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| Rudyard posted 2009 May 21 01:08 | ||||
| Swinburne University research leads to DVD that will store 2000 movies
From correspondents in Paris Agence France-Presse May 20, 2009 10:45pm DVD More space ... researchers at Swinburne University in Melbourne have boosted the storage of DVDs 10,000-fold / file * New DVD technology stores more data * 2000 movies can be put on a single disc * Storage boosted nearly 10,000-fold SCIENTISTS have unveiled new DVD technology that stores data in five dimensions, making it possible to pack more than 2000 movies onto a single disc. A team of researchers at the Swinburne University of Technology in Melbourne, Australia, have used nanotechnology to boost the storage potential nearly 10,000-fold compared to standard DVDs, according to a study published in the peer-reviewed journal Nature. "We were able to show how nanostructured material can be incorporated onto a disc in order to increase data capacity, without increasing the physical size of the disc,'' said Min Gu, who led the team. Discs currently have three spatial dimensions. By using gold nanorods Gu and colleagues were able to add two additional dimensions, one based on the colour spectrum, and the other on polarisation. Because nanoparticles react to light depending on their shape, it was possible to record information in a range of different colour's wavelengths at the same physical location on the disc. Related Coverage Current DVDs record in a single colour wavelength using a laser. The fifth dimension was made possible by polarisation. When light waves were projected onto the disc, the direction of the electric field within the waves aligned with the gold nanorods. "The polarisation can be rotated 360 degrees,'' explained co-author James Chon. "We were, for example, able to record at zero degree polarisation. Then on top of that, were able to record another layer of information at 90 degrees polarisation, without them interfering with each other,'' he said in a statement. The researchers are still working out the speed at which the discs can be written on, and say that commercial production is at least five years off. They have signed an agreement with Korea-based Samsung, one of the world's largest electronics manufacturers. Last month, US technology giant General Electric said its researchers had developed a holographic disc which can store the equivalent of 100 standard DVDs. http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,28348,25515541-5014239,00.html Wow a 10,000 fold increase in data storage......wonder if this will ever see the light of day or is just a theoretical possibility. | ||||
| Ibseeking posted 2009 May 21 07:31 | ||||
| Article was also published in Nature Magazine
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v459/n7245/full/nature08053.html Wonder when this will get to production? | ||||
| SatStorm posted 2009 May 21 07:42 | ||||
| 10 years from now, it's going to be mainstream.
IF the Big Ones won't kill it or put it on hold with their influence. | ||||
| T-Fish posted 2009 May 21 10:51 | ||||
| id much rather have a dvd5 thats RELIABLE :? | ||||
| Midzuki posted 2009 May 21 10:58 | ||||
| So... are we closer to the "data crystals" from the B5 universe :?: :)
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| zoobie posted 2009 May 21 11:01 | ||||
| how much is one disc? $1000?
concerned companies usually swoop down and buy this research...then shelve it there is a 5th dimension...rod serling | ||||
| starwarrior29 posted 2009 May 21 18:11 | ||||
| It will come out the day after I purchase a 300 disc dvd changer. :P | ||||
| usually_quiet posted 2009 May 21 18:33 | ||||
| My personal opinion is that we will never see those improved DVDs. I believe that Within 10 years optical media will be abandoned as the distribution method for movies and TV shows in affluent countries.
Something else will take its place, and I think that one likely candidate is distrubution via download to media players and PVRs that impliment the required level of file encryption and copy protection. The movies will be tied to the device to which they were downloaded, but it might be permissible to move them to another approved device, after which the previous copy will be deleted automatically. DVDs may be in trouble already. One big retailer in my area, KMart, has already closed its video department and replaced it with bargain bins and a few cardboard displays featuring recent releases. | ||||
| fritzi93 posted 2009 May 21 20:11 | ||||
| Well, that's one more thing I expect I won't live long enough to see. I suspect it's either impractical, or will shortly be superseded. :| | ||||
| somebodeez posted 2009 May 21 21:24 | ||||
| :shock: I wonder how long that would take to make a back up copy? | ||||
| Wile_E posted 2009 May 21 21:34 | ||||
Yep. I think Blu-Ray will be the last disc based format. These new-fangled holographic discs will never be mainstream. Just look at DVD's and DVD-R. They were touted as supporting more than two layers, yet we never saw it. These new formats will be obsolete before they even make it to consumers. Video will be stored on high capacity memory sticks and be streamed over internet, before this ever sees the light. Problem is, these damn researchers take too damn long to decide on a new format. You know why? They keep getting paid BIG SALARIES for their non-sense research! | ||||
| greymalkin posted 2009 May 21 22:09 | ||||
| oh this is laughable..all these stories are the same...they use a catchy title to make you think there's a physical product that can actually do this..then you read about how they show how it can do it in theory...and then the phrase that's always somewhere in the article about it being ready in 5-10 years, which , statistically speaking with these sorts of articles means never.
