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How to convert srt/sub/ssa to SON/SCR for "Final Cut Pro" on Mac

mriddler posted 2009 Apr 15 05:41
Hi all,
I have an Arabic (right to left language) subtitle, I have it in SRT format, SUB/IDX format and SSA format. I want it in either SON (The Sonic Solutions bitmap-based format) format or SCR (The Daiken-Comtec Laboratories Scenarist bitmap-based format) format. I tried MaestroSBT to convert ssa to son (with TIFF images) but it hangs when I check the "right to left language" box. Any other tools can be useful?
So now you know that I could generate the SON file with TIFF sequence but it comes disordered due to language specifications.

Subtitles need to be used in "Final Cut Pro" on Mac, I need them to be provided in a format which we can drop onto a project in final cut

Please help ASAP...

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[SOLVED] This post worked with me thanks to Midzuki:
http://forum.videohelp.com/topic366834.html#1959557



jman98 posted 2009 Apr 15 10:19
Subtitles Creator
http://www.soft14.com/Multimedia_and_Productivity/DVD_tools/Subti ... eview.html
(NOTE: This is NOT the same program as Subtitle Creator - no "s" after "Subtitle")
can convert SRT files to Scenarist compatible subtitles. I have used it many times for this. It will definitely work with Latin and Cyrillic based SRT files. Perhaps it will work for your Arabic subtitles too.



mriddler posted 2009 Apr 15 16:11
jman98 :
Subtitles Creator
http://www.soft14.com/Multimedia_and_Productivity/DVD_tools/Subti ... eview.html
(NOTE: This is NOT the same program as Subtitle Creator - no "s" after "Subtitle")
can convert SRT files to Scenarist compatible subtitles. I have used it many times for this. It will definitely work with Latin and Cyrillic based SRT files. Perhaps it will work for your Arabic subtitles too.
It didn't work :( :(
Blank images!! I tried all Bitmap Image Formats...



Midzuki posted 2009 Apr 15 17:23
I presume MaestroSBT works better when fed with Unicode-written subtitles.
Anyway, would you mind uploading a copy of your subs?
So we could try to work on them.

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mriddler posted 2009 Apr 16 05:34
Midzuki :
... Unicode-written subtitles.

Thanks Midzuki for the tip but it didn't work neither :(

Midzuki :
Anyway, would you mind uploading a copy of your subs?

I wouldn't mind at all..

Here is one subtitle and a screen shot to my settings too...
Attached ZIP File:
|__Original SRT File.srt
|__Produced with SubtitleW Workshop.ssa
|__Unicoded SSA file.ssa

sub.zip

After opening the file I set Timing properties (Ctrl + T) In and Out to 25 FPS, then the Rendering properties (Ctrl + R) like this:


And I edit the Style (Ctrl + Y) to be:



Midzuki posted 2009 Apr 16 10:41
OK, I think I have figured out how to fix your Unicode .SSA :) ,
but before going ahead, :

mriddler :
Hi all,
I have an Arabic (right to left language) subtitle, I have it in SRT format, SUB/IDX format and SSA format. I want it in either SON (The Sonic Solutions bitmap-based format) format or SCR (The Daiken-Comtec Laboratories Scenarist bitmap-based format) format. I tried MaestroSBT to convert ssa to son (with TIFF images) but it hangs when I check the "right to left language" box.


could you please explain, why would you need TIFF files especifically ???
and perhaps more importantly, why the 320x240 resolution :?:
Cannot be for SVCD/DVD authoring, AFAIK,
and not-worth-the-effort for a common hardsubbing. :scratch:

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mriddler posted 2009 Apr 16 12:30
Midzuki :
OK, I think I have figured out how to fix your Unicode .SSA :) ,

Thanks in advance..

Midzuki :
why would you need TIFF files especifically ???

Any image-format would be suitable; Bitmap, TIFF, JPG, ... etc

Midzuki :
and perhaps more importantly, why the 320x240 resolution :?:

I wanted it to fit my videos, But only one hour ago, I could get the original resolution of the video file: 1024×720 ;)
Now I guess I answered all your questions... Waiting for your answers :)



Midzuki posted 2009 Apr 16 12:45
If you intend to convert your video to DVD-compliant MPEG files,
then you'll have to accept the "official" resolution, 720x480 or 720x576.
Besides, not all applications accept "any file format" as a valid input. :)

Or am I still missing anything relevant :?:
For the time being, I will assume you want subtitles for a 4:3 NTSC DVD,
later you may tweak the modified SSA file as needed.

