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| wabjxo posted 2007 Nov 27 13:44 | ||||||
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| lordsmurf posted 2007 Nov 27 14:20 | ||||||
| Wrestling is the most difficult thing to record off television, not football. In fact, baseball is harder than football, because of the way it's shot. Football is fairly easy, about on par with a typical movie or television show. | ||||||
| wabjxo posted 2007 Dec 02 14:36 | ||||||
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| lordsmurf posted 2007 Dec 02 14:41 | ||||||
| The Philips does pass HDTV. I have the coax from the wall right into the recorder, then out to the tv, where QAM is still there with all the 720 and 1080 channels. Unlike my cable box, which strips HD content. | ||||||
| wabjxo posted 2007 Dec 02 14:50 | ||||||
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| lordsmurf posted 2007 Dec 04 10:14 | ||||||
| Hmmm .... if you have cable Internet, plug the modem in after it and see if it works. My IP is a semi-static DHCP, so I don't want to unplug myself and lose the IP. Otherwise I'd test for you.
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| wabjxo posted 2007 Dec 04 10:37 | ||||||
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| handyguy posted 2007 Dec 04 10:52 | ||||||
| Creepy:
'The whole CC area is somewhat tricky, with all sorts of landmines such as (1) a Second Audio Program (SAP) can be used as an option for CC (solution: turn on SAP); (2) sending Progressive scan over Component cables will "strip" ANALOG CC since it's in the VBI of an Interlaced signal (solution: send 480i); and (3) HDMI can't send ANALOG CC to the TV (solution: use other connection).' | ||||||
| lordsmurf posted 2007 Dec 04 11:06 | ||||||
| I have PPV, but I never buy anything. I guess I could try some of the free on-demand shows. I could rewire the digital box. Right now, I have the signal split, not chained. | ||||||
| wabjxo posted 2007 Dec 04 11:35 | ||||||
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| LCSHG posted 2007 Dec 04 16:13 | ||||||
| wabjxo
When you say the 3575 First on the cable. Do you mean it would be placed First on the cable input than from the 3575 to the Cable input It seems that is implied. If so can the 3575 pick up a signal from the cable without a cable box to decode it? If it cannot why put it first before the box? | ||||||
| wabjxo posted 2007 Dec 04 16:39 | ||||||
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| LCSHG posted 2007 Dec 04 18:07 | ||||||
| wabixo
A bi-directional Cable Box is required to order any Pay For View programs Call a cable company like Time Warner, they will tell you that an order For a Pay For View program requires a bi-directional Box. If one received some programs unscrambled and that’s all they used. They wouldn’t need a cable box. If they wanted PPV, regardless of service purchased They would Need A Cable Box. Are you saying that an owner of a 3575 should put it in front of the cable box? --- Why My service at present is Dish Network and a Pay For View order is by Phone For Cable,and there was no Cable Box. How would one order a Pay For View program? Use the 3575, or another pass through recorder, or the TV? --- I Don’t Think So My son-in-law has cable service and receives some 40 channels without using a cable box. But he does purchase some Pay For View programs and for this he has to use a cable box, That was provided by the cable co. | ||||||
| wabjxo posted 2007 Dec 04 18:28 | ||||||
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| lordsmurf posted 2007 Dec 04 19:01 | ||||||
| I have to wonder why you'd put a cable box AFTER the recorder. Would you not want to maybe record some of those programs? Am I missing something here? | ||||||
| jjeff posted 2007 Dec 04 19:09 | ||||||
| LCSHG,
I think the reason a person would want to have the 3575 BEFORE the cable box, would be to be able to record a program that the 3575 can tune into. Then at the same time, say watch something different on the cable box. What would complicate things though is if you needed to request something from PPV, that would require that the cable box send a signal BACK THRU the 3575. I think the issue is, does the 3575 allow signal to go backwards thru it, back to the cable company. At least that's how I read it. And yes, to be able to record something that came out of the cable box(eg. PPV), the 3575 would have to be AFTER the cable box, but that's not the question. | ||||||
| lordsmurf posted 2007 Dec 04 19:16 | ||||||
| "would be to be able to record a program that the 3575 can tune into. Then at the same time, say watch something different on the cable box"
This is why I am split instead of chaining. | ||||||
| wabjxo posted 2007 Dec 04 19:16 | ||||||
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| jjeff posted 2007 Dec 04 19:40 | ||||||
| Wabjxo, Sorry, your right. I was thinking of the old days, when a person would record only off of coax, but of course a person would just use the line out of the cable box to go back to the 3575's line in, so no need to have the cable box before the 3575. Hopefully you'll find someone out there to answer your original question, all stay out of the frey, since I dont have a 3575(yet) or any pay tv. | ||||||
| lordsmurf posted 2007 Dec 04 19:47 | ||||||
| I've got to say that the "no loss" aspect is arguable. A high-bandwidth Monster splitter could easily outperform the built-in wiring that performs the pass-through of a DVD recorder. Signal loss can happen inside the machine.
Not saying that it does, but it could. So maybe this is a moot point? If its in the name of quality, it might all be in vain? | ||||||
| wabjxo posted 2007 Dec 04 19:50 | ||||||
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| LCSHG posted 2007 Dec 04 21:34 | ||||||
| wabjxo
jjeff wLordy, Lordy, You are both an example of – how to make a very easy system a nightmare A Cable co. is required provide 1000mv signal to a customer When I had cable I used a splitter or two to connect my equipment to record and play different programs. I would defy you or anyone to tell the difference in recording with or without splitter. You could sure tell using some machines pass-through With satellite I use a splitter on the output for two of my recorders When lordsmurf said a machine could be worse than a splitter, he was being kind. Why would any thinking person that liked or had a3575 be concerned about it being? Bi-directional With satellite service it would make no difference. With Cable a splitter would be far better than this obsession with pass-through Not only the cable box but your thinking is in Timbucktu Your comment “I'm sorry we're not "connecting" on this, and I think it might only get more confused with more discussion. Let's just say you're right.” --------------------------------------------------------- That’s a REAL COPOUT It’s condescending but only proves you can’t back up your comments. The comments mad in your Reviews are off the wall and wrong. Yet you continue to ignore comments that point to errors in your review and comments Many if not all the links are to comments made by you and way to many are wrong On this site and another there have been some very good (reviews) comments relating to the 3575 yours is Not One | ||||||
| wabjxo posted 2007 Dec 04 21:43 | ||||||
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| lordsmurf posted 2007 Dec 04 22:29 | ||||||
| You also experience loss of signal by using flimsy RG59 cables. Using decent-graded RG6 tends to solve most signal quality issues. Yank every wire in the house if you have to, and even up to the pole.
Amplifiers can help at key splits. Before or after, your choice, test for quality variances. Good ones, not crappy ones. Then high-db splits and short wires from wall to unit are best. Do not EVER have coiled up wire laying around. That's where your signal quality disappears, into those unused lengths. Learn to cut wire and re-head it ourself, make small 1-foot and 2-foot lengths. Or beg the local cable-co to do it for you, and they often comply happily. It takes them (literally) about 30 seconds to head a wire because they do it so often and have the special tools for it. Never rely on component internals to truly pass a signal unharmed. Some are fine, but a majority of them do degrade, as the internal Chinese crap-grade wiring is weak. This held true with VCRs as much as it does DVD recorders. Both passed, just that VCRs also modulated a signal out with it, not just simple pass. Even if pass-through is bidirectionally transparent, it's still ideal to keep modems and other comm-priority devices closest to the household input, not farther down a chain or split combo. Pretty much watch yourself from the dish or pole all the way to the television, when dealing with coaxial cables. DSL being faster than cable is a myth too, FYI. Just want to throw that in. Most anti-cable folks had a bad experience with a bunch of cruddy wires or other bad coax setup. DSL plans are typically the slower plans these days, as many lines are aged by decades, or simply overcrowded in older sections of town. | ||||||
| LCSHG posted 2007 Dec 04 23:43 | ||||||
| Lordsmurf
You and I have had some differences in opinions but I respect your opinions I say this because I don’t want anyone to think I’m another jjeff. In your last post I Fully Agree With You More problems are caused by faulty equipment, cables and/or connections I use the composite some s-video outputs. Except for some functions that may only be provide on, component , I feel they are as good To add With all things being reasonably, equal as the system, cable connections, etc I have DSL and have noticed a slowdown in service that, I feel is caused by excessive use and poor lines. Given proper connections I feel --- Cable is faster by a good 30% | ||||||
| Rletson posted 2007 Dec 05 17:27 | ||||||
| Just a data point: Took delivery on a 3575H from Circuit City and on setup noted that 1) it couldn't get past digital channel 117 (tried forever to tune it) and 2) the disc drawer refused to open. Other functions, including a brief test recording to HD, seemed OK. Philips service (quickly contacted and pretty articulate) suggested a genuine mechanical/electrical problem and offered an RMA if CC balked. CC customer service (quickly contacted but less articulate) suggested taking it back to the local store for replacement/refund. (I'll try the former--there just aren't any reasonable HDD alternatives.)
Thanks, by the way, to Wabjxo and the others here who piled up so much info and made researching which box to buy pretty much a one-stop affair. | ||||||
| wabjxo posted 2007 Dec 05 18:17 | ||||||
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| lordsmurf posted 2007 Dec 05 18:21 | ||||||
| Hold in the disc drawer button longer than normal. But not too long. Not too short. It's quirky, like my laptop.
Digital channels can take 30-40 minutes to scan. Wait. | ||||||
| Rletson posted 2007 Dec 05 20:56 | ||||||
| Wabjxo: Our cable carries both analog and digital signals--the Philips tore through the 70+ analog stations and only stalled on digital 117. When I stopped the scan and then tried to access the digital channels manually, the tuner would go to right 177 and nowhere else. If I stopped it early, I could see a handful of local and cable-system signals--but stepping up to Black Hole #117 always stopped everything cold. I'll have to ask Charter what's lurking there.
