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| kwebster posted 2006 Dec 30 19:29 | ||
| MicroCenter is pushing WinData DVD+R DL's for a bone ($1) apiece (10 for $10). Anyone had any experience with these things yet? Since they were only 10 bones, I went ahead and picked up a pack, but I'll tell you: I ain't expectin' much. I've never bothered to even look twice at their SL WinData offerings because I'm still smarting from that garbage they used to sell 3 or 4 years ago (what was the name of those disks? The SL ones that you could only buy at MicroCenter??). Anyway, I'm testing one now (one of the DL's) and will report my findings. | ||
| sc4300 posted 2007 Jan 09 18:16 | ||
| These DL disc by WinData is garbage.
Just bought them a week ago at Micro Center. 10 disc for $9.99 4 of them didn't work at all and I thought my DVD burner was broken. I continued to use the rest of the 6. They works GREAT on 1st layer till the second layer was burned. I now have 10 coasters sitting on my desk. Bought Verbatim DL disc yesterday and they work perfectly, so there is nothing wrong with my Sony DVD burner. | ||
| kwebster posted 2007 Jan 10 10:14 | ||
| Yeah, I agree. But I'm not at all surprised. Like I said, MicroCenter doesn't exactly have a stellar record with their own DVD media. I burned one of these discs and although the burning went flawlessly, the finished product was unwatchable from the very beginning. I knew this would be the case so I wasn't bent over spending the 10 bucks. Long live Verbatim!!
BTW, has anyone used the Fuji DL's? | ||
| zrdb posted 2007 Jan 10 20:43 | ||
| You know the old saying "You get what you pay for"-I got a 10 pack of these worthless coasters-only 2 out of 10 were successful burns-the rest went into the trash can-better to have spent 6 more bucks and gotten a 10 pack of Ridatas-never had any problems with those. | ||
| RKelly posted 2007 Jan 10 21:08 | ||
| WinData used to be called Platinum Series. | ||
| zrdb posted 2007 Jan 11 09:00 | ||
| They can call them any name they want-they're still garbage. | ||
| Capmaster posted 2007 Jan 11 10:16 | ||
| Verbatim +R DL are fairly good. They're more expensive ($2.40/ea.) but you won't have many coasters ;) | ||
| zrdb posted 2007 Jan 11 12:31 | ||
| I know-all that I ever use are Verbatims and Ridatas-aka Memorex-never had 1 coaster from these brands. I get my Verbatims for about $1.50 each-you're paying too much. | ||
| CrayonEater posted 2007 Jan 11 16:33 | ||
I used them few awhile a year ago. They code as Ritek D01. No problems burning or playing, though I haven't tested them in awhile. I burned on an NEC ND-3550a, FW 1.05. I still prefer Verbatims though. | ||
| zrdb posted 2007 Jan 11 19:25 | ||
| It's really funny how everyone says that they have problems with Ritek/Ridata-the very first dvd+dl media I ever burned were Memorex that were Ridatas and never one problem from any of the 50 or so I've burned since then. | ||
| Dr. DOS posted 2007 Jan 12 14:08 | ||
| Ditto on the Verbatim DL's. So far about 50 burns and 1 coaster (my fault) | ||
| zrdb posted 2007 Feb 17 22:35 | ||
| Interesting thing-the 1st 10 spindle pack of these things that I got were rated at 2.4X burn speed and they were all garbage-but I decided to give them one more try so I got another spindle of 10 rated at 8X burn speed and all 10 of them burned perfectly-they are identified as Ricoh media-same as the the 1st spindle rated at 2.4X-go figure? | ||
| dmagic1 posted 2007 Feb 20 16:19 | ||
| Ok, if we're going to blast the disc, lets at least name the make.
What are the 2.4x and 8x makes? Is there any indication on the package which are the 2.4 or 8x? UPC? Dates? Place Made? | ||
| zrdb posted 2007 Feb 20 17:13 | ||
| Did you read the whole post-I said they were idenfitied as Ricoh media? | ||
| dmagic1 posted 2007 Feb 23 18:59 | ||
| Ok I went and picked up two packs of the ones marked up to 8x.
