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| The Best CIS ? | ||
| bidefordboy posted 2005 Apr 18 16:18 | ||
| Now that there are quite a few different cis systems available I thought it would be a good idea to start a new thread for cis systems in general.
I have previously owned the JWLSales system, but after having problems with the carts decided to dump it & try a new system. The system I have ordered now is available here :- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=51310& ... 6&rd=1 Will keep you all updated on my progress with this system. Would be good to get a general overview of the different systems posted by users. We could all help each other out with problems & fixes. Here are some links that may be helpfull:- http://www.printonadime.com http://www.printforless.tk http://nomorecarts.com http://marrutt.com/lyson-contin.php http://search.ebay.com/continuous-ink-systems_W0QQsojsZ1QQfromZR40 | ||
| ultraman36 posted 2005 Apr 18 16:28 | ||
| I just got my Jwlsales cis a week or so ago im going to order the printonadime cis (new 100ml tank) macrovision gives it high scores my Jwlsales colors are a little off | ||
| qlizard posted 2005 Apr 18 17:53 | ||
| I just ordered a printforless kit with 100ml dual chamber tanks. It was $70 including shipping but doesn't include ink. I'm planning on filling it with the Sam's/Costco stratatec ink. I'll let you know how it goes. | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 18 18:30 | ||
| Glad to be here with you guy's because we know how printer manufacturers make most of their profits( high prices for carts ) and they don't want us using cis because their afraid we'll save money...I'm happy to report progress with my printonadime cis although I bought it in a rush being that my jlwsales cis broke my printer from constant leaking and I didn't trust repairing it for the millionth time! I bought the printonadime combo(printer with cis kit)for $199.00...I make my money with the printer so I needed it yesterday at that time...If I could have waited I would have bought the 100ml cis but I was in a rush however I use it all the time and it doesn't use massive amounts of ink and I use an entire syringe(with needle) during refilling and it's no longer a painful process(with the needle) And don't forget to print a nozzle check every two or three days...you don't need the computer...(R200)just hold down the paper button and press the power button while holding down the paper button...release the power button while still holding down the paper button...when the power light starts to flash release the paper button...after start up is finished it will print a nozzle check...make sure paper is loaded...DUHH! | ||
| bidefordboy posted 2005 Apr 18 19:10 | ||
| Have received a email from 'toppyjess' to say that my system has been dispatched, so hopefully will be able to report any prob's with installation & operation in a few day's.
I think the first thing I will do is setup the auto print programme that I downloaded from the printonadime site. Will set it up to print out a purge test each day when I know my pc will be on. This may seem like overkill, but after the prob's I had with the JWLSales cart's, I would rather be safe than sorry. | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 18 20:10 | ||
| Can't wait for you to get yours going bidefordboy...I want result dammit....progress for all..and by the way...HIP HIP HORRAY!! FOR BIDEFORDBOY :D Thanks for bringing us to a new forum rather than us posting in that sorry a?s JLWSALES forum...we all know that JLWSALES cis kits suck!!!!! | ||
| Captain315 posted 2005 Apr 18 20:53 | ||
| I HATE ALL OF YOU! HATE, HATE, HATE! :lol:
I bought the "jump-high, run far", wonderful, fantastic JWL CIS kit that EVERYONE was raving about on here. Haven't even hooked it up yet (had it a couple of months now) and already I'm afraid to do it. All I read now is that it's nothing but junk. GEESH! Fellas (and ladies), make up your minds, I can't afford to keep up with the Joneses. :cry: Guess I will buy one from Toppy-Jess and see if it works. | ||
| bidefordboy posted 2005 Apr 18 21:01 | ||
| Don't be disheartened Captain315, your system may work fine. When I first got my JWLSales kit I thought it was the best thing since sliced bread. It worked really well for a few months. But it's like car's, we might both have the same model but I get load's of problem's & you get none. Sometime's you can blame it on the driver. Your cart's may be improved one's. You might as well set it up & get your money's worth. | ||
| Captain315 posted 2005 Apr 18 21:08 | ||
| I think that's what I will do. Am going to get rid of the Canon S-900 and I-950 printers and replace them with the Epson R200's. I personally will NEVER buy another Canon product. These have been nothing but trouble since the day I got them. On the other hand, I've not had one minutes problem with the R200. I just hope the JWL kit doesn't screw it up. LOL | ||
| Captain315 posted 2005 Apr 18 22:10 | ||
| Advice please..... Is there any advantage to getting the pigment ink rather than the dye? I read on the Toppy-Jess ad that the pigment ink is "water-resistant". Have any of you ever used the pigment ink that can give us your evaluation as compared to the water-based dye ink? I'd like to not have to spray my discs if at all possible.
Thanks! | ||
| dmagic1 posted 2005 Apr 18 23:30 | ||
| Until we see some long term use like with the JWL system, its hard to tell if the Printonadime will truely be any better. | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 19 00:34 | ||
| I always say that I'm lucky that I'm a technician...I'm not gonna get rude but the truth is the truth...if you don't believe me for those of you whom already replaced your jlwsales kit take it outside and break one of the carts open and post your findings....not only are they hollow ( the reason why it uses a sh**load of ink ) but also the outlet port is a cheap piece of rubber when it's suppose to be a valve (the reason why it cloggs and leaks).....as I posted before..I've taken the OEM (EPSON ) carts apart and it has chambers (causes the ink to spray when charged up by the printer) and the outlet port is a valve (keeps an air-tight seal) but as usual "Experience is the best teacher"...the only thing that the new CIS kits (Printonadime,ECT.)are missing is that the OEM carts have a built in filter! I will soon post pictures of the insides of the different carts...but anyway get your moneys worth from your jlwsales kits and when it gives out replace it with a CIS that's been tested by the good people of this forum...Don't hate us because we're trying to help people not make the mistake we made with jlwsales...are you going to go to china and sue jlwsales if his kit f**ks up and he refuses to replace it.....your better off with something guaranteed by city,state, and federal laws this way you can get what you paid for with piece of mind...printonadime has a 30 day policy...just something to consider...GOOD LUCK!!! | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 19 00:40 | ||
| as for pigment ink...I'm gonna contact Epson and ask about pigment ink and DVD printing...I'll post the results tommorrow because their closed right now. | ||
| dun4cheap posted 2005 Apr 19 01:27 | ||
| I bought mine from this company http://www.think4inc.com/cgi-bin/webdatapro/t4idb.pl. I paid $99 for it during a local computer show. The chips reset automatically and it never runs the self cleaning mode. I have to run it myself. It runs better now than it did with the original MFG carts.
I have not taken the carts apart so I don't know if they are hollow or sponged. I do know they have worked for me for atleast 3 months. I have let my printer sit for a week or so without printing and then printed without problems. I have purchased fefill inks from costco for this unit but I will not need them for a while yet. I have printed over 300 DVDs with this setup plus over 150 DVD inlets not to mention just misc. printing. The only thing I did different with my setup is the stickies to hold the tubes I replaced with velcro, so I can pop the system on and off in seconds if need be. I will probably add the cleaning bottle soon, but I don't have to clean my heads very often. Matter of fact I think I have only done it 2-3 times total. | ||
| Captain315 posted 2005 Apr 19 06:19 | ||
| Thanks macro.... Myself, along with many others would like to know the true lowdown on pigment ink. BTW, I hope your realize that I was just joking about the "hate" stuff. This is all a trial and error learning process. | ||
| bidefordboy posted 2005 Apr 19 06:48 | ||
| @ dun4cheap
Obviously a respectable company, if they have taken the same care in selecting a cis to stock as they have with their website you should'nt have any problems. Have you guy's seen the video's available at the printonadime site ?, very informative. | ||
| dmagic1 posted 2005 Apr 19 12:54 | ||
Yes it would seem the design alone makes it a better system. If I was buying right now I would go with the printonadime system. I actually plan on getting a new system to replace my old JLW. I was one of the first users to get the JLW system. I know what you mean about the problems. I've had to resurrect this thing soooo many times. Hopefully the printonadime will prove to be a dependable system. | ||
| dun4cheap posted 2005 Apr 19 13:06 | ||
| I find it interesting that with the printonadime link you cannot add the CIS system to the cart. Whats with that? | ||
| locky posted 2005 Apr 19 13:34 | ||
| I knew too many people has using JWl CIS and only a few had problems cause of defected parts. I've ran JWL CIS since day one and had NO problem at all, checked wasting ink (on back pannel) is fine. Just want to let people already purchased JWL system and no chance to hook it up then go ahead and do it, not too many problem like some guys mention. Try it and you will know, and if you got the defected parts just email JWL, he will send you a new one.
:) | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 19 18:31 | ||
| obviously Locky you haven't seen the technical differences in the jlwsales cis versus other cis manufactureres....the jlwsales cis cartridges are created so cheap that I would rather use my previous jlwsales kit to hold colored sand and maybe it would still fail...look at the outlet port on the jlwsales kit and look at the epson carts outlet port...What's the difference? answer that yourself because I know the difference that's why I'll never put it in my new printer...not even for the love of God!!!! I replaced a cart with one he sent me...he sent no instructions and I had to E-Mail him about 20 times and wait for 2 weeks....I had to buy OEM carts until I recieved the replacement part which happened to be a better cart than the carts on the system...It looked just like an OEM cart made for CIS purposes...why don't he use them in the manufacturing of his kit?...Because their more expensive????anyway If yours fail maybe you'll take a trip to china to get your money back...I'm not upset with your comment because to each his own...I learned my lesson the hard way...maybe you'll have a good teacher(Experience) | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 19 18:36 | ||
| How many people in here never failed science class?
