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| Supreme2k posted 2009 May 25 20:33 | ||||||||
| From the looks of it, the only active mods right now are redwudz, mats and yoda313, with Satstorm being a semi-regular. Most of the other mods have been gone for a year or more.
It just seems odd that these people are still mods. Most of them can't really be considered members of this board. There are people who have "quit" who frequent these boards more often. Maybe it's time to revoke most of these mod titles, at the very least to keep people from sending questions to absentee mods who will never answer them. Here's the mod list, with their last visited dates:
I often wondered why so much junk was getting through to these boards lately, and it seems that the problem is that redwudz is pretty much the only truly active mod. I don't really have a solution, other than to get more mods (who may or may not stick around). I am also not suggesting that I am up for the job. I am too meticulous with message boards. I would be way too ban-heavy here. I guess another suggestion is for the other 'active" mods to pick up the pace and help redwudz out. I understand that it's a non-paying, (at times) difficult task, but I know that most people here really appreciate it when the job is done well, which it how generally has been done. | ||||||||
| freebird73717 posted 2009 May 25 21:22 | ||||||||
| Hey if there is a mod position open I'll do it. I'm online a good portion of the day anyway. | ||||||||
| lordsmurf posted 2009 May 25 22:31 | ||||||||
| I vote for bird. :thumbs_up: | ||||||||
| minidv2dvd posted 2009 May 25 22:53 | ||||||||
| did king baldrick call the round table for a vote :?: | ||||||||
| Supreme2k posted 2009 May 25 23:17 | ||||||||
| I was trying to elicit dialog about the situation. Maybe we can do the whole nominate and vote thing if or when such a thing comes about.
Just wanted to bring this to everybody's attention. I found it odd how quiet it was from the mod front, especially with redwudz looking busier than (insert proper colloquialism here). | ||||||||
| guns1inger posted 2009 May 25 23:21 | ||||||||
| This is a grass roots movement, by the people, for the people. Revolution, my brothers.
@Supreme2k : you might be careful what you wish for. While I sympathise greatly with your attempts to call attention to less fortunately intellectually endowed amongst us, I can't help but think that a year ago many of your recent posts wouldn't have lasted as long as some of them did, and you would have had your wrist slapped several times as a result. | ||||||||
| minidv2dvd posted 2009 May 25 23:22 | ||||||||
| sorry s2k it was a only meant as a lighthearted joke.
they seem to be doing fine from what i've seen. most spam/crap gets deleted/banned quickly enough that most people miss it entirely. | ||||||||
| edDV posted 2009 May 25 23:29 | ||||||||
| No revolutionary would want to be a Mod. Got to be one or the other. | ||||||||
| Supreme2k posted 2009 May 25 23:46 | ||||||||
Ah, but then there's a catch-22: would the posts about which I complained have stayed (more than) a year ago? I think that you're exaggerating about my posts. ...or wishful thinking :devil: Seriously though, in some of those threads, I linked to threads from a couple years back that were much worse* than my so-called "bad" ones, yet literally nothing was done to the offending parties. I try to keep it civil, much more than in my "bad boy" days. Though, like lordsmurf, I tend not to mince words or coddle people. *Not that my threads are even bad | ||||||||
| gll99 posted 2009 May 26 01:45 | ||||||||
| Over the past year or so, I've reported dead tool links, spam, multiple same topic threads and other stuff and they've mostly been acted on very quickly. Those that weren't were probably put on the mod watch list to see where they would lead. It doesn't bother me one bit if the mods choose to wait out a thread to see where it goes before acting on it. If only a few mods are active then they've sure been doing their job.
