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The Complete Guide To Making Blu-Ray Backups (1:1 Backups + BD5 Backups) | ||||
| milOtis posted 2009 May 26 18:57 | ||||
| All,
This is The Complete Blu-Ray Backup Guide by milOtis - How to make a 1:1 1080p Blu-Ray Backup (to BD-R/RW) - How to make a BD5 1080p Blu-Ray Backup (to DVD-R) I have made my guide in the form of a PDF file, so that it is universal, and also because it is around 30 pages, with multiple images. The guide is an easy step-by-step method, with screenshots for each and every step along the way. The guide includes how to backup a Blu-Ray disc to another Blu-Ray disc, as well as how to backup your Blu-Ray discs to BD-5 backups (burned to DVD-R), but still 1080p and full 5.1 audio! This is the only guide you will ever need to backing up Blu-Ray discs to BD-R/RW or DVD-R/RW NOTE: The DVD backup method is NOT an MPEG2-encoded backup! The files are still 1080p AVCHD Blu-Ray files, and playable on any Blu-Ray player, including the PS3. The DVD method for backing up will NOT play on a standard set-top DVD player. NOTE: Neither the creator of this guide, nor any makers of the included software, will be held responsible in any way for the use or misuse of this material. This tutorial was created for those who want to protect their Blu-Ray investments, but do not have the technical knowledge on how to perform the backup process, as it is somewhat complicated. As previously stated, this guide is only to be used by those who own the Blu-Ray discs that they are backing up. You are prohibited from using this tutorial on discs obtained through rental or subscription services. Any use of this guide for all legal and/or illegal purposes is the sole responsibility of the end user. This guide comes with no expressed or implied warranty or guarantee of support, of any kind. GUIDE LINK: Blu-Ray Backup Guide (by milOtis) The above link contains the PDF guide. The guide itself contains links to the latest release of each individual piece of software that you need, and I do recommend getting the software from the latest download links located in the guide. If the need arises, I will update the guide with any new information or techniques that simplify and enhance the backup process, so you can rest assured this guide will always be up to date. Make sure to always download the link in this post to get the latest version of the guide. ENJOY, ~ milOtis p.s. - Clicking on the Google ads on my site helps me continue to host this guide for free and ensure that I keep it updated regularly. Thanks!! | ||||
| adnbsn posted 2009 May 27 20:18 | ||||
| Nice work. Thanks for saving me the time consuming 'trial and error' part of this whole process.
Nice computer there with 8 cores! | ||||
| milOtis posted 2009 May 27 20:43 | ||||
No problem, let me know if anyone has any questions. I will be happy to clarify anything, just ask. | ||||
| red lion posted 2009 May 28 17:00 | ||||
| excellent thanks for this | ||||
| Baldrick posted 2009 May 29 08:38 | ||||
| Looks very good! But I hate rapidshare, wait to download files...:) If you want I can give you some space with direct access download. | ||||
| milOtis posted 2009 May 29 09:23 | ||||
I appreciate the offer, but I actually have 20gb hosting space with an independent hosting company that I chose not to use. Plus, Rapidshare is adequate for most users, since they only need to download the one PDF file. I also have a RS Premium account, so I can make sure it never gets deleted. Thanks again though :) | ||||
| lordsmurf posted 2009 Jun 02 22:13 | ||||
| There's no reason this stuff can't be posted on-site. Rapidshare is a supremely shitty site. Anyway...
