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Samsung SH-S203N SATA DVD Burner stops responding during burns?

1wheelken posted 2008 Jan 12 17:59
Hi,

So I just added a Samsung SH-S203N (SATA) drive to my box... It reads & rips fine, but every time I tried to burn a ISO file to a DVD, with DVD Decrypter (3.5.4, older free version), the drive just stops responding. The speed and write rate drop to zero, and the process status bar just stays where it's currently at. The program does not lock up and allows you to access it, but the burner just keeps spinning and spinning and spinning.... Even after closing DVD Decrypter.

After several tries I decided to send it back thinking it was defective. I got a new one and guess what? Well, I then checked the firmware and it already has the lastest version (SB01). Then a relative told me that DVD Decrypter might be "too old" for this new burner and to try NERO, which came only with the 2nd burner (go figure)... Nero burned about 5 DVDs with no problems, some even less than 5 min!

So I thought for sure my problem was solved, until I tried to play one. It played but was pretty glitchy... So, hoping that the maybe the ISO file was corrupt or something, I tried to burn a different ISO file to DVD with Nero and it F'n froze at 81%, just as it did with DVD Decrypter initially! Again, Nero didn't freeze, but the burner just stopped responding and the process bar stuck at 81% for 10 min, until I finally aborted!

PLEASE send any suggestions or thoughts b/c I am SO FRUSTRATED - I've never had a problem with burners! Always used NEC and have burned at least 250 DVDs, litterally... Not sure if this matters but, my system still has a NEC burner in it, but it's IDE connection... I just added this new SATA burner and it recognized it fine and set it to drive "H", after the NEC burner which is drive "F" ("G" is for a card reader in my printer).

Thanks so much in advance!!!

P.S. Not sure if it helps but here's the Nero burn log when it failed, even though it never actually gave me an error message before I aborted... 1 thing I noticed is that it has "IDE" listed as the adapter type for the Samsung SATA drive????



Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: -

NT-SPTI used
Nero Version: 7.10.1.2
Internal Version: 7, 10, 1, 2
(Nero Express)
Recorder: <TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203N>Version: SB01 - HA 1 TA 1 - 7.10.1.2
Adapter driver: <IDE> HA 1
Drive buffer : 2048kB
Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ?
CD-ROM: <_NEC DVD_RW ND-3550A >Version: 1.05 - HA 1 TA 0 - 7.10.1.2
Adapter driver: <IDE> HA 1

=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
CdRomPeripheral : _NEC DVD_RW ND-3550A atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: On
DiskPeripheral : ST3320620AS iaStor Port 2 ID 0 DMA: On
DiskPeripheral : ST3320620AS iaStor Port 2 ID 1 DMA: Off
CdRomPeripheral : TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203N iaStor Port 2 ID 2 DMA: Off

=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
_NEC DVD_RW ND-3550A F: CdRom0
TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203N H: CdRom1
=======================

AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 2029MB (2078328kB)
Free physical memory: 1272MB (1303012kB)
Memory in use : 37 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)

12.1.2008
Burn DVD Image
5:39:09 PM #1 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 424
LockMCN - completed sucessfully for IOCTL_STORAGE_MCN_CONTROL

5:39:09 PM #2 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3508
Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media

5:39:09 PM #3 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 307
Last possible write address on media: 2295103 (510:01.28, 4482MB)
Last address to be written: 2285846 (507:57.71, 4464MB)

5:39:09 PM #4 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 319
Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)

5:39:09 PM #5 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2972
Recorder: TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203N, Media type: DVD+R
Disc Manufacturer ID: MBIPG101, Media Type ID: R05, Product revision number: 1
Disc Application Code: 0, Extended Information Indicators: 7

5:39:09 PM #6 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 493
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
=========================================

5:39:09 PM #7 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 793
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (2 - CD-ROM Mode 1, ISO 9660)
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 2285847 (2285847) = #2285847/507:57.72
not relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2285847 blocks [H: TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203N]
--------------------------------------------------------------

5:39:09 PM #8 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 995
Prepare [H: TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203N] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
==========
MCN: ""
TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
Tracks 1 to 1: Idx 0 Idx 1 Next Trk
1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4681414656, ISRC ""
DAO layout:
===========
___Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_____Size_|______NWA_|_RecDep__________
0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x41 | 0 | 0 | 0x00
0 | 1 | 0 | 0x41 | 0 | 0 | 0x00
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x41 | 2285847 | 2285847 | 0x00
2285847 | lead-out | 1 | 0x41 | 0 | 0 | 0x00

5:39:09 PM #9 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 215
SPTILockVolume - completed successfully for FSCTL_LOCK_VOLUME

5:39:09 PM #10 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4294
Caching options: cache CDRom or Network-Yes, small files-Yes (<64KB)

5:39:09 PM #11 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1762
Caching of files started

5:39:09 PM #12 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4413
Cache writing successful.

5:39:09 PM #13 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1762
Caching of files completed

5:39:09 PM #14 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1762
Burn process started at 20x (27,700 KB/s)

5:39:09 PM #15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2721
Verifying disc position of item 0 (not relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

5:39:09 PM #16 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 9872
---- Disc Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Media Type: 0, Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD+R (10), Part Version: 1.0x (1)
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h (LBN: FFFD0000 h, 4193920 MB)
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Disc Application Code: 0 / 0 h
Extended Information indicators: 7 h
Disc Manufacturer ID: MBIPG101
Media type ID: R05
Product revision number: 1
Number of Physical format information bytes in use in ADIP up to byte 63: 56
Media Specific [16..63]:
00 00 07 4D 42 49 50 47 - 31 30 31 52 30 35 01 38 ...MBIPG101R05.8
23 54 37 13 02 50 6B 02 - 8C 63 15 15 0B 0B 08 08 #T7..Pk..c......
01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

5:39:09 PM #17 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 9872
---- Disc Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Media Type: 0, Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD+R (10), Part Version: 1.0x (1)
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h (LBN: FFFD0000 h, 4193920 MB)
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Disc Application Code: 0 / 0 h
Extended Information indicators: 7 h
Disc Manufacturer ID: MBIPG101
Media type ID: R05
Product revision number: 1
Number of Physical format information bytes in use in ADIP up to byte 63: 56
Media Specific [16..63]:
00 00 07 4D 42 49 50 47 - 31 30 31 52 30 35 01 38 ...MBIPG101R05.8
23 54 37 13 02 50 6B 02 - 8C 63 15 15 0B 0B 08 08 #T7..Pk..c......
01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

5:39:09 PM #18 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 9872
---- Disc Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Media Type: 0, Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD+R (10), Part Version: 1.0x (1)
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h (LBN: FFFD0000 h, 4193920 MB)
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Disc Application Code: 0 / 0 h
Extended Information indicators: 7 h
Disc Manufacturer ID: MBIPG101
Media type ID: R05
Product revision number: 1
Number of Physical format information bytes in use in ADIP up to byte 63: 56
Media Specific [16..63]:
00 00 07 4D 42 49 50 47 - 31 30 31 52 30 35 01 38 ...MBIPG101R05.8
23 54 37 13 02 50 6B 02 - 8C 63 15 15 0B 0B 08 08 #T7..Pk..c......
01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

5:39:09 PM #19 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 8376
Drive: TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203N
Book Type request [TSST]: DVD-ROM
Changing the Book Type was finished successfully, return code 0

5:39:09 PM #20 CDR -1207 File DVDR.cpp, Line 6481
Book Type automatically set to: DVD-ROM

5:39:09 PM #21 Text 0 File DVDPlusRW.cpp, Line 675
Start write address at LBA 0
DVD high compatibility mode: Yes

5:39:09 PM #22 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 269
Pipe memory size 83836800

5:49:17 PM #23 Phase 40 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1435
Aborted by user

5:53:28 PM #24 SPTI -1046 File SCSIPassThrough.cpp, Line 179
CdRom1: SCSIStatus(x02) WinError(0) NeroError(-1046)
Sense Key: 0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
Sense Code: 0x30
Sense Qual: 0x06
CDB Data: 0x5B 01 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
Sense Area: 0x70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 30 06

5:53:28 PM #25 Text 0 File DVDPlusRW.cpp, Line 935
EndDAO: Last written address 1841472

5:53:28 PM #26 CDR -1046 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 162
Illegal disc
H: TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203N

5:53:28 PM #27 TRANSFER -24 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 162
Could not perform end of Disc-at-once

5:53:28 PM #28 Phase 39 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1762
Burn process aborted

5:53:28 PM #29 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 261
SPTIDismountVolume - completed successfully for FSCTL_DISMOUNT_VOLUME

5:54:05 PM #30 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 11185
DriveLocker: UnLockVolume completed

5:54:05 PM #31 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 424
UnLockMCN - completed sucessfully for IOCTL_STORAGE_MCN_CONTROL


Existing drivers:

Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)




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aedipuss posted 2008 Jan 12 18:33
try to get some better media. the Moser Baer India Limited isn't great and may not work in your drive. verbatim -r might give you an idea if the drive is going to work ok.

also imgburn is the successor to decrypter and you might want to try using it.



1wheelken posted 2008 Jan 12 18:44
Thanks for the reply!

The media is Memorex 16X DVD+R, and I buy them by the hundreds and have only experienced maybe 2 or so coasters in about 250 burns with my NEC burner... I guess you could be write but I'd hate to change media just b/c of samsung being picky... Thing is, I didn't buy another NEC b/c I heard their quality has dropped... Boy, I hope all new burners aren't this picky and unreliable :cry:



aedipuss posted 2008 Jan 12 19:03
the bar can stop when the drive tries to re-write a bad sector and never succeeds. check over at cdfreaks i'm sure they have a thread about the 203 and what medium is working.


budz posted 2008 Jan 12 20:18
1wheelken: What brand is your motherboard? Because some sata controller chipsets don't work correctly with SATA DVD Burners. Motherboards with the Intel ICH8/9 sata controllers work fine with SATA DVD Burners & NVIDIA sata controllers will work fine as long as you use the latest drivers. VIA chipset controllers won't work so you'll have to buy a SATA PCI CONTROLLER card w/the SILICON IMAGE 3112/3114 chipset for a SATA DVD Burners. Older motherboards w/SATA connections will have compatibility issues because they weren't equipped to be used for SATA DVD burners. Also check your motherboard BIOS to see if RAID is enabled, if it is then disable it.

The dvd media you're using is considered crappy. Use VERBATIM or TAIYO YUDEN dvd media. Burn dvd media with IMGBURN because DVD DECRYPTER is no longer updated. Both of those programs were made by the same guy named, LightningUK. NERO BURN is buggy as hell and not reliable as IMGBURN when it comes to burning dvd media.



1wheelken posted 2008 Jan 12 20:37
Thanks again for the reply!

My MOBO: Intel BOXDG965WHMKR LGA 775 Intel G965 Express ATX (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813121052)

Since the last time it stopped responding, I was able to burn about 5 DVDs with NERO, however when I play them back on my home dvd player, they all skip a little way into each movie...

Then I tried to burn one at 8X... Less skips/glitches, but problems still there...

Next, I tried a verbatim 16X DVD+R (lightscribe) disc at MAX speed, and it caused the burner to stop responding as it has done before, only this time it froze my entire system! I couldn't even get into the task manager!! Man, this just keeps getting worse!!!!

2 things came to mind since my post... I thought maybe my home dvd player sucks so I put in a older dvd I burned with my NEC player about yr ago... It worked fine!