Lord S: I tried various button-pressings for the drawer, but nothing worked. The unit (which, if it matters, had a September pack date) went back to CC, and I await its replacement. | ||||||
| wabjxo posted 2007 Dec 05 21:11 | ||||||
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| raykor posted 2007 Dec 19 02:56 | ||||||
| Can I connect this unit's S-Video IN port to the S-Video OUT port on a PC graphics card? | ||||||
| lordsmurf posted 2007 Dec 19 05:26 | ||||||
| Computer out to DVD recorder, via s-video, sure no problem. I do it with my laptop. | ||||||
| raykor posted 2007 Dec 19 09:45 | ||||||
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| MCnDaHouse posted 2007 Dec 20 15:42 | ||||||
| I got my aunt one of these from Circuitcity.com for $289.99 plus tax with free shipping (they don't sell them in the stores). I am very pleased with it. The recording quality to the HDD is great.
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| lordsmurf posted 2008 Feb 14 12:59 | ||||||
| It does not appear that the UK model does HD like the USA version.
That sucks for you European folks. | ||||||
| mray posted 2008 Feb 17 06:23 | ||||||
| Hi.
I have the UK version 3570. I'm not sure if it's similar to the US version. It only has an analogue tuner. You can't record directly to disc. The remote is rubbish. Rubbery, tiny keys and no eject. Editing is an awkward and imprecise task. There seems to be no way to maintain the HDD. Naming titles is time consuming. The only good thing I can say about it really, is that the recording quality is very good and it records to dual layer. | ||||||
| jjeff posted 2008 Feb 17 13:37 | ||||||
| Having owned the 3575, I can say 1. you can record directly to disc 2. the remote may have small keys, but how else are you going to fit the ~47 different buttons onto a remote you can easily fit into your hand, and yes the 3575 does also not have eject on remote. 3. Editing is no more awkward and imprecise than any other DVDR I have used. 4. Title naming is tedious on any DVDR I have used, for easier editing I would think a PC would be the only better method. 5. The US version does not record to Dual Layer discs, so you're one up on us yanks in that respect. I've also read that your model allows videos to be played via the USB port, a feature lacking on the US model. | ||||||
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| jjeff posted 2008 Feb 17 14:45 | ||||||
| I knew I should have let you answer this one, my memory's already fading. :D I was just guessing on the 47 different buttons too. All I remember is you said it was in the high 40's, and I personally don't remember the remote being particularly rubbery, although I suppose that could be subjective. | ||||||
| mray posted 2008 Feb 18 10:19 | ||||||
| Hi.
I was comparing it to Pioneer, Sony, JVC and Panasonic machines, which I have owned, and are all better IMO. I called Philips support regarding recording directly to DVD and they told me it was not possible, "you must record to the HDD first" was their reply. Each to his own! :) | ||||||
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| mray posted 2008 Feb 18 12:48 | ||||||
| I still have them! They all operate better, and have more options for recording, have better remotes. You name it. As I said the only thing I can find in this machines favour is the recording quality in HQ and SP. Even there though, the Sony and Pioneer are better. Excepting HQ mode, which seems slightly more detailed on the few I've made on the Philips.
I am a sucker for a bargain, but this machine will not record directly to DVD. That's why I called support in the first place, because I couldn't find a way to do it. When you press record, the HDD starts recording. There is no choice between HDD or DVD in the settings, or on the remote, or on the unit. When editing, the only option for deleting sections seems to be "hide", and it's a pig to hide the last part of a recording because at the end of the recording the machine doesn't pause. It returns you to the edit menu. Just a couple of reasons why I don't like it. ***By the way, my machine is the UK spec 3570, not the 3575*** | ||||||
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| mray posted 2008 Feb 18 13:25 | ||||||
| As I pointed out in my first post, my machine is the UK VERSION 3570.
The reason I mentioned my machine was because on a different post someone mentioned that the UK 3570 was the same/similar as the US 3575. I wasn't trying to confuse anybody. | ||||||
| dragut posted 2008 Mar 05 21:17 | ||||||
| Hi all
I have bought recently Philips DVDR3575 and having some setup problems. I read the posts in this forum and used 3575 1st in the line. I have connection like this: TWC cable outlet to 3575 and to the cable box and to the VCR and finally to the TV all with coax. And A/V connection from cable box to 3575 to be able to record from the box. I have a old TV with only RCA connection so I use VCR kind of RF modulator to switch to TV/DVD. From the setup I scanned analog/digital channels and analog channels scanned without any problems. However I can't get any digital channels. Moreover it stuck at channel 135. I waited almost 45 but it did nothing. Here is my question. What am I doing wrong?. Any feedback is greatly appreciated thanks | ||||||
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| dragut posted 2008 Mar 06 08:46 | ||||||
| I'll try it tonight. Thanks | ||||||
| dragut posted 2008 Mar 06 12:48 | ||||||
| I have a follow up question
Is this problem go away with Firmware update? Do I need to update my firmware. What kind of problem is this upgrade addressing to? thanks | ||||||
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| Trollheart posted 2008 Mar 08 15:08 | ||||||
| Hi guys.
Two quick questions if anyone can help out. I'm about to go for the 3595 (bigger brother of the 3575?), and wondered will I be able to record from my SKY box without any hassle? Also, can I pause "mixes" of music and resume where I left off? (Sorry, I had a longer, more articulate version written but my mouse clicked BACK and I lost the whole thing!) Thanx for any replies! | ||||||
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| Trollheart posted 2008 Mar 09 05:08 | ||||||
| Thanx. The SKY box is a standalone set-top box, linked to a mini-dish which is located outside the house (duh!) on my wall. SKY charge a monthly subscription to receive their channels. It's currently hooked in vai SCART to my Panny and my telly: should this setup be ok too with the Philips? Not entirely sure what you mean about a line-in: is that the same as a SCART, or are you talking about another cable altogether?
Just want to be sure before I go handing over my cash! Thx again TH | ||||||
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| Trollheart posted 2008 Mar 09 11:56 | ||||||
| wabjxo, that sounds right. My TV at the moment is connected to my SKY box through SCART, as is the current DVD recorder, so if I continue that setup with the new one I guess that should be ok. My telly only has the SCART connections, so even if composite would work, I don't think I'd be able to use it.
Anyway, as most everyone connects through SCART here, I don't really think they could sell it if it couldn't be linked up through SCART... Thx again! | ||||||
| BrokenOne posted 2008 Mar 09 15:55 | ||||||
| Is the Philips DVDR3475/37 the same as the Philips DVDR3575H/37? Just without a HDD? Does Philips DVDR3475/37 it produce the same picture/sound as the Philips DVDR3575H/37? | ||||||
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| KeepItSimple posted 2008 Mar 17 03:44 | ||||||
| Hello I've started having a problem with the digital tuner and not sure if it's a problem with the 3575 or the cable.
I WAS getting the local digital/hd channels on the 3575's tuner until a week or 2 ago. I had the cable running through the 3575 before it went to the cable box. I got all the analog channels and a bunch of digital ones. Then stupid me I had Comcast come out because I couldn't get the OnDemand to work on the cable box. The guy said "Oh here's the problem, you have your equipment hooked up wrong and pointed to the cable going through the 3575 before it went to the cable box. I said "I've been doing this for years no problem with VCRs/DVD Recorders so I can record 1 program on the recorder and watch another on the cable box. He said "Well it looks like it finally caught up with you". I have no idea what he meant by that like I was doing an unauthorized illegal thing or something. Anyway he re-connected it his way (cable box 1st, then to DVD Recorder, then TV), then after he left I re-connected to go through the 3575 1st (but no OnDemand on cable box this way, not sure why since the 3575 is supposed to "boost" the signal, not cut it). The DTV on the 3575 right off the cable worked for a few more days then stopped. I get nothing now on DTV. All the analog channels are there. My question is 1.Could there be a problem with the 3575 digital tuner? My 90-day refurb warranty is up in 2 weeks so if the machine's broken I gotta send it back now. or 2. Could Comcast have "done something" the kill the digital channels coming through my wire? The Comcast guy's diagnostic box was hooked up to my cable box for about 10 minutes doing something but I don't know what. or 3. Could it have nothing to do with me and with changes Comcast is making in my area and I should be glad to have gotten those HD channels for free for a while anyway? Thanks! EDIT: BTW I don't have a TV with a digital tuner darn it so I can't check the digital signal that way. | ||||||
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| jjeff posted 2008 Mar 17 09:54 | ||||||
| KIS, It sounds like you answered a question that has been floating around a long time. That is, Is the 3575 built in amplifier "bi-directional" meaning can it pass information back through the 3575 to the wall jack(and eventually to the cable company).
We all know the 3575 RF amplifier does a good job of boosting the signal from the wall to the devices downstream from the 3575, but I think their was always the question if the signal could go backwards, that is from your STB back through the 3575 to the cable co. It sounds like, in your case for sure, that the 3575's RF amplifier is indeed NOT bi-directional(that or your 3575 is faulty) which I doubt. In your case then I would say to split the cable signal from the wall jack, having one side go to your STB, and the other side go to your 3575 and then to your TV.(this is assuming you don't watch your STB on your TV via ch3 or 4). As far as your cable co., yes I believe they can filter all your channels like they did. I had a friend who had analog cable for years. He had a STB for his downstairs TV and a cable ready TV upstairs. He got all the analog channels and "in the clear" digital ones on his upstairs TV. Well he upgraded to a Digital STB downstairs. After the cable guy left he got all the channels on his STB downstairs, but only the "local" analog channels on his upstairs TV. Not even upper analog channels on his upstairs. Only LOCALS. He was ticked! He called Comcast back and they said he would have to "pay" extra for that upstairs TV to get anything but the locals. They said it should have always been that way before, and he should count his blessings he got it free for so long. Since your 3575 warranty expires soon you should really try and get another TV or DVDR w/digital tuner hooked up to your line ASAP. If it also didn't get any digital channels you would know it was NOT the 3575. If it did get digitals you could suspect the 3575. I take it you've tried another channel scan on the 3575? It really sounds like it's something your cable co did and not the 3575 since everything was fine until they showed up. | ||||||
| KeepItSimple posted 2008 Mar 17 12:22 | ||||||
| I got the Digital channels back. I unplugged/plugged it back in, did a channel scan and the channels came back, actually better than before because it didn't hang up on Digital Ch. 117 like it was doing!