How many took the R200 and successfully put it back together??? How many use common sense to get through problems???? Use common sense and don't get had....I got had and now I know better!!! :idea: | ||
| dun4cheap posted 2005 Apr 19 18:42 | ||
| Hey guys, I have some great news!
*I saved money on my insurance..... and on the ink carts that I have not had to buy!!! :) :) | ||
| ultraman36 posted 2005 Apr 19 18:46 | ||
| I just ordered the printonadime new 100 ml cis he said hes shipping it tommorrow. i going to make lost of covers and dvd with the jlw sales cis to use all the ink. When i first installed the jlwsales kit i couldnt get the patterns without blocks in the clean head maintenance. Now that ive printed alot so far i get a clean test pattern. The color is off a little but it still looks real good on the epson glossy photo paper. My cis (jlwsale ) is new but im not taking a chance. Thats why i ordered the printonadime one. plus the guy from printonadime has always answered all my question (and there were lots). good product along with someone who cares ie customer service goes along way | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 19 20:42 | ||
| Ultraman, I know what you mean and will always listen to advice given to me from someone who doesn't have a hidden motive behind the advice for instance a person that works for jlwsales will do everything in their power to get you to buy their cis kit but this forum is made up of people that have nothing to gain from our advice...I will tell all...even if it's bad about whatever company I deal with and I don't care if others take offense unless the others are gonna pay me to keep quiet(make me rich)and if people wanna go with jlwsales....GODSPEED!!!!As for me...I got what I want(A good CIS that doesn't F**K my printer!!! )THANKS!! | ||
| ultraman36 posted 2005 Apr 20 15:51 | ||
| Lol i was printing dvds and i heard a screech and the tubing got caught under the cartridge holder luckily the tubing didnt get split open weww | ||
| locky posted 2005 Apr 20 17:49 | ||
| Macrovision,
Look like you work for PrintonDime ? so far read all posts, you the only one who says bad about JWL system because your first impression (JWL sent you the bad one). Yes you are a technician and all other just the operators ? don't bring your personal issues to confuse people. | ||
| habs01 posted 2005 Apr 20 20:08 | ||
| Macrovision, your bashing JLWSales kit and hyping Printonadime seems a little excessive at this point. Saying stuff like the JLWSales will destroy your printer is exageration. I know that as of lately quite a few people have had problems with the JLWSales kit and these problems are stated in the JLWSales forum; which is fine.
I installed my JLWSales system 3 months ago. I use it pretty much on a daily base and have had zero problems so far. What I'm getting at, is that while other CIS kits may be technologically superior, this kit works fine for me and probably for a bunch of other people who bought it. It seemed like the best bang for buck CIS kit at the time. Is it still now? Maybe not. Alot of other kits are available now. Some new kits may be better. But then again, just as what happenned with the JLWSales kit, problems might develop over time, maybe different problems who knows? I think alot of people come here looking for help, reviews of CIS kits and unbiased information to help them make decisions. Just my 2 cents. | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 20 20:47 | ||
| We'll just for your info. I want you to know that I recommended other cis kits not only printonadime cis...quite frankly I don't care if you use jlwsales and yes it leaked in my printer causing the gears attached to the waste pad to go out of sync. causing constant error messages...I dealt with it as best as I can...maybe you don't and won't have problems but theirs always experience as I've posted...I hope you don't have problesms but I will tell you that if you do you should remember the only point I stressed was that the outlet port onb the jlwsales kit is built wrong...it's a peice of rubber and this is the problem....the only problem...I'm gonna mod my jlwsales kit with carts form another cis manufacturer because I like the tanks on the jlwsales....every complaint was about the carts,not the tanks but if you get off on combative tactics be my guess...my system is what I wish I had bought from day one and my other printer is being repaired under warranty so I only lost what I'll spend to make my jlwsales cis OEM standard!!! If you have problems with yours maybe you'll see I'm not bashing jlwsales I'm informing others to beware of the cart construction and as for me being a tech....F**K fixing....surface mount technology makes equipment too expensive to repair so we test daughter boards and the ones that's bad we replace with new ones and sell the defective ones to companies that refurbish them or recycle them...fixing is so 1990's | ||
| bidefordboy posted 2005 Apr 20 21:01 | ||
| Well my 'ToppyJess' kit arrived on Wednesday, three day's from Hong Kong, very good, could teach our postal service a thing or two.
It arrived in the usual speed post green bag. Inside the kit was packed in a plain white box with T481-T486 printed in the top left hand corner. The box was wrapped in a couple of layers of bubble wrap, and the contents were also bubble wrapped so the packing was ok. The ink tanks are about the same width as the JWLSales one's but slightly taller. they are full to the brim & the cart's are also full, so no need for priming. I had to remove the cart cover from my printer (r300) because of the placement of the tubing clip that is near the back of the cyan cart, or the cover would not be able to close. Removed the rubber plugs from the tanks & replaced them with the filters supplied. Plugged the carts in & routed the tubing roughly to where I thought it would end up & stuck it down temporarily with insulating tape. Started the printer up & it went through the usual process of charging the carts. When it was finished I tried a nozzle check. Ther were a few broken lines, so I did what was recommended in the instructios & ran the cleaning cycle a couple of times. Did another nozzle check, much better but still not perfect. Then printed a purge test & then another nozzle check. Pefect. So now time to route the tubes properly. Owners of the printonadime system will now how the brackets are fixed on their r200's, well because I have the r300 I wanted to have the tubing coming out of thr printer on the left hand side, so that the trap door for the card slots could be opened easily. The brackets are in the same position & the tubing is fed through from the carts but then over the top of the tubing clip & back to the left, there is plenty of flexibillity in the tubing so It won't harm it. Then the straight bracket was pushed all the way through the bracket that is attached to the printer housing, and I attached the tubing the the end slots. Then stuck the tubing to the left hand side of the printer with some more insulating tape. One good thing about this kit is that it gives you about 10" more tubing than the JLWSales kit, which makes things a lot easier. On the r300 the top cover closes flush to the body of the printer & obviously if you did'nt do anything about it it would damage the tubing if you pushed it too hard. So instead of putting the tubing through the small clip that is supposed to attach it to the body of the printer, to protect it when you close the cover (which would'nt work on the r300), I have left the tubing attached to the printer on the left side with insulating tape, & have assembled the small clip & stuck it on the ledge just above the tubing where the cover closes, this is just enough to stop the cover from damaging the tubing. Hope this all makes sence so far, have had a busy day but wanted to post it before going to bed. The quality of the ink is great, I cannot see any difference in the prints with this system & the one's I did with the JWLSales system. Nice bright colours & dense blacks. Also the tubing does'nt stink & the only time you can smell the ink is if you put a fresh print close to your nose. Well as you can see, I am very happy so far, let's see if it last's. Now I am waiting to see if the chips reset to 90% when the monitor gets below 10%, and also if it performs a cleaning cycle. Will keep you updated. Here is the system again, to refresh your memory http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=51310& ... 5&rd=1 My system is prefilled but they also sell empty systems so you can use your favourite ink, the syringes are used for refilling the tanks. | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 20 22:10 | ||
| Hey bidefordboy...I seem to have a couple of haters in this forum...they call theirselves bashing me for giving advice about the jlwsales carts...I think that they have fears that thier kit might go caput oneday because of my postings???? I'm not a witch...I'm not a witch!!! If you get along fine with jlwsales..I'm happy for you...If your carts start leaking and you get alot of greif...modd the damn thing..you don't gotta buy another cis...use the OEM Epson carts(Mod them ) That's what I'm gonna do with my previous jlwsales cis but in the mean time I bought another cis...you don't have to buy printonadime,toppy-jess,printforless...remember I gave the links from E-Bay..I don't care if you pour the ink into the printhead straight from the bottle...It's your printer...not mine..and it's your hard earned money...not mines...I was trying to help those that can't afford two or three cis kits until they find one that meets OEM standards and If you read correctly I posted that the only thing wrong with the jlwsales cis is that the OUTLET PORT IS BUILT WITH A RUBBER STOPPER INSTEAD OF A VALVE...THAT'S WHY IT LEAKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When he sent me the replacement cart it was OEM standard...I wish he had sent me all six but instead I might try to buy all six from him..I posted thast he should BUILD THE CIS WITH THOSE CARTS..but anyway as I always say " EXPERIENCE IS THE BEST TEACHER" I just want people to make a good choice... every person that comes to this forum may not be able to spend $100 and not care if it's the best choice. If I could do it again I'd buy a different CIS but on the bright side I learned alot about CIS kits and I learned how to build my own but I need my broken jlwsales cis for the tanks as for my recommendation for the best cis kit out there...Talk to LOCKY AND HABS01 | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 20 22:18 | ||
| I want to make one thing clear because I've had a rough week....If you want true from the heart advice about cis kits for Epson "R" line printers...it doesn't matter what company you get it from as long as the carts are spongeless and the outlet port is a valve and the reasons are as follows...sponges with break apart like the ones we use for dishes...this will eventually clogg your printhead and render it useless....the outlet valve provides a air-tight seal when the carts are in the printer and it closes if you take the carts out...it has a water-proof spring inside of it that shuts the valve THANKS!!!! | ||
| bidefordboy posted 2005 Apr 20 22:56 | ||
| Not to worry Mac. I suppose it's only natural, if you have been using a system for quite a while with no prob's & you see people knocking it, you are going to be annoyed. There are a lot of thing's I could have said when my system let me down, but what's the point, life's too short.