Software required (as found in the zip) AVCHD Patcher - AVCHD-Patcher.exe AVISynth - Avisynth_v2.5.8.exe BD Rebuilder - BD_Rebuilder_v0.21.01.zip Daemon Tools - daemon4304-lite.exe FFDshow - ffdshow_rev2968_20090525.exe Matroska Splitter - MatroskaSplitter_v11.01.2009.exe AnyDVD - SetupAnyDVD v6.5.4.9.exe ImgBurn - SetupImgBurn_2.4.4.0.exe And then attach the PDF guide to the post. Easy enough. :) | ||||
| milOtis posted 2009 Jun 02 23:45 | ||||
Ok, I will post it in my original post. You need to remove it from your post above though, because this is a guide I will be updating as techniques change, so I can always upload a new one, and edit my original post. Ok? So please remove the guide you posted. I already have some grammatically errors I will be changing in a few days anyway. Thanks for respecting my wishes. I will update my original post with the attachment myself now, that I can update at any time. | ||||
| orbkeller posted 2009 Jul 06 19:36 | ||||
| Coming in, I had my doubts when I read that you said there was not much loss in audio and video quality when converting a Blu-ray into a DVD5. I gave this guide a try anyways, and to my surprise you are right! I can barely tell any difference from my original Blu-ray and the DVD5 copy watching on my 65" 1080i display.
I had to make an account just to give my thanks to this great guide. Hopefully, down the road, BD Rebuilder will decrease the time it takes for the whole process. It took me 15 hours to get it done. | ||||
| bagito posted 2009 Jul 07 01:04 | ||||
| Great guide Milotis, I think it's the best blu-ray to bd5 guide out there. My only problem is that my finished product (dvd5) won't play either in my computer or my set top LG blu-ray player.
I might be missing something real simple 'cause when I load the finished disc into the BD drive, a window comes up with the BDMV and Certificate folder instead of my WinDVD player and nothing happens. I've followed the guide word for word, did the AVCHD Patch and burned with ImgBurn but no avail. I really would appreciate any help you could suggest. Thanks !!! | ||||
| dlcruz99 posted 2009 Jul 09 12:53 | ||||
| need help please evething works until i try to use AVCHD patcher when i drag and drop the index .bdmv file it doesn´t recognize the file format, it´says wrong file format... please help | ||||
| milOtis posted 2009 Jul 21 21:00 | ||||
| Thank you guys for all your input. In order to keep this the best guide, I will revisit the ripping process this weekend, and make an update, simplify the steps, and reupload a new version of the guide. It will definitely be simpler, even more so than I have already made it, and not only will it address the issues posted here, but it will also involve less software and steps than the original.
Look for it the updated version this weekend or Monday :) Thanks p.s. - if you really wanna thank me, just click on Google ad banner at the link where the guide is posted :) all proceeds (albeit tiny amounts) go to pay for the hosting to keep this guide free and readily available/updated. | ||||
| brad2157 posted 2009 Aug 07 11:30 | ||||
| Great Guide! Although what I am trying to do is not listed in your guide. I would like to back up each of my original Blu-Ray disc, each to fit onto a single layer BD-R 25GB disc. Most of the movies I have bought are over 25GB, so I am needing to "shrink" them down. I have tried to follow your guide, but I am not clear on exactly how to accomplish what I am trying to do. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! | ||||
| bagito posted 2009 Aug 09 14:55 | ||||
| Brad2157
In the BD Rebuilder section of the guide, there's an option in settings for BD-25 that you can select. Hope this helps you out. | ||||
| brad2157 posted 2009 Aug 11 00:36 | ||||
| I was able to get it working guys! Thanks sooo much for all your input and help. Apparently I thought I needed to burn a individual file through IMGBURN, instead of burning the entire folder where I had the backup copy located. I tried to save a step and just shrink/rebuild the .MT2S file straight from the Blu-Ray disc, instead of first backing up to the PC and then trying to rebuild. It took me over 10 hours just to rebuild the file. I am not sure if this is typical or not, but I am going to save the backup of the next disc I backup to my hard drive first, and then try to rebuild it, to see if this speeds it up. | ||||
| BLove145 posted 2009 Aug 14 12:08 | ||||
| having some trouble backing up a blu ray to DVD-9. I followed all the steps but it only shows up as a data disc in ps3, even after i patched the file. I have read some people say its the 1.06 version of AVCHD-Patcher that is causing the problem and that AVC-HD Patcher 1.04 works fine. I haven't found a link as yet and was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction. thanks for all the help so far. | ||||
| brad2157 posted 2009 Aug 14 12:25 | ||||