I ended up with two different media IDs. RICOHJPN D01-002 --- Lot # 021206 RICOHJPN D01-067 --- Lot # 231206 The 002 I can't get to start or if they do start they never finish with out errors in two different burners. So far 4 coaster. The 067 are a little better but not much. They finish but unreadable. | ||
| zrdb posted 2007 Feb 25 17:24 | ||
| Like I said before-the first 10 pack yielded 2 successful burns and 8 coasters, the second 10 has given me 5 out of 5 so far-one thing that I've found is that NEC burners don't seem to have much if any trouble with these discs-all of the bad burns were done on my Samsung burner-I have a NEC sourced Maddog burner-no problemo. | ||
| Krispy Kritter posted 2007 Mar 09 10:27 | ||
| I've had good luck with Playo 2.4x DL media (1 coaster out of 10), but that doesn't mean I endorse or recommend them. If only 20% of the first spindle actually worked...I'm not rushing out to try them hoping I get a good spindle. | ||
| zrdb posted 2007 Mar 09 11:50 | ||
| I think that we're all trying to find good cheap dvd+dl media-I"m on my 2nd 10 of these 8X Windata discs and still not one bad burn yet out of the 15 that I've used-is it good karma or what? | ||
| SCDVD posted 2007 Mar 09 12:04 | ||
The biggest problem with Ritek is their variable quality. They are capable of making good media but they let the flaky stuff slide through. Careful QC costs money and disposing of bad or marginal media costs money too. I believe that is money that Ritek is reluctant to spend / throw away. The result is that one batch of media may be good and the next one bad. Verbatim is obviously more in tune with the importance of shipping consistently dependable media. I have heard that Ritek's DVD media doesn't have a stable dye formulation and that it tends to break down over time resulting in burns that seem OK this year but won't play next year because of dye deterioration. | ||
| zrdb posted 2007 Mar 09 13:10 | ||
| Aii that I can tell you is that the very first dl dvds that I burned 2 years ago were Memorex/Riteks and they still work perfectly and I've never had a bad burn with one yet. | ||
| [_chef_] posted 2007 Mar 10 03:30 | ||
| A look into the media database will easily reveal that only Verbatim DL is good media. | ||
| Birck posted 2008 Jun 25 14:24 | ||
| It is many moons later (June of '08), and Windata disks are still garbage. I bought them at MicroCenter months ago and had problems from the first attempt. Considering that the number of brick-and-mortar computer stores is decreasing, it seems counterintuitive for Micro Center to continue to sell these worthless coasters as DL disks. There are more DLs on the market now than a year ago; Sony and TDK now sell them, although 9 months ago that was not the case, at least not in the western hemisphere. Granted that the DL format seems to be trickier than less compressed formats, it's time for those producers who can't rise to the occasion to drop out or be pushed. | ||
| pepegot1 posted 2008 Jun 25 14:33 | ||
| Fuji DLs are good. I had no problems with a cake of twenty that I bought awhile ago. I mostly use Verbatim though. | ||
| zerman posted 2009 Jul 10 09:19 | ||
>>> You WRONG ! ... I burned almost 50 dvds Windata DL and all of one works perfect, but one thing... you must use 50% of rec. speed or 2.4x , NEVER 8x speed ! <<< | ||
| Noahtuck posted 2009 Jul 10 10:14 | ||
| WOW!!!
:shock: 2 one post wonders digging up an old post for some crappy media :roll: See how well they play or rip in a year or two :lol: :lol: | ||
| rr6966 posted 2009 Jul 10 12:07 | ||
| I've burned probably 60 of these at 6X, not one bad burn. I'm using a pioneer burner ( can't remember model 1 year old ). Now Ridata, I have to burn at 4x or less, if not I will have problems. | ||
| jman98 posted 2009 Jul 10 12:24 | ||
| Man, they are all coming out of the woodwork now.