Personally, there were a few "leading nowhere, sh!t disturber" threads I wouldn't have tolerated for so long but it wasn't my call. Knowing what has happened to a few moderators in the past, some may be extra tolerant not wanting to appear to be heavy handed. It's a shame that over the years it's often not the newbie but it's the "frequent flyer" who perhaps out of a sense of entitlement, makes the mods' job harder by polluting threads with off topic, aggressive and often rude comments, frequently stirring up controversy thereby causing general unrest, inciting others (a few junior Wannabes) to unduly criticize fellow members for their slightest failings, prompting some to withhold their participation or questions out of fear of being ridiculed, agitating some to the point of even causing them to abandon the site altogether out of frustration and then finally either he himself leaves or goes too far and gets banned. Since they can't see everything, IMO, the "report this post" feature is the best way we can help the remaining mods by pointing to problem/suspect posts. @Supreme2k You do bring up an important point. If the current/active mod list is out of date that could cause problems when trying to report something to a mod privately via pm as we are instructed to do so in the "rules". As to the rest, I guess that's in Baldrick's hands. | ||||||||
| Baldrick posted 2009 May 26 01:52 | ||||||||
| I have removed the non active moderators from the super moderator list.
And yes it's probably time for a new moderator or two. | ||||||||
| fritzi93 posted 2009 May 26 05:54 | ||||||||
| It's not like the modding isn't getting done. Redwudz and Yoda do a fine job, IMO. And it's good to see Satstorm more active lately.
But if it's a question of them getting some help (and it does seem they're the most active Mods), then yeah, I would like to see Freebird become a Mod. :) | ||||||||
| gadgetguy posted 2009 May 26 07:23 | ||||||||
| In my opinion, nobody should PM a mod to report perceived violations. That should all be handled through the Report this Post function. PMs should be reserved for personal exchange and clarification of a ruling.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think the mods here do an excellent job. The fact that so many mods could go inactive and it takes month/years to be noticed speaks highly of the remaining mods and the forum in general. Too bad so many went inactive without having the courtesy of notifying Baldrick. | ||||||||
| Seeker47 posted 2009 May 26 12:51 | ||||||||
I don't know where you happen to travel online, or what you are comparing with what, but I'd have to rank VH as being in the upper 25-percentile, when it comes to the helpfulness and civility of the vast, vast majority of posts. And that's quite good. Yes, there are many topic / support boards that hew more strictly to the straight and narrow course, not tolerating much in the way of "flavor" or personal expression that might rile someone. But I don't necessarily regard that as an automatic virtue. And I can tell you that there are quite a few sites that seem to be populated by dim and vicious adolescents (or those operating at that level), where newcomers are mainly viewed as being useful for target practice. Good mods (like Redwudz) are good to have. In any case, we're well ahead of the curve here though, I'd say. | ||||||||
| Supreme2k posted 2009 May 26 13:45 | ||||||||
I understand from where you are coming, and blatant attacks do make the mods' job difficult. On the other side of the coin "shit stirring" may be in the eye of the beholder. To some, merely saying "Do a search. That question has been answered many times." may seem harsh, though it is not the slightest. Is that not helping? Or when a first-timer comes to Videohelp asking about finding someone's IP address and is told to look elsewhere. It may actually be odd or even funny to some that a person would do that. Also, there's a big difference between "criticizing fellow members for their slightest failings" and (for example) someone who has been here literally eight years and still doesn't use search or know how to burn a disc. While I agree that "entitlement" is often a problem, it goes both ways. A newb who fails to read the rules (any of them), can't phrase his question correctly ("I need help" doesn't cut it), or acts like a jerk because it was pointed out that his methods are flawed, is not entitled to anything. The old saying that's been quoted a few times here is "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." Often times, here, the saying changes to "...teach a man to fish and he'll come back in 10 minutes, say that it's too hard to even try, and demand that you do it for him. Then he'll say that he solved it on his own, most likely using the method that was first suggested to him."
Exactly, but I was specifically citing questions. If another member told a newbie not to cross-post (which is a simple solution), the newb may seek clarification, click on the super moderators link and pick the first guy on the list (or one of them). Chances are (before Baldrick's purge), they wouldn't get an answer. | ||||||||
| redwudz posted 2009 May 26 14:19 | ||||||||
| I don't get many PMs about Mod stuff. Not really a problem.