| Blove145, I had the same trouble my first time burning a Single Layer BD-R 25GB disc. After I backed up my original and burnt the file, it only showed up as a data disc. I found out that I did not follow the instructions correctly. What I did was burnt the main .MT2S file for the movie and that was it. You have to burn the entire folder that BD-Rebuilder "rebuilds" the movie at, that way it gathers all the necessary data files you need to play it as a movie and not just a data disc. Hope this helps. | ||||
| BLove145 posted 2009 Aug 14 12:30 | ||||
| thanks for the quick reply Brad. when you say entire folder do you mean the BDMV and Certificate folders only or the root folde that includes those 2 folders plus the workfiles folder, the BD text document and the little setup file? | ||||
| fritzi93 posted 2009 Aug 14 15:01 | ||||
BDMV and Certificate folder. Drag and drop to the ImgBurn window, just like the guide says. :P This is quite a good guide, clear and simple without a lot of jargon. :wink: | ||||
| BLove145 posted 2009 Aug 14 15:32 | ||||
| did that, still doesn't work. | ||||
| mattsingh posted 2009 Aug 19 00:29 | ||||
| Amazing Guide
Thanks for all the effort you took to make this step by step guide. Thanks Again 8) 8) 8) | ||||
| mattsingh posted 2009 Aug 19 00:43 | ||||
| Hi
Thanks for an amazing guide and step by step instructions. i need ur suggestion,I just finished building my htpc,I have 4tb so storage not an issue,I own all my bluray coz i m a movie buff and collector both and little ocd too lol.I dont want my discs to get damaged. If i use anydvd hd each movie will be 30 to 40gb i dont mind it because all i collect in blu-ray is really good stuff, but what i want is main movie untouched and that is it. I read ur guide and want ur guidance if after the anydvd hd part if i can use bd rebuilder to backup just the main movie untouched or any other way if u suggest. Im new to this so help will be sincerely appreciated. Thanks in advance Matt smile.gif smile.gif | ||||
| cwf posted 2009 Aug 19 08:55 | ||||
| Great Guide...Thanks! Working on my first BD to DVD backup now and wondered why the insistance to use DVD-R and not DVD+R media? I've always used +R for regular DVD backups and was just curious why this is not recommended in the guide?
Thanks Again! | ||||
| JimmyJoeBob posted 2009 Aug 30 17:58 | ||||
| I am building a new PC as we speak with a Pioneer 203 unit. Can't wait to try a BD5/9. seems like the early days of backup again!! | ||||
| DGenerateKane posted 2009 Sep 04 21:15 | ||||
| Man I was so close to pulling the trigger on a Blu-Ray burner until I read it took one person 15 hours. My burning rig is the same one I used to burn DVDs 5.5 years ago, a puny 2.6 ghz P4. :( | ||||
| milOtis posted 2009 Sep 05 05:01 | ||||
DVD-Rs are more compatible than DVD+Rs. | ||||
| milOtis posted 2009 Sep 05 05:03 | ||||
Burning speed has nothing to do with your processor and everything to do with your burner speed. If I have an 8x Blu-Ray burner, it will burn the disc the same speed on an old P4 as it would on a my 8-core Xeon. Burning a FULL BD-R/RW disx at 2x takes me about 45min. Burning to a 4X BD-R is 20min Also, this guide is really meant for those who want to keep HD quality, but burn to DVD. You do not need a BDR for this guide, just a BD-ROM | ||||
| milOtis posted 2009 Sep 05 05:04 | ||||
| I will be updating the guide this weekend with the most recent version updates, and shortening some of the steps needed....look for it on Monday or Tuesday. | ||||
| milOtis posted 2009 Sep 05 05:09 | ||||
Brad - if you follow my guide from step 1, you will see that I tell the user to do that first. Backup to the driver, THEN use that as your source to make the shrink version. Never use BD Rebuilder straight from your BD Drive/Disc itself...this will cause your BD drive not only to be in use fo rhours, but put constant wear on your drive for a much longer amount of time, which is not necessary. | ||||
| harrysue posted 2009 Sep 07 23:32 | ||||
| Hi All
Thanks Milotis for the guide, its very easy to use. I am having one problem. The 1:1 copies work fine, but when creating a BD-5 or BD-25, I loose the HD audio and just get standard DTS 5.1 or Dolby 5.1? When I get to your step 5 m, the HD audio track is selected (like in your guide) but after the process in all completed, I have a standard audio track? Any ideas what I am doing wrong? Thanks in advance. | ||||
| milOtis posted 2009 Sep 08 14:08 | ||||
| When you shrink to a BD5 or BD9 (DVD sizes), then you MUST lose the HD version of the audio and let is downsample, or you will not be able to fit it on a DVD. The HD audio is like 3 or 4GB alone in size, which would fill up your whole DVD-R, so you cannot keep HD audio on a shrink down to BD5 or BD9, however you can keep it on a BD25, if you check the box in the options labeled "Keep HD Audio for BD25"
Thanks :) | ||||
| harrysue posted 2009 Sep 09 01:53 | ||||
| Thanks for reply. I did not realize the HD audio track was that big! It all makes sense now.
