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Why VIDEO_RM folder ? | ||||||
| cyflyer posted 2006 Apr 30 04:21 | ||||||
| Capturing from camcorder to dvd recorder, then editing with dvdShrink to computer. Some dvd's will rip ok, and have a normal VIDEO_TS folder, whilst others will not rip and have an additional VIDEO_RM folder as well as the VIDEO_TS. What gives ? Why do I sometimes get an additional VIDEO_RM folder when using same dvd-rw or dvd+rw discs, and sometimes not ? I searched the forum and many have the same problem, but have not seen any satisfactory answers. Why does this happen, and anything be done to recover the ones that have a VIDEO_RM folder ? or have I wasted a lot of time capturing them for nothing ? | ||||||
| RabidDog posted 2006 Apr 30 07:52 | ||||||
| http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=259410&highlight=videorm | ||||||
| cyflyer posted 2006 Apr 30 10:47 | ||||||
| Thanks Rabid, it talks of a UDF format (what on earth is that ???), but still no explanation of why this stupid VIDEO_RM folder comes up sometimes, and not being able to rip on the computer when it does. For further clarification, the discs are DVD+RW formatted in video mode. I'm wasting a couple of hours each time then finding I can't open in dvdShrink. It can play in computer other dvd player etc though. | ||||||
| cyflyer posted 2006 Apr 30 15:28 | ||||||
| Beginning to figure out that this a problem with DVD+RW discs and recorders. +RW seem to produce this -RM folder that makes the disc totally incompatible with editing on the computer, for whatever reason, whereas the -RW's do not produce this problem. Anyone agree ? | ||||||
| cyflyer posted 2006 May 01 06:10 | ||||||
| Figured it out, so I'll pass on the info as so many have had this problem.
1. DO NOT USE DVD+RW in recorders if you have any intention of sticking it in the computer or dvdShrink to do any editing. They produce this VIDEO_RM along with the VIDEO_TS folder which is totally incompatible with editing programmes, even if you try to rip only the VIDEO_TS folder. Stick with DVD-RW as they produce only the VIDEO_TS folder. 2. If you've been unlucky to record to +RW and are stuck, download TMPGEne DVDAuthor and filter the VIDEO_TS folder only, which makes it dvd compliant and can rip as normal. I did, and worked perfectly. | ||||||
| mr_ripley posted 2006 May 01 06:44 | ||||||
| Can I just get something clarified here? Are we talking only about recording DIRECTLY to a DVD+RW or dubbing from a DVD recorders' HD as well?
The reason I ask is that I use +RW's all the time to transfer to my PC and never a problem.....but I always record to the HD first and then dub to the +RW. | ||||||
| ChainsawDude posted 2006 May 01 08:29 | ||||||
| I believe the advice to avoid using DVD+RW to transfer video to a PC is bad advice
Some machines require you to finalise discs before importing to a PC (finalisation is usually done automaticaly with DVD+RW but some models do require a manual finalise stage and you did not say which model you have). This stage is sometimes called 'make compatible' in the set top's menus. I would add that I have recorded directly to DVD+RW on both my Lite-On 5045 and Phillips DVDR without going via the HDD literally hundreds of times. The resulting discs have both the VIDEO_TS and VIDEO_RM folders. I then import to my PC, sometimes simply doing a file copy of the VIDEO_TS folder to PC Hard disk, sometimes using TDA to import and edit. The resulting import has always worked successfully. I usually use dvd shrink only for copy protected DVDs but I tried it just now and it too was fine with my home produced DVD+RW. I understand the VIDEO_RM folder is to do with menus the set top adds and can be ignored when importing. | ||||||
| Chunking posted 2006 May 01 11:05 | ||||||
| You can import a video in VS9 from a disc. I do it all the time. I record stuff off tv onto a RW disc. Load into VS9 and edit commercials out and burn back to a DVD. So if your capturing from a camera I don’t see any difference. I do see both those folders when I load the video in vs9 but It doesn’t cause any problems. If it’s editing you want you should be able to do this in vs9. You can get your video off the disc and load into vs9 for editing. | ||||||
| TBoneit posted 2006 May 01 11:38 | ||||||
| I myself recorded +RW discs in my first DVD recorder and ripped them into the computer for editing and never had the problem you had, I'm thinking it may be something to do with your brand/model recorder. | ||||||
| cyflyer posted 2006 May 01 16:14 | ||||||
For all those "I record to +RW and edit with no problem", I really don't know what or how you are getting around it, but trust me, the problem is real. Just search "VIDEO_RM" in the recorders forum, or the web in general, and you will see dozens of people with exactly the same problem: "write to +RW on recorder, get VIDEO_RM folder, cannot edit in dvdShrink etc, not dvd compatable, tried copying only _TS folder still won't work, etc etc". Maybe it is certain brands that do it. My is a Sony 210.
