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| How to backup and add new subtitles to a DVD | ||
| Paddington posted 2004 Jan 07 07:01 | ||
| When I create a backup of a DVD, or when I make my own DVDs from AVI files, I sometimes want to include additional subtitles in another language, while keeping the original menu and other extras. Although I could find many tips or principal approaches about how to do it, it wasn’t so easy to find a dummy’s guide, so I wrote it myself. There are probably many alternatives, but this one works for me. However, if somebody knows of a way to do it quicker, I would be very interested.
What do you need (see www.doom9.org or www.dvdrhelp.com): DVDshrink (release 3.0 beta 5) Subtitle workshop (to synchronise subtitles and convert them to SupRip *.srt format) Srt2sup (to convert *.srt files to *.sup subtitle streams) VobEdit 0.6b (to demux DVD *.vob files to movie and audio streams) IFOEdit (to put video, audio, and subtitles back together again) Optionally TMPGEnc and BeSweet (the first to demultiplex an avi-file to MPEG-2 m2v and mp2, the second to convert the audio from 44.1 to 48kHz sampling frequency) DVD burning software At least 9Gb available on your HD The main steps are explained below: 
1. Copy the original DVD to your hard disk using DVD Shrink (see Figure 1). a) Open disc b) Deselect everything you don’t need. As shown in the figure, here I tried to keep the original menu, which might work in some cases, but probably not in all. If you want to be certain, re-author the DVD and only drag the main movie title to the new window. Furthermore, in this new window, I only keep the original audio file, and th esubtitles I want. DVD Shrink automatically determines how much he needs to compress the movie in order to fit on a DVD+R. c) In order to keep room for the new subtitles, my last step is to set the movie’s compression ratio manually to 1% below the automatic setting. d) Backup DVD 
Figure 1. DVD Shrink is used to extract the DVD to the HD. 2. Convert subtitles to SubRip (*.srt) format using Subtitle workshop (see Figure 2) While DVDshrink is creating a backup of my DVD, I download a subtitle and convert it using subtitle workshop to SubRip format. Note the input and output frame rate settings (2a). Knowing the length of my DVD (from its box), I can check the time of the last subtitle to see whether it was in NTSC or PAL (2c). Finally, save it as SubRip. Further note that I first had some trouble to see the special characters correctly (2b+d): I had to use the Central European font in this tool, but I also needed to change my general computer settings (Control panel/Regional settings/Advanced/Non-unicode language/ to Romanian). Subtitle workshop also allows you to synchronize your subtitles while viewing the movie (see Movie menu). In principal, for a DVD it shouldn’t be necessary, but if you are using an avi file, where the opening scenes have been shortened, do the following. Go to the first dialogue in the movie and press ALT-F. Then, go the last dialogue and press ALT-L. Now, synchronize using CTRL-B. Alternatively, if the first or last dialogue are not there, you can do the same for other subtitles, but now using CTRL-1 and CTRL-2. If this still doesn’t work, maybe the subtitles are based on a slightly different DVD, for example an American DVD where some juicy scenes have been removed. 
Figure 2. Subtitle workshop allows you to synchronize your subtitles with the movie, and to convert many different formats to SubRip format. 3. Convert subtitles (*.srt) to a bitmap stream (*.sup) using SRT2SUP (see Figure 3). a) Open *.srt file b) Select Settings/Global settings and change the color and font that you want to use for your subtitles. For example, use a black transparent background, white letters, a silver outline (or set it to 0) and silver anti-aliasing. c) Select ‘All’ subtitles d) Save the sup file – this can take some time. e) Write down the IFO color settings (you need this later while using IfoEdit) Note that Srt2sup has a documented memory leak of 10kb per line, so after generating your *.sup file, close down the program. 
Figure 3. Srt2Sup converts your subtitles to a 4 color-coded bitmap stream, which can be multiplexed with the DVD's video and audio streams. 4. Demultiplex original DVD VOB files using VobEdit (see Figure 4) By this time, DVDshrink will probably be ready, and you have a set of IFO (InFOrmation), BUP (BackUP copies of IFO), and VOB (Video OBject) files on your hard disk. The largest IFO contains the movie. a) Start VobEdit, and open the DVDshrink movie (*.VOB) file. It has the same name as the largest IFO file (4c). b) Demux the VOB: as you already have selected everything in DVDshrink that you want to keep, you can demux all video (*.m2v), audio (*.ac3), and subtitles (*.sup) to a new location on your HD (4a+b). c) Optionally, if the original film was an avi-film that you converted to MPEG-2 and demultiplexed into an m2v and mp2 file using TMPGEnc, you may need to change the sampling frequency of the audio file from 44.1kHz to 48kHz using BeSweet in order to remain compatible with the DVD format. In that case, you might also need to change the extension of the audio file to m2a, so IfoEdit can see the file. 
