How to PROPERLY burn DVD2ONE DVD's using TOAST 6.0

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How to PROPERLY burn DVD2ONE DVD's using TOAST 6.0

galactica posted 2003 May 02 10:06

The following tutorial is also avaliable on the net HERE which also includes DVD2ONE insturction as well as how to burn with Toast

Ok, since I have seen LOTS of people saying:
"DVD2ONE is great, the VIDEO_TS folder plays wonderfully using apple's DVD player program, then I burn it and my DVD player wont play it!"

Here is the PROPER method using TOAST TITANIUM 6.0:

1. Locate your VIDEO_TS folder that is the output of DVD2ONE. Now, make a new folder (untitled folder will appear) Rename this folder to the exact name of your DVD, using _ where there is a space between words.
Examples:
DVD Mounts to your Desktop as THE_ONE (name the untitled folder THE_ONE)
DVD mounts to your Desktop as GLADIATOR (name the untitled folder GLADIATOR)
2. Drag your VIDEO_TS folder from DVD2ONE into that newly named folder.
3. Open your newly named folder, which now has VIDEO_TS in it. Add a new folder (untitled folder will appear) and rename that folder to AUDIO_TS.
4. Open Toast 6.0. Choose DATA, then choose DVD-ROM (UDF) from the menu to the left. If you do not have a menu, click on the button that looks like this ([<)
5. Drag your folder that has the name of the DVD you are backing up to Toast. You will notice that the disk name is the name of that folder (i.e., THE_ONE or GLADIATOR etc) and that there are two folders in the disk (VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS)
Example:
DVD_NAME
-- AUDIO_TS
-- VIDEO_TS
------ video_ts.ifo, etc.
------ vts_01_0.vob, etc.
6. Remove any of the invisible files if they show up (.DS_STORE etc) using the clear function of TOAST. (Also look in the folders AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS to see if there are any invisible files present. Some players can handle these files, other apparently have problems with them)
7. Burn baby burn.

Alternatively, you can also do this
1. Open Toast, Click on DATA, then DVD-ROM (UDF)
2. Click NEW DISC (name this as the dvd should be named)
3. Click ADD and name the folder AUDIO_TS
4. Drag your VIDEO_TS to the toast window

This will create a DVD using the standard format and will ensure that your DVD player can play the DVD.

Oh, I forgot the rest of the steps
8. Open microwave popcorn bag, place in microwave, push POPCORN and let it pop.
9. Open REFRIDGERATOR and select drink of choice (Beer, Wine, Coke etc)
10. Remove DVD from Mac (should be done burning by now) place in standalone DVD, get popcorn and drink, push play and enjoy
:wink:

--Galactica

pants posted 2003 May 02 11:46

http://www.recipe4dvd.com/toast.html

look here if unsure.

also you should get a dvd-rw at least for testing, till you get the hang of it so don't make caosters. you can get them for 4-8 bucks at like compusa/best buy/office depot type places.

MichaelLAX posted 2003 May 02 12:26

galactica :

You will notice that the disk name is the name of that folder (i.e., THE_ONE or GLADIATOR etc) --Galactica

Ah, that probably explains why my backup of Pumpkin plays on my Apple DVD, my Sony 315, but not on my Samsung DV-1000: I have not been naming the DVD the exact name as the original. Thanks for the tip...

As far as DVD-RWs are concerned, I purchased 25 from www.americal.com for about $45 (white tops), they play on all of my machines and they erase and reburn without a hitch. RWs are great for "testing without coasters" as noted.

Also I am now starting to make a "TV Week" DVD-RW that places my favorite shows on one DVD-RW (using MPEG-1 and Capty DVD), so that I can open more space on my DirecTiVo. (I am still unresolved as to whether to "trim" out commercials, which adds substantially more time to the process, or just make a chapter mark at the end of each commercial break. Since MPEG-1 results in over 6 hours of capacity, and since I am probably not archiving these shows [hence the DVD-RWs], I will probably stick with chaptering...)

In this regard, I just picked up a Replay 5060 from Costco ($249 less $50 rebate) to experiment with direct MPEG-2 extraction into my Mac so that I can make DVDs. With DirecTiVo, I have to realtime digitize into my Mac and I cannot watch any other TiVo or live programming during the process (of course there is Tivo/Turbo/Net, but Replay apparently makes it much easier to get the stream out...)

Of course if I want to make a 6+ hour TV Week DVD-RW, I will have to transcode it to MPEG-1, but still this process will be on the Mac and not tying up the DirecTiVo.

mcrispin posted 2003 May 02 13:52

uhhh..... what do I do if my microwave doesn't have a popcorn button? :)

MC

galactica posted 2003 May 02 14:17

Well gosh, we are talking before my time them!
ha just kidding, I remember having one that has the dial you have to turn! And forget popcorn.
But, back then it also was not possible to burn dvd's at home :)

man how the times are changing. Whats next? Who knows?!?!

radfx posted 2003 May 04 12:34

:?: just a question: :?:

Why does it matter what the name of the disk is? - i dont think the IFO files look to it..

i mainly ask as i do alot of DVD SP work and just create the video_TS folder (somtimes i wont even name the disk in DVD-SP) but just give it a name when burning in Toast- they have all worked fine- or are some players particular about it??

thanks in advance

AntnyMD posted 2003 May 04 17:26

Those instructions were meant to be foolproof. I never use all caps or underscores in my DVD disc name, and they all play just fine.

What people don't seem to understand is DVDs are different from CDs, so you just can't drop DVD-Video files in a CD project and expect it to work in your DVD player.

kwasnicki posted 2003 May 05 00:34

I find if I put a "AUDIO_TS" folder I have problems with it playing, with apples DVD player.

monkey7 posted 2003 May 05 03:27

1. make sure your popcorn is mirowaveable.

2. it should be in a bag saying this 'side up.' (wallmart $2.00 for 6 pack)

3. 'this side up' make sure you put this side up.

4. times should vary on microwave.
500 watts 3:25 min
800 watts 3:00 min
1000 watts 2:75 min

5. put in the right time. then press start.

6. you'll hear the finishing sound effects.

7. your done.

AntnyMD posted 2003 May 05 06:38

8. Wash your hands.

9. Eat said popcorn.

galactica posted 2003 May 05 08:26

Well Said!
Who can watch a movie without popcorn!

Now to the questions:

radfx: It theoretically doesn't matter what name you call it, just that you use the standard titling procedure. I only put it that way because its a foolproof method. To avoid confusion for newbies, I said to name your new disk the same as the disk copying.

kwasnicki: Do the disks play fine in standalone players? Typically adding the AUDIO_TS folder ensures that it will play on standalone players. If your situation shows you that adding the AUDIO_TS folder decreases playback on your chosen dvd player, then just toss the folder and burn it without it (as long as without it plays also :wink:)

AntnyMD: Agreed, the use of all caps isnt necessary, but again, it was to be a foolproof method. Likewise, my experience has shown that ALL players can handle disks with all caps and _ where as some will handle names with out all caps and without underscores. Its a safer bet to just use all caps and _. What harm can it have (its just the name of the disk!)

On another note, it was pointed out to me by another user that his disks didnt play in his dvd player until he removed the invisible files also seen in the VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folders (just removing the root invisible files was not enough)
While I have found that it doesnt affect playback if they are there are not, I suppose this is yet another example of how things are player specific.