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| SingSing posted 2006 May 01 16:29 | ||||||
| The folder and files is for DVD VR. Read http://www.burnworld.com/dvd/primer/dvdvr.htm | ||||||
| cyflyer posted 2006 May 01 16:47 | ||||||
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| MOVIEGEEK posted 2006 May 01 18:11 | ||||||
Universal Disk Format,DVD-VIDEO uses v1.02. As for DVD+VR:it is closer to DVD-VIDEO format than DVD-VR but it's best to finalize a disc before importing to your PC.Use DVDDecrypter(File Mode),DVDFab Decrypter or IsoBuster to rip if you still have problems. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format | ||||||
| ChainsawDude posted 2006 May 02 16:17 | ||||||
Yep, think so. If you recognise that the file format is independant of the type of disc and a DVD+RW disc is always written to using the +VR format, while a DVD-RW disc can use the +VR format but almost always has a -VR or DVD-Video format. The VIDEO_RM folder is a characteristic of the +VR format. | ||||||
| lordsmurf posted 2006 May 02 16:57 | ||||||
| Where do you folks come up with this stuff? :shock:
On a DVD+RW disc, the VIDEO_RM folder can be best comprehended as a temp folder for the recorder. You have no need to use it. Ignore it. At worst, it may cause troubles trying to ISO rip the disc. DVD+VR is a subset of DVD-Video. Do not confuse DVD+VR with DVD-VR. DVD+VR is used on virtually all RW Alliance machines (DVD+R and DVD+RW discs), which does little more than allow MP2 audio and specifies CVBR bitrate type. DVD-VR is non-DVD-Video, special use for editing, and can only be played back on similar recorders, and sometimes players that also support CVD/SVCD formats. The video can use bitrates and resolutions not supported on DVD-Video. The use of DVD-VR and DVD-RAM for video has been a silly notion from day 1, and should have never been implemented due to the confusion it causes and lack of playability in DVD-Video players. For all intents and purposes DVD+VR discs are just another DVD-Video disc. You can rip the VIDEO_TS folder data in IFO mode to edit. The creation of DVD+VR was to bridge a gap between "VIDEO MODE" (DVD-Video) and "VR MODE" (DVD-VR) found on DVD Forum recorders (DVD-R and DVD-RW media). However, this has largely failed because DVD+VR made discs have a tendency to corrupt themselves during the editing process (IFO damage). To further confuse, it is true that DVD+VR can be used on DVD-RW and DVD-R media, and that DVD-VR and DVD-Video can be used on DVD+R and DVD+RW media, but it's not something that happens very often. Usually confined to "multi format" types of machines from LiteOn and Sony. | ||||||
| SingSing posted 2006 May 03 12:22 | ||||||
| VIDEO_RM and VIDEO+VR does work. I recorded a few segments of TV on a +R/W disc, and edit a part out from two segements, with DVD recorder in+VR mode.
The disc plays fine on the DVD recorder and stand alone player, but not Old version of powerDVD. Most of the ripper focus on commerical DVD, they are not 100% of all DVD video format. But they are just folders and files, we always managed to make them bahave. | ||||||
| cyflyer posted 2006 May 04 20:47 | ||||||
LOL !!!