I'll prob. have to get a splitter anyway because the OnDemand doesn't come in with the cable connected thru the 3575. Thanks for the help! | ||||||
| dragut posted 2008 Mar 17 12:40 | ||||||
| I had a hang up problem at channel at 135 and I was able to disconnect the Coax cable and 3575 finish the scanning.
However, I do get only a few digital channels and that's it. I read all the post in this forum and it seems most people receive digital channels without any issues. Any suggestions. I run connection from cable outlet --> 3575 --> STB --> VCR --> TV. Thanks for help | ||||||
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| has anyone tried to play regular mpegs or avi through the usb on the front panel :?: all i see are jpegs from my flash drive and not the mpeg files. | ||||||
| wabjxo posted 2008 Mar 21 22:03 | ||||||
| Yes, MP3/WMA/JPG are only things that'll play thru the USB. Don't think any North American unit plays anything else. | ||||||
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| dragut posted 2008 Apr 14 14:38 | ||||||
| Hi all
When I watch a movie or program on digital channels, cableco seems to keep switching those channels. Picture goes blue in the middle of the program and I change the channels to find the same program to continue but sometimes I can't. I can't even record them since they keep switching. Any ideas/solutions? thanks | ||||||
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| jwhitlow posted 2008 Apr 21 22:09 | ||||||
I was stongly considering the newer Philips until I read this comment, so I wanted to make sure I understand it correctly. Does the 3576 have this limitation as well? I currently have the older HDRW720. I can chase to live television (well a small fraction of a second, anyway). The fact that many units do not allow you to catch up to live television is one the things that has kept me from buying a replacement for the HDRW720*. If it were not for the random crashes, I would be completely satisfied with the HDRW720. The features are great and the software (in my opinion) is very well designed when compared to other units I have tried. * I have a friend with a Sony unit that does not buffer until you pause and then 1 minute is a close as you can get to live! | ||||||
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| KeepItSimple posted 2008 Apr 21 23:14 | ||||||
| Chasing playback to within 3 seconds of the original is a "limitation"?
I think it's a great electronal marvel to be able to do that at all. What kind of spoiled weenies are we that we "need" to chase up the exact frame of a live show? 3 seconds is fine. On Panasonics it's 5 WHOLE SECONDS, a virtual eternity! :lol: Oh BTW yes I'm a spoiled weenie too. :D | ||||||
| jwhitlow posted 2008 Apr 22 07:38 | ||||||
Exact frame, probably not. However, with the older Philips HDRW720, I can have my television that is connected to it muted and the audio from the television in the living room (no DVR) is in-sync with the video coming out of the HDRW720. It may indeed not be in-sync to the exact frame, but it is very close! | ||||||
| rcrach posted 2008 Apr 22 11:26 | ||||||
If you're in chase play and want to catch up to live video just hit "next" and it takes you to the end of the buffer. | ||||||
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| jjeff posted 2008 Apr 23 10:37 | ||||||
| Gez, you guys are complaining about 3 seconds! I just had to do a test last night with my RAM discs on my Panasonic to see how it compared.
20 seconds!! was as close as I could get, but that's close enough for me, not sure if Panny's w/hdd's let you chase closer. :D BTW on Panny's pushing next chapter also does not get me to the beginning of the buffer. I had to visually search to do that. | ||||||
| rcrach posted 2008 Apr 24 09:53 | ||||||
| "We've been talking about missing (not being able to SEE) the buffered video pic, which hasn't been written to disc yet, when going to the live pic. That is, the buffered 3-sec is neither on the HDD yet, nor it can't be played back in a normal chase play scenario.
EDIT: I just tried the Next button during a chase play and it didn't work (got the "no-go" circle). I tried a few sec from live pic... no-go. Then, I waited till 1st chapter mark was auto-set at 10 min., then tried to go to that mark and still a no-go.[/quote] Sorry, I kind of assumed it worked the same way the Sony DVRs work. The "next" button on those takes you back to live TV. I don't own a Philips but I'm thinking of getting one to replace the Pioneer 520 (or maybe just get the Echostar 40, but that means another remote). decisions, decisions.. | ||||||
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| joecass posted 2008 May 11 16:41 | ||||||
| Anyone had any problems with the Philips Auto-Scan for digital cable channels ? Mine would only scan 3-4 digital channels.... I had to input channel numbers manually to get more of the available channels from my cable line. Does a less-than-stellar cable signal affect the unit's ability
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| joecass posted 2008 May 11 23:13 | ||||||
| I tried using an in-line amplifier (made by the cableco) but it didn't help.
Spoke to Philips Customer Service today, they said the machine should pick up all the channels my HDTV does on Auto Scan mode, but it doesn't. Previous machine I had, Polaroid DRA-01601A auto scanned 55 digital cable channels, but wouldn't hold a picture long enough to watch or record. So I assume the problem is insufficient signal strength on the cable line rather than a faulty Philips tuner. What did help was manually entering channel numbers shown on my HDTV, only then did the Philips add channels that didn't show up in the Auto Scan. There are no 'hidden' channels because none of the first sub-channels in the groups are scrambled. All the cables in my system are of good quality. | ||||||
| burt0010 posted 2008 May 14 23:03 | ||||||
| Can anyone confirm if the DVDR3576H will play avi/xvid movies off of USB?
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| Can anyone inform me how to change from region 1 to region 4, for the Philips 3475/37? | ||||||
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| joecass posted 2008 May 18 07:57 | ||||||
| Seems like I'm the only Philips owner who has this tuning problem. After manually entering channel numbers shown on my TV, the Philips re-assigned those channels to it's own numbering system, and the sequence is completely different than the TV. CBS HD is 105.1 on the TV, on the Philips it's 1.2. The Philips correctly scanned and tuned all the available stations on it's DTV channel one, but when I used a timer program to record CBS HD, the screen was blank for the entire recording. So I set another timer for channel 1.2, and watched the machine boot up.... it tuned in channel 1.4 instead, then the screen went blank from I guess lack of signal. Next step was to turn the machine on prior to the timer event, and manually tune it to 1.2...... that finally worked. As a last resort, I removed all the DTV channel memory completely, and just left channel 1.2 intact. Next night I set a timer program for 1.2, CBS HD, and it finally worked on the timer. I wonder if all these machines work the same way with ATSC tuners, or it's just my particular machine and set up. | ||||||
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| joecass posted 2008 May 18 14:50 | ||||||
| When I manually entered the DTV Channel "1" and sub-channels, for some reason when I used the remote to change channels up and down, "1.4"
would be the first DTV channel in the line up. "1.2" was last in the sequence, so even if you punched in "1.2" on the remote, "1.4" would be the first channel on DTV "1." For whatever reason, on the first timer program, the machine booted up to "1.4", the first channel in the sequence, then the screen went blank, I'm assuming for lack of stable signal. I think the way digital tuners work on some systems is to tune the strongest channel in the line up. Something similar happened a few months ago with my LG HDTV tuner, which is what I normally use to record hi-def programs downconverted to a DVD recorder. The LG was set to channel "103.2", which is Fox HD. Next day after setting a timer, I see the wrong program was recorded, the LG was tuned to "103.4" instead of "103.2". I didn't understand what had happened until I turned on the LG tuner, and watched as the tuning drifted from 103.2 to 103.4. I was getting a weak DTV signal on the cable line, so the tuner was fluctuating to a stronger channel while I was watching in real time. I tried changing and tightening some cabling, eventually it went back to normal. So after all is said and done, I don't think it can be determined if the Philips tuner problem is a defect or the problem lies with the cable feed. Customer Service told me if I returned the machine, and they found nothing wrong with it, they will not exchange it for another 3575, they'll just send me back the same machine with a note that I have an "area problem" with my cable reception. | ||||||
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| joecass posted 2008 May 19 08:53 | ||||||
| Thanks for the link and interesting reading. Don't have Comcast, use Time Warner Cable in NYC. If this were true about cableco's intentionally
placing errors within the PSIP table, then why would both my LG HDTV and LG HDTV tuner work flawlessly ? The channel mapping with these units has been the same for three years now. I haven't tried a timer using 105.1, ever since I deleted all the digital channels on the Philips except for 1.2, I've done several timer programs that worked very well... and CBS HD is mostly what I record, all my favorite shows are on that channel. I think next step is to do a timer that involves an analog cable channel first, followed by the digital 1.2, and maybe even try your suggestion of entering 105.1 in a timer program. Whatever the outcome, it has been a disappointing experience with this otherwise decent recorder. | ||||||
| Cev posted 2008 May 21 16:12 | ||||||
| I'd like to unlock the reions of the Philips DVDR 3475/37? Can anyone informe how to do it?
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| My 3575's clock is going fast about 5-6 minutes after for a while. Do any of you guys have the same/similar issue. Is it something wrong with my setup or DVDR itself.
When rescording starts 5 min. early I miss the end of the show that I plan to record. That can be very disappointing you know. thanks | ||||||
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| DarrellS posted 2008 Jun 11 17:58 | ||||||
That sucks. What are the Firewire and USB ports for? My brother had a Philips HDTV that listed the QAM channels with the regular cable channels and had a different TV guide channel that showed the channels like they were shown (14, 14.1, 14.2, 15 etc...) on the TV. Does the Philips DVDR3575H/37 and 3576 have this same feature or is it like my Hauppauge HVR 1800 which shows the cable channels (1-99), then the OTA digital channels (1051-1152) and then the QAM channels (2015-3036)? | ||||||
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They still serve a purpose. I downloaded a copy of the DVDR3576H/37 manual to study. It says the firewire port is for dubbing from a digital video camera, while the USB port is for playing back MP3/Windows Media™ Audio/JPEG Files from a USB card reader or USB memory, but that is all they can do. | ||||||
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| raccerexx posted 2008 Jun 14 00:45 | ||||||
| i think your're absolutely right W! i got lucky at my local wm and picked up a boxed unit on the clearance shelf that had a sticker price of $298.00 (box date nov07) but rang up at cash register for $100.00.
i haven't seen any more on the shelf but i'll bet other stores may still have such bargains since i have not yet seen the 3576h in the store. | ||||||
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| usually_quiet posted 2008 Jun 14 14:03 | ||||||
| I think both of you are lucky! :) I went to both my local Sam's Club and my Local Wal-Mart in the past two weeks and neither had any DVDR3575H/37's on the shelf, though DVDR3576H/37's were available.
