Looking for an MPEG-2 Encoder like CCE and FFMPeg Questions

I did exactly what hank did and I still got lines in the video.

How are you seeing these lines? Are you playing the VOBs or the DVD? What player are you using? Can you try a different player? Post a GSpot screenshot of a finished DVD VOB so we can see if you're encoding the telecine into the DVD.

The weird thing is that Quenc does them perfectly and CCE and HCenc don't but most feel Quenc is inferior to them.

Don't be silly. I encoded it using CCE and both hank315 and FulciLives encoded it using HCEnc and no one has any "lines". If there's a problem, it's not with the encoders being used.

Originally Posted by manono

How are you seeing these lines? Are you playing the VOBs or the DVD? What player are you using? Can you try a different player? Post a GSpot screenshot of a finished DVD VOB so we can see if you're encoding the telecine into the DVD.

The weird thing is that Quenc does them perfectly and CCE and HCenc don't but most feel Quenc is inferior to them.

Don't be silly. I encoded it using CCE and both hank315 and FulciLives encoded it using HCEnc and no one has any "lines". If there's a problem, it's not with the encoders being used.

manono, I posted these pictures on the first page:

Pic1
Pic2

I am seeing the above in:
The rendered M2V file from HCenc and CCE in TMPGenc DVD Author 3
The rendered M2V file in Mplayer
The stand alone DVD player after burning them

I was not taking a shot at CCE and HCenc, as the latter is my encoder of choice and has been for the last 2 years. I was just wondering why Quenc is not rendering files with traits like in the picture. Furthermore, I have already stated (as well as you) that this is probably a problem with my CPU, even though I do not know what the exact problem is.

Below is the the GSpot picture of the rendered M2V file using HCenc. The settings were just like Hanks.

Just to get this thing over with, I am going to go ahead and use Quenc and get the files on DVD as it works. After that, I am going to tryout Fulci's method and after that, I am going to try to investigate further why my files are different from everyone elses and why I cannot load certain Plugins for Avisynth.







Edit: Does the GSPot reporting "Codec not installed" in the picture concern anybody or is that not a big deal?

The codec not installed doesn't mean anything. Mine says that also. That pic is fine, and shows you did everything exactly right. Would you like to upload a small sample of the finished VOB? 10 seconds with movement will be plenty. Open a VOB in DGIndex, use the [ and ] buttons to isolate a small section, and then File->Save Project and Demux Video. Upload the resulting M2V to that same place and give us the link. But I'll understand if you're sick of the whole thing.

I don't know the reason for the interlacing on the standalone, but NTSC DVD outputs interlaced 29.97fps, even if encoded as progressive 23.976fps. The 3:2 pulldown tells the player how to output the fields. I might understand that TDA sees the interlaced 29.97fps frames, but not the standalone having problems. When you open a VOB in GSpot, do you see the same 23.976 Pics/s, 29.97 Frames/s, and 59.94 Fields/s? That's what you're supposed to see.

i see everyone's already had a crack at this one,
but i'd decided I'd try too, early on this,
so I ran it through HC, using the lossless option.
loaded with:
directshowsource("mymovies.mp4").lanczos4resize(72 0,480)
with avisynth 2.58 rc1

worked perfectly. no crashes, great output.

directshowsource() is improved.
and there's the alternative of ffmpegsource()
i've recommended dgavdecode before,
and used it since it's very early alpha versions,
but no need to go into it when you're lazy

nicely detailed posts Fulci.

Originally Posted by Maikeru-sama

I am starting to think there is a problem with codecs or something as it appears it works for you and Hank but not for me. I did exactly what hank did and I still got lines in the video.

playback with what?
still waiting on a living moving sample.
a small sample though.

by the by,
you can cut samples of mp4 various ways.
possibly with even a crude binary cut being sufficient,
to using: avidemux, yamb, or quicktime.

also, ot
but with the problem you had with aac audio and unexpected channel configurration in ffmpeg,
you should be able to circumvent with mplayer and audio dump.

Originally Posted by FulciLives

I've created a decentralized DHT bit torrent that I am hoping will work 8)

i don't see how that would work.
trackerless, but you still need hosts. and only you have the file.
maybe i misunderstand.

Originally Posted by manono

I'm not 45tripp,

you got lucky this lifetime


tripp

Okay folks, I think I may have found something.

I was looking at the rendered M2V file from TMPGenc DVD Author 3 and in a stand alone DVD player after TMPGenc Author 3 made the DVD.

Now, manono told me to use DGIndex and I just downloaded it and I didn't see any lines. I opened up TMPGenc DVD Author 3 and compared them and former had no lines in some of the scenes and of corse TMPGEnc did.