Its really a conspiracy to confuse everyone isn't it ? Unfortunately though you cannot just ignore the VIDEO_RM folder. Ignoring it, deleting it, whatever, the remaining VIDEO-TS folder is " not complient" for whatever reason. So its still just simpler to say, it you intend to edit via the computer don't use the +RW's. | ||||||
| MOVIEGEEK posted 2006 May 04 21:45 | ||||||
| Have you tried FixVTS?Drop the VIDEO_TS.VOB file and select Full DVD. | ||||||
| lordsmurf posted 2006 May 04 21:47 | ||||||
| Additional folders do not void compliancy. I often add "BONUS" and "SOURCE" and "ROM" folders to discs. Additions are still to-spec. | ||||||
| otpw1 posted 2006 May 04 22:41 | ||||||
I couldn't disagree more. If you have a choice, fine. I don't, and have adapted to fixvts and dvdshrink. Once it is processed by shrink, it is compliant. You can do anything you choose with it, after. | ||||||
| cyflyer posted 2006 May 04 23:09 | ||||||
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| lordsmurf posted 2006 May 04 23:21 | ||||||
| For starters, you need to quit "editing" with DVD Shrink. That is a transcoder software. It's not for editing video. That is probably a large part of your problem. The software was designed to look for already-authored discs, not something from a DVD recorder. | ||||||
| cyflyer posted 2006 May 04 23:34 | ||||||
| Its still a decent little program that so many have gotten used to. With its start frame-stop frame feature, you take the chunks of video to another compilation, which is exactly what I like. Whats wrong with that ? | ||||||
| CanuckGod posted 2006 May 04 23:41 | ||||||
| I've had mainly DVD+R(W) recorders, and have never had any of the problems mentioned.... then again, I never use DVD Shrink or TMPGEnc DVD Author directly on the discs (till now, always DVD+RW or +R - but my new dual format Magnavox (Funai) recorder records all -/+RW as DVD+VR.... I tend to rip each clip with DVD Decrypter, either to a single-file VOB, or if a widescreen movie that I want to convert to 16:9, then to separate M2V/AC3 streams. Only then will I edit each in TMPGEnc DVD Author; whatever might be the issue with +VR format (and all my discs have had VIDEO_RM folders, so I know this to be the case), I've never had one single problem with programs accepting the discs (only when the discs have been overused/scratched, but that's another matter). | ||||||
| CanuckGod posted 2006 May 04 23:46 | ||||||
Nothing, how you use it is your business, but you'll have to accept the fact it doesn't like VIDEO_RM. The author who wrote it figured people would be using it for backing up commercial DVDs, not 'editing' with software not designed for recorded video. | ||||||
| TBoneit posted 2006 May 05 10:31 | ||||||
No choice if it only burns + format discs. It is only recently that dual format recorders have hit the mainstream. My first recorder was a + only and my Pioneer 531h a more or less current model is - only. | ||||||
| otpw1 posted 2006 May 06 22:59 | ||||||
Exactly! I'm trying to destroy an ILO dvdr04 through use and it is proving to be tougher than most people would believe. | ||||||
| cyflyer posted 2006 May 07 00:57 | ||||||
| Ok ok, I didn't realise about the dual format thing being only recent, so I'll refrase something, " for those that have dual format, and have the choice, then its best to stick with DVD-RW". There. | ||||||
| SingSing posted 2006 May 07 01:25 | ||||||
Here, here. | ||||||
| sabbat34 posted 2006 Nov 11 16:14 | ||||||
| i have the exact same problem
i have an alba 1001 dvd+r/w standalone recorder. i am transferring vhs to dvd+rw with hope at looking to edit on the pc. I have much experience of editing using tsunami dvd author pro and rejig and dvd decrypter. but i cannot find a solution to copying the video files to the pc. i have the same disc attributes VIDEO_RM VIDEO_TS This is a very annoying problem - has anybody found a decent solution yet other than getting a capture card? Thanks in advance guys! | ||||||
| otpw1 posted 2006 Nov 11 18:57 | ||||||
Try fixvts then dvd shrink. The two will create compliant files, quickly. | ||||||
| politiken posted 2006 Dec 06 09:00 | ||||||
| What's the VIDEO_RM folder supposed to be good for?
The answer appears to be "it's a historical thing", pretty much the same as AUDIO_TS being unnecessary, except for the sake of reverse-compatibility with older/obsolete machines. It's a feature with the Philips recorders (and maybe other machines that creates the VIDEO_RM folder). Because they record, on the fly, changes in the Video Status signal (pin 8 in the SCART connector) must be known. This can then control video aspect (16:9 <-> 4:3) on a TV set when played back, but only when it is played on the recorder. (This feature is not possible following the DVD Video standard, so therefore it is an add-on.) A simple test burning three (3) titles to a DVD-RW disc showed this structure using PgcEdit (During loading in PgcEdit, the BOVs kept running through the VOB_01_x , as in circle (?) - I had to finally abort the BOV function.) 