booo! | ||||
| T-Fish posted 2009 May 22 06:46 | ||||
forget it... no physical media, no money from me (and pretty much everyone i know). the ONLY reason i dont download is because i want a dvd with a cover! if they try to charge me for a download and i dont even have a way of using it in multiple devices in my home, guess what im going to do? | ||||
| usually_quiet posted 2009 May 22 13:54 | ||||
| I like using physical discs too, but that does not seem to be the way the market is heading. Some people don't want to have to clean, store and organize more posessions, and many of the posts in these forums fall under the heading of converting DVD collections to another format to use with media players or mobile devices.
As far as what you would do without physical media... Popular acceptance of warez could reach the point where a few of the current means of distrbution are no longer viable. If a business does not make enough money selling or renting physical media, it stops ordering them. If too few stores are ordering, production stops. If too few people subscribe to premium movie channels or order video on demand, those services will go out of business too. If the studios can't make money on video streaming/downloads, we could go back to the days of watching movies at a cinema, or waiting a few years for them to show up on TV. At that point, I guess the warez crowd would have to make do with material shot with a camera smuggled into a cinema, until it becomes available on TV, featuring edits, channel logos, streaming banners and pop-up advertising. | ||||
| Number Six posted 2009 May 22 14:21 | ||||
| I like converting my DVDs for use on my media player only for portability convenience, but I prefer to own and watch them in disc form on a real large screen TV. I would not mind if media was available in the form of a permanent ROM chip in the future, but I will not own it in a locked and limited downloadable form with it being married to 1 piece of equipment.
This technology would be great if it ever became available. | ||||
| usually_quiet posted 2009 May 22 14:44 | ||||
Do you only buy software on a physical disc? I sometimes downloaded from the publisher to save money, or to get a program that isn't sold any other way. Either way, it's tied to one computer, if I want to obey the terms of the license I paid for. I can move it to another computer, but I'm supposed to delete it from the previous one to comply with the license. I expect movie downloads could work the same way, but if the media player/PVR is on a network serving the entire home, as is frequently the case even today, portability within the home is less of an issue. | ||||
| T-Fish posted 2009 May 22 15:12 | ||||
i did purchase a tool for 40 bucks in 1999. do you think i still have it? hell no. lost in hdd failures over the years. so i tried that approach and didn't like it and will never do it again. be it a movie or application or w/e. i wont pay for digital content, period. | ||||
| bn00 posted 2009 May 22 15:32 | ||||
| Better have scratch protection otherwise byebye 2000 movies. I wouldn't put all my movies in it. Well 10 yrs from now 1 movie could take about 1-10TB who knows.... | ||||
| Number Six posted 2009 May 22 15:45 | ||||
I do buy downloadable software, and back it up if the computer crashes, or is replaced by another computer - I do not need purchased programs on more than 1 computer. I do not have a HTPC, or Network Server - all my computers and laptops are standalone. I also do not watch movies on my computer. I was talking about my Zune, and older Netbook style mini notebook computer that I use when traveling, or when I'm not going to be home - very convenient, not the best quality or viewing experience, but it it is good enough to keep me occupied and entertained. Over the years I carried cassettes, then CDs, then a portable DVD player with a pack of discs - now I usually carry the Zune because it is so small. When I am home and want to relax and enjoy my media - I watch the physical disc on a real TV. | ||||
| usually_quiet posted 2009 May 22 18:00 | ||||
| Cableco or satco PVRs are linked with TVs to form a simple wired network now to watch recordings in any room. I believe we may someday be able to do the same with media players, over a simple wired or wireless network, no computer needed.