Now, I have TMPGenc DVD Author 1.5, which is what I use a majority of the time (I just can't play AC3 audio) and as soon as I loaded the M2V file I got "The video frame rate is 23.976 fps and cannot be used on a stand alone dvd player".

Interesting because:
1) How was it loading in Version 3? I guess Version 3 converts the frames for you.
2) In HCenc, I chose the 3:2 Pulldown option, so I don't know why Version 1.5 would complain.

I am thinking that TMPGenc Version 3 automatically accepts non-standard files and forces them to be standard and that may be why I saw the output I saw both on the preview and the rendered DVD.

To quote Michael Corleone, "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in"

So now I need to find out why there is no pulldown being added to the file.

First, I really want to apologize to everyone for wasting your time on this issue. I learned alot from you all but my rookie mistakes wasted alot of folks time.

I was able to finally render a file in HCenc, place it on a DVD, using TMPGenc Author 1.5 (which I like better than 3 anyway) and it was perfect.

Second, below is what I think went wrong:
1) Installing AVI2ISO. For some reason, I could not load certain files into CCE and Quenc files were abnormally big while this was on my CPU. After I uninstalled it, the aforementioned problems went away. Don't want to get into a debate as that is what I saw. I also had to re-install CCCP and allow it to disable some of things that were turned on that can supposedly cause issues.

2) My biggest mistake was using TMPGenc DVD Author 3 to evaluate my rendered M2V files. I should have been using an outside source to view the files although I could have sworn I used Mplayer a few time. Also, as Fulci mentioned, I did not know that Version 3 would re-encode if a certain option was not checked and it deemed it necessary to do so.

Issues that I still need to investigate but will save for another day:
1) Not sure why I can't load the FFMpegSource DLL file. I know my code is correct in avisynth and it is in the folder, but it just won't load.

2) Not sure why CCE crashes constantly when I am encoding files like the sample everyone is familiar with. A poster by the name of Delta2 thinks maybe I have too many codecs enabled, but I really don't know which ones to disable. But thank GOD I found HCenc (and Quenc), which was the entire point of this thread in the first place, to have a backup plan in case CCE faulters.

3) Not sure why HCenc crashes when I use the "Lossless" option.

Fulci, I am still going to give your method a try, maybe tommorrow if I have some time at work. I didn't focus on it because I just really needed to focus on HCenc and CCE as those are the very foundation of my video encoding world and for those to not work, is just something I could not deal with, hence I spent the whole weekend trying to figure it out. Also, I have an entire VB.Net application I wrote when I started getting into this stuff that is devoted to batch and/or command line programs like HCenc, Quenc and CCE.

Fulci, with the "Do not adjust this track size", do I have to do that on every DVD I make in Version 3, or will it remember it everytime. I just went in and checked that but the lines were still there, maybe they will go away when it renders the DVD files. With TMPGenc Author 1.5, what you saw in the preview is always what you got on the DVD, without exception, that is why I put so much faith in Version 3's preview. The only reason I was using Version 3 was because Version 1.5 does not play AC3.

Again, I want to thank everyone. Now I can actually test my new form in my VB.Net application I wrote Friday for HCenc .

@Fulci, well I did burn about 4-5 DVDs and they were playing just like they did in the TMPGenc Author 3 preview. The first time I noticed the lines was when I had burned several of them to DVD on Friday and played them in a stand alone DVD.

Also, the odd thing is I have burned hundreds of MP4 with H264 Codec files to DVD but this is the first time I have had this issue, although CCE crashing is nothing new. As of now, from my experience, HCenc>CCE when it comes to this particular issue but that may be due to some Codecs issue.

Oh, I forgot, where is your torrent file, I will download it.

Edit: I still can't believe how fast HCenc is (although I am sure my new dual-core helps ). The results seem to be just as good as CCEs.

Originally Posted by Maikeru-sama

I should have been using an outside source to view the files although I could have sworn I used Mplayer a few time.

you didn't,
or if you did, it didn't flash.

you'll see i guessed early there was nothing wrong with the encode.
what i didn't guess is the insertion of shitty software in the chain.

it's also probable you're trying too many things at once.

Originally Posted by Maikeru-sama

1) Not sure why I can't load the FFMpegSource DLL file. I know my code is correct in avisynth and it is in the folder, but it just won't load.

forgot about this.
you mentioned a mpg subfolder?
there's no such subfolder in the latest version i have.
what are you using? and where are you getting it from?

Originally Posted by Maikeru-sama

2) Not sure why CCE crashes constantly when

3) Not sure why HCenc crashes when I use the "Lossless" option.

worth investigating.



tripp

Originally Posted by 45tripp

Originally Posted by Maikeru-sama

I should have been using an outside source to view the files although I could have sworn I used Mplayer a few time.

you didn't,
or if you did, it didn't flash.

you'll see i guessed early there was nothing wrong with the encode.
what i didn't guess is the insertion of shitty software in the chain.

it's also probable you're trying too many things at once.