8 titles are listed - the 3 titles are listed twice and 2 dummy titles (title 4+8). The only difference between Title 1 and Title 5 is in the pre-commands: Title 1: 2 Set gprm(4) = (mov) 1 Title 5: 2 Set gprm(4) = (mov) 129 (i.e. adding 128 to the value stored in register 4) (The 3 titles are small TV recordings burned on my Philips DVDR3450H recorder.) DVDShrink 3.2.0.15 (the latest version) is strictly applying to the DVD format standard and will therefor have problems parsing the DVD structure - at best showing only the last title (and list it twice - here in this test title 3). Title 1 is identical to Title 5, Title 2 is identical to Title 6, Title 3 is identical to Title 7 and Title 4 is identical to Title 8 - but the titles 5,6,7,8 are all empty. Is this the reason why DVDShrink fails ? Using FixVTS and/or using IfoEdits "VOB Extras / Create new IFOs" on the VTS_01_0.ifo appears to solve the problem, and it will do this in-place (changing the actual files without creating any backups). It worked on my above test DVD disc - The main menu was split into two parts and only moving the cursor below the button gave me access to an otherwise hidden button, which in turn gave me the possibility to move down one page and there I found the original menu. Title 2 was the "Main Movie", and title 1 and 3 was "Extras" - Th dummy title 4 was the first second of title 1 (maybe this is the title used to change the mode, i.e from 16:9<->4:3). The TV should be able to change mode during 1 sec. The older version DVDShrink 2.3, will read the recorded dvd's without any problems I read somewhere, but I haven't tested thoroughly. regards Pol | ||||||
| SingSing posted 2006 Dec 06 11:06 | ||||||
Thank you for confirming that! | ||||||
| jman98 posted 2006 Dec 06 12:57 | ||||||
| The short version from another forum (I got curious so I looked it up and by the way - does NOBODY think of doing a search via Google or Yahoo? It was really easy to find this.):
VIDEO_RM is a folder used by certain DVD recorders. In theory, it is supposed to be ignored by other DVD players. The problem is that the discs produced by recorders that use this don't really conform to DVD standards and THAT is the real problem here. The other forum didn't specify what the deviation was. The problem is NOT the VIDEO_RM directory, but that recorders that create it do some other stuff that's not nice. Here's the solution: > > Others may have an easier route, but you you could use DVD Decrypter in File > > mode, and with the resulting VOBs re-author back to DVD Video to remove all > > the bad file formatting introduced by the set-top recorder. > Thanks, Philip! I fixed the VOBs with IfoEdit and that seems to have > cleared up the problem. If you rip the DVD in file mode, it will drop the VIDEO_RM directory and hopefully fix whatever is wrong with the DVD. Sounds like a good argument to me against buying Philips and LiteOn recorders. | ||||||
| cyflyer posted 2006 Dec 06 13:16 | ||||||
| Ahh sabbat sabbat sabbat,.......... did you not read the previous posts ? Use a dvd-rw instead of a +rw and you will find the problem will go away. Its simple. Try it and tell us the result. | ||||||
| politiken posted 2006 Dec 06 15:03 | ||||||
It appear to me you missed what it is all about. It has nothing to do with the folder being present or the fact that some applications cannot parse the IFOs/VOBs - It is actually quite a smart move, using the VIDEO_RM folder - because a) it takes practically no space on the disc b) the disc will play in all DVD players without any problems c) it will make sure that the recordings will play correctly (i.e. as recorded) when played back on the recorder itself - which is precisely what you would expect and want Remember that the output comes from a recorder connected to your TV signal. You want to see what you have recorded, as if you were watching live on your TV set. If you record a TV News show, part of the show could be in 16:9 and other parts in 4:3. Your TV set will adjust itself (given the correct commands within the signal) and swith mode (back and forth) so you will see everything in the correct aspect ratio, and you will not take any notice. But your recorder is placed before your TV set and cannot change mode while recording, because the DVD format only allowes titles in 16:9 or titles in 4:3, and the recorder saves, on the fly, in the DVD format. Only when shifting PGCs you can change