The other thing I thougt is that maybe it's some type of system problem... maybe lack of HD space for swap files? I have 2 320GB drives that I store ISO files on to burn... One has 10.8GB free and the other has 15.8GB free...Seems like enough free space but maybe not? The reason I thought this b/c my NEC just recently started to burn discs with glitches in them - I just thought it was finally goin bad so that why I bought the samsung... But now the samsung is "kinda" doin the same thing (when it actually completes a burn), so I don't know what to think!!!!! ERRRRRRRRRR! I never imagined this much trouble!!!

I'm starting to also wonder if the samsung just isn't all it's cracked up to be???

I'll try imgburn and see what happens with that... Thanks again!



budz posted 2008 Jan 12 22:09
Don't be burning VERBATIM or any other dvd media at the MAX SPEED. Just because you have a 20x speed dvd burner doesn't mean you'll be successful with the disc playing back correctly. The best you can burn is at 12x speed or if you use MEDIA CODE SPEED EDIT to swap write strategies with other media id. As I mentioned you're using crappy ass MEMOREX dvd media. Stick to the VERBATIM dvd media and you won't have any problems as long as you burn them at 12x. In my experience I've burned 16x speed with VERBATIM & TAIYO YUDEN with my SAMSUNG SATA S203B drives but I use MEDIA CODE SPEED EDIT to change the write strategies for certain media id's.

Your motherboard should be fine but make sure RAID is disabled in your motherboard BIOS. This could also cause problems with dvd burning. Also make sure your SATA SAMSUNG Dvd burner is connected to the SATA port that has the INTEL ICH8 SATA controller. Your motherboard also has 3 additional SATA ports that are for RAID, which the dvd burner will not work correctly so if it's connected to it right now remove it and use the SATA connection that has ICH8.

I don't believe your hard drives could be the reason for your problems. Make sure when you're burning dvd discs that antivirus and any other programs running in the background are disabled. Don't even surf the net as well. SAMSUNG SATA DVD Burners are the best in the market at this time.



Snipes posted 2008 Jan 13 00:20
Hello, I came across this thread after searching for answers on the exact same problem. I too have the SH-S203N, which will freeze at various points during a burn. I've been using Verbatim DVD+R media along with DVDFab 3.2.1.0, DVDFab 4.0.3.2, DVD Decryptor, DVD Shrink 3.2, and Nero 6 & 7.... all with the same problem. At first I thought this was a hardware defect, but now I think it's something to do with the SATA connection. I just switched from using an IDE (Samsung as well) DVD-RW to this new SATA.

Any advice on the problem would be great. The optical drive is connected to a Gigabyte P35-DS3P. I've tried the JMicron SATA port as well as the Gigabyte SATA on the board and come to the same problem with both. Currently AHCI is switched off, which I think could be the problem, but enabling it causes Windows to not load.

Thanks again



budz posted 2008 Jan 13 00:36
Don't use the JMicron SATA port. Connect the drive to the SATA port that uses the INTEL SATA chipset controller. I see your GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3P motherboard has RAID SATA controllers as well which could make a SATA dvd burner not work correctly. Also disable RAID in the mobo BIOS as well. I believe the SATA ports on the GIGABYTE mobo's are different colors. On one of my GIGABYTE P35 mobos the PURPLE port is for RAID connections and the ORANGE port is where my SAMSUNG S230B drives are connected to which means they're using the INTEL chipset controllers. Also leave ACHI disabled as well. If you don't understand about the ACHI read your GIGABYTE manual.

Use IMGBURN to burn your dvd media. IMHO any other burning software is crappy. :wink: Good Luck! :)



[_chef_] posted 2008 Jan 13 04:10
As nicely explained by budz, the sata controller is the biggest factor in this case.
Its more frickin than you might think, because there are many controllers onboard sold these days which are just useless for SATA ODD. They only work well for SATA HDD, not to mention RAID..........

If there is an option in the BIOS to set the controller to IDE or enhanced IDE, try that. RAID is a no-go with ODD.
There is also the possibility for some sata controllers to flash them with a BASE BIOS which has RAID disabled, they should work.



1wheelken posted 2008 Jan 14 14:52
Thanks again for the suggestions!

I have since been able to burn several DVDs with IMGBURN, but it seems that every 5 or so I have a burn that freezes half way, just as mentioned in my original problem... The completed burns actually play pretty well in one of my home DVD players, with only a few glitches... However, each one consistently skips near the beginning-middle of the movie in a different player I have at home... I'll admit this is the "pickier" of the 2 players, but then again it plays older DVDs I have burned just fine! :?

OK, now getting to your suggestions...

budz
:
Also make sure your SATA SAMSUNG Dvd burner is connected to the SATA port that has the INTEL ICH8 SATA controller. Your motherboard also has 3 additional SATA ports that are for RAID, which the dvd burner will not work correctly so if it's connected to it right now remove it and use the SATA connection that has ICH8.


Well, I looked at my MOBO, the manual, and on Itel's site and I did find where they mentioned that ODD should plug into "Black" ICH8 SATA ports rather than "Orange" Raid ones, however all of mine appear to be black :? :?

I have 1 HD in SATA0, and 1 HD in SATA1... Originally I had the new burner plugged into the SATA3 port, but then changed it to the SATA2 port. I haven't really noticed a difference since then...

[_chef_]
:
If there is an option in the BIOS to set the controller to IDE or enhanced IDE, try that. RAID is a no-go with ODD.


I have not tried this yet b/c I took a look and wasn't sure about something... In the bios it did have the SATA ports set to RAID. The only other options were "IDE", and "ACHI", but the last will only work for VISTA... I was concerned about switching this for 2 reasons... First, when I selected the IDE controller option, it cleared the list of SATA devices connected ( 2 HDs & 1 burner), as if nothing was there/connected??? 2nd, if I would select the IDE option, would it therefore slow the performance of my HDs, since they are both SATA 3Gb/s?

Well, I really do appreciate all the help (and patience for my lack of knowledge)! I don't want to sound stubborn and I'm sure you gentlemen know a lot more about this than me but I just really hate to take a step "backward" in performance... If you know what I mean. See, I have been burning 4.7GB ISOs to Memorex DVDs with my 16X NEC burner, while surfing the net, printing labels for work, running AV, excel docs, etc, yet all those DVDs burned in about 6-7 mins with NO problems!

Maybe I have just been really lucky in the past, but I'd really just like to get at least that kind of performance back. In other words, I'm trying to avoid buying all new DVDs (at least for now), burning slower, and waiting twice as long... Thanks guyZ



oldandinthe way posted 2008 Jan 14 15:56
=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
CdRomPeripheral : _NEC DVD_RW ND-3550A atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: On
DiskPeripheral : ST3320620AS iaStor Port 2 ID 0 DMA: On
DiskPeripheral : ST3320620AS iaStor Port 2 ID 1 DMA: Off
CdRomPeripheral : TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203N iaStor Port 2 ID 2 DMA: Off

This piece of your Nero log seems to show DMA is off on the burner.

If you are burning without DMA it is quite easy to believe that when you reach higher transfer rates (outer areas of the DVD) the burn will crap out. Nero only uses a single core so you effectively have a slow system (2ghz), and no DMA. If any other program is using the same core the results will be even worse.

Fix the DMA problem by uninstalling and reinstalling the drivers. It seems to me that the fact that your burner is SATA is probably a red herring. DMA off is a classic and common problem which is normally easy to diagnose.

It also seems that your second Barrracuda is also running with DMA off. If you are burning from that drive your configuration is a disaster.

After you remedy this - learn to read the Nero log, its worth the effort.

In my experience Nero 7 issues a warning when DMA is off. Are you ignoring it?



budz posted 2008 Jan 14 15:59
You are using MEMOREX dvd media which is considered crappy media. Use VERBATIM and TAIYO YUDEN and you'll see your problems disappear.

The SATA connection for your drive should be set in the BIOS to ide. ACHI should be disabled in your BIOS. The speed of your HD's should not be affected. I'll have to read this thread over as I'm at work right now on lunch hour.



oldandinthe way posted 2008 Jan 14 16:02
budz :
You are using MEMOREX dvd media which is considered crappy media. Use VERBATIM and TAIYO YUDEN and you'll see your problems disappear.

The SATA connection for your drive should be set in the BIOS to ide. ACHI should be disabled in your BIOS. The speed of your HD's should not be affected. I'll have to read this thread over as I'm at work right now on lunch hour.


Sorry Budz - this problem will exist with any media. The system is misconfigured,



budz posted 2008 Jan 14 16:16
oldandinthe way :
budz :
You are using MEMOREX dvd media which is considered crappy media. Use VERBATIM and TAIYO YUDEN and you'll see your problems disappear.

The SATA connection for your drive should be set in the BIOS to ide. ACHI should be disabled in your BIOS. The speed of your HD's should not be affected. I'll have to read this thread over as I'm at work right now on lunch hour.


Sorry Budz - this problem will exist with any media. The system is misconfigured,


Then assist the OP in getting his sytem configured to how it is suppose to be!!!!! :P
:roll: If you've got nothing constructive to contribute to this thread then refrain from making comments. I have 4 SATA DVD Burners which were all installed on different brands of motherboards with different chipset controller so I think I have a good idea on how to assist the OP. :wink: :)



1wheelken posted 2008 Jan 15 08:35
Wow! I should have noticed that!

Nero did not show me any DMA warnings, and when the drive does work it's pretty fast so that's weird.... I have seen the DMA OFF warnings in the past when using DVDFab, and the speed difference was very noticable.

I'm honestly not sure how to get them into DMA mode :oops: I've done it thru the device manager b4, but now when I go under the "IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers" section, it doesn't even show SATAs.... It shows the primary IDE and the secondary IDE... 1 device is in ultra DMA mode, but the other 3 show "not applicable" :?

I'd appreciate any guidence as to how to change this or uninstall/install the drivers! Should I just "update" the driver through windows or???? Can I even update the driver on the HD while it has items stored on it?

Thanks



budz posted 2008 Jan 15 23:42
I've already explained about your mobo sata controller chipset. Did you DISABLE RAID in the mobo BIOS? Move your hard drives to another SATA PORT and then move your SATA DVD Burner to SATA port 1 or 2. See if that works or not. Until you're able to exhaust all the options that is the only way to know for sure if your SAMSUNG SATA drive is defective.

If you don't disable the RAID in the mobo bios then the drive will not work correctly. Also in the mobo BIOS make sure in the SATA ACHI mode you have it set to DISABLED & SATA PORT 0-3 Native mode set to DISABLED as well.
Also in mobo BIOS make sure the ONBOARD SATA/IDE CTRL (controller) MODE is set to IDE. Hopefully you'll have these things listed in your mobo BIOS! :wink: :)



[_chef_] posted 2008 Jan 16 05:27
Nero shows DMA off because "iastor" driver is used, which's settings Nero cannot recognize correctly. If the driver is named "atapi", Nero should report the DMA mode correctly.


1wheelken posted 2008 Jan 17 22:52
OK, so I went in to the bios and changed from Raid to IDE... After it booted up, my computer caught on Fire!!!!! :shock:

So after my girlfriend's cousin's dog put the fire out, I got it to boot up and it looks great! The controllers now make sense in the device manager, with DMA on! Thanks budz and everyone else for the help! Also, I learned the difference in the media as you mentioned. I grab a couple TDKs, which I had success with in the past, from a friend and they burned great and worked in numerous players... a little slower than the Memorex, but the Memorex had consistent glitches mid-way in some DVD players.

I think I'm gonna grab some Verbatim from videohelp's sponsors... wouldn't make sense to buy'em anywhere else after such a good experience here. Thanks again guyz!!!

Here's my Nero Log - (Hoping there's nothing wrong :| ) I have been using Imageburn and it's great... just used Nero this time to check the DMA in the log...
oh and I may have exaggerated the fire part a lil...

Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: -

NT-SPTI used
Nero Version: 7.10.1.2
Internal Version: 7, 10, 1, 2
(Nero Express)
Recorder: <TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203N>Version: SB01 - HA 1 TA 1 - 7.10.1.2
Adapter driver: <IDE> HA 1
Drive buffer : 2048kB
Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ?
CD-ROM: <_NEC DVD_RW ND-3550A >Version: 1.05 - HA 1 TA 0 - 7.10.1.2
Adapter driver: <IDE> HA 1

=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
CdRomPeripheral : _NEC DVD_RW ND-3550A atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: On
DiskPeripheral : ST3320620AS atapi Port 2 ID 0 DMA: On
DiskPeripheral : ST3320620AS atapi Port 3 ID 0 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203N atapi Port 4 ID 0 DMA: On

=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
_NEC DVD_RW ND-3550A F: CdRom0
TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203N H: CdRom1
=======================

AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 2029MB (2078328kB)
Free physical memory: 1440MB (1475044kB)
Memory in use : 29 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)

17.1.2008
Burn DVD Image
11:04:50 PM #1 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 424
LockMCN - completed sucessfully for IOCTL_STORAGE_MCN_CONTROL

11:04:50 PM #2 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3508
Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media

11:04:50 PM #3 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 307
Last possible write address on media: 2295103 (510:01.28, 4482MB)
Last address to be written: 2285849 (507:57.74, 4464MB)

11:04:50 PM #4 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 319
Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)

11:04:50 PM #5 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2972
Recorder: TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203N, Media type: DVD+R
Disc Manufacturer ID: MBIPG101, Media Type ID: R05, Product revision number: 1
Disc Application Code: 0, Extended Information Indicators: 7

11:04:50 PM #6 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 493
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
=========================================

11:04:50 PM #7 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 793
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (2 - CD-ROM Mode 1, ISO 9660)
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 2285850 (2285850) = #2285850/507:58.0
not relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2285850 blocks [H: TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203N]
--------------------------------------------------------------

11:04:50 PM #8 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 995
Prepare [H: TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203N] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
==========
MCN: ""
TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
Tracks 1 to 1: Idx 0 Idx 1 Next Trk
1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4681420800, ISRC ""
DAO layout:
===========
___Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_____Size_|______NWA_|_RecDep__________
0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x41 | 0 | 0 | 0x00
0 | 1 | 0 | 0x41 | 0 | 0 | 0x00
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x41 | 2285850 | 2285850 | 0x00
2285850 | lead-out | 1 | 0x41 | 0 | 0 | 0x00

11:04:50 PM #9 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 215
SPTILockVolume - completed successfully for FSCTL_LOCK_VOLUME

11:04:50 PM #10 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4294
Caching options: cache CDRom or Network-Yes, small files-Yes (<64KB)

11:04:50 PM #11 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1762
Caching of files started

11:04:50 PM #12 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4413
Cache writing successful.

11:04:50 PM #13 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1762
Caching of files completed

11:04:50 PM #14 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1762
Burn process started at 20x (27,700 KB/s)

11:04:50 PM #15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2721
Verifying disc position of item 0 (not relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

11:04:50 PM #16 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 9872
---- Disc Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Media Type: 0, Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD+R (10), Part Version: 1.0x (1)
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h (LBN: FFFD0000 h, 4193920 MB)
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Disc Application Code: 0 / 0 h
Extended Information indicators: 7 h
Disc Manufacturer ID: MBIPG101
Media type ID: R05
Product revision number: 1
Number of Physical format information bytes in use in ADIP up to byte 63: 56
Media Specific [16..63]:
00 00 07 4D 42 49 50 47 - 31 30 31 52 30 35 01 38 ...MBIPG101R05.8
23 54 37 13 02 50 6B 02 - 8C 63 15 15 0B 0B 08 08 #T7..Pk..c......
01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

11:04:50 PM #17 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 9872
---- Disc Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Media Type: 0, Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD+R (10), Part Version: 1.0x (1)
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h (LBN: FFFD0000 h, 4193920 MB)
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Disc Application Code: 0 / 0 h
Extended Information indicators: 7 h
Disc Manufacturer ID: MBIPG101
Media type ID: R05
Product revision number: 1
Number of Physical format information bytes in use in ADIP up to byte 63: 56
Media Specific [16..63]:
00 00 07 4D 42 49 50 47 - 31 30 31 52 30 35 01 38 ...MBIPG101R05.8
23 54 37 13 02 50 6B 02 - 8C 63 15 15 0B 0B 08 08 #T7..Pk..c......
01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

11:04:50 PM #18 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 9872
---- Disc Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Media Type: 0, Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD+R (10), Part Version: 1.0x (1)
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h (LBN: FFFD0000 h, 4193920 MB)
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Disc Application Code: 0 / 0 h
Extended Information indicators: 7 h
Disc Manufacturer ID: MBIPG101
Media type ID: R05
Product revision number: 1
Number of Physical format information bytes in use in ADIP up to byte 63: 56
Media Specific [16..63]:
00 00 07 4D 42 49 50 47 - 31 30 31 52 30 35 01 38 ...MBIPG101R05.8
23 54 37 13 02 50 6B 02 - 8C 63 15 15 0B 0B 08 08 #T7..Pk..c......
01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

11:04:50 PM #19 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 8376
Drive: TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203N
Book Type request [TSST]: DVD-ROM
Changing the Book Type was finished successfully, return code 0

11:04:50 PM #20 CDR -1207 File DVDR.cpp, Line 6481
Book Type automatically set to: DVD-ROM

11:04:50 PM #21 Text 0 File DVDPlusRW.cpp, Line 675
Start write address at LBA 0
DVD high compatibility mode: Yes

11:04:50 PM #22 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 269
Pipe memory size 83836800

11:09:13 PM #23 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 113
<H: TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203N> start writing Lead-Out at LBA 2285850 (22E11Ah), length 0 blocks

11:09:46 PM #24 Text 0 File DVDPlusRW.cpp, Line 935
EndDAO: Last written address 2285856

11:09:46 PM #25 Phase 37 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1762
Burn process completed successfully at 20x (27,700 KB/s)

11:09:47 PM #26 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 261
SPTIDismountVolume - completed successfully for FSCTL_DISMOUNT_VOLUME

11:09:51 PM #27 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 11185
DriveLocker: UnLockVolume completed

11:09:51 PM #28 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 424
UnLockMCN - completed sucessfully for IOCTL_STORAGE_MCN_CONTROL


Existing drivers:

Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)



budz posted 2008 Jan 17 23:10
:
OK, so I went in to the bios and changed from Raid to IDE... After it booted up, my computer caught on Fire!!!!! So after my girlfriend's cousin's dog put the fire out, I got it to boot up and it looks great!


:lol: so the dog took a piss on your pc to put the fire out! :lol:
:thumbs_up: Glad to hear you got the drive working correctly. :) Happy dvd burning from now on with VERBATIM dvd media!



[_chef_] posted 2008 Jan 22 05:43
As a note, I would only burn that specific media at 16x max.


1wheelken posted 2008 Jan 22 11:04
OK, I just don't get it.... I have since burned about a dozen perfect DVDs with the TDKs...

Then, last night I tired to burn a TDK DVD and the burner again stop responding at about 68% while using Imageburn. Like before, I was able to close Imageburn but the burner kept spinning and wouldn't respond to anything or open until I rebooted... The only thing that was different this time was the color of actual DVD... Meaning, the first dozen or so TDKs given to me were plain white printables, while this recent burn used the same TDK DVD ( CMC MAG-M01), however the top is a gray color with writing on it.

OK so I then rebooted and burned a DVD successfully, however it took about 8-9 minutes. Also, the Imageburn log showed 2 instances where the buffer had to recover, which I have Never seen before! I then burned another and it took even longer, and had 3 buffer errors/recoveries :evil: :evil: :evil:

I'm waiting on Verbatims but I'm still not convinced this burner is not going to make coasters for them as well! I have a some Verbatim Lightscribes but I don't really want to waste thoughs either...

Could the DVD color "really" make a difference, even though the media ID is identical?

I'll post the log when I get home... If I don't throw my computer out the window 1st...



[_chef_] posted 2008 Jan 22 12:45
TDK should be avoided these days, they have gone done the drain like Memorex..............


1wheelken posted 2008 Jan 22 17:58
OK, now I'm really pissed... My Verbatims arrived today, and guess what?

Yup, 1st try and it stopped responding AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It actually made it all the way to 100% and showed "finished", but it just stuck there (sychronizing cache), and so I had to reboot....

After reboot, I tried again. Well, it worked this time but barely made it over 4X????? WTF?

Please, somebody, please???? :cry:



budz posted 2008 Jan 23 21:41
did you ever try removing the drive and connecting it to another SATA port? try doing that.


DVDDave posted 2008 Jan 23 22:25
i would swap out the drive with another. i have three of those drives in three different systems. they are all plugged in to different contrllers and all work flawlessly with verbatim. i consider the samsung one of my best drives.

maybe you got a defect---it happens....



1wheelken posted 2008 Jan 26 15:37
OK, so I've been burning like crazy trying to figure this out... I moved the drive to another sata port, but unfortunately that made no difference.

I have been able to burn a couple here and there but eventually it stops responding... One of the things I noticed was that when I opened IE while burning, the buffers where shot down and then it would crash or the speed never went back up above 4X on the samsung sata drive, however when I did the same thing while burning with the nec IDE drive, it barely noticed it...

The only way I have been gettinig semi-consistant burns with the samsung sata is by limiting the speed to 16X, using Verbatims, and also being sure not to use any other programs during the burn...

Is the IDE port somehow not affected by other tasks/programs that are running on the SATA hard drives, and therefore allowing that burner to run "unaffected"? I pretty much Always did other things while burning so I'm kinda spoiled... In other words, should I just buy another IDE burner so I can get away with more???? :?:



budz posted 2008 Jan 26 16:34
1wheelken :
OK, so I've been burning like crazy trying to figure this out... I moved the drive to another sata port, but unfortunately that made no difference.

I have been able to burn a couple here and there but eventually it stops responding... One of the things I noticed was that when I opened IE while burning, the buffers where shot down and then it would crash or the speed never went back up above 4X on the samsung sata drive, however when I did the same thing while burning with the nec IDE drive, it barely noticed it...

The only way I have been gettinig semi-consistant burns with the samsung sata is by limiting the speed to 16X, using Verbatims, and also being sure not to use any other programs during the burn...

Is the IDE port somehow not affected by other tasks/programs that are running on the SATA hard drives, and therefore allowing that burner to run "unaffected"? I pretty much Always did other things while burning so I'm kinda spoiled... In other words, should I just buy another IDE burner so I can get away with more???? :?:


First rule of thumb when burning dvd media is not to have any other programs running in the background. Dvd media will be costly if you continue surfing the net and have all other programs running while burning. If you want another IDE DVD burner then buy it. IMHO why waste money when you have a perfectly running SAMSUNG drive. :P



[_chef_] posted 2008 Jan 28 04:42
1wheelken :
OK, now I'm really pissed... My Verbatims arrived today, and guess what?

Yup, 1st try and it stopped responding AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It actually made it all the way to 100% and showed "finished", but it just stuck there (sychronizing cache), and so I had to reboot....

After reboot, I tried again. Well, it worked this time but barely made it over 4X????? WTF?

Please, somebody, please???? :cry:


Calm down and fix your SATA controller problems. :idea:



DVDDave posted 2008 Jan 28 06:13
does the Motherboard support ATAPI devices?????????


seglertx posted 2008 Jan 29 03:44
I have had the same problem, of the DVD drive locking up during a burn, with my Intel DG965WH motherboard.