It could be possible to include more than one format in your purchase, a couple for portable devices and one for home use. As far as backups... To be competative, a supplier could choose track your purchases, as Amazon does with Kindle books, and provide you with a backup copy if you need one. As far as computers... I have a feeling that at some point, playing commercial movies (on a memory stick or disc) using a computer or legally downloading movies to a computer will no longer be possible. If one can do that, copy protection and encryption can be negated more easily. | ||||
| dvd33 posted 2009 Jun 02 03:58 | ||||
| Looks like great technology to use for data storage. I would love to be able to store native mp4 material and to archive video production from my xdcam ex1 on these disks.
Does anyone know if this is possible? dvd33 www.bluechilli.co.za | ||||
| DereX888 posted 2009 Jun 16 02:01 | ||||
Probably. Except that it will still hold only ONE movie as usual, just at higher resolution and with more "extras" junk. | ||||
| x2x3x2 posted 2009 Jun 19 22:57 | ||||
| Seriously, 47TB worth of storage? Can't even imagine what these could be used for other than backup. | ||||
| Supreme2k posted 2009 Jun 19 23:23 | ||||
| On the other hand, I remember when one gig was astronomical. "Who could possibly ever need THAT much space?!?!" | ||||
| stiltman posted 2009 Jun 19 23:39 | ||||
We could burn through that in a day if we wanted to. 200TB is 3 days max.... RAW video that is | ||||
| RabidDog posted 2009 Jun 24 19:27 | ||||
| Will this work in a Philips 5982? :toma: | ||||
| mh2360 posted 2009 Jun 24 20:04 | ||||
| The media companies don't want you to buy 2000 movies on one disc, they want you to buy 2000 movies on 2000 discs. :wink:
It could be useful in the future if they manage to perfect a true 3D display, you'll probably need some serious storage capacity for that... | ||||
| Karel Bata posted 2009 Jul 28 22:21 | ||||
| I think it's all going to go the same way as the music industry.
And why not? It's just more data. Virtually everything can play music files now - even your phone. Would you have guessed that 10 years ago? Video's not far behind. I was given a promotional video by the Irish Tourist Board the other day - on a USB stick! The shock of the new... What all this will do is break down the quaint notion of 'owning' a film - in the same way that owning a music album is now looking a bit old school. Look at what the kids are doing today. They're increasingly listening to music streaming from sites like Spotify (and for free!) rather than bothering with the hassle of downloading or ripping it, let alone buying it! Why bother possessing a hard copy when it's always there on-line? And actually quicker to get to than finding and loading a CD. So you own the latest CD by Amy Junkhead? So what? One day wi-fi will be everywhere (at least in the cities) and you will be able to listen to what you want, where and when you want it. In a world like that, why own a CD? For the cover art..? That's the future. You don't like it? You must be over 25! :D I must say I don't like it either. How will films make money? It will further erode quality and dumb down what we have - like we've seen happen with music. But I'm over 25 too... :( So any talk about developing some new DVD format is daft. On the other hand maybe some part of that research is easy to implement and we may see its application in specialist areas. But in the same way that I'm happy to put my mountain of VHSs on a hard drive (and with 2 back-ups!) I look forward to being able to access albums instantly on a wi-fi player and not have to remember where I put them. :D And we'll see much the same with films. | ||||
| themaster1 posted 2009 Jul 29 20:49 | ||||
| Nano technology means "organic" if i'm not mistaken.
Your dvd will store ten thousands movies and will self destruct in what 5 years at best. I wouldn't be the joe who stored all his movies on such dvd. | ||||
| pepegot1 posted 2009 Jul 29 20:52 | ||||
| You had better hope it does not get damaged!! | ||||
| Rudyard posted 2009 Jul 29 22:02 | ||||
Nano technology means very small technology, typically things smaller than 100 nanometers. | ||||
| Video Head posted 2009 Jul 30 02:26 | ||||
| The future is still on a plastic Disc? How 1980's...
I would have thought that by this time, and movies made me believe, that there would be a new technology that hovered in thin air and projected holograms in 3D for my viewing pleasure... How disappointing! I guess its just the qwerty keyboard, mouse and the plastic disc for another millenium. | ||||
| Karel Bata posted 2009 Jul 30 03:14 | ||||
| Just read about some research on viewing habits in a student dorm. Over 40% didn't watch TV on a regular set (they probably didn't have one!) but watched it on their laptop.