Originally Posted by Maikeru-sama

1) Not sure why I can't load the FFMpegSource DLL file. I know my code is correct in avisynth and it is in the folder, but it just won't load.

forgot about this.
you mentioned a mpg subfolder?
there's no such subfolder in the latest version i have.
what are you using? and where are you getting it from?

Originally Posted by Maikeru-sama

2) Not sure why CCE crashes constantly when

3) Not sure why HCenc crashes when I use the "Lossless" option.

worth investigating.



tripp

@45Tripp, I got the FFMpegSource Files from the link that AlanHK posted in this thread on page 2:
http://avisynth.org/warpenterprises/

On that webpage, if you go down to FFMpegSource, there is a link:
http://avisynth.org/warpenterprises/files/ffmpegsource_20071006.zip

When you download that zip file, it will definately make an "mpg" folder, I just did it to make sure so as to not incur your wrath .

Also, CCE doesn't crash if I do one file at a time. It is only when I have 2 or greater files in at the same time that it crashes. You can res assure that a new thread by me will be coming real soon.

Edit: Here is the files from FFMpegSource:

Originally Posted by FulciLives

I hate to drag this thread on and on and on (chuckles) but just what the hell is this HCenc "Lossless" thing you guys have talked about? Is this something new to version 0.23 and what the hell is it?

I don't ever recall hearing of such an "option" before.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

I am a noob, but if you remember, I mentioned that when Hcenc was encoding the sample I uploaded, alot of times it would say, "mismatches found in source" or something like that. I thought maybe that was the reason for the lines in the output. Based on the tool tips on HCenc itself when you put the mouse over the "lossless" option, it states that it helps prevent mismatches found in the source. There is also a reload AVS file, which supposedly helps cut down on mismatches as well.

I am attempting to download your torrent now but I don't see any seeders. I am using Azureus..oh wait it is called vuze now .

Oh, as far as dragging this thread on, you are just doing your part to make sure it gets to 100 :P .

ffmpegsource
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=127037

that's old,
and you'd have to put the dll's in the path


HC 'lossless' option,
encodes to a lossless format on the first pass, and then uses the lossless file for input on pass 2.
aside from mismatches, and mainly,
it's also a speedup technique when using heavy avisynth filter chains.


tripp

Originally Posted by 45tripp

ffmpegsource
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=127037

that's old,
and you'd have to put the dll's in the path


HC 'lossless' option,
encodes to a lossless format on the first pass, and then uses the lossless file for input on pass 2.
aside from mismatches, and mainly,
it's also a speedup technique when using heavy avisynth filter chains.


tripp

What is the difference between DirectShowSource and FFMpegSource? Do you think it could fix my CCE problem? Regardless, I will try it out.

Okay, I lied. I have one final question, which will get me started on my trek to find out WTH is wrong with CCE.

Here is a print out of my codecs for FFDShow. I wanted to see if something seemed abnormal or maybe there is something I could try disabling to re-test CCE.

Originally Posted by hank315

Originally Posted by Maikeru-sama

3) Not sure why HCenc crashes when I use the "Lossless" option.

I'm interested in this, can you give some more info about the exact error message.

Hank, here is a screen print and INI:

Code:

*INFILE           c:\temp\mymovie.mp4.avs
*OUTFILE          C:\temp\mymovie.mp4.avs.m2v
*LOGFILE          C:\temp\mymovie.mp4.avs.log
*LLPATH           D:\Movies
*BITRATE          4000
*MAXBITRATE       8000
*FRAMES           0 33682
*PROFILE          best
*AUTOGOP          12
*AQ               1
*DC_PREC          10
*PROGRESSIVE
*LOSSLESS
*PULLDOWN
*MATRIX           mpeg

Also, I noticed that it said it was going to create a file that was 5.86 Gigs, which seems pretty large. However, the drive it is on is 100 Gigs, so that is not an issue.

Here is the error code. I tried to find the "4e10_appcompat.txt" on the Hard Drive, but I could not find it.






Edit: I forgot to mention, it crashes both when I set the Lossless file path and when I don't. Also, the AVS Reload feature seems to be working now, so that is no longer an issue. Also, I knew it was a long shot, but I turned off SpyBot to see if that was the issue and it wasn't.

Hi,
just checking if there any updates on this issue ? I got the exact same error today when trying the LOSSLESS option for the first time.

Only NTFS file systems can support file sizes greater than 4.7gig. I have never played with this option, so I cannot say whether or not HCencoder will segment files of this size or not. Is your data being saved to a FAT32 drive or an NTFS drive?