This particular problem seems to be caused by the Intel South Bridge chip, or at least with the Intel drivers for it. On this particular board it is the ICH8, but I have noticed similar problems on computers with the Intel ICH7. The only solution I have found so far is to use the standard Microsoft drivers for the drive controller.

I have had many other problems with this board since I built this computer a year ago.

1. The drives are not always recognized at boot. Many times it will hang with the hard drive light on when trying to recognize the drives after POST. When it finally does recognize them, one of the SATA drives will be missing. This happens whether I am using RAID, AHCI, or IDE for my SATA hard drives. I found that if I shut the computer down and unplug it for at least 15 seconds and then plug it back in and restart it, it will see all of the drives again.
I did read of people having this problem with card readers or USB drives attached. I have an internal card reader installed, but I have not tried disconnecting it yet.

2. My IDE DVD burner will occasionally lock up during a burn if I am doing anything else on the computer. Even something as simple as accessing the internet, transferring files over the LAN, or running a simple program will cause it. Sometimes it will even lock up the computer, and I have to hit the reset button.

3. Even if the DVD burner does not lock up during a burn, it will still bring the onboard ethernet controller almost to a halt. This is ridiculous for a dual core CPU of this speed. When I look at the CPU usage, it is hardly being used at all.

I think most if not all of these problems are caused by the Intel South Bridge chips. I have never experienced these problems with motherboards using AMD CPU's. Even my old AMD Athlon 1GHz T-bird can burn DVD's while surfing the internet and running other programs. I have only noticed these problems on motherboards with Intel chipsets.

When I built this system I initially used the SATA RAID drivers as Intel suggested, and installed the latest BIOS and driver updates. None of them solved the problems. I did not solve it until I recently started to install Linux and found that it did not support RAID on this motherboard.

I decided to switch the BIOS setting for my SATA drives to IDE. Instead of doing a repair of the Windows XP MCE installation, I decided to reformat the drive and do a clean install. (I had installed Nero 7 Ultra which was full of bugs, and still left a ton of registry entries after I uninstalled it. I decided reformatting was easier than cleaning the registry.)

After I reinstalled Windows XP MCE, I was experiencing the same problems, and ran across somebody mentioning problems with the Intel drivers. I switched to the Microsoft "Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller", and now I can use the DVD drive with no problems. I can now multi-task just as easily as I can on my AMD systems, and not have to worry about coasters.

I still have the problem of the SATA drives being recognized at boot, and will next try disconnecting the card reader. I am unable to use RAID, but I had not planned on using it. You would think the SATA drive access would be slower, but it is actually faster because I am normally using the DVD drive at the same time. I have that found benchmarks are often misleading, at least compared the way I use a computer.

I like the Intel Core 2 Duo CPU's, but I will never use one on a motherboard with an Intel chipset again.

Is anyone having these problems on Core 2 Duo systems with other South Bridge chips?

Has anyone else had the drive recognition problem at boot, and solved it?

P.S. I use verbatim DVD+R's, and by them at Sam's Club for under $30/100. Out of about 1,000, I have never had a defective one.
I have had 2 defective Maxell DVD+R's out of about 200. One was not completely sealed on the edge, and one split completely apart when removing it from a jewel case.



budz posted 2008 Jan 29 10:59
I have south bridge chips on both of my GIGABYTE core2duo motherboards. I have no problems with my SAMSUNG S203B drives. I highly doubt it has anything to do with ICH7/8/9. RAID should always be DISABLED in motherboard BIOS.

This is already documented at CDFREAKS.COM when it comes to using SATA DVD BURNERS. :wink:



jamez243 posted 2008 Jan 29 15:09
Please if you guys can help me. This is the most active fourm I've seen with recent responses so I decided to ask here. I understand the problem this guy is having. While mine is similar it is quite different. I swear to god I've searched many fourms where people mention the problem... but never if it was solved or what they did to remedy the situation. First off I have the SH-S203N Samsung burner as well. Installed it, tried to burn... freezed on 1% Writing lead in. I don't remember what happened but a few days later (maybe after a restart) I tried it again and it worked. I burned one disc and tried it again a few days later (another restart maybe) wouldn't work. My first thought was that it was due to a windows update. Regardless I went to the manufactures website and downloaded the mobo southbridge drivers (suggested as an idea) restarted the computer, dvd burner works, I burn 7 DVDs and I'm happy. Two days later (I think another windows update happened here and a restart) dvd burner making coasters again... 1% Writing lead in (CD's have the same effect... except they get to 4% tho still writing the lead in). So I decide to reinstall the mobo drivers again... hoping that it works again, no dice... and no matter what I try to do it freezes at writing the lead in. If I wait long enough 10-15 mintues nero finally gives up and ejects my disk. Punching it after it freezes does not work either. I'm out of ideas. Here is what Nero rewards me with if I actually wait the 15 mintues without just shutting the comptuer down (cause I'm pissed) or ending the task.

I can read some of this stuff ... but most of it is nonsense to me.


Thanks in advance

James






Windows XP 6.0
IA32
WinAspi: -

NT-SPTI used
Nero Version: 8.2.8.0
Internal Version: 8, 2, 8, 0

Recorder: <TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203N>Version: SB01 - HA 1 TA 0 - 8.2.8.0
Adapter driver: <IDE> HA 1
Drive buffer : 2048kB
Bus Type : default
CD-ROM: <HG3490U KZZ390X >Version: 1.0 - HA 1 TA 1 - 8.2.8.0
Adapter driver: <SCSI> HA 1

=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
CdRomPeripheral : HG3490U KZZ390X 1.0 a4h75wv9 Port 7 ID 0 DMA: Off

=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203N F: CdRom0
HG3490U KZZ390X D: CdRom1
=======================

AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 2045MB (2095040kB)
Free physical memory: 1177MB (1205996kB)
Memory in use : 42 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)

29.1.2008
Burn DVD Image
3:15:15 PM #1 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 450
LockMCN - completed sucessfully for IOCTL_STORAGE_MCN_CONTROL

3:15:15 PM #2 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3502
Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media

3:15:15 PM #3 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 307
Last possible write address on media: 2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB)
Last address to be written: 2263770 (503:03.45, 4421MB)

3:15:15 PM #4 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 319
Write in overburning mode: NO (enabled: CD)

3:15:15 PM #5 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2957
Recorder: TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203N, Media type: DVD-R
Disc Manufacturer ID: <RITEKF> <1>
Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193

3:15:15 PM #6 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 493
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
=========================================

3:15:15 PM #7 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 762
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (2 - CD-ROM Mode 1, Joliet)
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 2263771 (2263771) = #2263771/503:3.46
not relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/not required
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2263771 blocks [F: TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203N]
--------------------------------------------------------------

3:15:15 PM #8 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 964
Prepare [F: TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203N] for write in CUE-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
==========
MCN: ""
TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
Tracks 1 to 1: Idx 0 Idx 1 Next Trk
1: TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x00, FilePos 0 0 4636203008, ISRC ""
DAO layout:
===========
___Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_CtrlAdr_|_____Size_|______NWA_|_RecDep__________
0 | lead-in | 0 | 0x41 | 0 | 0 | 0x00
0 | 1 | 0 | 0x41 | 0 | 0 | 0x00
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x41 | 2263771 | 2263771 | 0x00
2263771 | lead-out | 1 | 0x41 | 0 | 0 | 0x00

3:15:15 PM #9 Text 0 File SCSIPTICommands.cpp, Line 240
SPTILockVolume - completed successfully for FSCTL_LOCK_VOLUME

3:15:15 PM #10 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4288
Caching options: cache CDRom or Network-Yes, small files-No (<64KB)

3:15:15 PM #11 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1767
Caching of files started

3:15:15 PM #12 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4407
Cache writing successful.

3:15:15 PM #13 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1767
Caching of files completed

3:15:15 PM #14 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1767
Burn process started at 16x (22,160 KB/s)

3:15:16 PM #15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2681
Verifying disc position of item 0 (not relocatable, no disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

3:15:17 PM #16 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 3273
Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode

3:15:17 PM #17 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 3427
Start write address at LBA 0
DVD high compatibility mode: Yes

3:15:17 PM #18 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 10140
---- Disc Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Media Type: 0, Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 2.0x (5), Extended Part Version: 2.1 (33)
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Transfer Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
Outer Limit of Data Recordable Area: 0 h
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Revision number of maximum recording speed: 6.0
Revision number of minimum recording speed: -
Revision number table of recording speed: 1.0 2.0 3.0 4.0 5.0 - -
Class: 0, Extended part version: 33
Start PSN of the Extra Border Zone: 0 h
Start PSN of Physical format information blocks in Extra Border Zone: 0 h
Media Specific [16..783]:
00 60 00 10 20 30 40 50 - 00 00 00 21 00 00 00 00 .`...0@P...!....
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
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3:15:17 PM #20 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 269
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3:25:18 PM #21 SPTI -1114 File SCSIPassThrough.cpp, Line 197
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Existing drivers:

Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon



budz posted 2008 Jan 29 15:16
jamez243: first of all use better dvd media than RITEK which is crappy media to use. Use VERBATIM & TAIYO YUDEN dvd media. Burn with IMGBURN instead of NERO. As far as your SAMSUNG drive goes this thread has a lot of info on how to make your drive work correctly with the chipset that you have. It's not nonsense. I have 2 southbridge chip mobo's w/SAMSUNG S203B drives which work fine. Make sure you have the AHCI disabled in the mobo BIOS and use IDE in BIOS as well.


jamez243 posted 2008 Jan 29 15:22
That is actually Memorex. Which I wasn't aware made crappier versions of media. Regardless I seriously am doubting the media where as a Verbaitum CD-R also froze at lead in. I looked all the way thru this thread and found nothing that would help my specific problem. I just wanted to see if you guys heard of anything that typically causes a freeze when writing the lead-in. Also, I actually don't have the same Intel motherboard that you all have been speaking of, I have the ECS RS482-M.


DVDDave posted 2008 Jan 29 15:26
WTF----I have his drive in three separate machines, and i never changed a setting---the thing is plug and play. to those having a problem, why not try a different SATA drive???


jamez243 posted 2008 Jan 29 15:33
lol you act like I wanted to get this drive and it have problems... I just want it to work like it's supposed to for crying out loud. I just dont' want to go thru the hassle of sending it back RMA (trying to find my reciept) and all this crap if it can be fixed. I am running Windows Vista 32Bit but I dont' know that it has any contribution in the problem.


1wheelken posted 2008 Jan 29 18:20
Well, I've been trying several things and here's where I'm at...

I burned 10 DVDs in a row with my NEC IDE burner, while opening 20 windows of IE, opening/using photoshop, and playing MP3s... Didn't affect that burner at ALL! ALL the dvds played PERFECT! In fact, I can burn a memorex or tdk dvd with that drive as well...

The only way I can get consistent burns with the samsung sata is to limit it to 16X, use verbatim ONLY, and not do a single thing on my computer while it's burning... See, I'm too spoiled from not having to sit back during a burn, therefore I don't want to start now. I switched SATA ports & I set the bios to IDE, but I'm not sure what else to try... Can anyone confirm or not whether the buffer on this drive is affected more b/c it's sharing an SATA controller with 2 hard drives? Just trying to figure out why the IDE burner is not affected while multi-tasking...

Notice the "Waiting for hard disk activity to reach threshold level... " in the ImgBurn log, while surfing the net (barely!)... Seems that the HDs are affecting it but I've tried ports 2,3,& 6 with no difference...