Now the obvious thing I'm saying there is 'TV first, movies next' but less obvious is that no-one thinks of owning a TV program (leaving aside box sets). This notion we have of ownership is a product of the means (the only means up to now) of distribution. Once you can pluck whatever media you want out of the air, why should you want to own a copy? | ||||
| Reading Bug posted 2009 Aug 04 15:53 | ||||
| I'm not against downloads/instant gratification, but you should always have the option of backing up your purchase to hard copy. Any media download you pay for should be disc-compliant. That's where something like this new technology could become handy.
Having material out there in cyberspace is fine, but I would never want to compromise my control (or risk losing my acquisitions) by having soft copies act as my sole source. Sites crash, drives crash. I need a hard copy too. | ||||
| Karel Bata posted 2009 Aug 04 18:10 | ||||
| You're clearly over 25 then. :D | ||||
| mh2360 posted 2009 Aug 04 18:41 | ||||
Yes, a disc of that capacity (and expense, probably), would need to come in a caddy like the old DVD-RAM disks. In fact I always thought the caddies were a good idea, and should have been an option for standard DVDs as well. | ||||
| Reading Bug posted 2009 Aug 04 20:52 | ||||
The less experienced may not care as much as the more experienced, I'd say. It's really not age. The PC predates me, yet I've always felt this way due to the clear and simple logic of the concept. In our lives, soft copies can disappear. You need to protect yourself. Would you put all your eggs in just one basket? | ||||
| Karel Bata posted 2009 Aug 05 06:17 | ||||
| Point taken. I'd agree that it's better to have your own hard copy of something that is in some way of value to you, or maybe you just like the DVD extras like I do :D , or prefer the non-director's cut of Blade Runner (which is difficult to get hold of now) or some such. But most stuff I currently buy on plastic disk ends up cluttering my flat. And I don't want to throw it away because i may want to watch it again in 5 years. So if it's something like Batman Whatever I'm quite happy to pull it out of the ether when I want it... | ||||
| DereX888 posted 2009 Sep 30 22:18 | ||||
That is exactly what MPAA/RIAA cartels want all of us to think. You've been well brainwashed :) The first "media" that were in our (humans) use, were probably books. Sure I don't own any copyright to the books I buy (I mean physical/actual paper-printed books), so of course I am not allowed to reprint it or make whatever copies of it. Yet I DO OWN a copy of it and I can do whatever I want with it - i.e. give it for free or lend it to my friend. Hell, I forgot: I can even legally resell it! :D If I "buy" very same book in its digital form (or whatever non-physical media "streamed" to me = exactly what you are proposing) can I do the same with it? No, I can't give it to anyone, I can't lend it to anyone, I can't even leave it for my great-grandchildren so it could become valuable rare 200-years old object some museums may offer truckload of cash for ;) No one wants to "own" TV program same as no one wanted to own radio program. But we were allowed to do with it basically the same as we did with books - we could record it and even lend it to whomever we wanted to. Even though radio or TV program is not any physical media (like paper books are), very same principles of "owning" it apply there. It all changes with Digital Restrictions Mangement that is virtually the sole evil of taking away from us all those small "limited ownership" principles mankind had for centuries, don't you see it? Under false pretenses of "copy protections" and "fighting piracy" we were legally robbed of our small freedoms for the benefit of Big Corporations that run cartels like RIAA, MPAA and many other! With DRM'ed digital broadcast you already can't "record" a football game for later viewing without broadcaster's permission, and forget about "taping it" digitally and giving it to your buddy at school or work. Not only forbidden, but also impossible with all the copyprotections of i.e. cable tv... heck, you can't even view it yourself in another room if you don't have another decoder there. In your opinion that's OK that you've paid for all those channels yet you are being restricted to watching them on a single television set because your greedy Cable Co. wants to make more-More-MORE money and want you to pay extra for more decoders without which you can't see any of those 70 channels you've actually paid for having access to? Sure, there is nothing wrong with "protecting the content against piracy", but why YOU have to pay for it in the form of severe usage limitations and eadditional charges for extra decoders? Think of it: you paid for all the channels in your package. Whats is the actual problem on Cable Co.'s side to have them delivered to you in a non-encrypted form over their cable, after all YOU PAY THEM for all those channel's package, hence you can't be any "pirate" :) :) Isn't it a legally-approved extortion? I remind you: mere 15 years ago you could watch all 70 channels each on different tv set all at once simultaneously if you wanted to and had enough tv sets at home - because you've paid for it. Let's assume you haven't change