The other Mods did inform us that they would be unable to spend much time here. Several are profession people that relocated or changed jobs and some were students at university with a short time to graduation and very heavy class loads. (Pre-med in one case, then internship.) But Baldrick still spends a lot of time in the Mod forum, from which he could probably do with some relief. :) | ||||||||
| gadgetguy posted 2009 May 26 14:57 | ||||||||
It was an assumption on my end based on them still being mods, but not posting in such a long time. You'd think I'd know better by now. Far be it from me to question the Baldrick's ways. Be they mysterious or misunderstood, the Baldrick is always right. :wow: | ||||||||
| fritzi93 posted 2009 May 26 15:59 | ||||||||
Oh brother. :kiss: :hmmm: :P | ||||||||
| Number Six posted 2009 May 26 16:50 | ||||||||
I KNEW somebody would go there. | ||||||||
| fritzi93 posted 2009 May 26 20:19 | ||||||||
Just kidding. I know irony when I read (or hear) it. :P | ||||||||
| Number Six posted 2009 May 26 20:22 | ||||||||
| I know that you were only kidding fritzi :wink: | ||||||||
| Supreme2k posted 2009 May 26 20:56 | ||||||||
| If he wasn't kidding, he would have used this one
:hump: | ||||||||
| Seeker47 posted 2009 May 27 12:53 | ||||||||
While I can agree that it is reasonable (in many cases) to expect someone to make the effort to at least try some Forum Topic searching before posting a query, it is a big mistake to regard searching as any kind of panacea. On numerous occasions, I have searched for something I absolutely knew was there -- because I recalled the prior thread, or may even have posted in it myself -- and yet come up with zilch. This, despite searching with various most likely keywords, different authors' names, etc. (The next time this happens, I'll be glad to document it for you, if you doubt it . . . .) Orsetto has previously pointed out how unreliable the internal search at eBay is. The forum software used here at VH may be better for searches than what eBay has (though with their incalculably greater volume of things to search through, I wouldn't hazard a guess), but not tremendously better. And anyone who does a lot of it can tell you there is definitely an art (and maybe a bit of luck) to coming up with the right 3 or 4 keywords or phrases in order to hit your desired target in a Google search, without having to plow through 40 pages of non-relevant hits. | ||||||||
| Supreme2k posted 2009 May 27 14:41 | ||||||||
I agree, but let me amend my statement to fit with that. The search box is not a cure-all, but searching is exactly that. "Searching" is not just Google or a blank box. It is also looking at stickies, taking a quick glance to the left, or skimming through a section or two. The problem is twofold: people are lazy and impatient. Ironically, they will spend more time asking the question and waiting for a response than if they went directly to the solution contained in Tools ("What program do I need to burn a DVD?" Tools-->Burn) or other areas ("What capture card does *this certain thing*?") | ||||||||
| Bodyslide posted 2009 May 27 15:57 | ||||||||
| Maybe Make a Poll of who should be added as a Mod....Hell I can even toss my hat in for a Mod Position..... | ||||||||
| SatStorm posted 2009 May 27 17:18 | ||||||||
| The way I see it, the forum is not overall active as it used to be. I done that observation myself few months ago in the mod subforum. It is not only the mods that missing. Many members also do, and many new members afraid to talk. The "welcome committee" which some -older- members organized here, turned the place very difficult for the young ages, especially when they have expression difficulties and total unawareness of the laws. Don't mention the non native-english users.