I 19:21:56 ImgBurn Version 2.3.2.0 started!
I 19:21:56 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
I 19:21:56 Total Physical Memory: 2,078,328 KB - Available: 1,414,076 KB
I 19:21:56 Initialising SPTI...
I 19:21:56 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 19:21:56 Found 1 DVD±RW and 1 DVD±RW/RAM!
I 19:22:45 Operation Started!
I 19:22:45 Source File: D:\ISOs\2nd_test_drive_alpinestars_RA_(89.77.89.88.76)(DA.dflt).ISO
I 19:22:45 Source File Sectors: 2,285,859 (MODE1/2048)
I 19:22:45 Source File Size: 4,681,439,232 bytes
I 19:22:45 Source File Volume Identifier: 2NDTDALP
I 19:22:45 Source File Implementation Identifier: DVD Shrink
I 19:22:45 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)
I 19:22:45 Destination Device: [2:1:0] TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203N SB01 (G:) (ATA)
I 19:22:45 Destination Media Type: DVD+R (Disc ID: MCC-004-00) (Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x, 16x, 18x, 20x)
I 19:22:45 Destination Media Sectors: 2,295,104
I 19:22:45 Write Mode: DVD
I 19:22:45 Write Type: DAO
I 19:22:45 Write Speed: 16x
I 19:22:45 Link Size: Auto
I 19:22:45 Test Mode: No
I 19:22:45 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 19:22:45 Filling Buffer... (40 MB)
I 19:22:46 Writing LeadIn...
I 19:23:05 Writing Image... (LBA: 0 - 2285858)
W 19:26:26 Waiting for buffers to recover...
W 19:26:29 Waiting for hard disk activity to reach threshold level...
I 19:26:30 Writing Image...
I 19:28:57 Synchronising Cache...
I 19:29:02 Closing Track...
I 19:29:05 Finalising Disc...
I 19:29:22 Image MD5: 8cf3513787066d2638ea0a20c3e8e091
I 19:29:22 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:06:37
I 19:29:22 Average Write Rate: 12,987 KB/s (9.4x) - Maximum Write Rate: 17,269 KB/s (12.5x)


FOR SALE: Samsung SH-203N burner........$15



jamez243 posted 2008 Jan 29 18:46
Newest development... when I burn a DVD at first... afterwards I get sound errors. No sound will play without logging off and logging back on. Ironically its just the opposite if I play a song first before burning... the burner locks up at the lead-in. I'm not 100% on this but tested both ways proved to be true. I'll test a few more times to be positive that's the case. Any ideas?


budz posted 2008 Jan 29 22:12
1wheelken: I've already mentioned to you when burning dvd media you shouldn't be surfing the net and have any programs running in the background. :roll: Stop whining about your burning and problems and use the suggestions constructively or buy IDE dvd burner. BTW it's against forum rules to post anything for sale. It be best to remove that "FOR SALE" thingy. :P Also the drive being attached to same channels as your hd has no bearing as well. I've got 3 SATA hard drives in one pc with one of my SAMSUNG S203B drive and have no problems or bottlenecks.

DVDDave :
WTF----I have his drive in three separate machines, and i never changed a setting---the thing is plug and play. to those having a problem, why not try a different SATA drive???


I totally :agree: ! :lol: :lol: :lol:


jamez243:your motherboard is a AMD socket 939, the SATA ports may not be compatible with SATA DVD burners which could be why your drive doesn't work correctly. Motherboards with the INTEL CHIPSET ICH7/8/9 will work fine with SATA dvd burners. NVIDIA chipset will work as well as long as the latest drivers are used. VIA chipset will not work therefore a SATA PCI CONTROLLER card with the SILICON IMAGE 3112/3114 chipset will work. The understanding is older motherboards that have SATA connections were made to specifically be used by HARD DRIVES. Either use a SATA PCI CONTROLLER CARD or just buy a IDE drive.

All of you who've complained about the SAMSUNG S203N drive do some reading at CDFREAKS.COM on the SAMSUNG S203B & S203N drives. You'll see that depending on what hardware you have will determine whether or not the drives will work correctly for you or not. :wink:

I've RMA'd one of my SAMSUNG S203B drives back in November 07 since the buffer was going crazy and the drive would not burn correctly on VERBATIM & TAIYO YUDEN dvd media. In fact the drive would lock up so I RMA'd back to Newegg and got a brand new drive. Simple as that! :P :lol: :lol: :lol:



seglertx posted 2008 Jan 30 00:55
I should have been a little clearer in my first post.

I experienced the same problem as 1wheelken using the same motherboard, but a Sony DRU-120C IDE DVD burner. This would suggest that 1wheelken's problem is not specific to using a Samsung SH-S203N, or even using another type of SATA DVD burner.

I had already eliminated the following problems that budz has also mentioned:

1. I stopped using NERO 7 Ultra because of the many bugs in it, and completely cleaned it from the system by reinstalling Window. (I use Roxio Creator 9, Ulead Movie Factory 4, and DVD Shrink for burning DVD's.)
2. I stopped burning DVD's at maximum speed and only use 12x at most. This eliminated burn errors, but did not stop the lock up problem with the DVD burner.
3. I stopped using unreliable brands of DVD's and only use verbatim.
4. In the BIOS setting for my SATA hard drives I have tried RAID, AHCI, and now use the IDE emulation setting.

After all of this, I continued having this same DVD burn lock up problem with the DVD just spinning. The only way I could avoid it was by completely staying off of my Intel DG965WH system during a DVD burn. If I wanted to surf the internet or do anything else, I had to use another computer.

I did not solve the problem with my DG965WH system until I also switched the IDE ATA/ATAPI controller driver from the Intel ICH8 driver to the default Microsoft IDE driver. Since then, I have been able to multi-task without any burn errors or lockups. I can now burn DVD's from one hard drive, while transferring movies to another drive from my DVR, surfing the internet with multiple tabs open, and listening to MP3's. While writing this post, I have been running a batch of 18 movies through VideoReDo to detect commercials, burning DVD's using Ulead Movie Factory 4, checking email, and opening up to three other tabs in my browser.

The problem I had was definitely related to the Intel ICH8 driver, or using the Intel drivers on the DG965WH motherboard. If I can burn a DVD without errors while multitasking on a 7 year old 1GHZ single core computer, any new computer should be able to do it. Don't let anyone tell you it can't be done, because I have been doing it for years.


1wheelken: When you were doing this multitasking while using the NEC DVD burner on the IDE connector, which IDE driver were you using? Was it the Intel ICH8 driver or the Microsoft "Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller" driver?

I would not advise using any version of NERO newer than 6. Version 7 simply has to many bugs and causes to many problems with other software. It should be avoided at all costs. I tried all the updates to 7.10.1.0, and finally gave up on it. A simple uninstall will not work because of the many registry entries it leaves behind. I started to clean the registry after uninstalling it until I saw how many entries it had left. It was just easier for me to backup my files, reformat the disk, and reinstall Windows.

jamez243: If you have no sound while playing a DVD in Windows Media Player, but it will play in NERO, then NERO is almost certain to be the cause of the problem. I am running Windows XP, Windows Media Player 11, and was using NERO 7, but it was the cause of this problem on my system. I imagine it was screwing around with the AC3 CoDec or its use by other programs.



jamez243 posted 2008 Jan 30 09:38
You are correct, using IMG Burn I've had no problems, but I haven't restarted since it was working lol, I'm afraid it might not work after a restart, will post tho if it happens. Thanks!


1wheelken posted 2008 Jan 30 10:32
First of all, I don't have time now for a full post but I have to respond to budz...

Why the hell can't you believe or understand that I have been able to burn HUNDREDS of DVDs while surfing the net, printing, etc???? Trust me I have! Part of business calls for burning DVDs for clients and during that time I check their accounts online and also print shipping labels for them, all while listening to music, etc....

What I'm trying to figure out is why the fn' samsung is so picky with other programs running and only likes "perfect" media? That's all... If it's bc it's SATA, then I'll buy a new IDE burner... If it's b/c its samsung, then I'll buy a different brand... It's only 20-30 bucks... BFD Or could it just be that I have the absolute best IDE burner in the world and will never be able to find such a masterpiece again to replace it???????

Get over the inability to multitask! As seglertx mentioned, I also could multitask on my old 1 GHz while burning with no problems! Yes, believe it...

Oh and the for sale post was a joke, I'd rather run it over....

-------


I have no idea about the drivers but I'll check later...



DVDDave posted 2008 Jan 30 10:40
i'll give you $15 bucks for it :)


seglertx posted 2008 Jan 30 18:58
I thought I would mention a shortcut for getting to “Device Manager” in Windows XP to check what drivers you are using.

Instead of going the conventional route:
Start Menu\Control Panel\Performance and Maintenance\System\Hardware\Device Manager

I prefer to use:
Start Menu\(right click) My Computer\Properties\Hardware\Device Manager

It 's a bit quicker, and does not open as many windows.

Once you are in Device Manager, you can locate “IDE ATA/ATAPI Controllers” and click on the + to open it. You will see right away what type of driver is being used by the name used to describe the controllers. If you are using the standard Microsoft drivers they will be labeled “Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE controller”. On the Intel DG965WH motherboard you have six SATA connectors, so you will see three controllers. If you are using the Intel drivers you will only see two controllers and I forget the exact name used, but it will include ICH8 and have a number for the controller.


If you want to change from the Intel drivers to the Microsoft ones, you will need to (right click) on the controllers, and then:
Click on “Update Driver”, and choose “No, Not this time” and click “Next”.
Choose “Install from a list or specific location”, and click “Next”.
Choose “Don't search, I will choose the driver to install”, and click “Next”.
On the list select “Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller”, and click “Next”.
Then click “Finish”.

Back in “Device Manager”, you will see that the name of the controller has changed. Now just repeat those steps for the other controller.

(If you still had the SATA connectors set to RAID or AHCI instead of IDE in the BIOS, the controllers would be listed as “SCSI and RAID controllers” in Device Manager.)



1wheelken posted 2008 Jan 30 20:12
All the drivers are Microsoft...

Not sure if it matters but it's set up like this:

Primary IDE Channel.............................................this one shows UltraDMA 5 for device 0 and 1
Primary IDE Channel
Primary IDE Channel..........................................shows UltraDMA 2 for device 1
Secondary IDE Channel...........................shows ultraDMA 5 for device 0
Secondary IDE Channel
Secondary IDE Channel
Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller

Thanks seglertx



budz posted 2008 Jan 30 21:15
1wheelken :
First of all, I don't have time now for a full post but I have to respond to budz...

Why the hell can't you believe or understand that I have been able to burn HUNDREDS of DVDs while surfing the net, printing, etc???? Trust me I have! Part of business calls for burning DVDs for clients and during that time I check their accounts online and also print shipping labels for them, all while listening to music, etc....

What I'm trying to figure out is why the fn' samsung is so picky with other programs running and only likes "perfect" media? That's all... If it's bc it's SATA, then I'll buy a new IDE burner... If it's b/c its samsung, then I'll buy a different brand... It's only 20-30 bucks... BFD Or could it just be that I have the absolute best IDE burner in the world and will never be able to find such a masterpiece again to replace it???????

Get over the inability to multitask! As seglertx mentioned, I also could multitask on my old 1 GHz while burning with no problems! Yes, believe it...

Oh and the for sale post was a joke, I'd rather run it over....

-------


I have no idea about the drivers but I'll check later...