your channels package since that time and you still have all the same 70 channels in your package today, the only difference is that they are "streamed" to you digitally: can you watch them all on as many tv sets as before? YOU CAN'T. You've been already robbed from this little freedom (not to mention ability to "record" any of them, which is your LEGAL RIGHT under Fair Use clause). But more importantly: If you have bought a paper copy of a "1984" book few months ago at - say - Barnes & Noble, there was no way Barnes & Noble could have ever took it back from your home. for no matter what reason or excuse they might have had. You've paid for it and it is yours for as long as you want to keep it. According to our laws it would have been tresspassing, theft and maybe few other crimes or felonies if they would have come to your house and took the book back away from your posession. But if you have bought a digital version of the same book, it would have already disappeared from your reader (if you remember what have just happened few months ago). Not virtually but literally it would have been stolen from your library - and what's worse, it was stolen completely legally! Yet I'm talking about exactly same book, exactly same product, the only difference is the way both are delivered to the customer! One is legally yours and no one can take it away from you ever no matter what, while the other is not only never yours (more like you rent it) but it can be taken away from you - legally - at any time, for whatever reason or no reason at all, without your consent or knowledge. And I repeat: it is the VERY SAME PRODUCT, just on different "media". Sure, I too am for having everything delivered to me "off the air" without any hassle of going to stores etc, we all want it, don't we? But we cannot have it and we will not have it without Big Corporations abandoning all DRMs and stupid anti-consumer/pro-corporation laws like DMCA first! Otherwise, in few years onve we all switch to "off the air" delivery system, they will probably force us to pay for each and every song, picture, or video we view to pay every time; I mean EACH and every time we view or listen anything we will HAVE TO pay because there will be no alternatives. RIAA's and MPAA's dream come-tru: no more "hard copies" of anything, and entire countries' market where consumers are paying for each and every time they "use the product", everything DRMed and with copyrights on everything possible - and extended for few generations! Unfortunately, as it seems, this "battle" (if not entire "war") has been already won by Big Corporations that already own probably all our lawmakers and "run the show" any way they want :( What is even more sad is that more and more people are starting to think the way you think. I guess 10 years of tons of monies spent on public brainwashing by Big Co.s is starting to pay off... | ||||
| zoobie posted 2009 Oct 01 00:27 | ||||
| Interesting read...
My view is, if I'm paying, channels should be commercial-free. Wasn't the failing Blu-ray the reason the industry (not consumers) decided was the way to go because of it's Sony-Style DRM? | ||||
| DereX888 posted 2009 Oct 01 01:27 | ||||
Zoobie, Sony basically is *the industry*. This corporation own more direct- showbusiness and -related companies all over the world than anyone else ever, probably enough to dictate the rest to do whatever it want. And it even owns or have decisive stakes in large insurance companies too - therefore in banks and other vital market sectors, for crying out loud. Its all murky and often buried deep, but you can still find out lot of info if you want to dig who owns who. Sure if you pay it should be commercials-free, or it should be free and you shouldn't pay. That's what I'm saying for long time too. I wanted to sue Loews for subjecting me to viewing 17+ minutes of commercials prior showing the movie in their theater (for which screening I have of course paid full admission price), but after first talk with a nice Jewish (of course :)) lawyer I realized that without having few million bucks at my disposal I have no chance against them in our so-called "legal system" of Courts of (un)Law. I'm not poor, but we're talking possible millions - and even if I had that much to waste, I still won't have possibly 100-years long life span in case their lawyers would just stall and drag it... BTW, thanks for reading such long "rant" :) | ||||
| Karel Bata posted 2009 Nov 08 06:10 | ||||
| I agree with a lot of what you say. And i can see other hidden dangers too. If you log in each time (or your mobile device does) to access these services, at home or out and about, somewhere there will be a record of not just your tastes, but also all your movements. It reminds of something the head of the East German Secret Police said (back in the Communist days): "We want to know everything." It seems horribly ironic to me that only 20 years later the West is managing to achieve precisely that - and all because we want the latest gadget and the convenience of watching Toy Story 6 without making any real effort.
Anyhows, this super-DVD is dead in the water: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/26/business/media/26stream.html?pa ... f=business |
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