My recommendation, remove all seen invisible files to ensure proper playback in all players. (note how its added to the above method)

tgpo posted 2003 May 05 11:05

I agree. Your DVD Player doesn't need the invisible files, so I'd say simply delete them. It can't hurt. Other people have talked about how the requirement the AUDIO_TS folder, someplayers want em' some don't need em'. So to make it where you disk will play in the most amount of players, add the folder......dvd burning is cool :P

galactica posted 2003 May 09 14:17

Bumping up to the top.

whats the requirements for a stickey?

To me it seems important information. People are still asking how to, or are having problems becuase of burning methods.

-Galactica

markusb posted 2003 May 10 01:01

I dunno if this will be important to anyone else, but here goes.

When I try to view the VIDEO_TS folder created from a Dvd2oneX movie only copy, the darn thing won't play 'cause the apple dvd player doesn't recognise it as a valid dvd.

I assume this is becuase there are no .IFO or .BUP files in the output VIDEO_TS folder. I fixed this using tocgen and the original .IFO .BUP files (renamed of course!) Then it plays fine on all my machines and standalone dvd players. Now i am not saying o need to do this, but wouldn't this step make it more compatible?

Just for discussion really, as it all works for me on this basis.

cheers

markusb

galactica posted 2003 May 14 11:49

huh, ill have to look at this. I guess I should make it known that this is for the DISC COPY output of dvd2one.

want to type up a 1.2.3. on your movie only method so i can paste it into the how to above??

thanks

either post it here, or PM it to me.

galactica posted 2003 May 17 21:24

To the top, once again!
Seems this is still a legitimate problem a lot are having.

I have had 3 private messages where the solution has been toast burning method errors.

galactica posted 2003 May 27 11:41

bumping again!

seems its valuable info for people again!

schmeg posted 2003 May 30 09:57

markusb :

When I try to view the VIDEO_TS folder created from a Dvd2oneX movie only copy, the darn thing won't play 'cause the apple dvd player doesn't recognise it as a valid dvd.

I assume this is becuase there are no .IFO or .BUP files in the output VIDEO_TS folder. I fixed this using tocgen and the original .IFO .BUP files (renamed of course!) Then it plays fine on all my machines and standalone dvd players. Now i am not saying o need to do this, but wouldn't this step make it more compatible?

If this thread has been made Sticky, it should be clarified that DVD2OneX does indeed create the .IFO and .BUP files when processing in "Movie Only" mode.

Not sure what the problem was above (MarkusB, has it been working okay?) but let's not give newcomers the impression that there are MORE hoops they have to jump through...

: )

dcsos posted 2003 May 30 11:45

I've read that the reason the user is usually told to create a companion empty folder named AUDIO_TS and place it in the project is not so much to cause a SETTOP PLAYER COMPATIBILITY
but to make sure that the resultant disc has a folder on it !!
and the files in the VIDEO_TS folder do not inadvertently end up in the DISC ROOT DIRECTORY..

Thus by adding the empty AUDIO_TS folder we have insured the correct structure a DVD needs- one or TWO FOLDERS in the root directory

NOTE: The audio folder is not alway empty---
the AUDIO_TS folder is used for .AOB's in the case of a
DVD AUDIO TITLE

markusb posted 2003 Jun 01 02:02

schmeg :

Not sure what the problem was above (MarkusB, has it been working okay?)

Strangely enough schmeg, this has only happened to me once. And I cannot explain it. If I figure out why it did it, I will post it here.

cheers

markusb

galactica posted 2003 Jun 02 13:50

dcsos :

Im not so sure about this, but my impression was that its to mimic the way most commercial dvd's appear when mounted.

You will usually find a single AUDIO_TS folder and a single VIDEO_TS folder. Yes, the AUDIO_TS folder is not always empty!

Per my tutorial above, its noted that you make a NEW folder which you then title as the DVD TITLE. Then, you place the VIDEO_TS folder into this NEW folder. Thus, when the NEW folder is put into toast, it assumes the role of the DVD DISK and the VIDEO_TS folder is now a subfolder, and the files do not end in the root of the DVD disk!

llee782 posted 2003 Jun 04 17:00

Or you could just download DVD Imager from VersionTracker or MacUpdate, drag your VIDEO_TS folder onto its icon, then open Disk Copy, press command-B and select the image file created by DVD Imager.

:)

dcsos posted 2003 Jun 04 17:40

Thanks GALACTICA, you really know your stuff!!
Great to see!

BY THE WAY, If you can remeber the older OS,
what is the lowest version of TOAST that handles firewire in 9.1
or do you need 9.2?

galactica posted 2003 Jun 05 11:41

To be honest, i cant remember back that far!

I remember having toast 4.0 (but not if it supports firewire drives)

I do know that the Toast Titanium 5.0 will run in 9 and im pretty sure it did. I think its can do both 9.1 and 9.2.

Personally dont have a firwire external drive, but a friend tells me that you can use 5.1 with OS9 and it will also support this TEAC external firewire burner.

galactica posted 2003 Jun 05 11:44

llee782 :

Does the app also put in the AUDIO_TS folder? or Do you have to drag both VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS fodlers to its icon.

My assumption is its going to image what you give it, again, for compatiblity reasons, include the AUDIO_TS folder!

The image method also works, just more steps and processing. Just openign toast, and ensuring its done as above is probably the fastest, since you still have to burn the dvd you image ;)

dcsos posted 2003 Jun 05 12:06

but a friend tells me that you can use 5.1 with OS9 and it will also support this TEAC external firewire burner.

Thanks I think that shows the ticket! Because strait from the box 5.0 couldn't cut it..and the upgrade to 5.14 (higher than .1) screwed with some other apps annoyingly!

galactica posted 2003 Jun 05 12:59

If you can get your hands on a copy of just 5.1.0 it will hopefully work!

:) Just for fun I booted into 9. MY GOSH!!!!!!!!!! HOW DID I EVER USE THAT SYSTEM! Its like going back to system 7!

llee782 posted 2003 Jun 05 13:04

galactica :

Does the app also put in the AUDIO_TS folder? or Do you have to drag both VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS fodlers to its icon.

Yes, it includes the AUDIO_TS folder. Try it, I bet you'll like it. It requires 10.2.

galactica posted 2003 Jun 05 13:28

Will try it for the sence of trying new things.
I have 10.2.6 so it should work nicely.

The image it makes still need to be burned as another step correct?

Or does it make an image and burn it all in one step?

Just curious, trying to make up a webiste with every tutorial I can think of that applies to Mac Video ;)

llee782 posted 2003 Jun 05 13:51

galactica :

The image it makes still need to be burned as another step correct?

Or does it make an image and burn it all in one step?

It just creates the image. Disk Copy or Toast must be used for burning.
The idea behind DVD Imager is that iDVD lets you burn a disk, but doesn't let you create a burnable disk image. That's a feature I wanted and DVD Imager gives it to me, sort of, by letting me easily make an image after I've burned a DVD in iDVD. But if you have created a valid DVD VIDEO_TS folder by other means, DVD Imager will let you quickly turn that into a disk image too.

galactica posted 2003 Jun 05 14:08

llee782 :

galactica :

The image it makes still need to be burned as another step correct?

Or does it make an image and burn it all in one step?

It just creates the image. Disk Copy or Toast must be used for burning.
The idea behind DVD Imager is that iDVD let's you burn a disk, but doesn't let you create a burnable disk image. That's a feature I wanted and DVD Imager gives it to me, sort of, by letting me easily make an image after I've burned a DVD in iDVD. But if you have created a valid DVD VIDEO_TS folder by other means, DVD Imager will let you quickly turn that into a disk image too.

;) ill give it a try. Would be interested to see how fast it is compared to say TOAST! Which is what I use to make my dvd-r into images. Just select COPY, go to FILE and SAVE AS DISK IMAGE. works every time. Quite fast too for dvd.