Anyway thank's for the link to the system I have now & if I have any problems I will get you to sort them out for me. :-) You know what, I've just been looking around inside my printer (for a screw I dropped actually), & I see there are air vents each side, now if I had bought the parts and built my own cis I could have routed the tubing through them, then I could close the lid or I cou................................. | ||
| qlizard posted 2005 Apr 20 23:59 | ||
| Just got my system from printforless. Looks very similar to the printonadime unit except the reservoir tanks are two chambers and shorter (still 100ml though). All the brackets look the same. He gave me a great deal! I paid for a system with no ink, and the tanks came full! He says its the latest chip and resets to 90% at 10% but we'll see.
macro, how can I tell if the outlet port is a valve without taking it apart? | ||
| Captain315 posted 2005 Apr 21 00:00 | ||
| I have a JWLsales kit that I haven't hooked up yet but will as soon as the cartridges I'm using are empty. It will go on the existing R200 that I use right now. It may be a while though as I don't print that much.
I bought another R200 and CIS sytem that should arrive in a couple of days. One R200 will be for disc printing and the other for all the other things I have to print. It's too much hassle having to open and close the tray and reset the printing parameters. I took a chance on a new company called "wholesale-ink". Their CIS is supposedly the same as the $90.00 ones but only sells for $45.00. Shipping was $5.00 less than the others also. The complete system with ink (already primed) cost only $65.00 including shipping. I might note that on close inspection, the photos of the system appeared to be the same as what the others are selling. The guy I dealt with seemed nice and explained that theirs was a new company and was just getting up and running. They are setting up for some different printers in the near future. I will get it installed as soon as it arrives and will let all of you know how it works and the quality of the ink. First thing I will check (read macrovision) is whether or not it has mechanical or rubber valves in the cartridges. After that, it will be a test of longevity. | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 21 00:14 | ||
| For everyone that wants to know...you can tell if it's a valve in a cart by looking through the cart (if it's clear)and if it's a gray cart (not see through) look directly into the outlet port...you should see a piece that looks flat and smooth (usually gray or white) this is the plunger that closes when you take the cart out...don't disassemble the cart...it's not good for the cis kit!!!! and if all fails ask the manufacturer!! And Bidefordboy...No there is not enough room in the printer to install tubing or a cis unit...I've taken my R200 Piezoelectric printer apart and put it back together so many times i'm having nightmares that we're married(and we are) :D | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 21 00:28 | ||
Epson carts interior | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 21 00:34 | ||
| This is a real cis cart...clear and it cost $18.00 each... I used it to replace my cyan cart on the jlwsales kit while I waited for his replacement(2 weeks,15-20 E-Mails) the round center is what the printer uses to pressurize the cart it also contains the outlet valve[img]http://www.videohelp.com/forum/images/guides/p1284263/clear cart[/img] | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 21 00:43 | ||
it didn't upload .. | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 21 00:51 | ||
clear cis cart $18.00 each | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 21 01:05 | ||
| sorry to post so much but I wanted you guys to see the pics...in the clear carts(not a good pic) you can see the round center going down you'll see the spring loaded valve(outlet)...this cart is dual printer capable..I didn't upload the case it comes with for the R200...it also fits the Epson C84 printer( the case is a plastic housing that makes it fit the R200/R300 printer models) In the jlwsales cis the cart is totally hollow...no chambers...and the round center(most important piece) is what the printer charges against for the ink...this piece also has the mechanical valve that provides an airtight seal and it closes shut to prevent leakage when the cart is removed :!: Another important fact is that you should not remove your cis carts unless it is totally needed...this will cause major problems with the nozzles(if air drys some or all of the residual ink on the cones)these cones are PIEZOELECTRIC ELEMENTS...and if you have the newer auto-reset chips(resets to 90%)donot remove the carts just before they reset because they will reset to 100% if you do!!! I'll explain the piezoelectric part later or you can look it up on google...do a search for piezoelectric printers | ||
| qlizard posted 2005 Apr 21 12:58 | ||
| Macro, what would it look like if it were not a valve?
I see a white piece in there but can't tell what it is. My cartridges have a sticker on the side, so I can't tell if it's clear or not. It says to not remove the sticker. Whats that all about? | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 21 13:30 | ||
| QLIZARD,Don't remove the sticker...underneath is a thin plastic film and if you break the seal your F**ked...the cart will be rendered useless....the film is a airtight....waterproof seal that withstands the charging from the printer....the carts your using are indeed a valved cart....mines are the same as yours (on the front it says"INKJET CARTRIDGE")...your good to go!!!! | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 21 13:32 | ||
| and qlizard the cart is gray...not clear...don't worry about it...your good to go...post any issues you have and contact the manufacturer about warranty | ||
| osnola22 posted 2005 Apr 21 16:06 | ||
| captain 315, Do you have a web link to this CIS you bought? | ||
| Skith posted 2005 Apr 21 17:06 | ||
| I would be interested to hear if anyone has tried a kit from MIS (www.inksupply.com). The kits are more expensive, but come with a 60 day limited warranty. Here is a link to thier FAQ: http://www.inksupply.com/cobrafaq.cfm
MIS also sells Archival quality Inks (not for all printer models) as well as Quadtone and B&W (for B&W photo printing). I would also be interested in hearing Macrovision's opinion. The systems are not cheap, at more than two times the cost of those mentioned in this thread. This is a professional grade company, and they even offer kits for wide format printers used by graphics artists and professional photographers. (example:Espon Stylus Photo 10000). | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 21 18:55 | ||
| skith....Guess what I was gonna buy my CIS from Inksupply.com but it cost more than my printer....60 day waranty is Okay but I'm not secure with the hose in the top of the bottle thing....our cis kits use gravity (hoses at the bottom of the tanks) the MIS company has hoses in the top of the ink bottles....I don't know how reliable that is and I'm pleased with the $100 cis I bought....If you can afford the MIS cis kit...I think you should go for it because they are indeed professional grade and I feel comfortable with 100% american companies....federal law states that we can hold them to what they advertise....and file law suits for defective merchandise | ||
| Captain315 posted 2005 Apr 21 21:16 | ||
| osnola22:
The url is: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=51310& ... eName=WDVW I see that he's gone up to $49.95 or Buy It Now for $55.00. I don't know if the unit is a good one or not. I will have to wait and see what happens when AND IF I get it. He ships via the USPS and we all know how that can end up. Take a look at it and see if it interest you. | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 21 22:47 | ||
| Captain315....I am impressed with the wisdom you have used to find a dependable cis system....I am speaking with honesty....believe it or not that cis is indeed spongeless and it has a proper outlet valve....Even though there is a wapper on the front of it I can tell you the manufacturer is the same as the other cis (printonadime,printforless,toppy-jess) The box may say "BLUE FLY" and there's a flower like symbol on the top of the tanks...I can see it in the picture on E-Bay....thanks for looking past ill-minded advice that we all seemed to follow that ended up being a waste of our money and time....The tanks may be smaller than you think(I hope not)but even though my printonadime tanks are small it doesn't use alot of ink like the previous cis I was using...it doesn't leak and I don't worry about leaving it for a couple of days or walking away while it's printing(I print with the top down...No worries)....I don't have you shut it down to reset the ink levels...and It came with detailed instructions as well as a video-cd.....I hate to mention this again but the comany has a 30 day warranty,very good consumer care, and and their located in the U.S.A. ....This means that they can't advertise falsely....the only thing I don't like about that kit is the chipset goes back to 100% when it resets the inklevels but don't worry I think that you made a better choice this time...as always "WE'LL SEE" 8) | ||
| Captain315 posted 2005 Apr 21 23:17 | ||
| Yes Macro, I noticed the 100% also. He says it has the new chips so I'm just waiting for it to get here and see if it works like the others do. I just sent him a letter asking why the 22% increase in cost. He may tell me to kiss his a** but I have to ask. Unless it's justified, it just means that he's trying to make a killing off it. I don't mind paying for something but I sure do hate to be screwed and not get at least one kiss. :P
The $45 I paid was MORE than reasonable to me. Maybe he just feels like it should pay more for his time and effort. I wouldn't mind paying $55 if it's as good as he claims. He says it's the same system as the ones selling for $90 + . I hope I can come back in a couple of days and give a good PRELIMINARY report. Naturally, its longevity will have to be seen. I just caution anyone thinking of purchasing this unit to wait a few days until I get a chance to evaluate it and see what it will or won't do. Also, I'd like to see what his reaction will be to the letter I sent. He seems nice, but then, he IS a YANKEE. :lol: I would tend to be a little "ruffled" if I got such a letter (and I'm a die-hard CONFEDERATE). Just got the reply (took 10 minutes for him to reply). Hi Tom, well that was really an introductory price, we will lower the price again. Just waiting on large shipment to come in. Thank you, WHOLESALE_INK No too shabby for a YANKEE. :lol: Will be getting back to everyone that's interested just as soon as I can. Thanks for the nice letter Macro.... | ||
| nickelzy posted 2005 Apr 22 02:43 | ||
| Goodness gracious - I do appreciate your willingness and desire to inform and educate people about the CIS systems, but that latest post (and some of your others) are over the top and quite excessive. I don't mean this in a negative way, but I wonder (as I've read every post on this forum concerning CIS systems) why you are so unbelievalble zealous when it comes to CIS systems. Don't get me wrong, you are indeed helpful, but some of the comments you have made leave me scratching my head. | ||
| bidefordboy posted 2005 Apr 22 06:47 | ||
| As Macrovision said, it looks like a lot of the systems now becoming available are made by the same manufacturer, and being sold by different resellers.