Overall, we don't have many motives the last couple of years to discuss regarding our hobby. In the matter of fact, because we play here too much with the rules (and many rised a new hobby for themselfs, "hunting" bad users that is...), we are in a point that half of the things we could talk freely a few years back, now are considered illegal. For the majority, that situation is a dead end and there is no way back. Regarding me, I'm always around but I do background job. Better that way, and less tension. I visit the place daily, and it's easy to find me with a P.M. I prefer doing this, than being in some silly fight, because of the traps some users set up to the rest members -or even me- just for their fun. I don't have a compatible taste of humor, so I don't play their game. The forum "looses" me as a side effect, but at least, I manage to be here after all those years and doing what I wish to do here the first place: Helping others, not messing with them... We may need a couple of new mods around. But what we really need, if you ask me, is to see some members grow up and move on doing their "fun" elsewhere. But this is another subject, for another topic. | ||||||||
| Bodyslide posted 2009 May 27 17:27 | ||||||||
| I like the idea of the Stealth Mod, Satstorm......Sweet | ||||||||
| Supreme2k posted 2009 May 27 18:09 | ||||||||
Can you elaborate on that? What exactly is illegal now that wasn't a few years back? All of the same types of topics are still around, only adjusted for new technologies. Your whole post shows a problem in itself. You are very prone to take this "job" personally. Just the phrase "because of the traps some users set up" screams volumes about it. As a mod, adam also had this problem, often heavily implying "My word is law! I'm a lawyer!" He is much better as a "regular" now. Even though this board is primarily in English, it would be preposterous to think that it is exclusive to native speakers. I often find myself on Russian boards for video and animation, so I know how it feels to be misunderstood. That is why I often ask if English is their native language. I try to find out whether there is a language barrier, or if it's simply some lazy person using texting-speak or (intentionally) horrible grammar. You are in breach of the forum rules and are being issued with a formal warning. / Moderator SatStorm | ||||||||
| Dv8ted2 posted 2009 May 27 18:25 | ||||||||
You mention speech and I have seen you mention it before. I do not think it is much of an issue. You are typing characters on a screen. As long as people can generally follow what you typed, that is all that matters. Try not to let it bother you. | ||||||||
| SatStorm posted 2009 May 27 18:31 | ||||||||
| I've been understood by those who wish to understand. The rest can keep setting traps and games. I won't play. | ||||||||
| usually_quiet posted 2009 May 27 18:57 | ||||||||
| I think some members actually are accessing this website using a cell phone or pda, and as much as I dislike having to read it sometimes, we don't have a rule forbidding text message shorthand. | ||||||||
| Supreme2k posted 2009 May 27 19:09 | ||||||||
| No one said that we do, but if you're going to type garbage, you're going to get a garbage response. | ||||||||
| gll99 posted 2009 May 27 21:11 | ||||||||
I would gladly comment more on these points but it would be OT and it wouldn't advance your topic "Where are the Moderators". Some might use it as an opportunity to get into a p!$$!ng contest which SatStorm (at least based on his statement here) wisely tries to avoid. Just a thought: a one dimensional mod qualification test. :) Do you think any rules were broken here? Supreme2k wrote
The moderator kindly answers your question about his whereabouts, activities and provides a personal explanation which most might not do. Question: Is it appreciated or is he publicly challenged and analyzed? Supreme2k wrote
Anything wrong with this? As an experienced member here, "Do a search" about which rules might apply and then try to render an impartial decision. Since I can't really answer your question "Where are the Moderators", I'll bow out and I'm sorry, (I should get my knuckles rapped for getting involved :wink: ) I didn't want to pollute your thread but in fairness it was hard to let those statements pass without comment. | ||||||||
| Supreme2k posted 2009 May 27 22:09 | ||||||||
| As I hinted at with adam, even the mods are not "above the law".
The other mod in question was not "kindly" doing anything but taking shots at certain members and posts, while being just vague enough to seem..."kindly". gl99, I don't believe that I've ever had a problem with you (or any interaction, for that matter), but "in all fairness", you polluted this thread with your first post. You may have stuck the word "mod" in there, but we know about whom you were talking. Maybe ghost was a friend of yours, but someone imploding and getting himself banned by threatening several members dug their own grave. You are in breach of the forum rules and are being issued with a formal warning. / Moderator SatStorm | ||||||||
| gll99 posted 2009 May 27 23:24 | ||||||||
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| Supreme2k posted 2009 May 27 23:40 | ||||||||
| Again, I don't know from where this animosity comes, but it's duly noted.
That "rule" seems to be outdated, which is why I did not cite it (though I knew that you would, eventually). There have been a few times where even mods went after each other in plain sight. Even so, that rule doesn't apply. I was responding to his post (which was, to me, inflammatory), not "comment(ing) or complaint they wish to make about a Mod's decision or conduct" adam is no longer a mod, so he's fair game :P You are in breach of the forum rules and are being issued with a formal warning. / Moderator SatStorm | ||||||||
| lordsmurf posted 2009 May 28 00:00 | ||||||||
| This site has an odd membership too, unlike other sites, and I don't get why it is the way it is. Let me explain...