Will test it out. Thanks for the info.

simonsez69 posted 2003 Jun 07 16:27

Hi,

I have been a lurker for some time and want to thank you all for the information I have gained.

I have a little problem I was hoping you could help with....

I am able to backup and burn successfully using DVDbackup 1.3 , DVD2one, and Toast. The DVDs play in all of my home players.
However, the DVDs I am burning have many visual skips and sound dropouts in them while viewing in the DVD player. They play fine on the computer but once I burn them, they have the errors.
I have an Imac 94 17' with 768 f ram running os 10.2.6, Toast Titanium 5.1.1 and am using Movie copy only in DVD2one. I have been burning at 2x with the default ram cache set to 2mb.

What is the problem and how can I fix it?

Thanks, Mitch

p.s. I have never made a AUDIO_TS folder. Do I really need to? If so, what goes in there?

Tallylite posted 2003 Jun 07 21:43

Galactica...

I told you I would let you know how well I did with your tutorial; It's an amazing piece of information. I have burned three disks with no skips,
dropouts...no problems at all. Your tutorial is better than the one provided by mushkin memory.
Thanks for all your help..
I'm sure thousands of people have benefited from the time you have taken to do this.

Tallylite

galactica posted 2003 Jun 09 08:45

Thanks ;)

Percy Dovetonsils posted 2003 Jul 22 11:20

Just a note to say thanks for all the info!This has been working for me perfectly...I didn't think I could get it going but you made it very easy...you are a very kind and patient man,Galactica......

Spike

galactica posted 2003 Jul 23 11:40

not a problem! :D

caipirina posted 2003 Oct 02 18:18

I have used this tutorial many times very successfully ... in both 5 and 6 ... so .. thanks a lot Galactica ...

But I am running into something wierd and new ...

those pesky DS_Store or Desktop DB / Desktop DF files only show up when I hit the record button ... and i cannot remove them ...
when i still have the chance to hit "cancel" those files go back into hiding ... so .. i cannot remove them anymore ...

this has not happened before .. but now it happens in 5 and 6 .. in 5 i can still cancel, in 6 it already starts burning and i know i will have a coaster ...

P
here a screen shot (at least i am trying :)

galactica posted 2003 Oct 02 18:41

actually, what it looks like is NOT that the .ds_store are coming back but rather your are just seeing the addition of desktop files in v5 of toast. I am pretty sure these wont do anything - ie cause coasters.

Can you tell me you get the same response in Toast 6?
If so can you post those screenshots???

caipirina posted 2003 Oct 02 19:07

What came out of T5 sure was a coaster ...

in T6 it also happens that those 2 desktop files only show up once i started burning ... in 40 minutes i will know if i have another shiny frisbee.

What is puzzling is that I must have burned 50 DVDs in the last couple of weeks using t5 and t6 and that has not occured yet ... i was able to delete / remove / clear what i wanted and nothing else showed up once i hit record ...

cheers

galactica posted 2003 Oct 02 22:25

after talking on iChat I still think you should contact roxio about this.
I am aware that this should not happen for dvd.

I never see desktop files being added after i hit burn. only on cdr data will i see that, and that can be turned off.

terryj posted 2003 Oct 03 12:33

caipirina :

What came out of T5 sure was a coaster ...

in T6 it also happens that those 2 desktop files only show up once i started burning ... in 40 minutes i will know if i have another shiny frisbee.

cheers

Hi!
In Toast 6, in the Advanced tab as shown in your picture,
right below that, there should be a radio box
that is either checked or unchecked, that says
"Copy Desktop Database".
If you leave it unchecked, you should not see the file Desktop DB
show up in your burn.

To rid yourself of .DS store files, you can use Cocktail, .DS Store Cleaner,
or 20 or so other products from www.versiontracker.com.
I use Cocktail to remove the .DS store files ( version 2.21) and then
run the Pilot, BEFORE I do any burning on my main disc, as well as
the partitions from which my DVD2One Backups are stored, and when
I go to burn, there is no problems, and these files do not show up.

galactica posted 2003 Oct 03 13:32

terryj
can you post a screenshot

I dont see this ANYWHERE on my Toast 6!!!

terryj posted 2003 Oct 05 12:20

sure.

galactica posted 2003 Oct 05 15:33

well yes..... for cd's
but what about dvd's!

the option dissapears as soon as you click DVD-ROM UDF

terryj posted 2003 Oct 07 12:54

hmm...
ok I see that the option does disappear on DVDs.
A test I did this morning on BOAT TRIP
also put the .DS Store file there, but not the
Desktop DB. This is not suprising,
as I have re-used this partition about
5 or six times in doing DVD2ONE copies,
and have not yet had time to run
.DS Store cleaner, or Cocktail.

However, I can click on the file, and click the remove button,
and it goes away.

Since these files are no consequencs, I'm not understanding how they are affecting
the original poster's DVDs:

from Apple Mac OS X discussions:

"The file is created by the operating system and contains updated information on what is stored on the device. The "." that appears in front of the name is the Unix filenaming convention that makes that file invisible. If you see the file listed, you probably aren't booted into OS X or are using a different filemanger than Finder or have turned on the Finder's ability to see invisible files."

Since the toast window ACTS like a filemanager, I could see the files showing up there. But, since they are by nature invisible files,
the only way the could affect another (OS) is if they were made to be
VISIBLE?
this can be controlled in the System Preferences, by making it show
all invisible items as visible. I know for a fact you can set this option
while repairing permissions in Cocktail.

galactica posted 2003 Oct 07 23:51

I agree it is odd that invisible files would inhibit the dvd from playing, but then again anything possible.
for some .ds_store files dont make a difference
for others they inhibit playing.

could just be his specific dvd player.

ah well, the problem was solved.
Quitting toast after each burn will make the next burn not have the desktop files.

wierd huh.

terryj posted 2003 Oct 13 08:59

agreed.
:wink:

patent10021 posted 2003 Nov 06 00:34

Hi

Toast 6.0 on my DP G5 with Panther is not letting me burn at 4X. I get sense key erros, illegal action.

The media is 4x of course. how can this be happening?

Thanks

galactica posted 2003 Nov 06 06:43

did your G5 come with 10.2.8 and it worked fine then?
or has it always been like this since you got it?

patent10021 posted 2003 Nov 06 08:45

My G5 came with Panther. New install. Computer wasn't used before.

I have not yet used the finder burning tools, but I'd still like to know why this is happening.

Peace

galactica posted 2003 Nov 06 12:41

typically those errors come with cheap media.
what is the brand of the 4x media you are using?

patent10021 posted 2003 Nov 06 16:43

Yeah, I have the nice Fujifilm DVD-R's. I've had good results in the past.

I got DP G5, Panther Toast 6.0.1.

Arrrgghhh !!!!!!!!

And I can't use the Finder burning cause its a Toast image file.

P

1X speed sucks!

patent10021 posted 2003 Nov 06 18:35

im an idiot...its fixed....damn defaults

galactica posted 2003 Nov 06 19:41

glad you got it fixed ;)

patent10021 posted 2003 Nov 07 00:32

I'll let you know what is was. Don't laugh :P

It was the buffer underrun option. I already knew about it but in Toast 6 when you uncheck it, it doesn't stay that way. Each time you close Toast it reverts back.

I thought it was staying on "unchecked" but it was always reverting.

God, so lame. lol

I love my DP G5 :P !!!!!!!!!

chichow posted 2003 Nov 08 11:21

woah...so using Toast 6.0.1 - should i have under

MENU - recorder settings - advanced tab - buffer underrun prevention box checked or unchecked?