Figure 4. VobEdit is used to demultiplex the DVD's VOB (Video Object) files, i.e. to split them in separate video (*.mv2), audio (*.ac3) and subtitles (*.sup) files. 5. Author new DVD using IfoEdit (see Figure 5) a) Start IfoEdit and open IFO file of movie (same file as in step 4) b) Save cell times under the tools menu (tells you where a chapter begins) and CLOSE IfoEdit c) Start IfoEdit again and select menu item DVD Author/Author new DVD (this has to be the first thing that you do in IfoEdit, else this item is not available). d) Select the files created by VobEdit: first the m2v, then all audio files (you may have to change the extension to something that IfoEdit can read), finally all subtitles, including the one you created in step 3. e) Set the corresponding languages of all subtitles f) Load the cell times (previously saved in step 5b) for the chapters. g) Save the new VOB – this one containing your new subtitle! Note: If you don’t have a lot of free space on your HD, you can now delete the original VOB files used in step 4 (don’t delete the IFO file with the same name). h) Copy the subtitle color from the original IFO to the new IFO: open the original IFO (see Figure 6, h1), select VTS_PGC_1 (h2), and go to the subtitle color menu (h3): copy color info. Now, open the new IFO (h1), go to the same location (h2), and paste the color info. Save the IFO again (h4). Note: Depending on the color settings in srt2sup, you now have good color settings for the original subtitles, but maybe not for your own. I haven’t figured out a solution to this yet. You can change the color settings in srt2sup and try again (I tried several settings, and tested them all at the same time). Or you can manually enter the color info from SRT2SUP, generated at the end of the conversion (see Figure 3e), and enter the hexadecimal values in your IFO file (see Figure 6). Now, however, probably only your subs are OK, and the originals are lousy (in which case you might decide to leave them out: the perfectionist would convert the originals SUPs to text, e.g. by using SupRip, and back to SUP again using SRT2SUP, so all color settings are the same). In case you forgot to write down the color values, start SRT2SUP and use the Settings menu to show the colors again. i) Move the new IFO, BUP and VOBs back to the original location (where DVD Shrink wrote its output). 
Figure 5. IfoEdit allows you to create new DVDs using its authoring tool: several video, audio, and subtitle streams can be multiplexed together to create new DVD VOB files. 
Figure 6. IfoEdit also allows you to copy the original subtitle colors from the original DVD IFO (Information) file, i.e. the file that was originally ripped by DVD Shrink, to your own IFO file. Or you can set them manually (scroll down in the lower window – only the first 4 colors must be set). 6. Test the output and write to an empty DVD Using a DVD player (e.g. Nero ShowTime) that can play from the hard disk, you can already inspect whether the DVD you authored was correct. If you are satisfied, burn the files to a DVD (in the VIDEO_TS folder). In case that you maintained the original menu, you might have some troubles playing the movie (maybe there are some missing references in the new IFO file to the menu or video_ts.ifo file). In that case, try again, but now without the original menu. A bit unsatisfactorily, I realize, but I don’t know another solution (yet). Comments or feedback can be sent to: Erik_Vullings@yahoo.com | ||
| Paco M. posted 2004 Jan 10 15:37 | ||
| Baldrick,
Congratulations for your nice guide. I hope more friendly tools to appear in future (at least I would like it for easier authoring of my audio compilations in DVD) Paco | ||
| Baldrick posted 2004 Jan 11 08:22 | ||
Congrat erik vullings instead...I just posted it for him. More easier tools will appear in the future...for example an easy gui/frontend with subtitle support for dvdauthor 0.6(freee). | ||
| cornelius posted 2004 Jan 11 12:29 | ||
| Thanks for the guide, it is great.