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: then buy another ide dvd burner and GET OVER IT! :P



lordbyron2001 posted 2008 Jan 30 22:05
I have the same burner and it works great. But the problem I am having is that Lightscribe control panel does not recognize the drive. It just shows --No LightScribe Drives Found--. Does anyone know how to fix this or is there a more up-to-date firmware than on the website?


budz posted 2008 Jan 30 22:16
lordbyron2001 :
I have the same burner and it works great. But the problem I am having is that Lightscribe control panel does not recognize the drive. It just shows --No LightScribe Drives Found--. Does anyone know how to fix this or is there a more up-to-date firmware than on the website?


Download the lightscribe system software from their website. :wink:

http://www.lightscribe.com/downloadSection/



seglertx posted 2008 Jan 31 01:24
1wheelken: You have eliminated all of the problems that I have run across using my IDE DVD burner on this motherboard.

The individual IDE channels are not important, it is the controllers and the drivers that they are using that matter. The controllers govern the individual channels.

It seems that there may be further problems with either the Samsung SH-S203N DVD burner, or using a SATA DVD burner on this motherboard or similar motherboards. I can't think of anything else to mention at the moment. We will just have to wait for more data from others.

I hope the responses are as rational as you and I are. If you need any more help, or discover any solutions, I will monitor this post for a while. My responses may not be as fast, but I will check it for a few weeks.



budz posted 2008 Jan 31 01:41
seglertx :
1wheelken: You have eliminated all of the problems that I have run across using my IDE DVD burner on this motherboard.

It seems that there may be further problems with either the Samsung SH-S203N DVD burner, or using a SATA DVD burner on this motherboard or similar motherboards. I can't think of anything else to mention at the moment. We will just have to wait for more data from others.

I hope the responses are as rational as you and I are. If you need any more help, or discover any solutions, I will monitor this post for a while. My responses may not be as fast, but I will check it for a few weeks.


:lol: More data from others? Why don't the both of you just post this thread at the SAMSUNG FORUM at CDFreaks.com because I'm sure CoDeKinG, Zebadee, chef and other members will have the similar replies. :wink:
1wheelken just needs to RMA the drive at this point and just buy a IDE one. :lol: :P



DVDDave posted 2008 Jan 31 06:12
just because i don;t recall it being mentioned before, could there be a problem with the SATA cable?? Could there be a power supply issue???

this thread needs to be locked......



[_chef_] posted 2008 Jan 31 13:08
DVDDave :
just because i don;t recall it being mentioned before, could there be a problem with the SATA cable?? Could there be a power supply issue???

this thread needs to be locked......


Could be anything.............

But honestly, I see posts from two guys who wont to accept that they have to fix problems themselves or can act more polite and get help with it................ :idea:



DVDDave posted 2008 Jan 31 13:28
[_chef_] :
DVDDave :
just because i don;t recall it being mentioned before, could there be a problem with the SATA cable?? Could there be a power supply issue???

this thread needs to be locked......


Could be anything.............

But honestly, I see posts from two guys who wont to accept that they have to fix problems themselves or can act more polite and get help with it................ :idea:



I agree...again, like I already said, THIS THREAD NEEDS TO BE LOCKED!!!!!



lordbyron2001 posted 2008 Jan 31 15:18
budz :
lordbyron2001 :
I have the same burner and it works great. But the problem I am having is that Lightscribe control panel does not recognize the drive. It just shows --No LightScribe Drives Found--. Does anyone know how to fix this or is there a more up-to-date firmware than on the website?


Download the lightscribe system software from their website. :wink:

http://www.lightscribe.com/downloadSection/


i downloaded the current version last night before this post and it show that there are no lightscribe drives found



1wheelken posted 2008 Jan 31 15:21
First of all, I said from the beginning that I appreciate any suggestions/help. Also, I give thanks in every post...

But when someone tells me to stop whinning, well... I guess that's polite??? I said several times that I had no problems multitasking b4, yet that same person insists on ignoring that fact and telling me not to multitask...

I'll admit I did get some progress from his suggestions (ImgBurn, slower speed, better media, bios to IDE) but obviously there's still something wrong b/c of the buffer issue & locking up.... The difference between the affects of multitasking are HUGE between the IDE and the SATA drives and I just don't understand why I should accept that?

I did actually order a new IDE drive but I will keep the samsung b/c of the lightscribe and the fact that I'm dying to figure it out.... I'm really close to returning it, however this one is actually a replacement b/c the 1st one did the same thing and that makes me think it's on my end...

BTW, every similar post I can find doesn't have a resolution....



Billf2099 posted 2008 Feb 01 22:36
I had a problem with my samsung SATA as well. It would not go into DMA mode and the Nero tool did not do it either.
I tried everything. Then, I removed the packet writing software and my problems disappeared when doing the thing. Literally, it would not write at any speed faster then 1x. Which is crazy. But now it burns like the 18x champ that it is.

Some things to make sure of:
Make sure its the Master on the SATA channel its in. In the case of my motherboard which has both IDE and SATA connectors my 4 SATA connectors are two masters and two slaves. Make this a Master.

You could not burn at high speeds because of buffer issues. That could be a lot of things. But usually its a busy hard drive. Debulk that bad boy and defrag it. YOu also might have programs running in background that like to keep hard drives busy. It could be that your system just can't push the bits fast enough to burn faster. But theres lots of stuff you can do to help that out. Defragging is one big one.

I can surf and burn no problem and I'm running a single core AMD 3800. The only thing I can't really do while burning is do a lot of downloading and decoding. While burning I just hit the pause button on that program for the 4 -5 minutes it takes to burn a DVD.

Good luck, Samsung drives are quiet and have performed well for me in the past. My last two dvd burners were LiteOn's and I was pretty happy with them. But I wanted SATA.



[_chef_] posted 2008 Feb 03 07:10
@Billf2099,

SATA has not MASTER nor SLAVE, regardless what some software tells you.

@1wheelken,

you confuse 'Multitasking" with "Multithreading".



gcam posted 2008 Feb 06 19:55
hey all,

I see that I am not alone....

My SATA burner is about 2 weeks old, and prior to today I have not had any problems what so ever. I replaced my IDE (S202G), because a dvd blew up inside it and though it would burn it wouldnt read. The 203N's been burning fine until today. I had the same issues come up (as this thread) and really ticked me off (I have orders to fill), It would burn one dvd, then when trying to burn another it would freeze up or throw me an I/O error. I was using Nero 6 (latest) and then upgradd to N7 thinking that was an issue, then tried one burn (good) and the next one failure. I reboot and try again using multiple burns, with no windows open, again first one burned second one failed. I also tried IMGburn, first one worked, second one failed. I even tried dvd fab platinum, and got 2 good burns then a failed burn.

So I thought I would stick the IDE drive back in and see what happens, no go, it failed also for the same reason I/O error, so now I am stuck, like I said I have orders to fill and still need to burn some 30 dvds.

Here's my setup:

MSI K8MM3-V MOBO VIA chipset (firmware current)
AMD Sempron 754 2800 (1.6ghz) < I know too slow, upgrading soon
1.5gb RAM
500gb SATA Maxtor
2x250gb Maxtors

Will try posted help and see what happens

G



budz posted 2008 Feb 06 21:07
gcam :
Here's my setup:

MSI K8MM3-V MOBO VIA chipset (firmware current)
AMD Sempron 754 2800 (1.6ghz) < I know too slow, upgrading soon
1.5gb RAM
500gb SATA Maxtor
2x250gb Maxtors

Will try posted help and see what happens

G


Your problem is that VIA chipset on your motherboard. It doesn't matter if you're using the current firmware/drivers for that VIA chipset. SATA dvd burners will not work correctly with VIA chipset. You'll have to use a PCI SATA CONTROLLER CARD w/the SILICON IMAGE 3112/3114 chipset in order for a SATA dvd burner to work correctly. :roll: This has been discussed in this thread before. It's also a well known fact with other forum sites such as CdFreaks.com. :wink:



1wheelken posted 2008 Feb 06 21:13
I added a Pioneer DVR-115, IDE, and it works perfectly... One thing I noticed, and wasn't sure if it mattered or not, but both IDE drives are recognized as "DVD-RW" drives, however the SATA is recognized as a "CD-ROM"... :|


gcam posted 2008 Feb 06 21:27
Thats just great, guess I should have read up on this problem before I bought it, oh well back to IDE until I upgrade my sys. I'll save the 203N.

yeah just bought me one too, just hope overnight will get it tomorrow (unlikely)...

thanks



gcam posted 2008 Feb 06 21:28
budz :
gcam :
Here's my setup:

MSI K8MM3-V MOBO VIA chipset (firmware current)
AMD Sempron 754 2800 (1.6ghz) < I know too slow, upgrading soon
1.5gb RAM
500gb SATA Maxtor
2x250gb Maxtors

Will try posted help and see what happens

G


Your problem is that VIA chipset on your motherboard. It doesn't matter if you're using the current firmware/drivers for that VIA chipset. SATA dvd burners will not work correctly with VIA chipset. You'll have to use a PCI SATA CONTROLLER CARD w/the SILICON IMAGE 3112/3114 chipset in order for a SATA dvd burner to work correctly. :roll: This has been discussed in this thread before. It's also a well known fact with other forum sites such as CdFreaks.com. :wink:
wonder why it took so long to freak out...

thanks for info



budz posted 2008 Feb 06 23:37
gcam :
budz :
gcam :
Here's my setup:

MSI K8MM3-V MOBO VIA chipset (firmware current)
AMD Sempron 754 2800 (1.6ghz) < I know too slow, upgrading soon
1.5gb RAM
500gb SATA Maxtor
2x250gb Maxtors

Will try posted help and see what happens

G


Your problem is that VIA chipset on your motherboard. It doesn't matter if you're using the current firmware/drivers for that VIA chipset. SATA dvd burners will not work correctly with VIA chipset. You'll have to use a PCI SATA CONTROLLER CARD w/the SILICON IMAGE 3112/3114 chipset in order for a SATA dvd burner to work correctly. :roll: This has been discussed in this thread before. It's also a well known fact with other forum sites such as CdFreaks.com. :wink:
wonder why it took so long to freak out...

thanks for info


SATA on older motherboards like the one you have were made for hard drives and not optical drives.



budz posted 2008 Feb 06 23:39
1wheelken :
I added a Pioneer DVR-115, IDE, and it works perfectly... One thing I noticed, and wasn't sure if it mattered or not, but both IDE drives are recognized as "DVD-RW" drives, however the SATA is recognized as a "CD-ROM"... :|


:roll: :lol: Because you never had the settings on your system & motherboard set correctly for your SATA dvd burner.



gcam posted 2008 Feb 06 23:51
budz :


SATA on older motherboards like the one you have were made for hard drives and not optical drives.


I see, well thats what I get for keeping up with the times :shock:

I'll keep the burner handy for the next sys...

Thanks for the info.



seglertx posted 2008 Feb 07 05:44
gcam: I had a CD Fly apart inside of a 52x drive. When it flew apart, the tray partially opened and shards of plastic came flying out and went about about 6 feet. I have since limited the speed on drives to 32x or 40x.

Being able to burn one DVD and not a second unless you reboot, is a problem with Nero 7. I found that it was leaving processes running without reseting them after the first burn. This caused the second burn to fail. After I discovered the problem, I had to go in to Windows Task Manager to manually shut them down after each burn. I forget the specific names of the processes, but uninstalling Nero 7 should solve that problem. I don't remember Nero 7 effecting the use of other DVD burning software unless it was after burning a DVD with Nero, but it was interfering with a other software. Nero 7 has to be the worst piece of software I have seen in the last 30 years.