TIA

galactica posted 2003 Nov 08 11:26

I would have it checked.
Be sure to update to the 6.03 version

patent10021 posted 2003 Nov 08 19:07

In my experience buffer underrun checks can cause bad burns just as much as good burns.

I am using a DP G5 with retail Panther and retail Toast 6.0.3 and DVD images do not burn at 4X when the box is checked.

I am burning DVD Studio Pro 2 image so maybe Apple has some type of protection that disables writing at 4X.

If you want to test different setups use "simulation mode" and you will see for yourself.

Peace

chichow posted 2003 Nov 09 15:34

:(
How can I figure our what I am doing wrong?!?!? ARGH!

Sorry, but I am sooooooooooooooooo frustrated.
I’ve got a couple of DVDs to burn by tomorrow. They have to go back to a friend.

System G4 1.25DP running 10.2.8.
Using DVDBackup 1.3 / DVD2OneX / Toast 5 and 6

I never had a problem. Followed the scripts. After tons of coasters (freaking crappy matrix media), was burning DVD np.

After upgraded to 10.2.8. Couldn’t burn anymore. Upgraded Toast 6. no dice. Btw Toast is working just fine with CD copies etc.

Sometimes I would see .ds store files. Downloaded Cocktail and got rid of them. Still no go.

So I followed the steps.
I don’t see any .ds files.
My burned Disc looks like
Disc title
Doubleclick leads to two directories: AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS
Audio_TS is empty. VIDEO_TS has all files: .buf .ifo and .vobs

Here are the errors that I am seeing :

I get a “Not Permitted” when trying to use the Apple player with the DVD auto-mounted when I insert the disc.

When I use the Apple DVD Player and go to file à open video_ts folder and open up the video_ts folder on the burned dvd, I get:
There was a system error. Could not detect a valid media file.

Using VLC, if I go to open file and go the video_ts folder on the burned disc, the disc plays just fine…menu and all.

Question: Earlier in the thread someone had suggested using the .ifo and .buf files from the original DVD. Why would this make a difference.

Question: How do I use Sim mode to see if the burn will be valid?
Right now I am using RW’s.

Question: Even after a quick erase using Toast: could there be something left on the RW preventing the proper DVD read?

Any more suggestions???

Galactica / anyone: can u help me? *sigh*
:?

galactica posted 2003 Nov 09 17:45

chichow :

10.2.8 is an awful update. I bet its the update, if you can go back to 10.2.6

Question: Earlier in the thread someone had suggested using the .ifo and .buf files from the original DVD. Why would this make a difference.

not sure where that was discussed, it may help - but to be honest if the unburned video-ts folder does not play in apple dvd player, DO NOT BURN IT! you need to find out why they are not working, usually this is because you messed with the dvd format, ie removed things that should be there. how are you making these dvd's

are you doign anything other than just letting dvd2one process them? pulling .vob's out by yourself etc?

Question: How do I use Sim mode to see if the burn will be valid?
Right now I am using RW’s.

no point if you are using -rw to do sim mode. a rw disk can be rewritten so why do a simulation mode? if you want to just set it to simulatoin mode and go through the normal burn process, only difference is it doesnt burn anything!

Question: Even after a quick erase using Toast: could there be something left on the RW preventing the proper DVD read?

possible, but not likely. the full erase takes FOREVER!! but it may help.

Any more suggestions???

chichow posted 2003 Nov 09 20:37

galactica :

chichow :

10.2.8 is an awful update. I bet its the update, if you can go back to 10.2.6

how do i go back to 10.2.6?

Question: Earlier in the thread someone had suggested using the .ifo and .buf files from the original DVD. Why would this make a difference.

Question: How do I use Sim mode to see if the burn will be valid?
Right now I am using RW’s.

Question: Even after a quick erase using Toast: could there be something left on the RW preventing the proper DVD read?

possible, but not likely. the full erase takes FOREVER!! but it may help.
ok

Any more suggestions???

whats the problem again? coasters? by what definition? they dont play in your dvd player? does it support -rw disks? You really need to find out why the video-ts folder isnt playing in apple dvd player. vlc is WAY to forgiving with non standard dvd's so thats not a good thing to base it on.

burned disc does not play in apple dvd player or standalone dvd player.
only plays with VLC.

previous disc played in apple dvd player and standalone dvd player.

tell me EXACTLY what you did from the start
1. put dvd in mac
then what?!?!?!?!

put dvd in mac
start dvdbackup (also tried osex)
drop and drag files
take output video_ts folder and put under a new folder with dvd title
add in a audio_ts folder
drag whole shebang to toast 6

coaster :(

galactica posted 2003 Nov 09 20:54

chichow :

thanks! here's your problem

DRAG AND DRAG FILES!
you cant do that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
instead, drag the entire mounted dvd to dvdbackup. then process ALL DVD FILES!!!!!!!!!!

if you want the dvd to have any chance of playing, you have to get ALL OF THE FILES.

if your dvd is over 4.7 gigs on full backup you have to use dvd2one. if its under or equaly to 4.7 gigs on full backup, you just burn in toast.

make since?

chichow posted 2003 Nov 09 22:56

galactica :

chichow :

i DO drag the entire DVD into DVDbackup. :(
what else?

galactica posted 2003 Nov 09 23:08

post a screenshot of your toast window as if you were to burn the disk please.

chichow posted 2003 Nov 10 00:01

ok.

also did an update to 10.3 we'll see what happens.

how do i get a screenshot so i can post it here?

relatively new to OS X sorry.

dcsos posted 2003 Nov 10 06:35

If you need to use a MODE other than UDF for burning...read below....

I've seen a tutorial on not generating those 2 Desktop files
It involved creating a HARD DRIVE PARTITION for burning only..
That is, make a partiton to be left blank on your hard drive...
After DVD Studio Pro creates your DVD VOLUME to the Hard Drive (or you've copied everything with dvd backup)

you just initialize this partition, swing the DVD VOLUME onto the blank initialized surface

and BURN

the resultant disc does not contain those files

IN UDF (the proper mode for DVD VIDEO, you won't get these files anyway)

galactica posted 2003 Nov 10 06:49

dcsos :

IN UDF (the proper mode for DVD VIDEO, you won't get these files anyway)

while we are talking about this, ill say not true! at least with 6.0. it could be a bug, but if you burn 1 dvd, then remove the item with the app still open and set up another session, those little desktop DB files appear in UDF mode!

the only way i have found to correcct this is to close the app and open it again for each new burn.

dcsos posted 2003 Nov 10 07:04

Thanks for correcting me Galactica.. In 5 this was true

Now do you know about Desktop files?
They are bad..People have found they contain information about you and your software...by accident..One user found 'urls' of porn sites he had visited months ago stored in the .db file..another found the serial numbers entered into his applictions had made their way here...bad
look here

http://macintouch.com/desktopdb.html

galactica posted 2003 Nov 10 13:48

dcsos :

One user found 'urls' of porn sites he had visited months ago stored in the .db file..another found the serial numbers entered into his applictions had made their way here...bad
look here

http://macintouch.com/desktopdb.html

:o Who knew!
i have not had a bad experience with them being there or not, but then again my dvd player is really forgiving, others have said their presence on a dvd stops it from being able to play in a standalone dvd player

dcsos posted 2003 Nov 10 14:11

Burning from an IMAGE you don't get them do you GALACTICA?

I don't have enough experience to remember and I'm lucky enough that MY APEX ignores them if present as well
when I've not used UDF when burning a DVD

galactica posted 2003 Nov 10 15:12

correct, burn from image and they are not there, unless they were added during the image creation. ;)

chichow posted 2003 Nov 10 18:08

galactica :

post a screenshot of your toast window as if you were to burn the disk please.