But what about NTSC movies? How to auhtor with IfoEdit? | ||
| srt2sup posted 2004 Jan 11 16:52 | ||
| Hi <<<WARNING for advanced users only>>>
If you are having colour problems when adding a new set of subtitles to an existing DVD then I have a workaround! You can move the colours that your SUP file uses by patching the SUP file. By default it uses colours 0,1,2 and 3 in the IFO file. If you HEX edit the SUP file and search for 03,32,10,04(hex) and replace them with say 03,fe,dc,04(hex) You will make the SUP file use colours 12,13,14 and 15 in the IFO file. Remember to set these colours up in the IFO file after you have copied the colours from the original movie! I am working on a tool that will assist with this process. Regards Srt2Sup | ||
| balrog posted 2004 Jan 14 14:48 | ||
| I´m newbie here, but I think that a found a new solution to subtitle color
problem. The Srt2sup program always creat a background box in subtitle and doens´t match the original subtitle color. I´m using DVDSupTools to creat subtitles. With this program you can extract, from original subtitle, generated in demux process, all information about the original color. And, so, use this information to create your new subtitle with same color as original. And without the background problem. In this way, you can use the same ifo files that come with original movie. Now a question: I´m using this guide to add brazilian subtitle to fellowship movie. It´s NTSC. In hte original movie your lenght is 1:45... minutes. But the lenght of the movie after step 5 in your guide is 1:24.... What is the problem? | ||
| srt2sup posted 2004 Jan 16 10:03 | ||
| Hi All,
I have created the app I mentioned earlier. You can get is at: http://www.shipleys.eclipse.co.uk/supremap.htm I have not tested it with SUP files not created by Srt2Sup. In addition I now know the problem Srt2Sup has with transparency. The workaround has been published before, but I was not sure of why it worked. The way to fix transparency is not to have transparent elements (like background) the same as non transparent elements. The safest thing is to have all elements [background][outline][text] & [antialias] as different colours! regards Srt2Sup | ||
| sunmanking posted 2004 Jan 20 20:21 | ||
| hi,
i find your guide of a high quality. however, i miss that seemingly there is no possibility for some personal authoring. i mean stuff like creating my own menus and using them together with the video i've just created (with the new subs). does anyone happen to know how to do it? so far, the video (.vob etc.) can be burn with no authoring at all (so i guess you play the dvd into the dvd player and the video is played straightforward), or with the menus from the original dvd (wich are liable not to work as they should). does anyone know how to "edit" those menus from the original dvd so as to make them work properly? good research! congratulations! sunmanking | ||
| srt2sup posted 2004 Jan 20 22:34 | ||
| Hi,
To do what you are asking requireds a DVD authoring program like Ulead DVD Workshop, Pinnacle Studio (we all have a favorite) etc. I am sure if you know what to do in detail you could produce and edit menus and stuff with freeware tools like IfoEdit, but it is just far too complicated! Public information on VOB and IFO file structure is very rare because this is controlled by the MPEG & DVD forums and required you to purchase the information. Using the process and tools above may not be the simplest way, but is is the cheapest! Regards Srt2Sup | ||
| Paddington posted 2004 Jan 21 06:15 | ||
| Hi srt2sup,
Thanks for making our lives easier with the SupRemap tool - I'm very interested in testing it! I have been experimenting with the subtitle color mapping using XVI32 (http://www.chmaas.handshake.de/delphi/freeware/xvi32/xvi32.htm), a really great and free hex editor, which allows you to do the same. However, even before testing your remapping tool, could you implement Balrog's suggestion for a new feature: So would it be possible to extend your tool to read an original SUP (while demuxing with VobEdit, you probably have them anyways), get their color and transparency settings, and automatically apply it to the srt2sup SUP file. In that way, there will be no more IfoEdit color editing necessary, and our subtitles will look even more like the originals. Regards, Paddington | ||
| srt2sup posted 2004 Jan 21 06:43 | ||
| Hi,