On most forums, if you talked back to a mod, he'd tell you to go fuck yourself, the thread would be locked, and that would end the argument. That person might find himself/herself banned for a few days or weeks -- "quiet time" -- and then a repeat offense within a short span of time (say within 1-2 months) would earn a bye-bye-forever badge. For it to even come to this is unusual, most people know to not argue with mods/admins, they are guests in their virtual house. The issue would never again be spoken of. Here, on this site, members not only feel free to talk back, but some feel they are entitled to be mouthy bastards. Some folks even register with no more agenda than to argue with a mod. What the hell is that all about? To go on further, some members expect mods to be a cross between a virtual Jesus and some sort of always-nice opinion-less automaton. That's just not realistic in any way. Moderators are volunteering their own free time to help a site for quite honestly nothing in return -- and then they have to deal with this BS? Can you blame them for leaving? I've seen this happen to pretty much every mod here these past 3-4 years -- especially ones of the "missing" list. Consider that most mods really want to just help with stickies, moving posts, polls and anti-spam duties --- dealing with assholes isn't what they signed up for. | ||||||||
| Supreme2k posted 2009 May 28 00:18 | ||||||||
| To add to that...
though it has been suggested, it is not usually long-time members who instigate battles with the mods or anyone else. It is usually newcomers who are too lazy to read the rules or don't care, regardless. Most often, it is the "regulars" who admonish the newbs for talking back to a mod. I can't even count how many times I've had to simply bring it to someone's attention that they were in fact talking shi-, er, back to a mod. To rebut(?) one of ls's points, if the mods are to be treated as "only human", some of them need to realize that the same can be said for regular members (on second thought, most of the "some of them" are gone already). Also, there is a difference between arguing with a mod about the rules ("Screw you! Like you never pirated movies!") and arguing with them when they are participating in a thread ("TY is better than Memorex." "No it isn't! BAN!") I knew a guy who exemplified that last part. He was a CHP officer. When he came to hang out while off duty, he would often make remarks about what he could do to you when you disagreed with him on completely legal matters. It is what eventually got him dumped from the force (unable to get a law enforcement job in CA).
It's creepy how much that has been happening lately :o | ||||||||
| gll99 posted 2009 May 28 01:39 | ||||||||
Supreme2k wrote
There is no animosity that I'm aware of. I don't know what you read into it, but just so there is no misunderstanding, my original comments encompassed precedents repeated a few times over the last few years and were not specifically directed at any current member or action in particular. If and when I decide to call someone out there will be no ambiguity. As far as "we all know whom you are talking about", is that the royal we? You must have someone or some situation in mind of which I'm not even aware nor interested.
ghost? Again you dredge up a name. Anything related to that situation is extremely vague and frankly none of my business or concern. If you knew of certain past situations then you would see that my initial comments were in scope with ("Where are the mods"), accurate, reasonable and broad enough as to not point to anyone in particular (let the reader use discernment). It's true that my comments about the rules were a direct response to you. The parties in question are big boys and need no one to defend them. They'll speak up if they so choose. Obviously I was making the simple point that the measuring stick applies to all of us, but it was mild and rather inoffensive. I think we can agree on that can't we? Now this is weird. Why do you feel the need to "duly note" the offense? :lol: From my viewpoint, I simply accept that the unless revised by Baldrick, (with some moderator discretion where we take the risks if we transgress) the rules are as written. In other words just because someone doesn't get carded or banned for say, arguing with a moderator in a public forum, it doesn't mean the rule is invalid. It only means the moderator is thick skinned (very tolerant) about it and may even consider the value of the source (member) to the site. but it doesn't mean that there's always going to be a pass. Personally I'd give a private warning to a "senior" member who publicly challenges a moderator on site governance related matters, edit or remove the offending post and any future transgression would merit a yellow. Any more than that would become an outright ban. Why should anyone feel the rules no longer apply based on the last update date? Clarification can be obtained via pm. After all, as was said, interpretation about the AUP rests with the Administration. Showing respect to other members of various age, abilities and knowledge, applying the rules to ourselves first and reporting suspect spammers, multiple thread starters etc. via the "report this post" tag makes it easier for the administration to concentrate on other site duties. In some cases that could help explain the original question you asked in the tag line. There's no reason for upset over a differing viewpoint. As far as I'm concerned there is no more to it than that but you're free to see it otherwise. | ||||||||
| Supreme2k posted 2009 May 28 02:43 | ||||||||
| Come now, are you saying that your pointing out my comments regarding a mod's post, then posting a rule that doesn't even apply isn't just a little antagonistic? Or at least appears so?