The opening paragraph of your introduction (in your guide) does say you can back-up HD Audio to a DVD, might need some revision there for those like me who do not know any better! | ||||
| milOtis posted 2009 Sep 11 09:25 | ||||
I will fix that in the next update, this weekend. I mis-typed that in the intro. I guess because audio to me isn't nearly as important as video. I will take HD video, and 128K mp3 audio even, lol. It's all about visual to me...audio is not that important to me, especially since I only have 2 speakers, but I will revise it. | ||||
| siratfus posted 2009 Sep 13 03:16 | ||||
| Milotis, I follow your guide and have been able to back-up my blu-rays perfectly with my notebook that's running windows vista. I don't necessarily understand why I have to do certain steps, or what the tools actually do.. I just follow and it works. :)
However, I want to move away from my notebook and do the work on my desktop which is running XP. It is not working, and I figure now is the time to actually learn and ask some questions. The step that I cannot get by is the mounting step with daemon tools. When I select my image, anydvd starts scanning, everything is fine. Daemon tools tray shows that the image is mounted. However, in BD Rebuilder... It keeps saying that the source is not BD format. I am 100% selecting the proper drive letter. One thing I do notice is that in Vista, the drive letter would also show the title of the movie when selecting source in BD Rebuilder or when manually clicking on MY COMPUTER and viewing all your drives, in XP, it is not showing the movie title in BD Rebuilder nor when you manually view all your drives in my computer, but your guide says it's okay as long as we select the proper drive. I cannot pass this phase in XP, which brings this question to mind. Why do we need to mount it to Daemon tools in the first place? In BD Rebuilder, couldn't I just select the location of where the actual ripped image is? Why do we need to put it on the virtual drive and then select it from there? Well, I would appreciate any advice on how to get Windows XP professional working with Daemon Tools, and a little education as well regarding my why question. Thank you in advance! | ||||
| rccland posted 2009 Sep 13 16:36 | ||||
| When using AVCHD patcher 1.06 I keep getting incorrect file format error. I have heard maybe v1.04 would fix this but I cant seem to find it anywhere. Can someone plese post a link.
thank you very much. | ||||
| fritzi93 posted 2009 Sep 13 17:17 | ||||
| To siratfus: Try using another virtual drive, SlySoft for instance has one free of charge, forget the exact name. IIRC, some folks have had trouble using DaemonTools virtual drive (no idea precisely why) and oftentimes they have used a different one with success.