The QAM tuner may soon be a moot point. Comcast has started to reduce the number of analog channels available in my area. 5 are going away in mid-July, including TV-Guide. They are beginning to offer deals on cable boxes to analog customers who convert to a digital package. The handwriting is on the wall wrt analog service and QAM. | ||||||
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| usually_quiet posted 2008 Jun 15 14:43 | ||||||
| Wal-Mart is kind of out of my way, but since I had gone out that direction for something else, I decided to stop in today to see if anything had changed. This time there was one 3575H/37 on the shelf, while all the 3576H/37's were gone, except for the floor model. Unfortunately, when I had it scanned, the price was still $298.00, so I guess the decision to place electronics on clearance is not made on a company-wide basis, but is left up to the store manager or the department manager. Too bad for me.
The clerk who checked the price for me did know what it was, and made a point of telling me "That is a good one." So I guess I found one of the 1% of salespersons who actually know the merchandise in their own department. :lol: | ||||||
| DarrellS posted 2008 Jun 18 16:22 | ||||||
| I went to my local Walmart and they had one 3575H on the clearance table full of open box products. I had the lady scan the 3575 which was underneath a bunch of other products and the price was the same as it would've been if it was in a box with all the accessories. There were some pretty good deals on other items but they wanted full price for the opened box Philips without accessories. $298 plus tax is way too much to pay for a used DVR.
The local store had no 3576's either. That open box Philips 3575 was the only one in the store. | ||||||
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| I also saw the 3505 for around $100 on the clearance table.. | ||||||
| raccerexx posted 2008 Jun 19 18:34 | ||||||
| wow! didn't mean to start an epidemic....but i really did pick up a 3575h. and thanks again W for the antenae hook up advice (reference past question ) for running it thru my 3505(which i already had).
that was the same day that i actually found the 3575h but was unsure of the best reception set-up. i'm really glad that so many folks are out there searching for similar deals because i feel that still in some deep dark corner if not on the clearance shelf, there lies another unit just waiting to be found (though probably not many left, i've been back to wm 3x and no luck in my area since). just looking at past entries i find it really amazing at the discount descrepancies $230,$200,$198? i guess each wm just leaves it up to the mgr.'s descrestion to pick a price huh? i now really realize how lucky i was because on the first visit they had an unboxed 3575h just sitting on top of an rca dvd player. when i came back the next day it was gone but on the bottom shelf was a boxed unit with the yellow sticker price of $298. i was ready to argue with the cashier that earlier they had an unboxed unit w/the $100. sticker on it but by that time she had ran the scanner over the box and $100. rang up on the register! of course i had no fight left in me after that. that being said..good luck with the hunt to all! :) | ||||||
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| lordsmurf posted 2008 Jul 05 14:04 | ||||||
| All those splits and switches really rape your final quality, however. Be it for viewing or for recording. | ||||||
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| edDV posted 2008 Jul 05 15:22 | ||||||
He left off all the S/PDIF's that need to be switched at the audio receiver. The video switcher to the right is often internal to the audio receiver. Sometimes the DVDR inputs can be separately switched in the audio receiver as well. | ||||||
| jjeff posted 2008 Jul 05 15:22 | ||||||
| I just like the nice diagram :wink: Reminds me of my VHS days when I had a (2) 4 way Vidacraft Proc Amp/switchers connected to as many as 6 VCRs and a couple STBs and could record from any one to another and monitor whichever one I wanted. Talk about a maze of wires :lol: | ||||||
| DVWannaB posted 2008 Jul 08 13:59 | ||||||
| This machine sounds very intriguing and all. But it seems when they were planning the schematics of this machine they forgot a key component for inclusion. The FR record mode or time/bitrate optimizer recording function. I just cant see myself buying a DVD recorder that does not have that. I must say, the temptation is great nonetheless. :)
BTW, how does the 1 hour and 2 hour record modes compare to the Panasonic EZ line? Anyone have a good handle on this? | ||||||
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| Thanks wab.
I was just thinking, maybe I could record in XP (1 hour mode) then burn to DVD-RW and re-encode to smaller file on computer. Hmmmmmmmmm...........I will have to think this out some more. Does it burn DVD+R DL discs? | ||||||
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| handyguy posted 2008 Jul 10 11:06 | ||||||
Yep, each time I get a new model I find features that I want, but they take out old features that were useful. | ||||||
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| MJPollard posted 2008 Jul 15 13:53 | ||||||
Ordered one of the refurb 3575s last week. Should get here tomorrow. Looking forward to recording shows without having to scramble for a blank DVD (until I want to transfer one off the HD, of course). :) | ||||||
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| robjv1 posted 2008 Jul 15 23:52 | ||||||
| Picked up one of these tonight at my local Shop-Ko (not sure if they have these everywhere or not). I'd noticed it was on sale last weekend and when I looked the model # up on here and found it had a QAM tuner and would make a good living room recorder I thought I'd try it out! Went to ShopKo tonight and saw it was up to it's regular price (DVDR357SH/37 for $332.00) and thought that was a little steep. I talked to a very nice sales girl though and she said it had just come off sale and would be going back on sale for $268.00 on Saturday. Well she got a manager to override the price and make the sale to me today, which was nice. Not as great of a deal as some of you have got with the $100 specials at Walmart (not in stock at any Walmart within 50 miles here) but a pretty decent price for what seems to be a decent recorder!
I am a little disappointed with the picture quality of the tuner, but this is more then likely because I was short one good cord, so I had to use the crappy push in cord that came with the unit until I can get a better one tomorrow, so hopefully it'll make a jump then. (I'm splitting from the cable out of the wall into my Sony KDXBR970 and then the other side into the Phillips). Here's hoping Comcast doesn't ruin it all in the near future with their "upgrades" but I can at least keep it as a backup recorder for my VHS -> DVD conversions. EDIT: Sneaky salespeople! I looked at the price I wrote down when it was on sale last week and it was actually on sale for $199.99 last week! When it goes on sale this week, I'll have to go in and make sure it's $268.00 and not $199.00, otherwise price adjustment here I come... | ||||||
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| Thanks wabjxo. I will try it that way and see if I like it more.
Yeah, I'm not so concerned about the lost detail because I expected that due it scaling down the resolution. The main thing I noticed was that the picture was just a tad noisy for my tastes as viewable on the tuner, which I don't see with a straight connection to my TV on either the analog/digital/high-defintion channels. Overall thought I'm really pleased with it. There is very little if any quality loss perceivable on an SP dub from what I see on the tuner. The recorder is pretty much WYSIWYG, which I like, I just want to see if I can boost the WYS part up a bit more with some better cabling. | ||||||
| MJPollard posted 2008 Jul 16 10:11 | ||||||
Yeah, but she can't rip the HDD out of the recorder in the family room and stick it into the TV in the kitchen, which is what she does with her soap tapes 99% of the time (she watches the tape while she makes and eats dinner [and usually forces me to watch it, too, unless I want to go hungry]). Find a way to do that, and you'll probably have a sale. :D (And no, she can't set up a HDD recorder in the kitchen. There's barely enough room for the small TV/VCR, which is on a small stand in a small corner of the small kitchen...) | ||||||
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| MJPollard posted 2008 Jul 16 11:42 | ||||||
Dude, I won't even pretend that I can follow all of those plotlines. I simply nod and smile at her enthusiasm, and watch for the hotties in bikinis and skimpy outfits. :lol: | ||||||
| robjv1 posted 2008 Jul 16 11:56 | ||||||
I did take a look at that post and I will study it more later. I'm not planning to do much straight TV watching though the Phillips, but I just want to get the quality of the signal going into the Phillips as high as possible. I have a good quality splitter and don't think that is impacting it much, but the cheapo push in cable that I had to use to go from the splitter to the Phillips is probably a detriment. I will hook it up the other way though and see what I think, running it without the splitter through the Phillips. I am using component cables to run the phillips into my TV for now, I might switch to the HDMI though if I decide I like it enough as a DVD player to use it over my Oppo DVD player which is currently connected on my HDMI. | ||||||
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| Just received my refurbished 3575 last night! Gonna install it tonight and check it out. I'll have initial impressions later. | ||||||
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| davideck posted 2008 Jul 23 14:59 | ||||||
| I've been testing the 3575 lately, and it exhibits excellent TBC performance on external sources. The Horizontal Jitter reduction is comparable to the internal TBCs in the JVC and Panasonic VCRs, easily outperforming other DVD Recorders as well as the Datavideo external TBCs. Very impressive! | ||||||
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| wabjxo - I would prefer to have you link to here.
Could you also please summarize the DTV "channel loss" issue here? Are there really bad units and good units, or is this just strange behavior across all units? Is the 3576 any different? I also notice quite a bit of noise in the analog channels in comparison to other tuners on the same cable, particularly on the lower end (2,3,4,5,6). Since many posts sing the praises of the tuner in general, I am wondering if I do in fact have a marginal unit? | ||||||
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| DVWannaB posted 2008 Jul 24 10:54 | ||||||
| glad I just read you last post wax. I was still considering this unit, but now that I know it cannot tune Dish or DirecTV, that just gives me one more reason not to get it. This is tough because I am trying to find reasons why I should get it :D My hobby in life is collecting DVD Recorders w/HDD :D
JVC DR-MH30 Pioneer DVR-520 Sony RDR-HX715 Toshiba RD-XS52, 54 & 55 Toshiba DR-4 sold on ebay: Toshiba RD-XS32 & DR-5 | ||||||
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| handyguy posted 2008 Jul 27 11:18 | ||||||
| Why buy a recorder from a company that isn't going to make recorders anymore after 2009?
Cheapest I saw it was circuit city, $244 - $40 coupon =$204 new. Coupons can be bought on Ebay or download & print. | ||||||
| TBoneit posted 2008 Jul 27 13:09 | ||||||
| handyguy, why should that make a difference? If it had said that the company was going ten toes up, then that would makes a difference.