A couple of things: 1) The tool I created does not do a hex search it follows the SUP file structure (this is why it might only work with Srt2Sup files). 2) I have looked in the past at being able to edit the colours in a IFO file. The problem is that this is a very complicated file structure tha has optional components as well as a varying number of components. This makes it virtually impossible to navigate without a file spec. I might be willing to add features to SupRemap to help with colour selection, but the editing of the IFO file will have to be left to IfoEdit! Regards Srt2Sup | ||
| Paddington posted 2004 Jan 21 09:14 | ||
| Hi srt2sup,
Sorry if I didn't express myself clearly. I understand that you do not want to read the IFO file, but I asked whether you could read the SUP file, which also contains a control sequence containing an 0x03 xx xx 04 FF F0 code. So you already know which colors the original SUP uses for the subtitles. The only thing you don't know is what represents the background, foreground, outline and anti-aliasing. One solution would be to use IfoEdit to manually type in the YCbCr color settings or to ask IfoEdit's maker for a piece of code that grabs the color settings. Another possibility is to convert the SUP to a bitmap (see SubRip's sources on the web), and determine what code is used for background, etc. Or even without creating a bitmap, you can probably determine by the color values in the RLE code that the background is most dominant, followed by foreground, outline, anti-alias. What do you think? | ||
| srt2sup posted 2004 Jan 22 12:46 | ||
| Hi,
Right so lets get back to the problem statement rather than the solution statement! Is should be possible to remap the SUP files created by Srt2Sup to use the colours of the original DVD? So to do that you need to tell SupRemap what colour numbers to use from the IFO pallet and you want an easy way of deciding from looking at the original subtitles what colour is where in the Pallet? What if I added a method on SubRemap that allows you to enter the 16x3 hex values from the IFO pallet and it converted them to "real" colours in the tool. You would then know what colour matched what number and use these to remap the SUP file. Would this solve the problem statement? Regards Srt2Sup | ||
| Paddington posted 2004 Jan 23 05:54 | ||
| Hi,
I like it that you repose the original problem statement, which is correct! Your suggested solution would allow us to select subtitle colors from a set of 16 (IFO-defined) colors. In IfoEdit, we would only have to copy the color palette after the re-authoring process to the new IFO, and that's it. So this would definitely solve our problem! (Maybe a nice feature would be if we couldn't choose the same color for transparent/non transparent settings, to avoid the problem you described before!). Naturally, this would mean that we would have to type in 16 colors, while we will only be using four. Although not a real problem, I am still convinced that it should be possible to use the original SUP file - how hard can it be to find the 03 xx xx 04 xx xx settings in a binary file. And only copy the colors you need. A good inbetween solution would be that you implement the solution you described, letting the user decide which colors to fill in manually (so (s)he can check the SUP file himself, see what colors he needs, without the need to copy all). Or, for the less advanced user, after typing each color code, you could display the color, so the user can stop when he feels that the colors he needs have been defined! Regards, Paddington [/b] | ||
| srt2sup posted 2004 Jan 29 16:05 | ||
| Hi,
I have added a2.00 of SupRemap to my site. This version has a very simple IFOedit hex to colour mapper. Which means that you can copy & paste all 16x3 hex values from the IFO file and SupRemap will convert them into real colours. I am still thinking about looking at navigating the original VOB/SUP file to find out what pallet values are used. I can't do a Hex search because there is no guarantee that the 04 record will follow the 03 record and anyway a large binary based file like a VOB/SUP file is bound to have that in the data. I am going to add a render ability (like in Srt2Sup) this will help me in recreating Srt2Sup and let you match what the subtitles shoule look like on the DVD. Regards Srt2Sup | ||
| Paddington posted 2004 Jan 30 04:08 | ||
| Hi srt2sup,