Captain315, your system looks the same as the one I purchased frm Toppy-Jess. If it is then you got it at a good price. The reason I went for my system was that it is supposed to be fitted with the 90% chips which will avoid wasting ink when the levels reset. But I have'nt got there yet, my levels are about 50%. Will let you all know if it works. Also the ads can be a bit misleading. When I first looked at the Toppy-Jess ad on ebay I thought the tanks were 110ml, but the 110ml is actually what is in the tanks, in the tubing & in the carts. So I suppose the tanks alone are between 70ml & 90ml. Your system from wholesale-ink also has different mounting brackets than the Toppy-Jess system but should work just the same. At the moment I am very happy with my system which is running perfectly, and I have noticed that I am using a hell of a lot less ink than I was with my last system. | ||
| qlizard posted 2005 Apr 22 08:04 | ||
I don't want to get off topic, but who's to say what someone should feel passionate about? A lot of people feel strongly about wine, golf, and reality TV. I don't give a crap about them. I like football, food, and Pink Floyd and would bore you to tears about any one of them. Macro's on a roll here, and helping me out a lot. I appreciate the passion, especially when the intentions are good. | ||
| dmagic1 posted 2005 Apr 22 14:29 | ||
| So where would you say the best deal is on the new CIS with the 90%chips and with the valve-type carts?
I want atleast ~100ml tanks and ink included. | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 22 19:29 | ||
| I hate to post from back to back but I just wanted to say that my printonadime CIS auto-resetted to 100% for the second time...I will be using it alot for the next week or so and I think by the end of the next week it should re-set again and it better not be 100%...I did take one cart out because I saw an air gap(half an inch)between the cart and the hose...I resolved that issue but then it didn't do a auto-clean cycle the first time I turned it on but it did two auto-clean cycles the next two times I turned it on but hasn't done that again...on monday I'm gonna E-Mail the company because I don't like false advertising!!!!! | ||
| bidefordboy posted 2005 Apr 22 22:47 | ||
| dmagic1
The only system I can see at the moment on ebay that has 100ml tanks & 90% chips is the 'printonadime' one. With ink this would cost you $90. There is one by 'printforless' that has 100ml tanks, but the chips reset at 100%, also the ink is extra. You have to bid for it or email them and ask for a 'buy now' price. Macrovision I understand you have the smaller tanks. Is the ink stopper a clip on device or is it part of the moulding ? It would be a good idea if we could get a portable ink stopper that you could use on any system. Then if we did have a problem with our system & needed to stop the flow of ink, it could be clamped off near to the leak. Anyone got any idea's for a tool like this ? | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 23 00:11 | ||
| My ink stopper is actually a roller in a plastic housing that appears to be super glued on the side of the tanks it's made like a ramp with the tubes in the back...it actually looks easy to make if you have hobby equipment like a dremel...wood....like a minature rolling pin on a minature ramp..cool?
Ijust spent 10ml of ink and one hour fourty-five minutes cleaning my print-head nozzles by hand.....The nozzle check came back with lines missing in the light magenta area(next to yellow) and no matter how many clean cycles I ran it was the same results! So, out comes MR.WINDEX with ammonia D....A tiny squirt on each nozzle....(NOT TOO MUCH BECAUSE IT WILL CORRODE THE RIBBON CABLE UNDER THE CARRAIGE) I let it sit for about two minutes...used paper towels to dab the excess chemical....and BAM!!! GOOD AS NEW!!!!Perfect nozzle checks and perfect prints....I think it's caused by taking the carts out of the machine...It give the residual ink a chance to dry....I took them out to re-prime...That's when MR.TROUBLE showed up! | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 23 00:30 | ||
| Now once again I forgot to post something so please forgive two posts back to back....about what company has the best deal....DUM DE DUM DUM DA!!! My printonadime auto-resetted different colors at different times to 100%...the company advertises 90%...no-one was bothering the damn thing..I turned it off...turned it on later...NO PROBLEM...but the next time I turned it on it did that dreadful auto-clean cycle.....I'm so freakin' happy that I know how to detach the waste-pad (It has a spring and a hose underneath it)I rinse it off...dry it..and re-attach it every freakin time that happens.....Basically maintaining the printer because my previous print(also an R200) Gave "GENERAL ERROR" messages because of auto-clean causing ink to leak into the gears of the waste-pad...the movements are monitored by the printer and even if you reset the protection counter it will give the error message...cleaning the waste-pad is actually very easy once you do it!! I enjoy maintaining equipment anyway and yes I'm passionate about Electronics in general. Not to mention I expect it to do it's job 100%...not for me to do it's job 100%! | ||
| dmagic1 posted 2005 Apr 23 01:18 | ||
| @macrovision
You do know that little pad isn't the only waste pad? The main pads actually are very hard to remove and clean. There has been a good bit of discussion about this in the other topic, along with some mods to let the waste ink drain out. | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 23 11:40 | ||
| I know that the little pad isn't the only waste pad...I've taken the R200 completely apart and I can tell you that there is a waste pad on the far left...and in the bottom of the printer on the right...but the main waste pads are the two on the ridgt that contacts the print-head in the parking position the one that has the wiper blade on it is the most important one....it cleans the print-head of excess ink during printing(you'll see the printhead go there every 3 or 4 passes during dvd printing) modding this takes more than some speak about in this forum...as I've stated I know about the internal make-up of the R200 and the main waste-pad isn't asorbant and it has a tiny exit port on it....Ink will not pass through the opening easy and I'm afraid that the main pad with wet ink on it (not what's already drained... what's still on the pad)will eventually cause clogging in the nozzles so I don't give it a chance..."Better safe than sorry" | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 23 13:24 | ||
| Noe if you want to know a little more about the Epson "R" line (piezoelectric inkjet printers) look at this web page. http://www.wisegeek.com/how-do-inkjet-printers-work.htm and if you want more technical data just post your Inquiries...not that I know everything about my R200 but I might have more insight having successfully taken it completly apart and putting it back again and it still works properly...That's how I spend most of my days for the last 15+ years. | ||
| bidefordboy posted 2005 Apr 24 18:44 | ||
| Well guy's, I told you I would keep you updated on my 'Toppy-Jess' system. Here is part of what the 'Toppy-Jess' ad say's on ebay :-
Latest chipset that eliminates problems with previous chipsets. (This chipset will reset to 90% full when the ink meter drops below 10% without you having to restart your printer. This prevents unnecessary charging, save your even more money on ink and prolongs the life of your printer.) THESE SYSTEMS WILL NOT CLEAN THE PRINT HEAD AND CHARGE THE INK BEFORE EVERY USE! Well, my black has just reset to 100%, and the printer performed a cleaning cycle !!! I understand macrovision has the same chipset on his system purchased from 'Printonadime', this is what they say on their website :- New Chipset Features: THESE SYSTEMS WILL NOT CLEAN THE PRINT HEAD AND CHARGE THE INK BEFORE EVERY USE! The ink levels in the ink monitor will decrease as you print. When your ink levels drop below 10%, they will be reset to 90% full preventing any unnecessary charging of the printer. These new chipsets will save you even more money on ink and prolong the life of your printer. And as you all know, his system reset to 100% & performed a cleaning cycle. Do the manufacturer's of these system's think we are all mug's ? | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 24 18:48 | ||
| I received an E-Mail from they printonadime company...according to what knowledge I've gained through my CIS research/knowledge of electronics my auto-reset problem transpires from turning my printer off prior to the reset...The spokesperson was too nice about it stating that He/She would "rather close-down the company before falsely advertising" and "would send me replacement auto-reset chips or send me the ones off the printer that they use if I continue to have the auto-rest problem" I feel bad....not because I was wrong but because I wasn't trying to accuse any-one of anything...I know that the actual manufacturer of the printonadime most likely isn't the company that sell the CIS and I also know that the auto-reset technology cannot keep track of the ink levels if the printer is off and if it's off before the chips get a chance to reset, While the levels are low enough( 15%-11%) they may indeed think that there's an error and reset to 100%...Sorry if my comments were misunderstood, My point about false advertising were meant to insure consumers that read this forum that by law if you buy anything from any company in the United States Of America that Federal law requires the company to advertise truthfully or they can be held accountable for any defects...this means your entitled to getting your money back plus any other fees accured during the problem...I.E. Court fees and other expenses...Cartridges,New Printer,E.C.T.....I love the hospitality Printonadime has shown me and I truly feel bad for the misunderstanding! SORRY! | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 24 18:54 | ||
| Sorry to post immediately but I left out the main point...The printer needs to be left on all the time...It won't do an auto-clean cycle if you turn it off while the levels are ALL High (90%-25%) but when they fall lower than that the printer needs to be left on until all chips reset to 90% then you can turn it off...I'm never gonna turn mines off...The R200 is known as the disposable printer anyway! | ||
| bidefordboy posted 2005 Apr 24 18:56 | ||
| Well macrovision ,my printer is never off & yet it still reset to 100% & performed a cleaning cycle.