The rest of your post does not apply, as I said before, because I was addressing a participant in this thread and his post, not a mod's decision or conduct. By posting in this thread in a general manner, he is just a regular member. Had he posted "You are being issued a warning for mentioning warez." or "I'm moving this to the Mac forum.", then he is acting in a mod capacity. Just as an on-duty police officer cannot just go into a bar with his friend's and start getting drunk, but still expect to exude the same level of authority. The advantage here is that the mods can be "one of the guys" one moment, then put back on their mod caps when the need arises. You may want to follow your own advice. You know, about not getting upset over differing viewpoints? BTW, we = readers of this thread You are in breach of the forum rules and are being issued with a formal warning. / Moderator SatStorm | ||||||||
| gll99 posted 2009 May 28 03:52 | ||||||||
| First:
What I tried to say in broader terms in my earlier comment and what Satstorm said more eloquently, lordsmurf put quite bluntly but even more clearly and to the point in his comment. History shows that while newbies might argue with site authority they can be quickly disposed of by the mods if they become a problem. It's not so easy with so called OT "chums" of a mod who think they rule the roost expecting special treatment placing themselves above the peons and finally when they go too far and need to be corrected they gather their troops, cry to another mod trying to cause discord with flattery, complaining, backbiting etc... I won't add more because the details are better left to rest. No wonder some mods and members stepped away or left. This has happened more than once. Fortunately a few are still members but not many participate much anymore. Second:
All Kreskins? Everybody gets one free guess. Winner gets a prize. :lol: I'm not talking about disagreeing with a mod on a video related topic. That's why I said "challenges a moderator on site governance related matters" However, I think you keyed in on the wrong part of the quote. We have differing viewpoints about whether the following bold statement applies.
The point has been made and I have to admit answered by default. The fact you haven't been warned or carded at least twice by now means you're obviously right in your interpretation. So I'll have to admit I'm wrong. I don't want you to feel like I'm deliberately antagonizing you so I'll end my participation in this thread. Peace. :) | ||||||||
| SatStorm posted 2009 May 28 04:06 | ||||||||
| He is not right. We are too soft. | ||||||||
| jimmalenko posted 2009 May 28 08:03 | ||||||||
| If demand warrants more Mods, then I'm sure Baldrick would go about recruiting/promoting them.