Here are the screenshots - i found out I can do a cmd shift 4.

this first picture is where i have the files on the hard disk

this second picture is the snapshot of Toast

Does it look right? Its how I was doing things before.

galactica posted 2003 Nov 10 22:19

1. is this a movie only copy?
2. why is it only 3.28 gigs?

whats the SOURCE video_ts folder have in it? Its size?

chichow posted 2003 Nov 10 23:40

In this case it was a movie only copy.

SOOOOO guess what?
The DVD-RW (TDK DVD-RW 2x 4.7Gb 120min) that I am testing with plays just fine in my friends PC DVD player and also in his stand-alone player.

It however does not play in my Sony Standalone (I get the not permitted display), it does not play in my Apple software DVD player. It does not even show up on my IBM laptop DVD/CD-RW drive.

So it was the FREAKING MEDIA. ARGH.

I just tried burning with some Ritek 4x (love the 13 min burn times) and it went just fine. This whole time I am trying to prevent coasters using this DVD-RW and that's what is not being liked by my equipment. *sigh* talk about frustrating.

btw my friend is considering get some new DVD writer that does 8x. wow.
6-7 min burn times. yeah yeah.

oh and galatica...thanks really. i really appreciate it.

anyone wanna buy some 2X TDK DVD-RWs :oops:

galactica posted 2003 Nov 11 06:33

my next suggestion was about to be media....
have to remember, not all dvd players can play -rw disks!
but at least you found the solution!

dwarf_nebula posted 2003 Nov 15 01:26

Ok, I've tried numerous times following the directions posted and the dvd will not play. I'm running Panther, have a new Lacie DVD Burner and I'm using Memorex DVD-RW media. I am attempting to copy a DVD concert that I own for back-up purposes. It is a little over 7 gigs. I use DVD Backup. Then DVDoneX and then Toast 6 Titanium. I don't get any errors when I burn but the DVD will not play in either my Lacie drive (dvd player opens but won't run), or my Apple DVD player (where, upon inserting the disk, it spins for a few seconds and then ejects the disc). Please help. Thanks.

Also, Toast 6 sees my Lacie player as a Pioneer. Is this normal?

Marc

galactica posted 2003 Nov 15 11:43

hows about a screenshot of exactly what it looks like in toast before you burn.
if you can post that it would be a great help

dwarf_nebula posted 2003 Nov 15 12:55

Here you go. Thanks for your help.

Marc

dwarf_nebula posted 2003 Nov 15 12:59

I guess the image didn't show up. I attached a jpeg screen shot to my last post and iy didn't show up. How do I post a screen shot correctly?

patent10021 posted 2003 Nov 15 14:37

just wanted to say thanks to Galactica and everyone who helped me. OMG this stuff is so simple. Now I understand how those DVD authoring companies put together the menus and how they are linked. Everything about this stuff is sooooo easy once you play with one DVD. I even took out certain annoying trailers etc.

galactica posted 2003 Nov 15 14:57

dwarf_nebula :

I guess the image didn't show up. I attached a jpeg screen shot to my last post and iy didn't show up. How do I post a screen shot correctly?

you will have to upload it to a server of your own or some method of getting it to a web address

once you have that its just [ img ] and the url for the image followed with [/img ]
if you cant do that, just email it to me.

dwarf_nebula posted 2003 Nov 15 15:41

At what address shall I email you. Thanks

Marc

patent10021 posted 2003 Nov 15 19:42

OOPS . I GOT ONE QUESTION GUYS.

In DVD2OneX I have (2) two hour long movies listed in the window. Both exactly the same length of time.

One has 33 chapters and one has 13 chapters.

The 33 chapters is the main movie so what is the movie with only 13 chapters? It's NOT the Directors Commentary because the directors commentary is just the main movie but with a separate audio AC3 track.

It's not another language because I played them and they are also 33 chapters.

So what is it?

Thanks

galactica posted 2003 Nov 17 06:48

dwarf_nebula :

At what address shall I email you. Thanks

Marc

click my PROFILE, you will see all my contact info.

galactica posted 2003 Nov 17 06:49

patent10021 :

im confused, you have 2 movies there. as in your using the join feature?
if so, i would say the 33 chapter 1 is the 1st movie
the 13 chapter one is the 2nd movie. can you provide a little more detail, or perhaps a screen shot?

dwarf_nebula posted 2003 Nov 17 09:28

http://homepage.mac.com/marckatz/FileSharing35.html

Another try at posting image.

patent10021 posted 2003 Nov 17 09:58

hey it looks like you have 4 emails waiting bro :P

Galactica , what I was saying was that I am in USER DEFINED MODE and in the main window at the bottom where it lists all the titles I have one 2:05:02 title that contains 33 chapters and I have another title that is 2:05:02 with 13 chapters.

Both the same movie length of 2 hours but one has the full 33 chapters and one only has 13 chapters.

TITLES CHAPTERS ANGLES DURATION
1 33 1 2:2:05:02
2 13 1 2:2:05:02

Also, whenever I select user defined mode the menus don't get burned.
It just seems to burn the main movie.I guess this is normal?

galactica posted 2003 Nov 17 11:23

Ok, here is a screenshot of dvd2one

I have OUTPUT set to USER DEFINED. this simply means you get to choose the output size, thats all.

now, for getting menu's extras etc, that has nothing to do with user defined. instead, look to where it says COPY. your options are
1. JOIN as seen here - allows you to join 2 dvd video_ts folder into 1
2. Movie - which is just the movie NO MENU'S, EXTRAS etc
3. Disc - which is just that, the entire disk - hence menu's extras etc

now, this example is of The One (Jet Li).
Notice there is Title 1 and Title 4 who have the same number of chapters, same length etc. That is because this particular DVD has BOTH widescreen and full screen (hence one is wide, other is full)

now, the only way you actually get to see this option is when you are in movie only or join mode.
note how in this picture, which is DISC COPY mode, you dont get to see these because they are all being copied.

make since???

ps, i still have yet to get an email from anyone so I hope this helps.

dwarf
Im not entirely sure whats going on with yours. Everything looks good in your toast screenshot. I have no idea why its showing up as a pioneer drive. does it work for other things, cd burning for example?
just curious. can you try the burned dvd-rw in something you know for a fact plays -rw disks?

patent10021 posted 2003 Nov 17 11:57

ok , thats great Galactica. I already have those settings set the way
I want but what I'm asking is about these settings.

This movie has two titles. they are BOTH the same video content
however, it says that one title has 33 chapters and one has 13.

When watching the movie it DOES have 33 chapters.
What I'm asking is what the heck then is the title that is only 13 chapters?
I can't find a separate VOB file for it. The 13 chapter version is embedded into the same 33 chapter video file.
I thought at first that it was the Directors Commentary and it just contained 13 chapters but it's not.
The Directos Commentary also has 33 chapters just like the main movie.

Thanks

User Defined
Film
Constant

TITLES CHAPTERS ANGLES DURATION
1 33 1 2:2:05:02
2 13 1 2:2:05:02

I would include a image but I returned the Hulk already :P

galactica posted 2003 Nov 17 12:01

you should see these as seperate .vob files

look to your VIDEO_TS folder for this particular movie (the ripped one)
look to the file size for the video_ts folder. you should see a section of large file sizes, then another. thats the two title sets.

patent10021 posted 2003 Nov 17 12:15

I did already.. there aren't .. There is ONE set of six 1.3 GB VOB files.

They all belong to ONE movie. The main movie.