With respect to the IFO color table info: look at the code published by SubRip. They have released their sources to the public, and Unit6.pas contains the code to extract the IFO colors (see code excerpt 1). With respect to reading the SUP, I did a hex replacement using a hex editor, but I took a longer string, e.g. 03 xx xx 04 yy yy 05, which is more likely to be unique. Nice to hear that you will be creating a new version of SRT2SUP! I started coding this week too, as I wanted to learn C#. I must say, it is a very nice language, and I just finished the front end, reading the subtitles file, displaying them. Now comes the tricky part of encoding the SUP (also here, SubRip contains some description of the RLE. And Sam Hocevar, from the freeware DVD player, has a description of the control sequences). BTW How do you create an font with an outline in a different color? Do you write the text twice (first outline, then foreground), or is is a special option? I will let you know when I have tested your remapping utility. Cheers, Erik Code excerpt 1 (from Unit6.pas). //VTS_PGC_1 DVD Color Palette Fic.Seek($CC, soBeginning); // Go to address 0xCC from beginning Fic.Read(Buf4By, 4); // read PGC offset in a 4byte buffer Fic.Seek(2048 * Get4By + $0C, soBeginning); // Move to beginning of PGC - Get4By gets 4 bytes in buffer, but in reverse order (big-little endian conversion) Fic.Read(Buf4By, 4); //PGC_1 begin Fic.Seek(Get4By - $10 + $A4, soCurrent); for I := 0 to 15 do begin Fic.Read(Buf4By, 4); //PGC_1 Palette; 0 Y Cr Cb Buf4By[1] := Round((Buf4By[1] - 16) * 255 / 219); //YUV2BGR taken from VobSub to have the same results (differs to http://www.webartz.com/fourcc/) Form1.Process.Palette[I] := { $01 shl 24 +} Round(Min(Max(Buf4By[1] + 1.7710 * (Buf4By[3] - 128), 0), 255)) shl 16 + //B Round(Min(Max(Buf4By[1] - 0.3456 * (Buf4By[2] - 128) - 0.7145 * (Buf4By[3] - 128), 0), 255)) shl 8 + //G Round(Min(Max(Buf4By[1] + 1.4022 * (Buf4By[2] - 128), 0), 255)); //R end; | ||
| Paddington posted 2004 Jan 31 10:09 | ||
| Hi srt2sup,
Some feedback on your remapping tool: - It still contains a bug (not all subtitle packages are converted - you skip some) - Instead of an "apply to all" button, you could include it in the save (the first time, I forgot to use it, and save the original). For the rest, it's OK. :-) | ||
| USiT posted 2004 Feb 01 09:24 | ||
| hmm i dont know if im just dumb or just that i dont understand the subtitle part of this guide. I have download a subtitle in srt format and wene i convert it to SUP the sync dosnt work, like it did whene the subtitle was in srt format. What do i wrong? I follow this guide as it is writen. | ||
| Paddington posted 2004 Feb 01 13:35 | ||
| Synchronizing can be hard: if the original SRT files were correct (you can check it by listening to the movie, or by ripping (SubRip) the original subtitles and comparing them), you might have the wrong settings in srt2sup (e.g. NTSC instead of PAL in the settings menu). Please check... | ||
| USiT posted 2004 Feb 02 09:22 | ||
| it was like i said im dumb :)
I did fix it. But now i have another problem instead. The first subtitle is green and the other 2 on the movie is as they should be. Im using this settings. Color 1: 10 80 80 Color 2: 10 80 80 Color 3: 10 80 80 Color 4: EB 80 80 Im using IFOEdit to write this in manually. What do i wrong? | ||
| Paddington posted 2004 Feb 02 10:28 | ||
| And did you also save the IFO (just asking?)
Otherwise, try to use different colors (as you can read above, srt2sup suggests that there might be a problem when you use the same colors for transparent and non-transparent text. | ||
| USiT posted 2004 Feb 03 12:41 | ||
| :evil: *#"#"&#¤"& <--- alot of bad words
I cant get the subtitle color right on the one that i created. What can be the problem. Its like this. I have created the swedish sub myself and i still want to keep the english original. The one i have in swedish is in srt so i startup SRT2SUP and convert the srt to sup. Using this colors: Background: Black (trans) Outline: Black (trans) Text: White AntiAlias: Silver NTSC: Marked What do i wrong. I did open my SUP file w/ SupRemap and did check the nr and they didnt match with the original SUP so i did change them and negative it didnt work. I really dont no what i do wrong. Now i trying it again and this time im planing to change the original SUP nr to the swedish one. | ||
| srt2sup posted 2004 Feb 03 23:43 | ||
| Hi Paddington,
Does the subtitle count match the number of subtitles you expect? I pre-parse the file using the subtitle offsets and count the subtitles while I do this! The reason for the Apply button is that I intended to allow you to apply to all or just a selection (for a future date!) Also is it a2.00 you are using and does the colour mapping work? Regards Srt2Sup | ||
| srt2sup posted 2004 Feb 04 16:32 | ||
| Hi Again,