Will email 'Toppy-Jess' & see what they say. | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 24 19:45 | ||
| Bidefordboy, If that happens to me I'll contact printonadime...they said it could be a mistake on the Original manufacturers behalf and that they will rectify the situation by sending me replacement chips...even offered me a generous discount on my next purchase....I maintain all of my equipment so to ME it's not really a big deal but I'll see what's what and post regularly! and bidefordboy if you have needle nosed pliers and no waste mod I can tell you how to maintain the waste pad in detail...It'll keep you happy!! :oops: | ||
| bidefordboy posted 2005 Apr 24 20:01 | ||
| Hi macrovision.
Like you I am not that upset about the chips not reseting as they should. What annoy's me is all the false advertising that go's on nowaday's. A lot of these company's are only in it to make a quick buck. When the s**t hit's the fan they just move on to some other scam. It is up to the people that come to forum's like this to catch them out before they make too much profit. If I had a company that was selling something made by someone else I would make sure the item performed as advertised before putting my name on it. Anyway I will keep you posted. | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 24 22:19 | ||
| Bidefordboy, I noticed the yin and yang...very well said....Even in your attitude...The chipset is supposed to be type 2....a newer chipset....my main concern is the cart and tank construction because I'm experienced in servicing electronic equipment of all types...the autoreset chips are so sensitive that handling them with bare-hands will destoy them...this includes the Epson chips from the OEM carts....My advice is what I was taught...you might have heard it before....."If you take care of your car....it will take care of you"...I maintain my printer so much that if you saw it you'll think it was fresh out of the box...my waste pad looks new because every-time the unit does an auto-wastemyink cleaning I pull the waste-pad...wash all of my beloved ink off...dry the waste pad and re-insert it...(that's the one with the black casing)I also clean the white one from time to time....It takes about 3 minutes to do and my printer remains faithful to this day! If it autoresets to 100% again(on all the time) then I'll take printonadime up on the replacement chip offer! Here's a quote from the E-mail:
Well, first of all, I must say thank you again for your support on the Videohelp forum. That was a very interesting set of threads that I just read. And while I have you, I'll go ahead and reply to your last thread under the "Best CIS?..." topic. I have never, nor will I ever falsely advertise to you or anyone else. I will gladly shut this business down before I ever stoop so low as to mislead my customers. I can honestly tell you that if you ever receive something different than what was advertised, either one of two things happened. First, I either made a mistake in my ad. Or, two, I was sent the wrong item from my supplier and it passed as the original. Either way, I will make the sale right!!! Now, that being said, I will attempt to answer your question pertaining to the 100% full problem you are having. I saw in the forum that you had just removed one of your cartridges prior to resetting the ink levels. Is that correct? If so, that may be the cause for the ink lever resetting back to 100% and performing the cleanings. However, if that is not the case, then lets move on. I see that you turned your printer off and back on again in order to reset the ink levels. You should not have to do this. I know that the instructions tell you to do so, but you should not. What happened there is, the first systems my partner and I started selling required you to turn the printer off and back on again in order to reset the ink levels. You should not have to do that with your system. The systems we sell now should reset automatically on their own once they reach 10%. I can tell you that my system resets itself with my having to turn the printer off. I need to remove that section from the instructions. If for some reason your system does not reset itself, then let me know. I will send you a set of new chips. If I have to, I'll send you the chips off my system. Like I said before, I will never falsely advertise anything that I sell. I don't need money that bad to lower myself to that standard. You have my word on that! | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 24 22:22 | ||
| I'm still Happy...Look Ma! No Leaks! | ||
| bidefordboy posted 2005 Apr 25 06:52 | ||
| Still waiting for a reply from 'Toppy-Jess'.
Macrovision, what was that advice you were going to give me on maintaining the waste pad ? . I don't have a waste bottle attached yet, something I have been meaning to do. My waste ink counter is on 55%. | ||
| bidefordboy posted 2005 Apr 25 11:13 | ||
| Still waiting for a reply.
My Lt.Magenta has just reset to 100% & printer performed another cleaning cycle. Have emailed 'Toppy-Jess' again. | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 25 11:24 | ||
| I pm you in an hour bidefordboy | ||
| bidefordboy posted 2005 Apr 25 17:37 | ||
| Yellow has just reset, another cleaning cycle.
This is just to show you all how wastefull it is when the chip's reset to 100% each time. The colour's are all usually pretty close when the monitor read's approx 10%, so if you have a batch of pic's to print out you could end up doing 6 head clean's within a hour. Have received no reply's to my emails to 'Toppy-Jess', so cannot recommend this system to anyone at the moment. Waste ink counter now on 57%. | ||
| bidefordboy posted 2005 Apr 25 18:36 | ||
| Lt.Cyan has just reset, another cleaning cycle.
Waste ink counter now on 58%. It's ok guy's, won't bother you with cyan & magenta :-) | ||
| bidefordboy posted 2005 Apr 25 19:44 | ||
| Just received a email from Toppy-Jess', will remind you of what they say in their ad on ebay :-
Latest chipset that eliminates problems with previous chipsets. (This chipset will reset to 90% full when the ink meter drops below 10% without you having to restart your printer. This prevents unnecessary charging, save your even more money on ink and prolongs the life of your printer.) This is what they say in their email :- Dear customer, Our "Non-clean printer-head" Chip is designed to protect the printer-head. If the printer-head is cleared each time you turn off the printer, it will speedup the ageing of printer-head and waste more ink. This kind of chips shall read the ink level. When there is only 10% ink left, pls turn off the printer and switch back on, the chips shall be full again. Thanks toppy-jess I know it's late here (01.43am), but am I missing something ? | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 25 22:03 | ||
| Lier,Lier...pants on fire...Bullshi*...oops I almost typed everthing I was thinking....Bidefordboy...goto the printer settings menu...choose speed and progress...and check disable status monitor 3.....now try the ssc utility....right click the taskbar icon...(looks like a printer)....and choose the automatic ink freezer(make sure it's checked)...let us know if that works.....SOOO MUCH BULLS**T IN THE WORLD......Maintaining!!!!! | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 25 23:18 | ||
| Bidefordboy...I think that the Epson status monitor thinks it's smart...I disabled mines...I printed about 10 full color DVD's and when I was finished enabled the status monitor and my ink levels were the same as when I started printing.....don't forget to reset the protection counter when you clean the waste pad.....everytime that is! and also enable the automatic ink freezer...I've read the help section of the ssc utility and it say's it'll remember the ink counter values if you disable the Epson status monitor and enable the auto-freezer...remember to check the start-up with windows in the main window of the ssc service utility(I trust this program more than I trust the auto-reset chips)...you can get it here: http://www.ssclg.com/epsone.shtml. If you wanna know what I think..."The world offers a chance to SH*T.... that's what we get after we eat!"....I would clean my waste pad at this point Bidefordboy...Stop being scared...print the directions I sent you...as you know "practice makes perfect" Once you do it a couple of times you will understand that maintenance is the key to equipment survival and maintaining the R200 is rather easy...I don't care if mines auto-cleans every once in a while because I pull the waste pad and rinse it immediately...I get perfect nozzle checks till this day and I adore my printer...It's like cheating on my Girl!!!!! And I think the printer likes it!!! | ||
| bidefordboy posted 2005 Apr 26 04:21 | ||
| Yep, it's me again. Yesterday I sent 'Toppy-Jess' another email, here is a copy :-
In your ad on ebay you state :- > > Latest chipset that eliminates problems with > previous chipsets. (This > chipset will reset to 90% full when the ink meter > drops below 10% without > you having to restart your printer. This prevents > unnecessary charging, save > your even more money on ink and prolongs the life of > your printer.) > > So in your ad it states that the ink levels will > reset to 90% without having > to turn the printer off. but in this email you are > saying that when the ink > levels reach 10% I should turn off the printer & the > levels will reset when > I turn it back on again !!! > > The reason I purchased the cis from you instead of > other sellers was because > your ad stated that the ink levels would reset to > 90%, which, because I use > my printer a lot, would save me a lot of ink by > avoiding repeated head > cleans. But they do not reset to 90%, they reset to > 100%. So they cannot be > the latest chip's as stated in you ad. > This morning I received a email from them :- Dear customer, We apologize for our mistakes and the inconveniences that caused you. Due to our recent switch of suppliers for our product, we have just found out from our customers that the chipset which we have from our new supplier were not the latest chipset that we've ordered. Because of this mistake, we are willing to offer you one set of refill-ink (600ml) at free of charge. we hope that it would recompense your lost. The refill ink will be shipped tomorrow. You should be receiving them very soon. Sorry for the inconvenience again. Toppy-jess This is great new's for me, as the system is running so sweet I did'nt want to remove it. Will be fitting the waste ink bottle later on today. Macrovision, thanks very much for all your help. I will get around to cleaning the waste pad's as you suggested soon. Now I wonder where I could get a set of the latest chip's. Any suggestions.? | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 26 05:31 | ||
| Bidefordboy....I hate to say this but...you don't wanna know....not only is it $90 for all 6 chips but as I've posted...they must be handled carefully...Anti-Static wrist strap carefully! you can get them from http://www.colorbat.com or http://www.inksupply.com ....remember to print those instructions before removing the watse pad...Oh!! and "WHAT AN EXCUSE"....I wanted to post last time that when I saw the Toppy-Jess posting on E-Bay it stated that the company was in the U.S.A. but If I remember correctly you stated that the kit was shipped to you from china? Anyways "WHAT A BITC*" USE THE SSC UTILITY AS I RECOMMENDED BECAUSE AT THIS POINT YOU CAN'T LOSE ANYMORE....USE THE INK FREEZER COMMAND. :x :idea: And by the way...I informed you that the construction of the CIS carts was the main issue.....My tanks are small (30ml) but I can print about 150 full color dvd's before I need to refill....and If I ever need to re-prime the carts I don't have to worry about breaking it.....I hate the auto-reset issue because It's the only problem....before it was leaks and routing :evil: thanks to the geniouses that suggested electrical tape,dvd case spines,and hot glue to route the tubes :roll: what were we supposed to do with the clips...leave them in the box/throw them away? :idea: Ingenious! Last but not least...I found another interesting link here: http://inksupply.info/index.php?_a=knowledgebase ........BYE! | ||
| bidefordboy posted 2005 Apr 26 19:56 | ||
| Thank's again macrovision. But I have tried using the SSC Utility before & could'nt get it to work on my r300. I did disable the monitor & tried to use the 'ink freezer' function. I also enabled it to start up with Windows, but no luck.