Why buy? Because there are very few hard drive equipped recorders for sale here in B&M stores, Narrow the field with ATSC & QAM needed and it becomes the choice. I've recorded a few things off of the QAM locals now and they look better than the analog recordings. Is the interface as polished as a Pioneer 531h which I also have? simple answer is no. The longer answer is maybe, The Philips uses different names for some of the functions which is makeing me read the manual. With the Pioneer when the TVGOS is working setting a timer is easier. Setting a manual timer on the Philips is easier. | ||||||
| DVWannaB posted 2008 Jul 27 16:25 | ||||||
Pretty much because those units were bought for different reasons and for different functionality. Right now I dont see where the Philips gives me an upgrade over what I already have. That plus I have a a few QAM + OTA tuners I picked from ebay over the last couple years that can give me what the Philips would. | ||||||
| samijubal posted 2008 Jul 27 17:18 | ||||||
| There never has and never will be a recorder that will directly receive satellite channels, unless a satellite company decides to build one into their receiver, which is highly unlikely. The satellite receiver is needed to power the LNB and receive/decode the incoming signal. Even if a recorder were capable of receiving the incoming signal, it would have to send power to the LNB. | ||||||
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| Captain Satellite posted 2008 Aug 03 23:20 | ||||||
| wabjxo, What's the difference between the 3575 & 3576? Best place to buy?
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wabjxo - are you aware of any known issues (other than the 3575's flaky tuner) with the 3575/3576 that people have experienced? I'm still undecided of whether to go for the extended 4-year warranty, or just rely on the extra 1-year warranty provided through VISA. That extra year VISA warranty is paying for my Pio 640 right now which in the shop for repair, so it came really handy. | ||||||
| handyguy posted 2008 Aug 04 11:25 | ||||||
I noticed their outlet store has a 3575 for $199, free shipping, refurb. | ||||||
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Thanks for the link, wabjxo. Do you suspect that the the 3576 has the same tuner issue as the 3575?
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| Captain Satellite posted 2008 Aug 04 19:24 | ||||||
Thanks, buddy, I already ordered a new one this morning! :) Thanks for all of your time and effort on this machine, wabjxo. I archive Television Musical Peformances (Late Night) and concerts such as Austin City Limits, Soundstage, etc. from TV. Is the time of an HDD recorder really coming to an end? :( | ||||||
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| Captain Satellite posted 2008 Aug 04 19:45 | ||||||
| To be honest, I'm thinking about ordering another. What do those tea leaves tell you about the future of DVD recorders WITHOUT a hard drive? :cry: | ||||||
| orsetto posted 2008 Aug 04 19:56 | ||||||
| According to recent industry trade rags and reports, yes, DVD/HDD recorders are lurching toward their final exit and non-HDD DVD recorders may be headed out the door right behind them. For a number of inter-related market and economy reasons, mfrs cannot support products that don't sell in large numbers anymore, they lose too much $ just by shipping them to USA or Canada where they sit in stores and rot waiting in vain for interested buyers. Because of the dollar/euro drama, and Europeans overall willingness to pay higher prices, the machines will remain available in Europe and of course Asia, but the clock is definitely ticking in North America. Before long DVD recording will be strictly a PC-based activity: standalone recorders are going bye-bye, folks, so if you want one, don't wait.
The DVD recorder has been one of the most spectacular consumer product failures ever marketed in North America, "the island of misfit toys" is overloaded with the returns. Apparently a dvd recorder is about as welcome in the American home as a Hummer at a Prius Owners Rally. Much as I hate to admit it, recording and collecting hard copies of TV broadcasts is now a totally passe hobby. We who post here are a dying breed :( . | ||||||
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| Captain Satellite posted 2008 Aug 04 20:46 | ||||||
| I still have VHS tapes I recorded since 1979! No more recording? Remember how cool everybody thought it was that you could actually archive your favorite programming?
We ARE truly a dying breed! :( | ||||||
| DVWannaB posted 2008 Aug 04 21:06 | ||||||
| wab,
Has there been any verification of whether or not the 3576 can connect to Dish Network HD receiver via RG6 coax and not have black borders on top and bottom? I know this is not a problem with DirecTV HR20 HD receiver, as it sends true widescreen via s-video. But Dish sends black borders via s-video. If it does, I think I will get one to replace by Sony which cannot connect to Dish via coax RG6. Thanks. | ||||||
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| Should I purchase - or + RW media and which manufacturer do you recommend? | ||||||
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| Captain Satellite posted 2008 Aug 05 10:01 | ||||||
| Thanks for the reply, wabjxo. I usually purchase TY media, but could only find Verbatim RWs. Does any other merchant carry TY RWs? | ||||||
| TBoneit posted 2008 Aug 05 10:17 | ||||||
On the VIP series of DVR. VIP622, VIP722, VIP612, I connect my VIP622 to a Pioneer DVD recorder via S-Video. I can record WS HDTV as normal which makes everybody look tall and skinny through the DVD recorder however Normal via HDMI or Component unless I hit Zoom on the TV. Or I can hit zoom on the DVR's remote and have it record properly. Option 1 when played on a Philips 5990 upscaled looks good and on a 4:3 SDTV it plays as a 1:1 image. I haven't tried it with the 3576 yet although I do have one as I bought it to record off of basic cable locals HD channels via the QAM tuner. | ||||||
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| Captain Satellite posted 2008 Aug 05 11:13 | ||||||
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| DVWannaB posted 2008 Aug 05 14:37 | ||||||
Interesting, because I have a non-DVR model ViP 211 and if I use the zoom/ partial zoom it zooms everything, thereby cutting off left & right sides, but correcting the black on top & bottom. So that is a win-loss situation. You fix one thing only to break another. :? My only work around this issue is to record WS program thru s-video on Sony. Burn to DVD-RW and edit on computer by cutting off black. Enocde and Re-author. I would like a short-cut to this method. Maybe I should just switch to D* and call it a day :x | ||||||
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| DVWannaB posted 2008 Aug 05 19:20 | ||||||
| Oh no doubt. I already have my CM4228 antenna already up and running for about 2 1/2 years now. I have the signal split to a Panasonic EZ37 DVD recorder (ATSC tuner capable), a HDTV card MyHD MDP-130 (computer) and a Hisense ATSC receiver (forgot model #) which is connected to a Pioneer DVR-520 recorder. I dont seem to get a lot of local digital channels tho'. NBC, FOX, ABC, CBS, My20, 2 PBS (in DC area). I am real close to the broadcast towers. Like within 15 miles. Cant wait for Univision to switch on digital so I can foam at the mouth at the hot latinas :D
Just now trying to tackle this DN issue, which I record ESPN and other HD events. Might just be stuck with the current situation with DN, until they release a receiver that outputs all the channels as they are broadcasted (similar to D*). | ||||||
| TBoneit posted 2008 Aug 06 14:28 | ||||||
| What's happening is that the S-Video out is sending the WS as 4:3 Ar. I haven't checked into it in depth, however I believe that reflagging it as 16:9 and then authoring it will do the trick. On my VIP622 the first zoom does as you say zoom everything sent to the HDTV. However on the DVD recorder it just seems to zoom it properly. Note that I have a suspicion it is trimming the sides even when not zoomed. For me it isn't a issue as playing the DVDs in a Philips 5990 they are upscaled and look OK and in a non upscaling player hitting fill on the TV remote brings them to looking OK on the TV. On mine the S-Video non zoomed makes the people look tall and skinny so that reflagging to 16:9 should do the trick too. That would also make them play right on a HDTV and a SDTV.
D* has it's own problems amongst which is that they use a satellite band that is more prone to rain fade for their HD, Caveat... That is the way I understand it since they don't use DBS satellites for their HD like Dishnetwork does. Next thing is that at this time they don't have a many HBO HD feeds as Echostar does. I may be recalling the wrong model number but I believe your 211 is going to get a update so that you can add a USB drive and have a DVR at some point. | ||||||
| TBoneit posted 2008 Aug 07 21:15 | ||||||
OK I did a quick change of the S-Video & Audio to the Philips with the Philips set to 16:9 and the VIP622 set to 16:9 TV set. The 622 output a 4:3 with the 16:9 inside of it and the Philips recorded it as 4:3. I took the DVD to the computer. Next step I used Vob2MPG to create a MPG file from the DVD. Next I used DVDPatcher to patch the mpg file to 16:9. As a test the mpg plays back as a 16:9 in VLC with no black bars as I expected. Next step I authored the DVD using TMPGEnc DVD author 3 as a 16:9 with no menu. The Authored DVD is approx 3.8 Gb after editing. It plays as a 16:9 Aspect Ratio in PowerDVD 5. I have taken the Reauthored DVD to a older Sony Changer non upscaling DVD player and it plays as letterboxed. In the Philips 5990 it upscales to 16:9 filling the screen. I probably spent an additional 35 to 40 minutes on the above steps to end up with a DVD that will play properly on legacy players and upscaling players. It is true I wasted a 22cent blank. In the future I'll most likely dig out those old DVD RWs i have collecting dust. of those extra minutes most them were me doing something else while the computer did the work. Side note the Philips doesn't really like a Verbatim -R 1x - 16x disc as it takes forever to burn and finalize. The Verbatim +R 1x - 16x burn much faster. The Complete opposite of my Pioneer 531h which only burns -R and loves the Verbatims Any other questions I can answer for you? :) Heres a Capture from the start of the movie. It looks decent to me.  | ||||||
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| TBoneit posted 2008 Aug 08 10:49 | ||||||
| Well I haven't timed it but for sure the Verbatim 16X Made in Taiwan was much faster than the Verbatim -R MIT 16X. When I have some time I'll try and run some timing tests. The problem is catching the burn when it finishes as I use the same display TV and Computer (32" HDTV) so it isn't free when I'm burning. I always start a burn and go do something else.