the mode - but this cannot be done seamlessly. Alas, you will have the best of worlds - except when you want to edit the recording, not using the recorder itself, but using a PC author application like DVD Shrink instead. The DVD format goes back to 1978 if I remember correctly - and the world has moved on. DVDShrink is now "Nero Digital / Nero Recode" and using this applications "Make /Edit Video-VR" (or what ever) will work without any problems - with or without the presence of the VIDEO_RM folder or whether the disc type is -R/+R/-RW/+RW Its all about switching back and forth between 16:9 and 4:3 (during an ongoing recording session). An interesting question is: will a DVD with VIDEO_RM folder, play as recorded on any recorder or player that make use of the VIDEO_RM folder ? If so, we should definitely keep the folder on the disc. regards Pol | ||||||
| Levi posted 2006 Dec 13 11:03 | ||||||
| Hi all:
I just recently bought a LiteOn DD-A100GX. Here's what I discovered. I will be returning it. My intent was to convert my old 8mm Sony Handycam cassettes to DVD. I don't have a DV camcorder, just my old Sony Hi8 with no RF output. This thread was the only thing that prevented dropped frames. This above solution worked to remove the VIDEO_RM but lost many seconds and so was not a good solution to me. Besides that, what's up with the "Data error (CRC)" when just DOS copying the files after having captured via the RCA inputs. "Finalizing" isn't required per the manual on a DVD+RW rewritable disk. I DID have the ghosting issue mentioned in the above URL if I used the Antenna Passthrough RF port on the back so I didn't use it. I followed the "Connect Cable Converter/Satellite Receiver" diagram that came with the instructions and did not have any "ghosting" issues. NOw, I don't get a "Data error (CRC)" error on DOS copying when captured via the RF plug. I haven't tried the DVD-RW approach, but the solution might be not to use the RCA ports if you can. So I might buy a single DVD-RW can keep reusing that to move to the PC for further editing if needed and to use up all of my RVD+R disks. Nah, I am taking this puppy back to the store. "Made in China" hmm??? I wonder where the software was made. I agree with BeardedKirklander ... the software interface was cool. Regards, Matthew | ||||||
| pagey179 posted 2006 Dec 19 05:56 | ||||||
| I bought a Lite-on DD-A100X several months ago - now I wish I had returned it since it had the same incompatability problems mentioned throughout this post. I'm actually thinking about buying another DVD recorder and selling this one!
I went through the painful 'coaster' production cycle trying to get DVD's that would play in my other DVD players without any success. I posted on several forums to try and get an answer to this problem without any success. Having now read this post I'll try DVD-RW (about the only option I haven't tried yet!!!) and failing this FixVTS, IFO EDit and/or DVD Decrypter. - hopefully this will solve my problems. My No.1 rule from now on.....don't buy LITE-ON! | ||||||
| RabidDog posted 2006 Dec 22 20:48 | ||||||
Wow ..
AFAIK the video-rm folder can be ignored in dvd editing software (TDA), and the discs are able to be read in some but not all dvd drives (my reader will, my writer wont, and both are NEC) Burglars ! time to get the red suits and white beards out! | ||||||
| jimmyinaustin posted 2006 Dec 26 00:34 | ||||||
| What program do you suggest using to covert those TS files to AVI or something similar, so that I can upload the videos to Google Video? | ||||||
| DLambert posted 2008 May 07 16:29 | ||||||
| I read everything I could regarding the VIDEO_RM folder. When the DVD had a VIDEO_RM folder, it couldn't be imported / played with:
Windows Media Player Windows Media Center ULEAD VideoStudio 9 Eventually, I discovered that if I recorded with a DVD+R disc, it recored a VIDEO_RM folder. If I record with a DVD-R disc, it doesn't record a VIDEO_RM folder. And, this DVD-R disc imports / plays just fine with: Windows Media Player Windows Media Center ULEAD VideoStudio 9 (and 11) Being able to import into ULEAD VideoStudio was my original objective. Why I ever used DVD+R discs I don't know. Make sure your recorder is capable of recording to DVD-R, and if so, try that. | ||||||
| jmdajr posted 2008 May 15 13:52 | ||||||
You are 100% correct. I just found out this today. |
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