I also have an MSI K8MM-V that I use as a DVR, but I use an IDE drive with it. I have never tried a SATA drive on it, and never plan to. A SATA DVD burner is a bad choice for this board because it only has 2 SATA connectors to begin with. Wasting one of them by using a slow optical drive on it does not make sense. I use my SATA connectors for 400GB hard drives that store only video. The hard drive with the operating system and other software is on one IDE connector, and the DVD burner is on the other IDE.

I hope this helps. The IDE DVD is a good choice, but you will have the same problem until you uninstall Nero 7 and go back to 6 or use other software.



1wheelken posted 2008 Feb 07 07:30
budz :
1wheelken :
I added a Pioneer DVR-115, IDE, and it works perfectly... One thing I noticed, and wasn't sure if it mattered or not, but both IDE drives are recognized as "DVD-RW" drives, however the SATA is recognized as a "CD-ROM"... :|


:roll: :lol: Because you never had the settings on your system & motherboard set correctly for your SATA dvd burner.


I changed the setting from RAID to IDE in the BIOS, but I didn't see anything else I needed to change :? :?

What should I look for :?: I'm sorry if it was already mentioned but I don't recall any other setting suggestions...



seglertx posted 2008 Feb 07 08:12
_chef_: You are correct about SATA not having Slave and Master drives as IDE does.

However, 1wheelken's use of the term multitasking was correct. He was referring to running several different software applications on the same computer at the same time. Multi-threading is when a single job is divided between multiple CPU,s or CPU cores to use parallel processing for speeding up that single job.



Billf2099 posted 2008 Feb 07 08:15
_chef_ said:
@Billf2099,

SATA has not MASTER nor SLAVE, regardless what some software tells you.

Chef, that software would be the Windows operating system. On my motherboard the SATA devices are treated as IDE devices and having them as Master or Slave made HUGE differences on if they operate or not. When I loaded up XP with my SATA hard drive in the slave position after I moved it to a master the computer REFUSED to boot to that drive, despite preferences. That means it doesn't matter that in reality there is no Master or Slave relationship in the SATA specs, its how the hardware and software kludges it all up. With my SATA drives both on what XP and the motherboard call the Master spots everything it quite all right. Just because it works correctly on your system doesn't mean it works correctly on all systems and yes, my MB uses the silicon image chipset. The OS and MB in my system treat the SATA ports as IDE 3 and 4 with masters and slaves. My old computer also had SATA ports but I never ventured there as It also had 4 IDE channels. I'm not an early adopter so I didn't search out SATA the moment it came to life. On the current computer I was dismayed to find out it was limited to 150 on the SATA. Another strike against buying that brand again. But I got everything working despite the fact that it was a bit of a circus.

I guess you don't know everything.



gcam posted 2008 Feb 07 09:19
seglertx :
gcam: I had a CD Fly apart inside of a 52x drive. When it flew apart, the tray partially opened and shards of plastic came flying out and went about about 6 feet. I have since limited the speed on drives to 32x or 40x.


Yeah that was interesting, never had one blow up. This one did becasue it had a crack near the spindle and I was trying to read it, on the third try it popped

:
Being able to burn one DVD and not a second unless you reboot, is a problem with Nero 7. I found that it was leaving processes running without reseting them after the first burn. This caused the second burn to fail. After I discovered the problem, I had to go in to Windows Task Manager to manually shut them down after each burn. I forget the specific names of the processes, but uninstalling Nero 7 should solve that problem. I don't remember Nero 7 effecting the use of other DVD burning software unless it was after burning a DVD with Nero, but it was interfering with a other software. Nero 7 has to be the worst piece of software I have seen in the last 30 years.


You're right about that, I'm going back. Though the problem started with Nero 6, (installed 7 thinking 6 was the issue) then soon af ter I tried ImgBurn, and like before with Nero, first one good second one failed. I also tried DVD FAB platinum which doesnt have the Nero burning rom, but the VSO Burning engine. Though that one gave me two good ones then a burp.

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I also have an MSI K8MM-V that I use as a DVR, but I use an IDE drive with it. I have never tried a SATA drive on it, and never plan to. A SATA DVD burner is a bad choice for this board because it only has 2 SATA connectors to begin with. Wasting one of them by using a slow optical drive on it does not make sense. I use my SATA connectors for 400GB hard drives that store only video. The hard drive with the operating system and other software is on one IDE connector, and the DVD burner is on the other IDE.


Its a good MB, I have two of the same, and I also have SATA HDs, this burner was a "hmm :P , faster, faster"....It didnt dawn on me until after these issues. Now instead of pulling hair, i can relax knowing that it had issues.

:
I hope this helps. The IDE DVD is a good choice, but you will have the same problem until you uninstall Nero 7 and go back to 6 or use other software.


Well Like I said, the old burner still works, but havent tried it past Nero. I'll try after I get Nero 7 off. I have another (the pioneer 115) on the way, so if it still works I'll put it in the other MB.

Thanks



budz posted 2008 Feb 07 10:46
seglertx :
gcam: I had a CD Fly apart inside of a 52x drive. When it flew apart, the tray partially opened and shards of plastic came flying out and went about about 6 feet. I have since limited the speed on drives to 32x or 40x.

Being able to burn one DVD and not a second unless you reboot, is a problem with Nero 7. I found that it was leaving processes running without reseting them after the first burn. This caused the second burn to fail. After I discovered the problem, I had to go in to Windows Task Manager to manually shut them down after each burn. I forget the specific names of the processes, but uninstalling Nero 7 should solve that problem. I don't remember Nero 7 effecting the use of other DVD burning software unless it was after burning a DVD with Nero, but it was interfering with a other software. Nero 7 has to be the worst piece of software I have seen in the last 30 years.

I also have an MSI K8MM-V that I use as a DVR, but I use an IDE drive with it. I have never tried a SATA drive on it, and never plan to. A SATA DVD burner is a bad choice for this board because it only has 2 SATA connectors to begin with. Wasting one of them by using a slow optical drive on it does not make sense. I use my SATA connectors for 400GB hard drives that store only video. The hard drive with the operating system and other software is on one IDE connector, and the DVD burner is on the other IDE.

I hope this helps. The IDE DVD is a good choice, but you will have the same problem until you uninstall Nero 7 and go back to 6 or use other software.


:roll: Yah all need to understand that Older motherboards that have SATA ports were not made for OPTICAL DRIVES. End of story! 1wheelken at this point you're on your own since many suggestions were made to you with regard to your SAMSUNG drive so stop whining. :P

Billf2099: It doesn't matter if your SATA hard drives or dvd burners are hooked up on MASTER/SLAVE IDE. What chef meant was there's no jumper settings for SATA dvd burners. I have SATA dvd burners hooked up on SATA ports as SLAVE which work perfectly fine. :wink:



Billf2099 posted 2008 Feb 07 20:02
budz
It did matter, read my post. I could not get XP to boot when the hard drive was in the slave socket. My suggestion to 1wheelken was to make sure he was in the master position. I am certain that for optical drives it doesn't matter, when everything is actually working right. I usually had my optical ide drives as slaves when I ran out of masters. The lack of JUMPERS and sound card connectors on the optical drives are quite obvious. I have one jumper on my hard drive, one that allows me to lock it into SATA 150 mode. I was just trying to help, not get into an arguement over semantics.



budz posted 2008 Feb 07 22:31
Billf2099 :
budz
It did matter, read my post. I could not get XP to boot when the hard drive was in the slave socket. My suggestion to 1wheelken was to make sure he was in the master position. I am certain that for optical drives it doesn't matter, when everything is actually working right. I usually had my optical ide drives as slaves when I ran out of masters. The lack of JUMPERS and sound card connectors on the optical drives are quite obvious. I have one jumper on my hard drive, one that allows me to lock it into SATA 150 mode. I was just trying to help, not get into an arguement over semantics.


You couldn't get XP to boot because it should have been in MASTER. This thread is about the SATA SAMSUNG S203N drive not about SATA hard drives. Hard drives using SATA ports are a total different ball game for SATA DVD BURNERS. Who's arguing? :lol: I'm stating facts regarding this thread. Don't confuse others with information that doesn't pertain to the subject of the SATA SAMSUNG S203N drive. :wink:



[_chef_] posted 2008 Feb 08 14:12
I still say "there is no master / slave scheme with SATA". Some softwares make you think there is something about master/slave with SATA, but that is not the truth.
There are mobos with only 2 SATA ports, but there are also some that have 8 SATA ports. I'd like to see how you try figuring out what of them should refer to master or slave...
I use the onboard SATA ports here for my ODD and have extra Promise SATA contollers for my HDDs.

BTW, Billf2099, what should "I guess you don't know everything." imply? Or should it be a "useful" info for me??? It doesnt even sound like an "info". :(



Billf2099 posted 2008 Feb 09 12:44
_chef_ and budz. I do not know where to begin with either of you.
1 wheelken, now that you have your system in IDE and not RAID please remove all of the software and delete the ide's and reboot the system. Then hook everything back up and do not install NERO or any packet writing software. Then as another poster has suggested find a nero 6 from somewhere. But I think you can do everything you need to do with imgburn. Its how I went along for 4 months before I completely redid my system and finally was able to do a clean install of Nero. My SATA drive has worked without a hitch. Now back to the 'pests'

Both of you have been picking away at simple facts I stated.
My system, now an XP OS with SATA HD and Writer handles these devices as the masters on IDE 3 and IDE 4. That is a fact. Your posturing does not change it. I never told him to check jumpers as one of you inferred, I said make sure they are on the master connector. On my board there are 4 of them in a row. The top one is IDE3 master, the next IDE3 slave, the third IDE4 master. It did not take long to figure out how My system worked, it took two boots and two peeks into control panel/system. I'd say deciphering your system would take me about a whole 5 minutes _chef_ unless you have a slow booting system. Which gets me to my point which is.

Some people on this thread have attempted to help 1wheelken with his problem. Others have sat on the sidelines and tossed in snarky remarks and taken 'offense' at simple statements of fact. Budz, perhaps I am lumping you in on this pointlessly. I never said anything about checking jumpers on the SATA devices. I said make sure you have them on master connections. Your defense of _chef_ is admirable but misplaced.

_chef_ take my remark as a comment we ALL need said to us at times. You do not know everything. No one knows everything. If there is one thing that everyone who reads and writes on this forum should know is that all kinds of goofy things mess up both hardware and software in PC's.
Yet I see all kinds of pronouncements like "you can't burn and surf at the same time" And Socket 939 systems cannot handle SATA burners.

Both are false. I'm running a single core 3800 on a microatx motherboard with a number of things that bet against read good success yet I am burning to a SATA Drive and often have numerous windows open while burning at an average rate of about 14X for a DVD.

I had 1wheelken's problem. Yet my attempts to help are being snarked about by a couple people. Look, if you don't have anything to say to HELP 1wheelken, why don't you do us a favor and shut up. Attempts to tell me I'm not following the rules are laughable when they come from people who don't seem to follow the simplest rules of human conduct. Listen, think, then talk. As opposed to listen partially then jump on something you misunderstood.

Good luck 1wheelken. I hope you get it sorted out. Do not give up.



gcam posted 2008 Feb 09 13:07
I have always been able to Burn and surf, and do other projects at the same time. Like yesterday, I was able to burn (20+ dvds), print each dvd as they finished burning, check email, surf couple websites, edit a website, and all of that at the same time. And this was with the new IDE pioneer 115 IDE I just bought and installed, as was with the other IDE burner I have, maybe its a SATA thing (?).

I did start to burn without anything open, after I got the pioneer burner, that lasted about 3 burns. Then I opened some windows, and other programs and off I was. Though I set the max speed at 16X.