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mriddler posted 2009 Apr 16 14:38
Midzuki :
you'll have to accept the "official" resolution

OK, no problem
I need the subtitles in this format to be inserted into some DVD application that only accepts these formats.
Waiting for your tips



Midzuki posted 2009 Apr 16 16:28
So be it :P
First of all, edit the "raw" SSA header generated by Subtitle Workshop:

:
[Script Info]
ScriptType: v4.00
Collisions: Normal
PlayResX: 640
PlayResY: 480

Timer: 100.0000

[V4 Styles]
Format: Name, Fontname, Fontsize, PrimaryColour, SecondaryColour, TertiaryColour, BackColour, Bold, Italic, BorderStyle, Outline, Shadow, Alignment, MarginL, MarginR, MarginV, AlphaLevel, Encoding
Style: Default,Arial Unicode MS,20,16777215,16777215,16777215,12632256,-1,0,1,1,1,6,32,32,312,0,1


Second step, configure MaestroSBT for dealing with Unicode text:




Below is the .son file and its bitmaps:

arabic-subtitles.cab


P.S.: Forget the "R2L Language" checkbox,
it makes MaestroSBT crash. :x

%%%



mriddler posted 2009 Apr 17 07:52
Midzuki :
P.S.: Forget the "R2L Language" checkbox, it makes MaestroSBT crash. :x %%%


Thanks Midzuki for your effort, But here's a little problem you weren't aware of (as you don't know Arabic): Words are reversed.
It's like; instead of writing "I have to do this" the program wrote "this do to have I"!!
That's why I want to check this button.. It tells the program that the language is Right-to-Left (Arabic), but it keeps crashing :( :(
Any ideas?

P.S.: letters are reversed too in the BMP you sent!! I think that's because your machine doesn't support Arabic.

I will modify my post now to reflect this:
"Subtitles need to be used in "Final Cut Pro" on Mac, I need them to be provided in a format which we can drop onto a project in final cut"



Midzuki posted 2009 Apr 17 08:26
:
P.S.: letters are reversed too in the BMP you sent!! I think that's because your machine doesn't support Arabic.


No, it's because I assumed (stupid me, of course) the Arabic-written lines
already were Right-To-Left. Gonna try once more. The problem comes from
MaestroSBT itself, not from "my machine". :idea:

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Midzuki posted 2009 Apr 17 10:17
Is this the right way to do it :?:

? ? ?




Midzuki posted 2009 Apr 17 13:21
Or maybe this one:




Midzuki posted 2009 Apr 17 19:38
Before anything else:

many many thanks to jman98,
for making me know that "Subtitles.exe" exists. :thumbs_up: :star: :star: :star: :star:

@ mriddler:

the pic on the post above was created from a BlankClip .AVS,
subbed with DirectVobSub. The pic on this post was generated by Subtitles Creator:




mriddler posted 2009 Apr 19 15:41
Midzuki :
Is this the right way to do it :?:


No, this is wrong.

Midzuki :
Or maybe this one:


But this is RIGHT :idea:

Midzuki :
Before anything else:
the pic on the post above was created from a BlankClip .AVS,
subbed with DirectVobSub. The pic on this post was generated by Subtitles Creator:



So, how to do one like this? or the one above?



Midzuki posted 2009 Apr 19 17:33
This way:



OR by opening a custom BlankClip Avisynth script in VirtualDub:

:
LoadPlugin("C:\CODEXDIR\Gabest\VSFilter.dll")
BlankClip(width=640, height=480, fps=25.000, length=3000, color=$0000cc)
TextSub("4VDub.ssa")




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mriddler posted 2009 Apr 25 20:09
Thanks alot Midzuki, this one worked for me....

Midzuki :
This way:






Sir Doyle posted 2009 Nov 03 07:08
Hi..

I have .son , .scr and .slt .. but how i can import these files into final cut?




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