One other thing you might try if the above doesn't work is to re-install ffdshow and Haali media splitter. As an aside, and in regard to +R/-R: I presume it depends on your player. I have a Sony BDP-S360, and use DVD+Rs, simply because I had a lot of them when I started doing BD backups and HDTV captures to AVCHD. They work just fine on that particular player. [shrugs] | ||||
| rccland posted 2009 Sep 13 17:37 | ||||
| Hey fritzi93, in the forum below
http://forum.videohelp.com/topic371528.html you had posted a note saying "Sure, use BDRB (BD_Rebuilder). First you have to decrypt/rip the disc to your hard drive. At the moment, AnyDVDHD is pretty much the only option, and it's not free. But the 21-day trial *IS* free, and not crippled in any way, apart from not keeping settings and the nag screens. So you can try before you buy. Here's a nice simple guide: http://forum.videohelp.com/topic368581.html Although it's specifically aimed at re-encoding to fit a BD-5 (or rather AVCHD on DVD-5), just change the option in BDRB to BD-25 and leave off patching the index. Make certain you install the latest versions of: Avisynth, ffdshow, and Haali Splitter. Good luck and post back how you're doing. And welcome to the forum" Now my question is when you say "just change the option to BD-25 and leave off patching the index" are you saying I dont need to use AVCHD-patcher when I am doing BD-25???? Also, for some movies, I have noticed that that are extra folders besides BDMV and CERTIFICATE, should I burn all those folders or just stick with 2(BDMV and CERTIFICATE). | ||||
| dedwin99 posted 2009 Sep 15 17:19 | ||||
| after br rebuilder saves my movie how do I get imgburn to burn it as the automatic did not activate? | ||||
| johns0 posted 2009 Sep 15 17:40 | ||||
Bitsetting helps. :) | ||||
| rccland posted 2009 Sep 15 17:42 | ||||
| Here is a quick guide on how to burn using imgburn
http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=9512 | ||||
| fritzi93 posted 2009 Sep 15 19:52 | ||||
Well, since you're not doing an AVCHD, my presumption would be you don't need to use AVCHDpatcher. :wink: No, I'm not being a wise guy, if someone can tell me any reason to do so, I'd be interested to know. We're still in the early stages of doing BD backups, and already people are finding rather strange combinations are necessary to get their backups to play on particular players. Like *NOT* including the CERTIFICATE folder, for example. I think that applies to some Samsung players. Doom9 has several threads on suchlike. As to which folders to burn, AFAIK, only the BDMV is essential, and I've done a good number both ways and my player (Sony BDP-S360) doesn't care one bit. But this whole business is still rather arcane. :scratch: Which makes it interesting. Good luck. [EDIT] Correction: Delete the AUXDATA folder (not the CERTIFICATE folder) for several Samsung players. Also, you must *NOT* use DVD-ROM booktype for Samsung standalones. | ||||
| PICKY737 posted 2009 Sep 16 05:48 | ||||
| Re HD audio.Open BDrebuilder and click on settings at the top ,in the box that pops up there is a setting to keep HD audio for BD-25 just select it.I wouldn't try it for BD-5 as the audio file would be quite large and that would compromise the video quality.
As for the method used to convert I use a very similar process but as I only ever use movie only mode what I do is use a program called BDinfo to see which is the playlist for the main movie and then open that mpls file in tsmuxer then select the audio track I need and save as a Blu-ray folder on my hard drive.(tsmuxer rips the files direct off your blu-ray disc with anydvd hd running)This gives me a folder with only the bits I need, saving time ripping all the extras,menus etc which will only be deleted later anyway.Bdrebuilder can use this file as its' source just like it does with a mounted iso.I've had 100% success up to now using this method. | ||||
| Choppermike posted 2009 Sep 16 11:23 | ||||
MilOtis - AWESOME guide! Thanks, clicks the links (don't spend it all in one place) :) Two days ago I bought DVDFab and now it looks like I needs to spend another $65for anydvd. Qestion is this. Will dvdfab rip the ISO? If it does, I haven't been able to figure it out. Thank you in adavance for your reply. Again KUDOS on the guide. | ||||
| siratfus posted 2009 Sep 21 04:37 | ||||
| I see people ready to spend on Anydvd, but honestly, I would advise to wait a little longer till backing up blu-rays becomes 2nd nature like dvds. Right now, there is just too many uncertainties. With dvds, you can experiment all you want and throw away .40 cent coasters, and not much of your time. With blu-rays, it is extremely frustrating to wait 2 days for your movie to shrink, burn onto a $3 25gb disc and get that sick feeling in your stomach when it doesn't play.