It may be that stuff running in the background (processes) is the issue, when I was burning without anything open (on top), ImgBurn log kept throwing up a yellow warning about the buffer recovering, and that it was waiting for the hard disk to stop its activity, or something like that. Though the burns would still finish with success.

Like I mentioned before I will keep the SATA burner, and use it late when I upgrade, or I just might go out today and pick up a controller card and test it out.

G



seglertx posted 2008 Feb 09 19:42
gcam wrote:

:
It may be that stuff running in the background (processes) is the issue, when I was burning without anything open (on top), ImgBurn log kept throwing up a yellow warning about the buffer recovering, and that it was waiting for the hard disk to stop its activity, or something like that. Though the burns would still finish with success.


That sounds like it may be anti-virus software scanning the video files as you read and write them to the hard drive. I always disable scans of hard drives or folders that I only use for video files.

I also store my video files on a separate hard drive instead of the one with the OS and Software. Video software normally uses a folder on the system drive to temporarily store the video it has converted to DVD format before burning them to the DVD. If you use only a single drive, the software would have to alternate between reading and writing to it. This is much slower than reading files from one drive, converting them, and writing them to the system drive.



budz posted 2008 Feb 09 19:53
Billf2099 :
_chef_ and budz. I do not know where to begin with either of you.
1 wheelken, now that you have your system in IDE and not RAID please remove all of the software and delete the ide's and reboot the system. Then hook everything back up and do not install NERO or any packet writing software. Then as another poster has suggested find a nero 6 from somewhere. But I think you can do everything you need to do with imgburn. Its how I went along for 4 months before I completely redid my system and finally was able to do a clean install of Nero. My SATA drive has worked without a hitch. Now back to the 'pests'

Both of you have been picking away at simple facts I stated.
My system, now an XP OS with SATA HD and Writer handles these devices as the masters on IDE 3 and IDE 4. That is a fact. Your posturing does not change it. I never told him to check jumpers as one of you inferred, I said make sure they are on the master connector. On my board there are 4 of them in a row. The top one is IDE3 master, the next IDE3 slave, the third IDE4 master. It did not take long to figure out how My system worked, it took two boots and two peeks into control panel/system. I'd say deciphering your system would take me about a whole 5 minutes _chef_ unless you have a slow booting system. Which gets me to my point which is.

Some people on this thread have attempted to help 1wheelken with his problem. Others have sat on the sidelines and tossed in snarky remarks and taken 'offense' at simple statements of fact. Budz, perhaps I am lumping you in on this pointlessly. I never said anything about checking jumpers on the SATA devices. I said make sure you have them on master connections. Your defense of _chef_ is admirable but misplaced.

_chef_ take my remark as a comment we ALL need said to us at times. You do not know everything. No one knows everything. If there is one thing that everyone who reads and writes on this forum should know is that all kinds of goofy things mess up both hardware and software in PC's.
Yet I see all kinds of pronouncements like "you can't burn and surf at the same time" And Socket 939 systems cannot handle SATA burners.

Both are false. I'm running a single core 3800 on a microatx motherboard with a number of things that bet against read good success yet I am burning to a SATA Drive and often have numerous windows open while burning at an average rate of about 14X for a DVD.

I had 1wheelken's problem. Yet my attempts to help are being snarked about by a couple people. Look, if you don't have anything to say to HELP 1wheelken, why don't you do us a favor and shut up. Attempts to tell me I'm not following the rules are laughable when they come from people who don't seem to follow the simplest rules of human conduct. Listen, think, then talk. As opposed to listen partially then jump on something you misunderstood.

Good luck 1wheelken. I hope you get it sorted out. Do not give up.


:sleepin: You must not have a life with having to post a bunch of BS. :lol: :lol: :lol:

:P Post this thread at Cdfreaks.com in the SAMSUNG FORUM & let's just see how many will respond to the OP's problem. I'm sure you will get lots of responses from members over there. :roll: :lol:



gcam posted 2008 Feb 09 19:58
seglertx :
gcam wrote:

:
It may be that stuff running in the background (processes) is the issue, when I was burning without anything open (on top), ImgBurn log kept throwing up a yellow warning about the buffer recovering, and that it was waiting for the hard disk to stop its activity, or something like that. Though the burns would still finish with success.


That sounds like it may be anti-virus software scanning the video files as you read and write them to the hard drive. I always disable scans of hard drives or folders that I only use for video files.

I also store my video files on a separate hard drive instead of the one with the OS and Software. Video software normally uses a folder on the system drive to temporarily store the video it has converted to DVD format before burning them to the DVD. If you use only a single drive, the software would have to alternate between reading and writing to it. This is much slower than reading files from one drive, converting them, and writing them to the system drive.


May be, but I also have all video files on separate HD, the sys drive (OS/Software) is a 250gb split twice (119-119), then I have anther 250gb IDE, and a 500 gb SATA. The 250 and 500 hold video, the second 119 has video also but not used often. I do all of my editing on the 250 or 500, never on the 119. So it may be something else.

G



[_chef_] posted 2008 Feb 10 04:21
Well, Mr. Billf2099.
I suggest you read your big post (which is nothing else than a big buggering and taste of offence) over and over again.
And, maybe in a near distant future you will recognize that it was really a useless post (except the last line).

I say it clearly: spit again and I'll not resist to report to the forum staff. You may not have understood the forum rules yet... :idea:



Billf2099 posted 2008 Feb 10 10:31
Gcam,
How fragmented is that hard drive? I find that when drives get really full I do see my burner struggle to keep both buffers full. Theres also a maximum on 'traffic' on the highway you are using. HD to burner is a lot of traffic, since computers are rational devices they share the resources. So doing a intensive thing on the other harddrive will be using up the traffic space available. So doing a HD cleaning and defrag would also help. I've never run into the virus scanner thing, but I've seen virus scanners that eat resources like there is no tomorrow. I got rid of Norton for that reason.



Billf2099 posted 2008 Feb 10 10:43
Budz and Chef
I actually had 1wheelken's problem and fixed it on my computer yet you decided to take issue with what I said. I take offense at what both of you have said. Go ahead and report away. I'm sure that Baldrick will read the whole thing, he's going to be thinking that you both are acting like children because I was trying to help someone while you were picking at semantics. I don't have a million posts here, but I know my way around the insides of computers. The reason why I don't have a million posts here is unless I have something to say that I think will help someone I don't say it. Something that neither of you can say. Both of you took a poke at a bear and you are surprised he has a roar. Perhaps you ought to encourage people instead of being complete jerks. It doesn't take long to see who thinks they run a place. I've got a life and I've wasted too much of it on the likes of you two. I don't back down from thug behaviour. Call it a character flaw.



seglertx posted 2008 Feb 11 01:21
Gcam:

I just thought of another cause of those errors from excessive hard drive activity. Have you disabled indexing of your hard drives by Microsoft Office Find Fast, Windows Indexing, Google Desktop, and similar programs? This can cause more problems than scans by anti-virus software, and disabling them will also free up a lot of space on the hard drive. (Eliminating the hibernation feature will also free up more space on the hard drive, but has no bearing on problems with DVD burning.)

Other cause of excessive background processes are supposed "Quick Launch Programs" like the "Microsoft Office Startup Assistant". These are supposed to speed up the launching of the programs they are packaged with, but seldom do. They are always taking up memory and some like OSA.exe can bring an older CPU to a standstill. Excessive files or shortcuts on the desktop can be a problem. One that many people overlook, and can really slow down a Windows system are excessive installed fonts. Unless you are using a computer for desktop publishing, you should always keep the installed fonts to a bare minimum.

You seem to be making good use of your hard drives to eliminate the problems of burning DVD's. I expected as much after seeing the specs of this system in your first post. I only mentioned the use of one drive for unedited files and another for the edited files just in case you had overlooked this. I forgot to mention also using a separate hard drive for your Virtual Memory/RAM. I normally leave this on the system drive for home computers, but transfer it to a normally unused drive on a computer that I use for video editing or CAD work.

The anti-virus software issue is the main thing I wanted to point out in my previous post, and any of them can cause problems if the security settings are set to high, or set in the wrong way. You always want to disable the scanning of video files that you have created and know to be free of viruses.

I do agree with Billf2099 about Norton/Symantec. I have used Norton from the beginning, and continued using Norton/Symantec Products at home because I got them at no cost. I used the "Internet Security" package till last year, when I got tired of the overhead it caused on my computers. The Norton/Symantec "System Works" package has always been a huge drag on a system even when only the firewall and anti-virus parts are enabled, and I never used it but did test it through 2005.

The Intel C2D systems that 1wheelken and I are running are much faster than yours, so result will be much different. Even my version 1 K8MM-V system is quite faster than yours. I built it for use in a sun room. It uses a laptop CPU with 4x the L2 cache that yours has, with a huge heatpipe cooler. It benchmarks between a 3200+ and a3400+ in a room at 80-90 degrees Fahrenheit, with the CPU running 4 degrees over room temperature. (measured by a calibrated infrared sensor from work.)

I only mentioned this, because I do not want you to expect the same results from your computer. I was able to run DVDDecrypter, surf the internet, and use a word processor at the same time on my K8MM-V system. I seldom did this because it slowed the system down. With the system you are using, you need to cut all unneeded background processes out of the loop.

Considering the limitations of your system, I agree with budz's recommendation in refraining from any other use of the system while it is compressing, or converting and burning video to DVD's. It should be able to do this with no errors or warnings if you have disabled the indexing, anti-virus scanning, and are using DVD burning software that is efficient and geared for that system.

I found that Nero 7 Ultra Edition was using about 70% of both cores on my Intel 6400 system during compression, and did little better than Roxio EMC 9 in losing consecutive frames. Neither of them even came close to the quality of DVDShrink in compression quality. Nero 7 was obviously able to multi-threading, but was very inefficient at this task.

You have not mentioned what your source of your video is, and how you process it. This may be pertinent to this thread of discussion or not. If what we have mentioned does not help, keep this in mind.


I may be verbose, but I hope it helps! :D



joleca7 posted 2009 Aug 24 13:30
BUDZ,

almost 2 years later, your advice (Posted: Jan 15, 2008 22:42) is still very very helpful... I know nothing about hardware, etc and when the desktop my ex built (either for '98 or XP) crashed, burned & fried last month, the only things salvageable were the case, the 2 200GB SATA drives and a USB add-on card.. So basically after not finding anything I could afford that would meet my needs, I bought everything to build a new machine (excepting the parts above) and the store was kind enough to put together & reload my OS for no charge.. :nod:

So, spent the last month reloading software, etc and yesterday tried to burn a project I'd converted (ConvertXtoDVD3).. The burner came up in "PIO" mode and when I checked the IDE controllers in the Device Manager, there was NO way to enable DMA (the SH-S203N drive).. Was almost ready to unplug everything, pack the computer up and go back to the shop today... Then I stumbled on this post... :ideias: I didn't know that this was a SATA drive (they didn't give me any info).. But all the new drives (2 1TB Seagates, etc) are all SATA.. So, went into the BIOS (Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P) and followed your instructions.

The shop had set to ACHI, enabled "Native Mode", and set Onboard SATA to AHCI).. changed to what you listed, re-booted, re-booted again after Vista found and loaded all the drivers and now have a working burner (with DMA enabled)... Thanks so very much!! :jump:

FYI, after following your instructions the non-lightscribe burner (SH-S222A) was suddenly showing as "RAID".. followed the instructions posted at this site http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/257572-30-ep45-ud3p and updated the Gigabyte Driver to standard dual channel IDE device and both drives now display and work as they should..




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