I already played each one separately in Toast to view them. They are six different video segs to the Hulk all belonging to one title.

Some where there is another audio version of the movie that contains only 13 chapters as opposed to the full 33 chapters.

Its not a different language because they all are also 33 chapters.
Its not the Directors Commentary cause it also has 33 chapters.

Weird. Oh well... The main things is that I have the movie one one disc and the extras on another isn't it? :P

The movie companies actually made it easier for us to dup because they put the extras on a separate disc. Well, also cause they couldnt fit all the extras onto disc 1.

I guess their answer to having the CSS kracked was to develop their own DVDR 10 standard instead of creating another CSS (that would end up being kracked). hehe

If I imported all the VIDEO_TS files into DVDSP2 I could take out all the BS trailers right?

Tia

galactica posted 2003 Nov 17 13:14

patent10021 :

If I imported all the VIDEO_TS files into DVDSP2 I could take out all the BS trailers right?

Tia

you dont have to go into dvdsp2 for that. just find the .vob's relating to the "crap" and replace them with a sinlg text file thats named the same thing

example, VTS_04_01.vob is a tralier. Just create a VTS_O4.O1.vob thats a text file and replace the movie one with the text

NOTE: DO THIS AFTER DVD2ONE. so you will have to use a simple ratio formula to figure out the file size that is above 4.4 needed to make only the movie .vob's 4.4 gigs.

if thats too complicated let me know - ill try to give you an example if i get some time.

patent10021 posted 2003 Nov 17 13:34

ahh a text file , interesting cause I tried replacing a garbage trailer that was 122mb with a video seg (the FBI warning) cause it was only 8k.
I just copy and pasted the same VOB file name.
But I guess it didn't recognize the replacement.

Guess I had to use a text file.

However the trailers only show up in Disk Copy mode anyway which I I WONT be using with these new movies.

User Defined, Film, Constant seem to get the best results when you dont care about the menus. With the new bigger movies all the other modes
show too much compression. Any movies over 7.5 GB it seems.

I think the best method for the NEW movies is to use the main movie with AC36 with any other audio you want like Directors Commentary / subs and thas it. Forget the menus and 1st disc extras. And then Disk Copy the Extra Features 2nd disc.

Thas what I had to do for Two Towers and Hulk.

Is that whaat you do mostly?

galactica posted 2003 Nov 17 16:04

Nope ;)

im a fanatic about having a menu. and also scene selections.
so i do a disk copy, but usually more than 4.4. gigs, then replace all i dont want with text files, so the final size then is 4.4 gigs and all thats left is 1. the menu .vob and 2 all the movie .vobs

then the dvd plays just like a disk copy but it really a movie only copy with working menu.

thats what i do

patent10021 posted 2003 Nov 17 20:49

oh you sneaky devill wish I knew that !!!!!

I'll have to try it

so are you saying that I use

User Defined
Disk Copy mode
Constant

Then with ANY VOB files I DON'T want, I replace them with text files right? So you dont keep the extras from the 1st disk (with those large newer movies). You only keep the menu and main movie.

Right?

Peace

galactica posted 2003 Nov 17 21:40

yep.

tricky part is trying to figure out what to make the user defined.

i usually do it like this

1. get info on only the .vob's that are in the video_ts that are just the movie and the menu say for example its 5.8 gigs.
2. then i get info on the entire rip of the dvd. say for this example its 7.9 gigs

then i set up this equation

5.8 / 7.9 = 4.4 / x

solve for x and you have your userdefined value for size.
then you remove all the VTS_0x_01.vob (keeping the 00.vob's) and replace the ones you tossed with a empty text file thats got the same name as the ones you tossed.

does this make since?

patent10021 posted 2003 Nov 17 21:47

yeah it does make since.

The science of since

I will try it.

Now I'm pissed that I returned the BlockBuster videos lol

galactica posted 2003 Nov 17 23:01

patent10021 :

Now I'm pissed that I returned the BlockBuster videos lol

please dont say thats where your dvd's are coming from!!!!!!! :o

patent10021 posted 2003 Nov 17 23:43

I'm just joking of course...

Copying commercial DVD's is very illegal and frowned upon

:x

redcdn posted 2003 Nov 18 16:54

K. Ive done this before and it worked... and if it hadnt been for a weird fingerprint-like spot on the dvdr, it would have worked perfectly. Now when i try to burn a dvdrw i get this error in Toast 6.03:

"The drive reported an error:
Sense Key = HARDWARE ERROR
Sense Code = 0x3E, 0x02
TIMEOUT ON LOGICAL UNIT"

Is this my problem? Im using Memorex DVD-RW discs on one of the new 15" powerbooks (1.25ghz, superdrive) and its worked before. When i try to erase these discs (ive tried twice), i get a Media error that says:

"The drive reported an error:
Sense Key = MEDIUM ERROR
Sense Code = 0x51
ERASE FAILURE"

I may be sending my laptop in because of these white spots that are appearing on the screen, should I get them to check my drive while they are at it?

galactica posted 2003 Nov 18 18:37

"The drive reported an error:
Sense Key = HARDWARE ERROR
Sense Code = 0x3E, 0x02
TIMEOUT ON LOGICAL UNIT"

based on this alone I would have them look at the drive. especailly since you are sending it in for the screen.

patent10021 posted 2003 Nov 19 09:30

Matrix Reloaded...what an easy rip...

Total was only like 6.67GB to start off with. No deleting needed.

I thought it was going to be huge. I was also surprised to see not one trailer on the disc.

redcdn posted 2003 Nov 21 22:28

K. it looks like the problem was with the discs. damn memorex. Just got some verbatim discs and they work great.

galactica posted 2003 Nov 23 16:59

sounds about right, some disks are just not worth getting, those being one of them

dwarf_nebula posted 2003 Nov 24 22:54

Galactica. Thanks for your help. I've had relatives invade and so unable to respond. It turns out that the dvd played on my 17" Powerbook but not in my 4 year old powermac G4 tower. I guess the dvd player does not support RW disks. The video quality on the 17" is quite grainy. Is that normal? Is there a way to improve the quality? Also, what media do you recommend? Thanks.

DN

galactica posted 2003 Nov 25 19:32

dwarf_nebula :

The video quality on the 17" is quite grainy. Is that normal? Is there a way to improve the quality? Also, what media do you recommend? Thanks.

DN

1. quality is no matter how you do it, the thing is how much?
- movie only will be higher quality
- disk copy will be lower than movie only

constant mode is better quality than variable

2. an app called dvdremaster gives great quality but takes a really long time at its highest setting. took more than 24 hours! It essentially reencodes the movie down to the 4.4 gigs.

Media:
Its totally up to you. I like TDK 2x General. Also used, and liked, Verbatim and Imation. Cheap disks I found to be the best of cheap would be Ritek G03

old-man posted 2003 Dec 02 22:15

OK Galactica, you’re the man, nice job! This was my first attempt and I was successful. Just a few quick observations and two questions:
• I started with DVD Backup 1.3 to decrypt my disc. BTW, this process seem to take forever on my 4.6 G disc.! Question, why DVD Backup over OSEx?

• Next up was DVD2oneX. Process was straight forward but you never mentioned that if you want to convert to a full disc, not just the film (movie), you need to get off the DEMO and buy the code. Well, $62 US dollars later I started the process. This too took what seemed to be forever again. Question, the setting for ratio, what is the difference between constant and variable?