But earlier I was looking through the older post's & found one by 'dmagic1' :- Press the ink button on the printer. Once the carriage moves to the exchange position press the ink button again. Next time you print, the carts at 1/4 and lower should reset. I had forgotten all about it. Anyway I tried it. On the r300 you do the following := Press ink button Press OK Press OK again When carriage is in exchange position press OK again Then press OK again And lo & behold when I opened up the monitor both my cyan & magenta carts (which were both just below the 1/4 mark) had reset to full :-). And I had only just finished fixing my waste ink bottle. So it look's like all problem's solved for the time being. Also Mac, I see what you mean about the price of the chip's. They cost as much as a complete system at the moment. Have also asked 'Toppy-Jess' if he could supply a set of the latest chip's at the right price. Will let you know if i get a responce. | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 26 22:10 | ||
| They should send the chips to you for free....that's what printonadime said they'll do for me....it's not your fault...why should you pay twice? | ||
| thespook posted 2005 Apr 27 11:48 | ||
| Hi
I have the R300 and I use the SSC service utility but I did find this advice on the web quote Press and hold 'stop' 'maintenance' and 'power' buttons for about 10 seconds, a message will come on the screen saying counter is reset and to turn off. Thats it I tried it and it works on the R300, don't know about the R200 | ||
| bidefordboy posted 2005 Apr 27 13:23 | ||
| Hi mate.
Have you still got this system http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7510877175 ... :1:1v_home only with dye ink . How is it going ? Any prob's with the ink from http://www.dpsoftware.com ? I still have 200mls of it (each colour), and 'Toppy-Jess' has just dispatched another 100ml of each colour, so I should be ok for a while :-). The tip is cetainly the quickest way to reset the ink counter. I see you use the SSC service utility on you r300. Can you get the 'ink freezer' function to work ? | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 27 13:59 | ||
| I will research the r300....I hate that it uses the same carts but not the same software!!! will post results tommorrow! | ||
| thespook posted 2005 Apr 27 14:55 | ||
| Hi bidefordboy
yes I am using that system with no problems at all and I find his inks very good, thanks for putting me on to him. I had a problem installing the SCC program, I think I had to uninstall the Epson printer then reinstall it but with just the drivers,(minus the ink monitor) then I installed the SCC and it went in ok, and yes I use the ink freezer and it seems to work fine. I tried it without the freezer and the printer started to do to many cleaning cycles so I went back to the freezer. I am glad the tip worked for you. :) | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 27 22:44 | ||
| Just wanted to post something I was E-Mailed from printonadime....I was told that the ink levels will appear to be 100% but in fact be 90% however I need to leave the printer on...the person stated that if I leave my R200 on and still have the problem that they'll send me the chips off their system because their system resets to 90% and never autocleans....I believe them! Good service...The best I've ever had!!Thanks Printonadime!!!!!! And Bidefordboy...It sounds like you only have to remember to use those steps when your levels are 1/4 down and you won't have autocleaning issues....am I right? I'm leaving mines on because I'm gonna do a shi*load of printing for the next couple of weeks..it will reset...I know that and I'll post what it does! :roll: | ||
| bidefordboy posted 2005 Apr 28 10:39 | ||
| Hey Macrovision
Hope your chip's reset ok this time. When mine reset I checked the level's with a programme I got from the Ozmod's site (Epson Service Utility), & the black level was 98%, but this was after the printer had done a cleaning cycle, so it had reset to 100%. The 'dmagic1' tip mentioned in my next to last post certainly reset my cyan & magenta, & the printer did'nt perform a cleaning cycle. But will wait untill I have tried it a few more time's before I can say it work's 100%. The trick is to catch the level's just before they reset automatically. My cyan & magenta were just below 1/4. The Epson service utility at the Ozmod's site is for the r300, but I think the r200 & r300 are the same internally. Why not get it & try it out. You will need to register (it's free), & look in the Firmware & Utilities section. | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 28 20:58 | ||
| Thanks Bidefordboy....I have 2 R200's and an Hp psc1210....I wanted to know about the R300 to help you... If I buy another epson It'll be an R800 but the CIS for it is very Expensive.... More than twice the cost of the printer!.... I've been at the DVD printing thing for about 10 Hours!!! My ink levels hardly moved.... Maybe it's because I haven't turned my printer off in 24hrs....This is confusing me because I've printed about 20 full color DVD's... Ive got 30 more to go!!! GOOD GRIEF! | ||
| Skith posted 2005 Apr 28 22:17 | ||
| I could be mistaken, but I believe I read somewhere that epson printers should be left powered "on." It has something to do with providing a small amount of electric current to the print head in order to prevent nozzle clogging. The epson printers use a small electric charge to create the ink droplets that form an image.
This might have some impact on how often the printheads need to be cleaned, if it is indeed correct. | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 28 23:54 | ||
| Yes, The actual printhead Is manufacturered by Seiko(The watch company) and it's a piezoelectric element...basically a cross between a transistor and Quartz....Quartz is a crystal used in clocks as you may know but it's also used as the speaker in PDA's,Beepers,and of course digital watches...now it's used to open and close microscopic nozzels in the printhead and it works simular to the way transistors work, So I think you might be on to something but as a tech(still doing odd jobs on the side and Maintenance at work) I don't like to leave equipment like this on because it contains power transistors that rectify voltage and also regulates voltage.... These transistors have to be heat sinked properly because they heat up...some need constant ventilation others are made with an internal thermosister....this part shuts it down if it gets too hot.....I believe that equipment will last longer if you shut it down except in this case and a few others for example computers need to be left on or at least in stand by mode. As for the printer placing a charge on the printhead...I don't believe so, Because the charge would release ink....I heard that printing something every day or so helps the most......Even when my printer was new it did the intial charging...I pulled the waste pad and cleaned it because the head parks over the waste pad when the printer is in use and all I can see is my new printhead over or on all of that wasted ink...AHHHH!....I leave my printer on now for the sake of the auto-reset chips but any autocleans and the waste pad is getting cleaned...I get perfect nozzle checks till this very day!!! And now I really love my R200....NO LIE!!!! :D :shock: | ||
| Idle posted 2005 Apr 29 00:05 | ||
| Well, I just learned something too.