I would hazard to say that it is generally newer members that require Mod action moreso than members who have been around a while and know how things work and how/where to find things. However upon perusal of the number of posts and new members each month ( http://forum.videohelp.com/statistics ), I'd suggest that the site is not getting the throughput it once did in the heady times of 2004-2005. | ||||||||
| AlanHK posted 2009 May 28 10:55 | ||||||||
I'm a mod on a local site, where many people know each other in real life. And so there are many feuds that spill over into the forum, and and flame wars can cause real world consequences. So we try to keep a lid on it, though we very rarely permanently ban people. And often I have been attacked and called a bigot, nazi, dictator, if I stop a thread where someone is claiming that some else set their dogs to kill his cat (real story -- but not the story the other guy told). And I can't make the most innocent, if sometimes ironic, comment, without being pilloried for bullying posters using my mod status. Though clearly it earns me far more vilification than respect -- the same poster claiming I'm silencing views I disagree with personally (rather than protecting the site from libel, which is what I'm actually doing) fails to realise that his own post shows that isn't true. The site is too small for me to get away with having a Secret Identity as a mod, it would soon be known and earn me even more ill will for trying to hide. And I can't lose my temper and flame someone no matter how much they deserve it. (So when I go on Slashdot I make up for it and vent a bit more than I should.) | ||||||||
| Seeker47 posted 2009 May 28 14:33 | ||||||||
What you both said very much reminds me of a friend who was in the computer services business several years ago, and was fairly active online. He was quite even-tempered -- even uncommonly so -- always avoiding sharp response to even the most unwarranted attacks or deliberate provocations, which though infrequent did occur from time to time. It wasn't just being a fundamentally good person: he regarded this as the correct professional demeanor, and in any case simply smart for business purposes. Even though the stakes for me are rather different, I don't know that I could always succeed in emulating his example, but I'd like to, and I try to do so. | ||||||||
| lordsmurf posted 2009 May 28 14:44 | ||||||||
| I have NEVER bought into the idea that being a punching bag for verbal abuse, or some sort of tampon, is required to be "professional". Some people not only expect you to take it, but smile while it's being done. I'm sorry, but that's bullshit.
I consider professional to be holding yourself to a higher standard ethically, and capable of producing excellent work in your field. And if that process requires telling somebody to fuck off to accomplish it, then so be it. And you know -- that's really how it operated prior to all the political correctness crap that has invaded our society and turned so many people into wusses. Why should I be afraid to offend people who are offending me? How the hell is that fair? And while it may seem to go against conventional wisdom, the whole "bad for business" shtick, there are just as many customers who will use you because of this stance as those that would avoid you. In fact, in my old college pre-PC marketing and public relations books, there are chapters on this topic, one that I fondly recall titled "Divorcing the Customer". It's where you shed yourself of the pricks. Businesses still do it -- and these days it gets them "bad PR" -- but those companies always end up healthier than not. | ||||||||
| Nelson37 posted 2009 May 28 20:51 | ||||||||
| AH, "Divorcing a Customer". A sacred and hallowed concept.
There's professionalism, and then there's being a doormat. I know this might surprise some folks, but I see nothing wrong with blunt, even brutal honesty. Life is too short. Now when someone is paying my bill, that gets them a little wiggle room, but I don't need the money That bad. Experience tells me the A-holes are much more likely to screw you in some way. | ||||||||
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| stiltman posted 2009 Jun 02 01:14 | ||||||||
Strange, I was noticing the same...What's nice, I think this site is maturing into a site that was once only about backing up your DVDs to a more infomitive site about about DV,HDV, and conversions Really every knows by now there are really only 2 programs that are being updated with new DVD structures. What I think people are starting to realize, this site is more than that....Hell, just look at the DVD-DVDR forum | ||||||||
| gadgetguy posted 2009 Jun 02 06:16 | ||||||||
| Funny, for me this site was never about backing up DVDs, but rather putting my own work on VCD and then DVD. It used to annoy me that there were so many posts about backing up. (Not the fact that people were backing up, but just that there were so many posts about it. And so many asking the same questions.) | ||||||||
| redwudz posted 2009 Jun 02 09:44 | ||||||||
| Uhh, guys? We're probably getting a bit off topic from the OPs initial question. Just a reminder. :) | ||||||||
| freebird73717 posted 2009 Jun 02 09:55 | ||||||||
| redwudz is that your way of saying you and yoda need help? :lol: | ||||||||
| SatStorm posted 2009 Jun 02 11:11 | ||||||||
| I believe that it is his way to remind to all of us, that this is the feedback subforum and not the off topic one. | ||||||||
| Faustus posted 2009 Jun 02 15:55 | ||||||||
| yeah, wait what? | ||||||||
| SatStorm posted 2009 Jun 02 16:15 | ||||||||
| That. | ||||||||
| stiltman posted 2009 Jun 03 12:45 | ||||||||
| OK to answer the OP's title....
Just look above this post :lol: Almost 4 in a row |
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