• Now onto Toast 6.0.3. Here your help was invaluable! BTW, all this fuss about adding a AUDIO_TS file. DVD2oneX already does this and my VIDEO_TS folder had no .DS or invisible files. The process took 12 minutes on my G5 super drive using a Verbatim DVD-R, 4X blank disc. Final question., is it necessary to verify a video disc in Toast after burning? This process took twice as long as it took to burn the disc!!!
Thanks.

galactica posted 2003 Dec 02 23:29

old-man :

just my app of choice is all. You can use osex but personally i find it to be SLOWER!!!!! How long exactly did it take? for a commercial dvd5 it takes me 10 min to rip it off the dvd to the HD. my drive has a 16xdvd read speed so keep that in mind when comparint to the drive in the G5 (which i believe is 12x)

• Next up was DVD2oneX. Process was straight forward but you never mentioned that if you want to convert to a full disc, not just the film (movie), you need to get off the DEMO and buy the code. Well, $62 US dollars later I started the process. This too took what seemed to be forever again. Question, the setting for ratio, what is the difference between constant and variable?

HA i thought the demo only did first 15 or so min no matter what option you chose! its always understood when apps are talked about that they are the full installed registered versions. Sorry it wasnt clear.

speed on this part will be your choice of ratio as you noted.
Variable is faster and lower quality
Constant is slower and higher quality

variable on my machine is 15 min
constant on my mavchine is 25 min

what are your times exactly! i would think the G5 would be faster than this! mine is Dual G4 1.25 Ghz.

• Now onto Toast 6.0.3. Here your help was invaluable! BTW, all this fuss about adding a AUDIO_TS file. DVD2oneX already does this and my VIDEO_TS folder had no .DS or invisible files. The process took 12 minutes on my G5 super drive using a Verbatim DVD-R, 4X blank disc. Final question., is it necessary to verify a video disc in Toast after burning? This process took twice as long as it took to burn the disc!!!
Thanks.

1. dvd2one didnt use to add the folder for you, only newer version of the app does.
2. not allways will you have .ds_store. I thikn it says IF you have it, remove it. 12 min is great, thats a 4x burn.
again im confused about the speeds - can you do it again and time it!

also if you can, get the model number of your superdrive, so you or i can look up the read speed of the dvd rom aspect of that drive.
part of the problem with having only 1 drive and having it be a superdrive is typically the dvd-rom speed is slower than if you have 2 drives, where one was superdrive and another was something like a dvd-rom only or a combo drive *(cd bunrer/dvd rom) like i have.

old-man posted 2003 Dec 03 21:01

Thanks Galactica for the quick and informative response to my post.

With the exception of timing Toast rip for 12 minutes, I didn’t time the other phases. I’ll do that on the next run.

I’m using a 1.8 Ghz G5 machine which might be slower than your dual 1.25 Ghz. According to Toast, my internal superdrive is a Sony DVD RW-U10A

What about my question about verifying in Toast after burning. Is it really necessary and unlike audio discs, DVD verification takes FOREVER!

Thanks. ……Old-man

galactica posted 2003 Dec 03 21:07

Write Speed:
- DVD-R: 1X, 2X, 4X max
- DVD-RW: 1X, 2X max
- DVD+R: 2.4X, 4X max
- DVD+RW: 2.4X, 4X max
- CD-R: 4X, 12X, 16X, 24X Z-CLV max.
- CD-RW: 4X, 10X, 16X max.

* Read Speed: DVD-ROM: 8X max. CD-ROM: 32X max.
* Random Access Time: 200ms (DVD 8X); 160ms (CD 32X).
* Sustained Data Transfer Rate: 11.4 MB/s (8X DVD-ROM).
* Interface: ATAPI EIDE.
* Buffer Memory: 8MB, Buffer Under-run Protection Technology.

Here's a little info i pulled on yoru drive. Note your DVD-ROM read speed of only 8x max! thats one big difference as i said earlier.

now verification..... its something i only do with dvd-rw's and only when i care about them. personally i dont do the verification much . Like you said it takes time. If you really care and want to make sure the burn was proper, then i woudl verify *(like say on data dvd's)

does this answer your ?'s

old-man posted 2003 Dec 04 08:48

Galactica wrote:
" Here's a little info i pulled on yoru drive. Note your DVD-ROM read speed of only 8x max! thats one big difference as i said earlier. "

What faster external DVD/recorder do you recommend?

" now verification..... its something i only do with dvd-rw's and only when i care about them. personally i dont do the verification much . Like you said it takes time. If you really care and want to make sure the burn was proper, then i woudl verify *(like say on data dvd's)

does this answer your ?'s "

Thanks.

galactica posted 2003 Dec 04 11:00

in no way am i saying your drive is no good. All im saying is you can get drives that read faster for dvdr than that drive reads

typically dvd read speed has two levels
read speed of single layer disks
read speed of dual layer disks.

typically singer layer read speeds are faster, and dual layer read speeds are slower.

The only speed I found for your drive is 8x dvd-rom which is most likely single layer disks meaning dual layer disks (what most commercial dvd's are) would be even slower (hence the long time it takes to do the ripping on your machine.

I have several drives and like the pioneer DVR-106 but its just preference.

You could also get an external combo drive if you wanted which typically have faster dvd read speeds. just do some researching on yoru own if you want on dvd drives and pay attention to dvd read speed and more specifically dual layer vs single layer read speeds

old-man posted 2003 Dec 06 11:59

Ok Galactica, as requested, here is a breakdown of my burn times.

DVD size: 4.4 GB
Burned to Verbatim DVD-R 4X
Software & Equipment:
• Apple 1.8 GHz G5 with OS 10.3.1
• Internal factory Superdrive (Sony DVD RW DW-U10A)

DVD Backup-1.3 took 35 minutes
DVD2OneX (vs. 1.2.1) took 12 minutes
Toast 6.0.3 took 14 minutes (no buffer underrun, 4X, no verification)

Total: 1 hr.

Also, in my boredom, I read all the Read-Me’s. Two DVD Backup questions:

• It said that enabling the regional code (RCE) may not work if your Mac is a region coded Mac and went on to list firmware sites to correct this. How do you know if your Mac is region coded (short of flying out to the west coast with your burned disc) and have you or know anyone who used the firmware update?
• It further said you can go directly to Toast and burn thus eliminating DVD2oneX or saving 12 minutes. Assuming a standard size disc etc., what gives?

Thanks, .... old-man

galactica posted 2003 Dec 06 19:12

old-man :

• It said that enabling the regional code (RCE) may not work if your Mac is a region coded Mac and went on to list firmware sites to correct this. How do you know if your Mac is region coded (short of flying out to the west coast with your burned disc) and have you or know anyone who used the firmware update?

Interesting... i would assume they mean when you set the region code of the dvd drive?!?!?! Perhaps thats why ripping on my 2nd drive is faster than my 1st, because i didnt set the region code on that one because i use my other to play dvd's. you only have one, so the very first time you ever played a dvd it asked for your region, and said you can change it 5 times.... remember that?!

• It further said you can go directly to Toast and burn thus eliminating DVD2oneX or saving 12 minutes. Assuming a standard size disc etc., what gives?

Correct!!!! if your dvd is already less than 4.4 gigs there is NO need to dvd2one it. dvd2one is only for when your ripped dvd is MORE than 4.4 gigs. so if you have a dvd rip thats less than 4.4 gigs just skip dvd2one and burn directly.

hey 1 hour is nothing man!!!!! i remember when vcd's use to take 24+ hours to make!! VCD'S!!!!!!
again, the only way to increase your speed would be to get a new drive... and that would only drop your dvdbackup time.......

old-man posted 2003 Dec 07 11:04

Galactia wrote

" Interesting... i would assume they mean when you set the region code of the dvd drive?!?!?! Perhaps thats why ripping on my 2nd drive is faster than my 1st, because i didnt set the region code on that one because i use my other to play dvd's. you only have one, so the very first time you ever played a dvd it asked for your region, and said you can change it 5 times.... remember that?! "

I vaguely do. I seem to remember I had to select a region. It wasn’t an option. Maybe I didn’t have to. Point is, I apparently have a region coded Mac but it didn’t stop Apple DVD player from playing my region free copy. I wonder if my DVD copy will have an effect on other DVD players. Has anybody you know raise this as a problem and suggest just dis-enabling region free in DVD Backup to play it safe?