After running fine for about six weeks, my CIS has packed it in and won't be getting re-installed. It's not the JLW set, but came from 2004wangchun (W CHAN - TINSHUIWAI,, NT Hong Kong) -- one Jacky Chan Wang Chun. Would have got the JLW, but for some reason he didn't come up on an Ebay search that day. Looks like the same unit tho'. Two days ago the R310 started printing garbage photo's -- I found the cyan wasn't feeding. No amount of head cleaning made any difference -- it wouldn't discharge a solitary dot, but the other five heads were fine. Pulled the cart, could suck ink through no problem, cart was full anyway, but still no trace of cyan when put back, which didn't suggest a head clog or air lock (after running Epson inkjets ever since the original Epson Color, I know my way around those) but something more serious. Pulled it again, cleaned the chip contacts (wasn't getting any error messages, so this was sort of a last try) -- didn't expect any result from this & was right. Took the whole unit out and installed the (still new) OEM set -- perfect nozzle check at first try. Took the CIS out to the workshop, where I can splash ink around without fear of retribution and checked the ink flow again -- still no problem, sucked through quite easily and the cart is definitely full, so I guess it's most likely a failed chip. Then I picked the outfit up to put it in a box and got yellow ink all over my hands -- leaking "valve" (quotes intentional) and quick cleanup needed. As I said, it won't be going back in. So, back to the drawing board -- anyone got a sensible suggestion for replacement (I'm in Australia, so most of the stuff stocked in the US isn't an option and all I've seen locally so far costs more than the printer, so it's pretty much Hong Kong stuff.) Incidentally, I fooled myself a bit (and took longer to find the problem) by running the MIS purge test, which printed all six colour strips and had me really scratching my head -- how could it print cyan when there wasn't any? Looks like it doesn't print from a single cartridge at all, but in fact mixes colours. | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 29 17:54 | ||
| I've seen aussie cis web sites before...I found one http://www.ausmedia.com.au/epson_cis_system.htm :) or this one http://www.sinopis.com.au/products.php?type=fullset_epson :D | ||
| bidefordboy posted 2005 Apr 29 19:28 | ||
| @ Idle
If you go back through my previous post's you will see I had the JWLSales system on my r300 untll I had similar problems with it. It is the same system as you purchased. In fact because the guy you purchased your's from was selling it cheaper, JWL had to reduce his price to compete. His original price was $95 (which is what I paid). The system I have now (Toppy-Jess) is descibed on page one, with information on how I have it fitted. The system is available from different seller's on ebay at different prices. All I can say is that it is running perfectly at the moment, & uses a helluva lot less ink than the JWL kit. The only problem I had was that it was supplied with the wrong chip's, so if you are considering this system then email the seller before purchase to make sure it is fitted with the 90% chip's. I know he ship's worldwide for $35. | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 29 21:43 | ||
| I know what you mean Bidefordboy, My printonadime kit uses less ink also...I've printed almost 50 full face color DVD's over the past two days and my tanks are only 30ml...It took about an inch off the top and when you look at the fact that it did two massive autocleanings before I left it on all the time It used most of the ink doing the autocleans...as a matter of a fact I've been trying to make it autoreset to see if it will be at 90% and after 50 DVD's the levels seem to be the same so I used the ssc service utility to check the percentage and it only dropped about 4 percent....WOW! | ||
| Idle posted 2005 Apr 30 05:30 | ||
Thanks for the replies.
Yes, I've looked at those in the past. AUSMEDIA (AKA 'The Scanner Place', 'The Scanner and Printer Place' etc.) is only ten minutes drive from my home and I've bought various items from them in the past. Their kit is $99 Australian for what is basically a hobby-shop box of parts -- you even have to fit your own cartridge chips, connect and seal your own tubes etc., fill and prime the set, plus it uses ordinary (read 'awkward, easy-spill') bottles and ink is extra. Their (probably very good) ink is highly priced -- 125 mil of each colour will cost you the price of an R310 printer, complete with a set of OEM carts (I can get ink delivered from Sydney at $69 per litre, $414 for the set of 6 -- trouble is, I can't see it first and got no reply to an exploratory email...) SINOPIS is again obviously Chinese (Sino means Chinese, pis might refer to the Chinese ink -- a lot of what I've seen smells like it...) (Permanent Ink System, actually.) Their unit looks good, there's lots of information on setup and use, but when you really look there's little to be learned about its quality, no information on price, and hardest of all: Where can you get it? They seem to be mostly looking for resellers. I did find it on Ebay at (from memory) $180 or $190 with ink -- 60 mil bottles I think. I'm somewhat intrigued by the way they fit it to the R series printers -- looks neat and fits on the left side, which is exactly where it should be on the R300's with all the controls on the right. Might try one if I can get my hands on it. The other one I'm sure of here (Ozmods) currently shows 'no stock' and pricing is generally similar to Ausmedia. I did order a few ARC chips from Steve just to play with -- who knows, it might not be all that hard to fit the tanks and tubes from the existing unit to a spent set of OEM carts, which ought to fix the valving problem. Depends on how hard it is to remove the OEM chips, of course. Again, might try the Toppy-Jess unit, but he charges $US10 more for shipping (from Hong Kong? -- looks like it is, even though he says US) than the competition with no indication that the cartridges are any better than those I already have, which are obviously crap. So far it's been an interesting exercise and I've lost little or nothing, for I did use about two sets worth of the Chinese ink before the thing fell over -- still have quite a bit left, of course. In passing, I re-printed a couple of photos with the OEM ink at the same settings and compared them with the smelly Chinese stuff -- there's quite a difference, but nothing you couldn't profile out. | ||
| Acrimony posted 2005 Apr 30 07:18 | ||
| For those of you talking about the head cleanings after the chip resets, Try this. I'm currently using the JLWSales kit, purchased about a month ago. When my ink goes below 20% I simply treat it as if I was replacing the carts. Hit the button that brings the carriage to the refill position, and hit it agian so it goes back. Then check your ink in the Epson utility. It will be full and does NOT do a cleaning cycle.
I was doing the, turn the printer off and back on, deal in order to reset the carts and of course it was doing a cleaning cycle everytime. I've done it the standard cart replacement way to all 6 carts now and every single one of them reset to 100% without doing a cleaning cycle. Also let me add that I have had only a few issues with my JLWSales kit. Occassionaly when the cart reports that ink is low I will get ink drops on my prints. But as soon as the cart resets it's fine (and it's not doing a cleaning cycle so it's not that). I'm thinking about ordering a new CIS though once the ink runs out on this one, as I'd much rather own one from an American company, so that if any problems arise it won't be as much of a hassle as dealing with someone who doesn't speak English all that well and lives half a world a way. Macro: Can you share the info you PM'd about cleaning the waste pads? | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 30 10:05 | ||
| Acimony, I posted the directions in the jlwsales R200 cis review forum on page 26.....And of course thanks for the info on resetting problems! | ||
| Acrimony posted 2005 Apr 30 14:57 | ||
| Do you by any chance have a service manual for the R200/R300 macro? I want to take mine apart and clean everything up as there appears to be some ink that leaked into other parts. Plus there is another pad on the left hand side that needs cleaning.