Let us know in a couple of years if all these Ridata, WinData, and so on discs still work. We've had plenty of posts over the years from people who try to save money on bad quality media and they reported how in 1 year or less from the time of burn the disc was unplayable. | ||
| SCDVD posted 2009 Jul 10 12:39 | ||
| That's OK jman98. Let them learn the hard way - and they will. I suspect that zerman in the post above is a WinData shill. He posted just once and was VERY aggressive in his wording. The final tip off was his lousy grammar. I will give you one guess on where he is from. If anyone wants to believe a poster like that, go ahead - knock yourself out. | ||
| zerman posted 2009 Jul 10 15:06 | ||
| >SCDVD "shill" ? , what for ? I'm not "cheap media" salesman :)
BTW, I didn't pay attention to 2nd post date, so my fault, sorry... probably 2 years ago that was true (technology) I'd like just to say - sometimes cheap DVD, CD not equals garbage and vice versa... for example, 3 years ago I bought very expensive SONY DVD+R and actually is unreadable... anyway I prefer Verbatim too, but i'm using for important data only and excuse for my grammar if you're so shocked ;-) (how many languages do you know ?) have a good day gentlemen cya :) | ||
| tmacan posted 2009 Sep 19 15:48 | ||
| Actually, I have to agree with Zerman.. it's true that the Windata dvds are probably inferior to many other brands, especially Verbatim.. not much doubt about that, but I think it's a matter of knowing your expectations and using the appropriate tool for the job. I've had very acceptable results with the Windata dvds recently and, you have to admit, they're VERY inexpensive (I bought 20 for $12). As far as whether the dvds will be readable a year or two from now, well I think that's where knowing your expectations come in. I would certainly use Verbatim for anything I really was concerned with preserving, but there are also times when I know that the dvd I'm burning may not be important to me 6 months down the road. Ever backup to dvd? If you periodically do a full backup, then how important is the previous one? I'm sure you can think of other examples of when longevity isn't essential, and I'm hoping I'll be burning blue-rays in the not too distant future.. It's nice to have DL's for the capacity at a reasonable price. Again, I say it's all a matter of realistic expectations. I think you might find a niche where they could serve you well, and you might be pleasantly surprised at the results. I've had a few burn failures, but at less that a buck apiece, it's much easier to swallow.. but then again, everyone's entitled to their opinion, right? Just because someone may not agree with you doesn't mean that they're "working for the man". | ||
| lordsmurf posted 2009 Sep 19 18:53 | ||
| You guys are spinning the old "disappearing data" myth and incorporating that into even more faulty logic.
Discs do not just mysteriously go "unreadable" in 6 months. What almost always happens is the disc "burns fine" (not tested!) and 6 months later somebody finally gets around to watching/accessing it, and the data is corrupt. The piss-poor assumption is that the "data disappeared" instead of more logical conclusion that the disc burn was not "fine" at any point in time. In many more cases, the player/reader/burner used to read the disc is the true root of the problem. If half of the WinData discs don't burn well -- which is usually the case -- then your actual cost is 10 for $12, and for that price, you may as well have just bought the better Verbatim media. I'm so tired of the "disappearing data" bullshit. There's no science to back that up. Read some of the research from Verbatim, NIST, etc. It can happen, yes, but out of thousands of reported cases in the years, I have only been able to verify TWO of them as a disc actually having "gone bad". And in each case, it was a marginal quality Ritek (RITEKG04 DVD-R) disc that degraded just enough to become worthless. | ||
| tmacan posted 2009 Sep 20 12:33 | ||
| Thank you lordsmurf for your informed POV.. When I buy Verbatim I am usually only looking at inkjet printable media which is pretty expensive, so your post has prompted me to consider the cheaper, non-printable Verbatims as an alternative to Windata, thanks for that.. I wouldn't say that my fall-out rate with Windata is 50%, probably more like 15% or less, and for whatever reason I occasionally burn a bad Verbatim, so I still don't feel too bad about making the choice to use Windata for some things. About the "disappearing data" vs an original "bad burn", it's been my assumption that using verification (Nero 7) after the burn should guarantee that the data from disc was accurately burnt to the dvd. Isn't that true? My assumption has been that eventually "disappearing data" occurs due to poor optical quality of the media or perhaps problems with the dye. I don't claim to be an expert on burning (nor is it an ambition of mine to become one), so I appreciate hearing what anyone has to offer, although I'm a bit puzzled by why some evidently get agitated by the comments less-informed people may make. I'm always open to learning something new.. thanks! | ||
| lordsmurf posted 2009 Sep 20 19:16 | ||
| No, Nero verification is not at all reliable. It reports way too many false positives and false negatives. You would do just as well to flip a coin.
Your assumption is based on limited understanding of media, and no, it's not correct. What you say is so generic that you honestly didn't even say anything at all, you just drew a random conclusion that something "disappeared". Why get aggravated? Somebody else that doesn't know anything sees your post, assumes it's educated/knowledgeable info, and then they parrot it. Eventually so may people start to say it, that their false logic of "it must be true because enough people say it" starts to take hold. Stupid begats stupid, and somebody has to stand up to it. (Not that you're stupid, but those down the line often are.) If I sound mean in this post, know that it's not the case. :) |
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