Quote
"Correct!!!! if your dvd is already less than 4.4 gigs there is NO need to dvd2one it. dvd2one is only for when your ripped dvd is MORE than 4.4 gigs. so if you have a DVD rip that’s less than 4.4 gigs just skip dvd2one and burn directly."

OK Galactia, now I’m going to show what a newbie I am and how ignorant I am in video.

I just started copying DVD’s and I only needed to copy 4.4 GB discs or less. I know commercial DVD movies are up to 9 GB on dual layer DVD-9 discs and I’m recording on a single layer DVD-5 disc. So I conclude in order to get the job done the video needs to be compressed or recorded onto to multiple copies, right?

So here are my questions:
• Is there a tutorial like the one you wrote that guides you through the process of copying larger than 4.4 GB DVD’s? I imagine it’s more than just setting USER DEFINED to the larger DVD size and all the other steps are the same.
• How much visual quality do you loose with compressed disc copies?
• When do you think dual layer DVD recorders will be available?
• Finally, it’s annoying that there are a myriad of PC only software (copy DVD pro, DVD Wizard pro etc.) out there that apparently does it all for less than the price of DVD2OneX and no all-in-one DVD copy programs for the Mac. Oh well, there just ain’t enough of us to make it worthwhile!

Thanks in advance for your time on answering this newbie’s questions.

……. Old-man

galactica posted 2003 Dec 07 12:52

:o
The tutorial I wrote on my website IS FOR DVD's LARGER THAN 4.4 GB!
im totally lost here...

1. there are commercial dvd's that are less than 4.4 gigs. they do not require dvd2one at all! just dvdbackup and burn
2. there are commercial dvd's that are MORE than 4.4 gigs (the majority) and these DO require dvd2one. so you backup, dvd2one and burn.

now.... quality wise, its been covered A LOT!!!!!!!!!!
movie only - higher quality
disk copy - less higher quality
variable - less quality than constant
constant - more quality than variable

now per the "all inclusive" im happy there is none for mac. these processes are VERY easy, and to have an all inlucive app just means that people who dont like to run 3 apps are happy.

personally, i have more freedom in choosing what i want to do when its a stepwise process. i have seen the likes of the PC all inclusive apps and if you ask me they suck!

all my PC friends are amazed how i can get exact copies of dvd's that look 10x better than thiers and dont have DVDXCOPY warnings ;)

as far as dual layer disks... who knows eventually they will come out. thing is they will probably cost more than just buying the dvd again to have a 2nd copy. eventually it will go down in price. i remember when a blank dvdr was 19 dollars a disk!!! ahahhahah
and look where we are now. you can get cheap ones for less than a dollar a disk...

old-man posted 2003 Dec 07 18:37

Galactica,
Thanks again for taking the time to answer me.

Now, I finally get it!!! The size in USER DEFINED is the final, desired compressed size of your backup and not the actual size of the original disc your trying to copy duh…… and your steps are for ALL size discs (however for discs below 4.4 GB’s you don’t need DVD2OneX just DVD Backup).

Boy am I dumb !!!!! Grrrrrrrr.

Thanks, …… old-man

galactica posted 2003 Dec 07 21:34

no worries.... everyone starts at basic knowledge and works their way up.

sounds like your getting a grasp on it now ;)

tzippy posted 2003 Dec 11 13:35

galactica :

8. Open microwave popcorn bag, place in microwave, push POPCORN and let it pop.
--Galactica

please...dont tell you got microwaves with a button for "popcorn" in the US....?!!

galactica posted 2003 Dec 11 15:00

sorry? what do you mean by that?

microwaves in us have a POPCORN button that is set to perfectly pop a bag of popcorn .

this has been around for YEARS!

tzippy posted 2003 Dec 11 15:03

really? maybe its because our microwave is ten years old by now.... Are there more buttons?

galactica posted 2003 Dec 11 15:16

this is only SLIGHTLY pertaining to the topic.... but yes

i have
1. popcorn
2. oatmeal
3. beverages
4. fresh vegetables
5. frozen vegetables
6 soup
7. frozen entres
8 rice
9. defrost
10. reheat serving

then all the regular numbers, start, end/clear

tzippy posted 2003 Dec 11 15:18

hoep mine will break soon so i can get a new one...
okay now, back to the topic

qshartle posted 2004 Jan 14 23:28

sledgehammer+microwave=reason to get new one :)

Q

dabaron posted 2004 Jan 15 21:20

The tutorial for burning DVD to Toast was a big help, thanks!

In one post, the comment was made that once they understood how to edit the video ts files, the trailers and extras could be eliminated. I've read through the glossary terms to understand the contents of the ts files, but only found the term vob. I don't want to delete any files until I understand what they are.

If there is a post that explains what all the files are, and how to determine what I can safely delet, I'd appreciate it. If not I'd like to know how.

I ripped one DVD, compressed it and tried to do a copy, not movie only. The compressed file was approx. 4.45 gb. When I tried to toast it, I got the message there wasn't enough room on the DVD to copy. I assume there need to be resource files on the disc, which would take up room. Are there any ways to do a better compression when you want all of the features included?

Thanks for the help.

galactica posted 2004 Jan 16 06:45

2 things
1. if you want to "remove trailers" and such and keep the menu, you must use the advanced tutorial on my website.
2. hades can do this also if your total movie only part is under 4.4 gigs but you wont get the menu

3. it being too big can be the result of
a. not using 4444 under user defined
b. your media needing dvd2one to be set slightly less than 4444 to say 4400
c. you not setting toast 6 to DATA for dvd-rom and using the VIDEO tab

make since?

dabaron posted 2004 Jan 16 11:52

Galactica

Excellent, thank you!

Went to the advanced tutorial on your site, glanced over it and seems to have just what I need. I understand your procedure to color code the files, but currently I have two files that have gone through DVD backup, processed through DVD2One. What I don't see is the last column to the right - 'kind'. Does that get knocked out when processed through DVD2One? I've just installed OS X 1.3 and feeling my way around with a new system, but I still should be able to see file descriptions. I can only assume I've lost that due to processing through DVD2One.

I did a copy, DVD Backup, DVD2One, then deleted the larger file.

Once I saw the tutorial and screen shot, it's easy to understand the contents.

Thanks again.

galactica posted 2004 Jan 16 12:05

those are just columns, it has nothting to do with it being gone, i just moved it!

kind is not important.
what is is for you to watch the .vob's in VLC and color code them youself.

and hopefully it was a typo and you installed OSX 10.3 not 1.3 ;)

make since?!

dabaron posted 2004 Jan 16 12:27

OK, makes sense.

In the finder under view, I didn't have 'list' checked so it wasn't giving file description, size, etc. But after running through DVD backup and DVD2one, those files are all listed now as simply 'document', I understand I need to color code them myself.

And yes, it's OSX 10.3. That was a typo. No secret new beta systems out there, at least not here.

Onto popcorn, that's easy.

Thanks!

galactica posted 2004 Jan 16 15:36

interesting. i didnt not know they change classification from movie fi