I can't figure out how to get the housing off of this damn thing though, and searching google has been fruitless as I can't find a service manual for this printer anywhere. If you happen to have one, or can instruct me on how to remove the housing I'd really appreciate it. | ||
| bidefordboy posted 2005 Apr 30 16:33 | ||
| The full service manuel for the r300 is available here :-
http://forum.ozmods.com/ You will have to register first. It's in the Firmware & Utilities section. | ||
| ekiny3k posted 2005 Apr 30 17:58 | ||
| I have a set of pigment 8 color ink from JLWsales. I bought from him for $110, but my printer got some errors, and i haven't used the ink. I would sell it back for $65.00 included shipping. If you want it, please email me at gonsongtinhyeu@yahoo.com. Thank you. | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 30 18:02 | ||
| Bidefordboy...You scare me.....you know where to get service manuals...are you a technician? Getting the housing off is meaningless unless your a tech because the insides has so many screws and smaller important parts(springs..ect.) not to mention the chassis upon chassis construction that it looks like NASA put it together for Epson! | ||
| bidefordboy posted 2005 Apr 30 20:02 | ||
| Hi again Mac,
Before I purchased my first cis I did a google search, just typed in 'continuous ink system', & started checking out all the sites. Actually, the first one I looked at was this one :- http://www.eddiem.com/photo/CIS/cis.htm It nearly put me off the whole idea, so ugly. :-) But I suppose that's how they all started. Then I spotted the one sold by ozmod's (they have stopped selling them now), and was quite impressed at the time so I registered because that was the only way you could get the good stuff. Downloaded the manuel, but when I saw how complicated it was inside I did'nt bother to even open my printer. Would rather get my information from guy's like you that have plenty of practical experience. | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 Apr 30 21:03 | ||
| That's a nice way of putting things Bidefordboy...Thank you....I've noticed your CHI.....very Disciplined so you still scare me! | ||
| Acrimony posted 2005 May 01 04:02 | ||
I don't mean to sound condescending (honestly), but saying someone is a "tech" is a fairly meaningless phrase these days. The majoirty of people you run across on hardware forums aren't "techs", but most know more than any technician you'll find in a shop. They simply didn't take the time or money to go to some class or trade school for a piece of paper verifying their ability. I'm no certified tech, but I'm not a fool either. I know my way around hardware and have taken many things apart before. Right now I'm just having difficulty removing the housing, because it doesn't want to seem to come off of the top part of the shell. I've tried looking for screws to remove but can't see or feel any. By top part of the shell I'm referring to the silver piece on each side, the bottom simply pops off when you push it over the feet, but the top appears to be glued to the black casing underneath it. I managed to find that R300 manual last night, unfortunately the assembly of the housing is quite different since it has the LCD on it. The R300 housing actually looks alot easier to take apart. If I could just figure out how to get the top part of the shell to come off I'd be on my way to tinkering with it. | ||
| bb-q posted 2005 May 01 10:46 | ||
| I just bought this
http://www.echostore.com/continuous-ink-supply-system-r200-r300.html I almost got this one though http://businessservicespro.com/epsonpage.html anyone have any feedback on these | ||
| bidefordboy posted 2005 May 01 12:04 | ||
| hi bb-q,
The system you have is manufactured by the same company in china as the system's owned by 'macrovision' & myself. Macrovision purchased his from 'printonadime' & mine was from 'Toppy-Jess'. On the instruction cd that came with mine they have details of the three system's :- MT series 100ml tanks XM series 70ml tanks TL series 40ml tanks The cart's are the same, but can have different chip's. No one has posted any comment's on the system with the 100ml tanks yet. | ||
| bb-q posted 2005 May 01 12:32 | ||
| heh so I am the guniea pig? great oh well. They answered all of my questions about the system. And even changed their site info and pic because of that. I am extremely pleased with the feedback from this company so I am looking forward to great things from this CIS | ||
| bb-q posted 2005 May 01 12:33 | ||
| I do have one question though. If for some reason your print heads get clogged using a CIS and cannot be cleaned with clean routines. How do u clean the nozzles, replaces the ink with solvent solution? Also where do u guys get your refills. Looking for 100ml refill bttles with high quality ink. Don't really want to spend more than $10 a bottle, need cheap shiping and can not be from Ebay. | ||
| dun4cheap posted 2005 May 01 13:58 | ||
| I just bought another CIS system which is identical to my other one. I also purchase refillable inks for it as well. I purchased them on ebay, but the company I purchased it from also has a web page that they sell from. It was matrixink.com. A full set of UV proof refills were $35 with syringes. | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 May 01 14:54 | ||
| BB-Q, DONOT USE SOLVENTS! Cleaning clogged nozzles is a little bit tricky but easy if you listen clearly....WARNING: There are two ribbon cables under the carraige....TOO Much of any corrosive chemical will destroy these cables! Corrosive chemicals are: Water,Alcohol,Bleach,Ammonia,Cleaning solution...ECT.! Follow these instructions carefully! To manually clean the nozzles use windex that has Ammonia D in it's formula...Carefully spray very little of it only on the cones...when you spray DONOT PULL THE TRIGGER ALL THE WAY simply pull enough to release as little chemical as possible... DONOT saturate the entire nozzle compartment as it will leak into the printer and possibly into the printhead retainer causing corrosion to the ribbon cables...The cones should have ONLY be damp...NOT soaked! And EACH ring at the round base SHOULD NOT HAVE ENOUGH CHEMICAL TO EXTEND TO THE NEXT RING.... Leave the chemical on the cones for only 3-5 minutes (YOU may want to use a syringe to apply the windex...Use only 2-3 small drops for each cone!) After 3-5 minutes insert the ink carts and use the ssc service utility to run a powerful cleaning(RUN ONLY ONE CLEANING CYCLE!) USE THE PRINTER TO DO A NOZZLE CHECK BEFORE EVERY PRINT JOB AND IF YOU ONLY PRINT ONCE IN A WHILE PRINT A NOZZLE CHECK EVERY OTHER DAY WHILE THE PRINTER IS IDLE(NOT BEING USED)ACRIMONY, As for being a tech....most of us know more than techs because they study for a purpose...we study for exploration...book knowledge is O.K. but hands on experience is the best teacher!! I remember the issue with the casing and your right...It's glued on but it may be double sided tape construction holding it...you need to examine the entire casing under good lighting....but I'll take a look at it later and post the results...I only took the chassis apart...rod and everything...took out the printhead(the problem) and reassembled it... I Didn't need to go any further...AND Dun4, I called Epson and Pigment ink will wash off DVD's with water just like the R200/R300 dye ink! That's what the Tech told me! | ||
| bb-q posted 2005 May 01 15:53 | ||
| I have to take the printer apart? lol I did that to the first one I bought, ruined it. What about the cleaner carts that are available online. Or what about just replacing the ink carts with epson OEM Ink which have chemecials in it to clean nozzles of course they would cost as much as a new printer but still. | ||
| bidefordboy posted 2005 May 01 16:27 | ||
| bb-q.
Never had a problem with blocked heads (yet), you may get some help from here :- http://inksupply.info/index.php?_a=knowledgebase&_j=questiond ... nd%20Terms macrovision. Have your level's reset again yet, if so what happened ? I was too late to catch my black, so it did a clean. Thought I had caught the Lt.Magenta, it reset ok without cleaning, but when I printed my next cover it did a auto clean first. It's not so much of a worry now that I have the waste bottle fitted, but still a waste. | ||
| macrovision posted 2005 May 01 19:11 | ||
| Bidefordboy....I did another 15 full face color dvd's last night and still no reset.... I noticed the levels moved about 6% less even though I did about 60 full face color dvd's.... I don't know how I'm doing so many but use so little ink...my former OEM carts would have dried up by now but on a more disappointing note I learned through the MIS help site I posted that the Epsons have more than one type of auto-clean cycle and I've noticed in the past as well as last night that my printer did a short auto-clean cycle even though the levels didn't reset...according to what I read the printers firmware tells it to do an auto-clean cycle at different times...not only when a new cart is inserted...the short cycle didn't waste much ink but still I pulled the waste pad and cleaned it...."I can't stand my precious printhead in all that waste ink". :evil: | ||
| Idle posted 2005 May 02 00:31 | ||
| Well, it looks like I have to decide between the SinoPIS and Toppy-Jess (Shenzhen Microtec) if I want to replace the failed CIS.
Emailed both, got a reply from Mark at SinoPIS Australia, was ignored by Toppy-Jess. SinoPIS unit with 660ml of US-made ink lists at $AU260, they offered me a 'special price' of $235 (plus unspecified delivery charge, probably around $AU10) -- this exactly equals the price I paid for the printer & OEM carts. It does look like a quality unit, is stocked in Australia (albeit 2000 miles away...) and comes with warranty. Toppy-Jess is $US64.99 buy-it-now + $US35 delivery = about $AU133. Looks like this could be cut a few $ by bidding one in -- but no reply to email isn't a good sign IMHO. Might be I asked questions they don't wish to answer (does it come with the 90% chips? why does it cost $US10 more to ship to Australia than the US when Hong Kong to Australia is shorter and cheaper? (I think they do ship from HK -- go through their Ebay comment listing and several people comment on quick delivery from HK to where-ever), do the cartridges have proper outlet seals with springs?) What fun :) | ||
| Acrimony posted 2005 May 02 03:12 | ||
| I went ahead and ordered a new CIS. I took out my JLWSales kit yesterday and there was black ink all in the carriage, I had to sit the cartridge on a cloth because ink just kept leaking out. I assume the rubber gasket on the bottom has failed. Fortunately I happened to be taking them out, other wise I might have had it leak all over my printer. I E-Mailed JLWSales to see about a full or even partial refund, since I used about half of the ink but we'll see how that turns out.
I E-Mailed Robert from printonadime, and got a response within 2 hours. After trading a few E-Mails with him I decided to go ahead and order one from him. I'm getting one of their 100mL systems, judging from the pics he sent me it looks to be of better build quality than the one from JLWSales. Hopefully I'll get it before weeks end let you all know how it compares. | ||
| Idle posted 2005 May 02 04:44 | ||
Yes, I had a good look at the 'O' rings in the one I just pulled out -- they're awful. :-x Speaking as one who understands seals and fluid handling pretty well -- grew up on a dairy farm, did an apprenticeship screwing up nuts (motor mechanic), ran an industrial laundry for 25 years, have an engine-driver's steam ticket -- I wouldn't use them as spacers, let alone seals. And I did have to clean black ink out of the printer mechanism after I removed it -- perhaps I'm lucky it failed when it did. Explains why the black bottle seemed to be going down too fast... Oh well, you live and learn. Mind you, with only very minor changes to the cartridges the JLWSales/Wangchun kit could be one of the best on the market -- might cost about an extra dollar or less at the point of manufacture. All it would entail is the difference between useless and half-way reasonable 'O' rings, a slight modification to the sealing valves, a couple of plastic strips inside the cartridges to minimise ink surge and about three inches more tubing. I really like that modified Mariotte system in the supply bottles -- it should work very well for a long time. The chip failure in the cyan cartridge could happen to anybody (but WHY ME--!? :evil:), and it would be a simple matter to replace. | ||
| pixiemom posted 2005 May 02 05:21 | ||
| How about this site:
http://inkjetsusa.com/ Their description of their manufacturing methods is impressive, as is their ink guarantee (if the ink batch is bad, they replace ink **and** CIS system). The CIS bottles look like the Toppy-Jess and printonadime bottles, but they're 125 ml. here is their eBay auction: |