The other thing I've noticed is that the HD ---> S-Video isn't as good a picture as the QAM tuner for video captures. BTW since the VIP622 sends out the video in a 4:3 format I can use the same methodology to create a 16:9 WS for the Pioneer or the Philips. The benefit is once it is captured as a 4:3 and reflagged a 16:9 no Black bars to trim and no re-encoding. DVWannaB, Are you sure your 211 is putting out black bars? Is it set to a 16:9 TV set? Maybe a switch to a VIP622 or a VIP722 where it doesn't put out black bars but rather fills the 4:3 top to bottom and compresses side to side so that a simple reflag to 16:9 will work? Note that what I'm getting out of my 622 is AFAIK what a WS DVD does to it's video too. If you look at the screen capture I put in above I did no trimming, What you see was captured from Power DVD playing the finished product that had no trimming of black bars or re-encoding after it was capturd by the Philips. It plays full screen in the Philips 5990 via HDMI and Letterboxed on a older Sony changer. I didn't use Zoom the 622 was set to normal and I captured off of MGM HD. Why I chose to use Leo for the capture. | ||||||
| PhoneMatt posted 2008 Aug 08 13:20 | ||||||
| That's odd. I've only used Verbatim -R's (MIT) 1-16x on my Philips and have never noticed any speed problem. I can do a high speed dub in about 10-15 minutes and finalizing only takes a few minutes. (The time seems comparable to my Panny.)
OK, I actually timed a dub this morning. (The Olympic Opening Ceremony, minus the commercials. Yeah. lots of edits.) It took about 23 minutes to dub and less than 3 minutes to finalize. After I posted, I realized that, most of my dubbing is not to a full disk. (I still can't get my head around the fact that I can dub 3 one hour shows, without commercials, on one disk in 2 hour mode. OK. I'm old fashioned, I still only do 2 per disk.) A 2 show dub takes about 18 minutes, but finalizes in 4 minutes. For me, this is a decent time. (Enough time to load the washer and dryer and fold the tee shirts.) I wouldn't consider this a problem. Question, though, does the finalizing of the partial disk take longer? Is it because the machine is writing zeros (blank data) to the disk, or is there another reason? Just curious. Matt | ||||||
| DVWannaB posted 2008 Aug 11 15:52 | ||||||
| TB,
I noticed in your screen cap that you have have left and right sections cut off. So apparently by configuring in 4:3 you are going to have to sacrifice some parts of the viewable area. I have my 211 to output 16:9 1080i. I have the recorder set at 16:9 TV and to display 4:3 as full screen. If I switch the 4:3 output to normal it outputs WS with black borders on all sides. So then if I zoom the 211 it fills up the entire screen (bo black), but also with some loss of viewable info. It looks that is what is happening to your screen cap also. I say that because the MGM lion has more black to his left and right, but is missing in your cap. I could be wrong, but feel pretty certain. Only way to verify is do a screen cap of a MGM movie you have from the store and compare. | ||||||
| TBoneit posted 2008 Aug 12 10:03 | ||||||
| You could be right I've sort of wondered about that but it isn't enough to bother me. I suspect that the TV1 S-Video when TV1 is set to 16:9 is squashing it that way on purpose. I'll have to go back to the DVR and do a A to B comparison as soon as I remember where I put the DVD.
The way that DVD was authored it looks OK on a SD 4:3 and the 16:9 HDTV, since I have that mix in the house I'm ok with it. Since my main purpose in this recorder is for Capturing QAM from basic cable and it does a good job of that and has a better quality of video via the tuner than from the S-Video | ||||||
| RabidDog posted 2008 Aug 14 10:45 | ||||||
| Slightly off topic: Its a large thread...
I have just bought the Uk 5520 and wonder how this compares to the 3575?? they sound comparable.. I am wondering specifically if your machine does 5.1 sound recording, how easy it is to replace the hard disk (mine is already filling up).. the exact def of all the recording modes xp sp spp+. basic specs of the machine are 160gb / OTA digital + analog tuner /ext record / dvd burner / divx ultra / xfr from hdd/usb/dvd / Guideplus /pause live Tv / proper Usb2.0 port. Have to admit its taken two weeks of intensive use to get to know all the features.. | ||||||
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| TBoneit posted 2008 Aug 14 13:08 | ||||||
| I stand corrected. I did a test last night of -R & +R and they both burned with the same amount of time. I'm not sure why I was thinking -R was slower. My Appologies.
DVWannaB, I'm going to do a test that occurred to me last night as I was falling asleep. A simple test that requires me to dig out a rewritable disk to prevent wasting a one time disc. I'll record the HD Net test pattern and that should definitively show what if any is being chopped off. I have it recorded in the DVR so I can do it easily. For anybody else interested here is the schedule. Sat, Aug 23 - 10:00 AM ET 7:00 AM PT HDNet Test Patterns Wonder how your home theatre is doing? Wish you had test patterns to help set it up? Well, HDNet is here to help. This short program will help you get the most out of your home theatre setup by providing you with the same professional test patterns HDNet uses to set their gear. | ||||||
| jagabo posted 2008 Aug 14 16:14 | ||||||
That's good to know. Unfortunately, we don't get HDNet. I always thought the cable company should provide that. They could slowly cycle through several test patterns. Audio too. | ||||||
| tac7 posted 2008 Aug 14 18:33 | ||||||
Yes - sorry if that has been covered already - but does the 3575/76 require any special disks or remotes (like the Pioneer DVD recorders) to initialize a new HDD? or is it just a matter of replacing the HDD, and then the machine takes over and formats it automatically? Thanks... | ||||||
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| TBoneit posted 2008 Aug 15 12:40 | ||||||
| DVWannaB, Well according to the HD Net test patterns evidently the VIP622 is trimming the video approx equally on all sides before it is sent out the S-Video port. As a test when I have time I'm going to try the RF out fro TV2 which is a SD only output (Stereo) just to see what is being sent out that way. At this time I don't have time to go disconnecting and reconnecting.
The Video as is looks OK to me. IF I burn to a RW disc I can re-use the disc. The test is just for others knowledge. | ||||||
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| TBoneit posted 2008 Aug 16 09:32 | ||||||
My understanding is that they are pretty much the same except for the bigger drive in the 722. The 612 is a different animal. Differences: Dual tuner one TV difference in the way the menus for setting things up are and some functions different. Only one remote since there is no need for a uhf remote for tv2 as there is no tv2 out. I still haven't found a way to disable HD mapdown. Nice and responsive to the remote and it made a easy transition for someone used to the 721 dual tuner one tv SD DVR it replaced. My cable company has two channels marked for different cable systems areas that show an oscilloscope trace too. My cable company has different lineups for different areas and that is how the two channels are marked. However my 3576 scanned all the way. maybe the 3576 handles it better or maybe your channel is done differently? I do not see how a analog channel that displays correctly should cause that problem. I think they are measuring some sort of signal levels or usage levels for remote monitoring with those channels on my system. BTW they also show up in a scan with the Pioneer 531h and my HDTV. | ||||||
| TBoneit posted 2008 Aug 16 09:42 | ||||||
I just realized I can do that test easy enough. There TV2 composite outputs on the 622 DVR so I can feed them into another line input on the 3576 and do a easy comparison to the TV1 S-Video output. The quality will be worse of course but as a test it doesn't matter. TV1 & TV2 are available on different UHF channels and are supposed to have stereo sound on the RF. | ||||||
| TBoneit posted 2008 Aug 16 12:59 | ||||||
| there is a post on another forum where the OP posts about his VIP622.
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| Captain Satellite posted 2008 Aug 18 23:39 | ||||||
| wabjxo, Did you test your 3576 stash? I bought two but repaired my E80H. I haven't unboxed them yet. What did you do? I guess I should at least test them. | ||||||
| DVWannaB posted 2008 Aug 19 00:17 | ||||||
Its clear to see that it is a DN thing with all their receivers. There is no getting around it to get straight WS through analog (S-video or RCA). You just have to zoom and cut off left & right or just record with black borders on top & bottom and edit on computer. Its long and time consuming the second way, but at least you get the full picture. Quick story, my neighbor 2 doors down got the 3576 after I told him to visit this thread. I helped him hook up to D* and I absolutely want to kick his butt. His receiver is outputting WS through s-video and recorded an Olympic segment. The 3576 records a wicked picture. He recorded an HD signal off OTA antenna. He has OTA for local HD and D* providing their HD line-up. Is it time to switch from DN to D*? :cry: | ||||||
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| TBoneit posted 2008 Aug 19 09:45 | ||||||
I suspect they do it to keep people from complaining about black bars on their SD TV Sets. In fact I suspect it is no worse than many channels that seem to take a 2:35 AR movie and make it fill a 16:9 screen. Might be the same reasoning behind it too. As for your neighbor why go through the DirecTV box for OTA? Go straight into the 3576 to be sure there is no processing. I bought mine mainly for Locals. For SD channels I just use a different method that yields the same quality as broadcast. Several Yahoo groups dealing with that depending on the receiver. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/DishPlayer_Explorer/ http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/dishrip/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PVRExplorer/ Depends on the receiver. | ||||||
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| Captain Satellite posted 2008 Aug 19 13:37 | ||||||
Thanks. Bells and whistles I don't need. :) I have a UTV DVR and transfer content to my E80H for archiving, been doing that for six years now. Thanks for the reply. | ||||||
| DVWannaB posted 2008 Aug 19 13:54 | ||||||
Yeah he has two inputs into the 3576. S-video to D* and direct coaxial connection to OTA antenna. | ||||||
| TBoneit posted 2008 Aug 19 14:50 | ||||||
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Well I haven't had time to try out the TV2 RF or Composite output to see what is there. I've been busy watching the Olympics. I did a test using the HD Net test pattern and 622 set to 16:9 for TV1 the S-Video was chopping all four sides somewhat. If you have the HD Net test pattern for reference I can do a screen cap that you can compare. I Also need to do more testing by setting TV1 to 4:3 just to see what it outputs that way. As well as trying TV2. | ||||||
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| davideck posted 2008 Aug 21 17:17 | ||||||
| I have noticed that my 3575 spins up the HDD for about one minute at midnight. Is there a reason for this, and is there a way to disable it? | ||||||
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| SLINKY posted 2008 Aug 23 12:51 | ||||||
| I'm wondering whether it's worth replacing my Toshiba XS 32 and giving it to my folks and getting the Philips DVDR3576H/37 or maybe just buying one if the price is low enough. It seems OK but I'm hearing that manufacture is cheap and the options for recording are putrid. It seems that there won't be any more HDD video recorders soon but the option is just using your PC to do the same thing, which seems easy enough. | ||||||
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| SLINKY posted 2008 Aug 24 10:39 | ||||||
Thanks for the advice. You are probably right from what I hear. While I'd love the HDD the experience is allegedly hell after owning any decent DVR made by Pioneer, Toshiba or Panasonic. | ||||||
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| TBoneit posted 2008 Aug 25 11:53 | ||||||
I wouldn't say hell........ I Own the 3576 and a Pioneer 531h. The problem was getting used to the differences in phrasing and the way things operate. Granted the 531h is a better machine in some ways. I can't get New factory warranted Pioneer hdd DVD recorders in the USA from a store. The other difference is the Philips hooks up to my basic cable and tunes in the HD locals. Last night I recorded the Olympic closing ceremony from the NBC HD feed. I edited it, Burned & finalized the disc and ended up with a WS version of the closing. If I do that with the Pioneer I end up with a SD channel 4:3 recording with lower quality as well as 4:3 instead of a sharper higher quality 16:9 DVD. Bottom line I'll be using the Pioneer for recording off of the DVR and the Philips for local channels. I ran Windows XP MCE for a while and it was OK. I had to remember to keep plenty of disc space and avoid heavy disk intensive operations while recording that could cause a problem with the MCE recording process. After the recording was done I had to edit out commercials or start and end of movies, Author and burn. I have since gone back to using DVD recorders with a hard drive instead. | ||||||
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| orsetto posted 2008 Aug 25 12:35 | ||||||
| Phillips is still evolving, and possibly improving, the 3576 recorder concept even though it remains on course to be discontinued next year. A new Magnavox model H2160MW9 has recently appeared at Wal*Mart for $237: an apparent clone of the 3576 but some reports indicate improved firmware, better tuner and corrections to some minor complaints that put people off the 3575/3576. The reports are still too few in number to be considered reliable, but I'm hoping as more people pick up this unit and express their opinion it will prove to indeed be an improved 3576 variant. If so, I want one: though I prefer Pioneers for a lot of reasons, the integrated ATSC tuner and timer of these Phillips units will become ever more valuable as we approach the analog TV cutoff in the US next year. So far I am underwhelmed by the outboard ATSC converter boxes I've tried with my Pioneers, which is making ownership of a Phillips or Maganvox a more attractive proposition than it was the last time I had one. | ||||||
| TBoneit posted 2008 Aug 26 09:32 | ||||||
| I guess the Magnavox would be interesting to me as a backup recorder if it has QAM capability for the tuner. If it wasn't for wabjxo's great posts revealing that the 3576 has QAM I'd have never of know from the box it comes in or from the Philips website.
