Will a better VCR help this Bending, Updated Not what I thou

I'm capturing a VHS to my DVD recorder and the TOP of the Picture is very distorted Like it is "BENDING" , I know its not MV or Over-Scan. Would a better VCR help this.? will try to get Screen Caps.

Thanks

Try another VCR, but if the video tape is a copy of another video tape, then you most likely will never be able to remove the scew on top of the video image. It comes from the error aligning the two video heads that are used to record/play the video signal from the helical scan of the VHS tape. Some TBC's can correct some of this scew, but only up to a certain point.

Thanks skittelsen. It's the original VHS, it dosent happen through the whole Tape just every few minutes,I will try another VCR.

Your bst bet is either a TBC or crop the top portion of the video that is "bending".

I think this is called "flagging" and is very common. Possibly fixed with TBC, Possibly with better VCR, possibly with nothing currently known.

Ok well here's a Screen cap of the Top of the Image. BUT wait..If I connect the VCR to the TV it will not do this,I found this out by trying to record another VHS and it did the same thing as the first,So I just connected the VCR to the TV and this "Bending" "Falgging" didnt happen.

Anyone have any Idea?

I'm not using a Capture card,It is a clean signal,before it hits the recorder

How about hooking up the recorder to the tv out?

I thought that's what happens when you store your cassettes laying down, rather on on their sides? You get ripples on the tape tops.

Are you sure its not a tracking thing?

Originally Posted by lordsmurf

Recorder is nothing more than an integrated capture card with a DVD burner. Same issue. The signal is absolutely NOT clean if it only look good on the tv. A tv set is far less demanding.

When you say capture card, I think you mean "Capture Card" Not "DVD Recorder",I know they capture.Not sure what you are saying. Capture card is a capture card,DVD recorder is a DVD recorder.

Originally Posted by sync

How about hooking up the recorder to the tv out?

Not sure I understand. what do you mean?

Even if I'm not Recording the Signal,just Playing the VHS through the DVD recorder it will do this Bending affect,Only when connected directly to the TV it will not do this. I have tried about 10 VHS Tapes,Some do it some dont,Some are Newer and some Older.

Skewing errors common on playing old tapes in machines that were not used to record the tape. TBC may help. I have a JVC SVHS deck with a built in video stabilizer, as well, most of my old tapes were made on the VHS SP speed, so I don't get as many errors. I have Beta tapes that are much older that don't exhibit skewing errors, but then, I'm playing those back on old top of the line (for their time) Beta decks...

Originally Posted by oldfart13

Skewing errors common on playing old tapes in machines that were not used to record the tape. TBC may help. I have a JVC SVHS deck with a built in video stabilizer, as well, most of my old tapes were made on the VHS SP speed, so I don't get as many errors. I have Beta tapes that are much older that don't exhibit skewing errors, but then, I'm playing those back on old top of the line (for their time) Beta decks...

Why would it happend,only when I try to record or Play though the DVD Recorder?

It Must be my Recorder,I just tried to Capture the same VHS With My "capture card" ATI AIW and it doesnt show this Skewing/Bending.

Depends on which AIW card and which recorder we are talking about. The AIW may have circuitry to compensate for skewing errors and the recorder doesn't...

The VHS should Play fine,when going through the DVD recorder straight to the TV,If not then there are 1000's of People that would think they have a bad VHS when really they dont.

Now I have tried VCR to VCR ,and It does not show this "Bending". What am I missing here? The "TAPE" plays fine when I bypass the DVD recorder. I have also tried another DVD Recorder and the same thing happens 'Bending".

Could it be false MV? Maybe your DVD recorder is reacting to the tape as if it has copy protection (even though you are sure it doesn't).

I have tried 2 hardware MV removers.Still the same thing.

I have a movie that does just this same 'flaging' effect. I hate it.
And, it was this way, when I bougth it first thing

That was from a commerial tape, and movie was (is) "Jeepers creepers".
It 'flags' at the top.

And, in all my capture cards and equipments, the only cap card that I
recall every not showing this was my ATI-TV Wonder (but that was long
ago, and I can't remember 100% for sure - so, think about salt)

And, my conclusion for the flaging on that tape was on account of the
MV (macrovision) signal embeded onto the tape. Some equipment handle
it better than others.
.
You have to think about two thing, in a two.1-fold scenario..

A - your equipment, (ie, VCR) and,
B - your capture card.
.1 - are your in-between devices (ie, TBC, etc)

And any and/or all combo of each other can make things either of
worse; the same; or better.

FWIW.., When I played that tape on my TV, for a long time, I said,
(and convensed myself) that played straight to TV is fine.. no flagging.
But, one day, after a careful analysis, I found that you could see this
flagging a the top of the tv screen. (you just have to *know* to look
for it there - you'll it)

This, I'm afraid, is on account of the MV embeded on the tape.
I have a VCR that is not MV anything. It will pass any MV w/out issue.
.
You have to understand that todays' VCR's are equipt with MV curcuitry,
and they activate accordingly, and also, there operation/performance
to MV vary from one brand VCR to another.. (which may account for some
VCR's passing his MV signal w/out issue, or w/ lessor issues, and combo
(above) and then some)

-vhelp 3238

Originally Posted by canadateck

Even if I'm not Recording the Signal,just Playing the VHS through the DVD recorder it will do this Bending affect,Only when connected directly to the TV it will not do this. I have tried about 10 VHS Tapes,Some do it some dont,Some are Newer and some Older.

Every TV has vertical and horizontal sync circuit. This frame is beeing output by VCR at the border of horizontal sync. Older TV's used to have knobs for vert. and horiz. sync adjustment. Not anymore, it's done automatically. Your TV can easily compensate for this error unlike your recorder. Reason: frame is shifted too much sideways one way or the other. You would need a picture stabilizer of some sort or simply your VCR head adjiústment. I believe that left roller controls top of the frame.
If I'm not mistaken Macrovision defeaters stabilize horizontal roll... Resident VCR experts could tell you everything about it.

I'll tell you one thing I know for sure,This is driving me Crazy. I have tried these Tapes on a 12" and a 27" TV,4 Different VCR's,2 different DVD recorders.

Heres the thing I dont Understand, If a 80$ TV could out-put this Tape the wayt it should be, a 700$ DVD recorder should record the same thing,---Minus noise and all that other stuff that comes with playing a old VHS ,Unless the Recorder has those fuctions.


Thanks for the help Guy's.

Not so, if the head needs to be in a non-standard position to play it properly then NONE, even most expensive VCR's won't play it correctly. As I said try external picture stabilizers, Sima SCC, Vidicraft, Macrovision defeaters etc etc. This is trial and error. Don't wonder why a TV can do it, every TV has a sync circuitry that stabilizes a picture like TBC (but works differenty, don't mix both).