I've followed this milotis pdf exactly every time, including patching with 1.06 and it's been hit or miss. I've gotten a few good back-ups and I've gotten a few $3 coasters. I've done 4 and it has been 50% success. The 2 coasters for me are "Knowing" and the "Prestige." Anybody else happen to have problems with these movies? Otherwise, I'm giving up! I'm going to let go my BH08 burner for $140 shipped. It's only been used for 4 sessions. PM me if interested. I'm going back to ripping main movie for TS play back. | ||||
| fritzi93 posted 2009 Sep 21 09:26 | ||||
Have a look at this thread: http://forum.videohelp.com/topic373133.html The OP has had similar problems, including the movie "Knowing". It's been suggested that instead of ripping to image and mounting with DaemonTools, that it be ripped to files instead. This was from a member who had no trouble with that disc. Waiting for confirmation from the OP at the moment. | ||||
| Choppermike posted 2009 Sep 21 10:18 | ||||
[quote="fritzi93"]
Siratfus, Thanks for your thoughts. I have followed the pdf and haven't had any problems with 6 back ups until I came across Alien vs. Pred. BDR couldn't find audio files. Aside from that I'm very pleased. I'm suprised how clear the movie is on a dvd disk. I will save my bdr25g's for my favs that i want hd audio. OK one other thought. I do get errors when patching but it still plays fine, at least on my ps3. Mike | ||||
| igotafeelin posted 2009 Sep 28 15:27 | ||||
| As the quality of a BD5 video is as good as the BD9 why can't a BD9 sacrifice some space to hold the HD audio track.
This would mean excellent picture & awesome sound on a dual layer DVD. | ||||
| GINO6969 posted 2009 Oct 04 11:21 | ||||
| Can Anyone Help Me... Im Confused.... I dont know what im doing wrong!
I did a few full disc back up with BDRB/anydvdHD without a problem. now im stuck with 3 movie that make me spend a few coaster! The Dark Knight (full disc mode) dont play at all What happen in vegas (full disc mode) it boot until the menu and after i press play i stay stuck at the fbi warning. Iron Man (full disc mode) it boot until the menu and after i press play i stay stuck at at the filmrating. any help? i think i should invest on BD-RE lol | ||||
| harrysue posted 2009 Oct 11 17:46 | ||||
I've clicked the "Keep HD Audio for BD25" and it worked. Only problem is on the two blurays I have done this on, there is a slight audio / video synchronization (lip sync) problem in the BD25 created. Anyone else notice this? | ||||
| jamdonot posted 2009 Oct 18 11:45 | ||||
| Hello, as you can see from my postings, I am totally new. I gave the guide a go, worked perfectly first time on my copy of Watchmen, however the audio is out of sync, is there any way I can fix this. Also, I was totally blown away the quality, on my 46" LCD, really couldnt tell the difference, and I went down to a BD5.
Cheers for the reply, oh, and the video is ahead of the audio. | ||||
| thirdman2002 posted 2009 Nov 04 09:42 | ||||
| milOtis
Thanks so much for all of your work trying to assist newbes like me in the rather obscure art of copying BDs. I am so impressed and inspired that I think I may have a go at this. I note you have not posted in a few weeks now on this thread. I hope this does not imply that you are abandoning your fans out here. Please continue your efforts! | ||||
| wjmeyer posted 2009 Nov 08 08:28 | ||||
| Great guide - it worked fine on first try. The video on the copy (BD-25 disk) looks identical to the orig. blu-ray.
If I keep the HD audio track (whick I know uses more disk space), instead of DD track, will it have much of a negative impact on the HD video quality? Also, does anyone know if Virtual Clone Drive will work in place of Daemon. Again thanks for great guide. | ||||
| titot4u posted 2009 Nov 13 07:17 | ||||
| milOtis,
The instructions you posted are awesome, except I had some small issues following instructions since the freewares you recommend to use were updated to a later version, but it didn't take much effort to figure it out. My question is: After burning to my BD5, I noticed a huge delay on the audio playback. Is there any way to correct this problem? Thanks |
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