It or the Philips as a spare interest me. If they have the same features and the maganavox is cheaper then price rules. | ||||||
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| TBoneit posted 2008 Aug 26 13:11 | ||||||
| Except I'm a Costco member so the Sam's club price is useless to me.
Thanks for the info. As something to buy and run for a couple of weeks to be sure it is OK and then store away as a spare price does matter. | ||||||
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| orsetto posted 2008 Sep 04 18:36 | ||||||
Is it any wonder DVD recorders don't sell in great numbers? I'm beginning to question whether this is really due to them being "too complicated", or because the average consumer in North America has long term microwave brain damage from their constant tedious cell phone usage. Jeez-us! :( | ||||||
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| joecass posted 2008 Sep 20 09:09 | ||||||
| I never quite understood these different connotations about recording modes, you're saying the Philips records in
plus R VR mode and the Pioneer records in minus R VR mode ? I understand that these machines also record in "Video" mode, but what's the difference between the plus and minus VR modes besides incompatibility ? My LG 897T records VR with either plus or minus discs, but will only record copy-protected programs with minus -R VR discs, which the Philips will not read or play. On top of that, I've noticed that my hard drive machines are more 'tolerant' of recording copy-protected programs than the LG 897T standalone DVD/VHS unit. | ||||||
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| joecass posted 2008 Sep 21 07:50 | ||||||
| Thanks for the clarification. I never really used -VR or +VR modes much, most of the editing I've done was on
my machines with hard drives, then just burn the edited video to disc. The Philips 3575 is pretty easy for editing and transferring video from the hard drive to disc, and vice versa. The LG 897T is also fairly easy to edit DVD-RW VR discs, something I've never tried until I got this machine. | ||||||
| knfa posted 2008 Sep 23 06:20 | ||||||
| So I recorded last nights MNF game, and I'm watching it this morning and everything's fine. Then all of a sudden I was FF'ing through an ad break and tried to press play to resume at normal speed but it wouldn't stop the FF. So I started hitting the rewind, skip ahead and skip back buttons and eventually the FF stopped. I thought that was kinda weird, so I tried FF'ing again to see if it happened again and it did. So I said maybe I should press stop and re-load up the title. So I go into my HDD List and that title is there, but the other 5 things I had saved were all gone!!!
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| knfa posted 2008 Sep 23 08:59 | ||||||
| Yeah mine's just called DVDR3575H.
My list only has the one page so that wouldn't be it. Thanks man. | ||||||
| joecass posted 2008 Sep 23 20:34 | ||||||
| Not being any type of expert on these machines at all, I'd be thinking this is a hard
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| That could well be it. I have 5 or 6 different machines all a little cramped together in one unit. | ||||||
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| Do any of you guys have any idea how I would go about formatting the HD? | ||||||
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| A cure for depression in these trying times... added a 10th item to "Notes on Erroneous and Misleading National Reviews":
10. Copying is very slow, even at realtime. Need to think about this one for awhile... more than a millisecond? :D :D :D | ||||||
| sonicmoj posted 2008 Nov 03 23:32 | ||||||
| 3576 Phillips. So I just purchased this unit and I like it so far. I have DirecTV and I'm using AV cables from direcTV to the input of the 3576. It seems that I can't use the channel prescan feature since it is only good for cable not satellite? Is this correct? I have the RF out from my satellite box to the Antenna IN of the 3576 but it doesn't pick up the channels. I resorted to just leaving the channel on my direcTV that I want recorded and use the timer recording feature to start/end recording on the channel directv is currently on. Basically, it seems that it cannot tune to directv channels. You have to manually leave the channel on directv that you would like recorded before you leave the house. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm still new to this.
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| PhoneMatt posted 2008 Nov 04 08:24 | ||||||
| I have my Direct inputs going into Input 1- the rear input of the 3576. I just set the timer on the 3576 and use the Direct box to autotune the programs that I want. My 3576 is usually set to E1. However, I do have a set of rabbit ears attached to the RF input. This works great for OTA channels, both for viewing and for recording. I don't think that you can scan the Direct channels by using the RF input. (I never had any luck doing it, when I tried.)
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| sonicmoj posted 2008 Nov 04 08:44 | ||||||
| PhoneMatt,
Thanks for clarifying the issue. I came to that conclusion that I will have to use the DirecTV box to set the channel that I want recorded then swtich over to the Phillips to setup the timer recording. It's a manual operation still works just fine so I'm okay with it. I will switch over to the S-video cable instead of the RCAs that I am currently using. I set my inputs to the rear (E1) and it picks up my direcTV fine just can't scan the direcTV channels via the RF input or RCA/Svideo input. | ||||||
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| robjv1 posted 2008 Nov 17 12:30 | ||||||
| I can't think of any way around this, although I may be missing something obvious.
I recently upgraded my cable package (which necessitated a cable box) and I am having an issues with my DVD recorder and tuning in certain channels. Basically while my cable box can get the HD feeds of ESPN, TNT, etc -- the DVD recorder can only see the analog feeds. I did a channel scan on the recorder and couldn't locate those channels, though it does pick up all the OTA HD channels and a few new ones it didn't used to before I upgraded. I'm guessing this is some sort of encryption. Anyways -- is there any way I can tune those channels on the recorder, or a way I could hook the recorder up to the cable box, so that I could at least record these channels in 16:9? I am guessing not, but I thought I would ask in case I'm missing something... | ||||||
| jagabo posted 2008 Nov 17 12:46 | ||||||
Yes.
No.
If your cable box will put out an anamorphic composite or s-video signal you can use those inputs. Some cable boxes will do this, others will letterbox in a 4:3 frame. | ||||||
| robjv1 posted 2008 Nov 17 13:09 | ||||||
| Good call jagabo. I'll give that a shot.
You know, it really stinks that cable companies do this. I guess I wouldn't be any better off if I had a satellite. | ||||||
| wabjxo posted 2008 Nov 17 13:19 | ||||||
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| robjv1 posted 2008 Nov 17 13:28 | ||||||
| Duh! You know what I believe the only way I tried it was to run the cable from the wall, to the cable box, and back to the Philips. I always forget that you can do that with this recorder. I will try it from the Philips to the cable box tonight. | ||||||
| wabjxo posted 2008 Nov 17 21:14 | ||||||
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| robjv1 posted 2008 Nov 18 11:22 | ||||||
| Well I had no luck. The channels do appear to be encrypted, but I was able to pick up a few more digital channels then before. I will see if I can find the channels manually perhaps. | ||||||
| wabjxo posted 2008 Nov 18 11:39 | ||||||
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| wabjxo posted 2008 Nov 20 09:30 | ||||||
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| Fritzix posted 2008 Dec 09 18:02 | ||||||
| I am considering buying a Philips 3575. What would be the drawback be, if any, from buying a '3576'. Someone wrote, in this forun, that the only difference was:
"The only known change in the 3576, released in April 2008, is a black case and new Front-End (FE) Firmware". What would Front-End Firmware be? Please advise soon as sources of this unit at a price dry up quickly. Fritzix[/b] | ||||||
| wabjxo posted 2008 Dec 09 18:07 | ||||||
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| DarrellS posted 2008 Dec 31 17:45 | ||||||
| Did they take these units off the market. Walmart isn't listing the 3575/3576 or the Magnavox H2160 anymore. My friend is interested in buying one. | ||||||
| jagabo posted 2008 Dec 31 18:08 | ||||||
| Why is wabjxo deleting all his posts? | ||||||
| psymaster posted 2008 Dec 31 22:16 | ||||||
I was going to ask the same question. | ||||||
| SmokieStover posted 2009 Jan 01 01:24 | ||||||
wabjxo sold all the online stock and almost all of the in-store stock. Probably some remaining in-store stock.....your friend will have to search for one. | ||||||
| DarrellS posted 2009 Jan 26 19:28 | ||||||
| What discs are you guys using? My friend bought some Memorex 8X DVD+RW's and the 3576 gave a recording error, cannot record on this disc. | ||||||
| orsetto posted 2009 Jan 26 20:16 | ||||||
| The "improved front end firmware" of the Phillips 3576 refers to its tuner circuit, which is slightly improved over the 3575. I forget the exact details, but I think this is more of an issue for people trying to pull "boxless" cable using QAM: the 3576 is a little better if you have cable without a decoder box. Its a little better with over-the-air as well, but only for the next couple weeks while we still have both analog and DTV signals cluttering the airwaves. Once broadcasters go completely ATSC next month, the performance difference between the 3575 and 3576 will narrow considerably. If you can get a 3575 at a very steep discount, it is likely a good deal.
Memorex is nicknamed "MemoWRECKS" in two dozen languages worldwide for good reason: its junk media that fails in DVD recorders. Nine out of ten media brands sold in stores now fail in recorders pretty frequently: the discs are really optimized for PC burners instead of the slower, more fragile standalone recorder burners. The only surefire media is 8x which now has to be ordered online: try Taiyo Yuden Premium 8x DVD-R or Verbatim DataLife 8x DVD-R. For R/W, also go with Verbatim whenever possible (Verbatim R/W in stores is OK, but the 16x DVD-R is not as good). | ||||||
| SmokieStover posted 2009 Jan 27 00:45 | ||||||
| Verbatim 16X +R made in Taiwan works just fine in the 3576H when doing high speed dubbing. It's the only DVD media sold at retail that I can recommend. It records to -R media in -VR mode (per the manual); not sure about high speed dubbing with -R. High Speed is a relative term......nothing like 12X on a PC.....think about 30 minutes for a full disk which is about 2 hours 10 minutes at SP.
I have dubbed 4 old Imation 4X +RWs with no problems ripping to PC for editing. The QAM tuner is a real plus for recording on our cable system, as all the analog extended basic channels are available in unencrypted QAM and, with a few exceptions, they are noticably better than their analog twins....even a bit better than analog at it's peak in the late 90's. | ||||||
| DarrellS posted 2009 Jan 27 00:54 | ||||||
| Thanks for the reply. My friend called me earlier and said he bought more Memorex at Bestbuy but they were 4X discs and said they worked. The 4X TDKs he tried earlier worked also. The manual doesn't list RW higher than 4X and only listed Verbatim and I believe Sony. Was curious to see what other brands of RWs others were using and what speeds.
We were hoping to go the fastest route as possible since he's recording from the HDD on his cable box to RWs and transfering to his PC. I was leery of Memorex also but since he's not backing up whole DVDs to disc and just moving a few clips at a time they shouldn't be a problem. | ||||||
| orsetto posted 2009 Jan 27 15:14 | ||||||
| One of the minor areas where Phillips cut corners is in burning speed from the hard drive, which runs at roughly 4x realtime regardless of media type. Older Pioneers and Panasonics do these "high speed" burns at closer to 8-9x using write-once media, but all recorders slow down with R/W: none of them are speed demons using rewritables. If your friend is trying to do a huge project ASAP, there's a limit to how quickly he can go. :)
To a certain degree, Phillips/Magnavox recorders prefer + media over - media, so if you don't specifically need the slight compatibility edge of -R on older players you might find more brands of + media will burn well on Phillips/Magnavox machines than -. | ||||||
| DarrellS posted 2009 Feb 01 03:55 | ||||||
| He's getting everything he has recorded off two COX DVRs and putting it in his computer. I've been editing and converting everything to DivX and it's been a sync nightmare . The seperate VOBs are in sync but no matter how I join them, whether by using DVD Decrypter and saving one VOB or joining with VOB2MPG, they get progressively out of sync. Being a Philips, I would've thought you could capture to DivX on data discs but that would've been to easy.
It would've been alot easier to run a long patch cord from the COX box in his living room to the computer room where he has an AIW capture card and captured straight to DivX but he didn't want to go that rout. It would've been even better if COX used a box with firewire. | ||||||
| vatkat234 posted 2009 Feb 18 15:14 | ||||||
| I'm a little list on this DVD roecorder. When recording does it record a 16*9 show in a 4*3 image? Then when you play it back you have to zoom the 4*3 just to see the 16*9? | ||||||
| vatkat234 posted 2009 Feb 18 15:17 | ||||||
| Does this DVD recorder record Closed Caption CC? | ||||||
| SmokieStover posted 2009 Feb 21 20:22 | ||||||
Yes, it does record analog closed captions if present. It will play digital closed captions if present in the program, provided you turn them on in the recorder's menu. I have never tried recording them and have never stumbled upon a program which has digital closed captions and no analog closed captions. | ||||||
| orsetto posted 2009 Mar 10 11:25 | ||||||
It depends whether you are recording from its line inputs or its ATSC tuner. From the line inputs, it does the usual letterboxing of 16:9 material into a 4:3 frame, and then you do need to zoom in with your TV which results in an obvious loss of detail. If you are recording an ATSC broadcast from the tuner, depending on the station the recorder will encode the full 16:9 resolution by horizontally squeezing it into the full 4:3 frame of a DVD (just like DVDs made by the Hollywood studios work). If you have the recorder set to display on a 16:9 TV, this operates seamlessly, but any DVDs you make will appear distorted (squeezed horizontally) on older 4:3 CRT televisions. You can fix this by copying the DVD to a PC and using software to add an automated 4:3 "flag", this instructs any player attached to a 4:3 display to letterbox the playback (again, similar to how Hollywood DVDs work). | ||||||
| orsetto posted 2009 Mar 10 11:37 | ||||||
It is unfortunately true that Funai-based machines like the Phillips and Magnavox are not the best choice if you plan to do elaborate re-authoring or re-encoding of your DVD-Rs. As you've noted, they use the newer "packet VOB" VR system of recording: when finalized, normal playback hardware does not see anything odd in these VR discs but a lot of computer software still can't make heads or tails of it when stripping it for re-purposing. Wabjxo used to have answers stored here on VH for these technical hurdles, but he has "left the building" for reasons known only to him. Anyone here who is having technical issues or has obscure questions about the Phillips 3576 or Magnavox H2160 should look up his sticky thread (under the member name "wajo") at the top of the DVD Recorder forum at AVS, there is no better source of concentrated info on these machines. I believe he includes tips on how to deal with their peculiar VOB structure as one of his topics, so I'd recommend DarrellS take a look and see if there might be a more efficient way to process his Phillips DVDs into DiVX files. | ||||||
| robjv1 posted 2009 Mar 10 11:48 | ||||||
| I'm not sure if this addresses the same problem -- but I once had some discs made on a Sony recorder that had synch problems when I imported the VOBs into MPEG Video Wizard. My workaround for this was to use DVD Decrypter and put it in IFO mode and rip maybe 10 - 15 cells at a time from each chapter by putting them into individual folders, overlapping by one or two cells between each folder. I remember playing around with it and thinking that there seemed to be problems once I went over about a gig of video, but as long as I kept it under that for each folder, there were no synch problems and I could join the files in MPEG Video Wizard. It can be time consuming, but it got the job done. | ||||||
| DarrellS posted 2009 Mar 10 13:22 | ||||||
| I've checked the AVS forum and can't figure anything out from there.
I believe that editing the files on the HDD before dubbing is causing a lot of the problem. I also thought that maybe if he recorded straight to DVD-RW from the Cox box without editing it might help. It would cut down on another step. If someone could make a guide on how to make each show or each four minute music video a chapter before burning to disc then maybe he could create discs that I could use in IFO mode, split by chapters. I can't find anything on the forum or in the Philips manual on how to do this. Not sure if it would work anyway since DVDDecrypter is having trouble seeing the first VOB. If he had a guide then it would be a lot easier fore him to learn how to use the recorder correctly. Being able to hook an external drive up to record to would've been a nice touch so you didn't have to deal with the DVD structure. | ||||||
| PhoneMatt posted 2009 Mar 10 13:52 | ||||||
| Sorry, Orsetto, but I have to disagree. My 3576 pretty much records what is broadcast- either from Line 1 or OTA- and plays it back the same way. 16:9 shows play back widescreen, 4:3 with pillar bars. I normally record from a Direct box, but sometimes record off the air with an antenna. I don't think that I've ever had to zoom a show. My Panny, however, won't pass the widescreen flag. That needs some work to make the disc look good. (Please, no flames about Panny's always needing work to look good.) | ||||||
| jagabo posted 2009 Mar 10 13:57 | ||||||
Some cable/sat boxes output anamorphically (ie, a 16:9 image squeezed into the full 4:3 analog frame) over s-video and composite. Others letterbox 16:9 material into the 4:3 frame. The recorder doesn't know the difference. It just records the image. | ||||||
| jjeff posted 2009 Mar 10 15:55 | ||||||
| I agree, the Philips will record whatever it's fed. If that's a 16:9 image from another DVD player to it's S-video input, it will record that. If it's fed a letter boxed 16:9 image (from a cable box STB) then it will record that (and then require a Zoom by your TV). It's not the Philips fault for the letter boxing, it would look the same way if you ran your STB's S-video output directly to your TV.
Setting the Wide Screen flag is another thing. If you're TV(or DVD player) doesn't have a way to stretch 4:3 to fill 16:9 screen then you'll be left with a vertically stretched (or horizontally compressed) 16:9 image within a 4:3 frame. Very few DVDRs set the flag, older Toshibas did but not many more. If you only play your discs on 16:9 TVs the flag doesn't really matter. None of my recorded 16:9 DVDs have the flag set and it doesn't worry me in the least. |
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