I have updated SupRemap again to a3.00! You can now open an IFO file and see the colour pallet it uses! (Thanks for the Paddington code snippet) www.shipleys.eclipse.co.uk I have not found the problem with is skipping subtitles and mor information would help! Regards Srt2Sup | ||
| USiT posted 2004 Feb 06 01:16 | ||
| weeeeeee (almost)
Hello I now know what i did wrong before. I did replace the *.ifo and *.bup files that i created in step 5. Why did i do that? Because wene i did replace the org ifo and bup w/ the one i did created in step 5 the movie only played the first vob (that was a Warning screen) after that PowerDVD stopped play, and wene i did replace my .ifo and .bup with the org .ifo and .bup the movie works perfekt. It plays the movie, it shows the menu and stuff, but then the addad subtitle color is wrong. | ||
| Paddington posted 2004 Feb 06 04:14 | ||
| Hi USiT,
To have the correct colors, use the supremap tool from srt2sup (see above) and translate your sup colors to the ones used in the original IFO. Cheers, Paddington | ||
| Realness posted 2004 Feb 07 16:42 | ||
| hello,
i'm still having probs with supremap skipping lines. When i remux with ifoedit almost half of the subtitles don't appear. When i import the sup file processed by supremap back in srt2sup i see after every other line or so, this message: 07/02/2004 22:03:12 Record - 1067 07/02/2004 22:03:12 FoundHeader - [SP] 07/02/2004 22:03:12 PTS = 528399000 07/02/2004 22:03:12 Parse Cmd = 1 07/02/2004 22:03:12 ERROR - Illegal Control Command !!! 07/02/2004 22:03:12 Deleted !!! And when it's finished importing, the total of the lines don't match up with the original srt. Anyone having the same problem? | ||
| johnnyusa posted 2004 Feb 08 07:32 | ||
| I have the same problem.. i manage to import SUP files processed by Subremap but when i watch the movie .. some subtitles does not appear .. or appear in strange colour and damages the other lines in subtitle.:evil:
Well done Srt2Sup for the great work .. but if u can fix that problem too .. we're all be VERY VERY HAPPY ! :D P.S.: i 'll wait for future version . | ||
| srt2sup posted 2004 Feb 13 15:38 | ||
| Hi,
I have rewritten SupRemap and it now allows the editing of colours in an IFO file and parsing VOB files to see what colours are used by subtitles. This new version is a4.04 and should not suffer from the skipping problem. www.shipleys.eclipse.co.uk Please email me directly if you find a bug, then I can get it fixed as soon as possible! P.S. Can't fix bugs in Srt2Sup until I recreate the application! Regards Srt2Sup | ||
| johnnyusa posted 2004 Feb 13 16:42 | ||
The website is not workin' :x | ||
| srt2sup posted 2004 Feb 14 02:01 | ||
| Hi,
My yes website is down >:-( My ISP assures me they are working on it! If anybody would like to host my files as well let me know! Regards Srt2Sup | ||
| srt2sup posted 2004 Feb 22 13:47 | ||
| Hi,
It appears the ISP has fixed it! www.shipleys.eclipse.co.uk Regards Srt2Sup | ||
| johnnyusa posted 2004 Feb 22 14:00 | ||
| It's working now thanks srt2sup .. and no bugs 8) | ||
| USiT posted 2004 Feb 24 05:07 | ||
| :( :( :(
Plz i cant get it right. Why? i use this settings i srt2sup: 
This sup is a orginal sup used in the orginal movie. I did demux it using VobEdit and then load it into SupRemap and also load the orginal ifo file. 
This sup is the one i did created using srt2sup. I did load it into SupRemap and changed the numbers (still using the orginal ifo file). 
This is how my subs is showed in PowerDVD... 
... and this is how the original is showed. 
The both are one the same dvd. I havent changed dvd w/ captured the pictures. How does it comes that the org. sup is correct but not the ones that i create? Plz help me USiT | ||
| Realness posted 2004 Feb 24 10:01 | ||
| Gandalf(srt2sup),
finally had time to test the new supremap. Wonderfull man, works like a charm as far i can see no bugs any more no more skipping lines.Good Job. Now the only problem that resides is how to author back NTSC Movies. Because ifoedit can't handle NTSC that well.PAL works great though. This has been a known problem for a few months now.As far as i know there hasn't been an author tool that 100% can handle NTSC movies out yet.Maestro would be the only option left, but then i have to replace all the subtitles because it can't handle remapped sup files. I did try ReJig, looks promising but still buggy in author mode. @ USiT I would suggest in srt2sup: Backgnd: Silver (trans) Outline: Black Text: White Alias: Black | ||
| srt2sup posted 2004 Feb 25 11:31 | ||
| Hi USiT,
The image you showed and the snapshots from SupRemap are matching! I can fix this for you in words (see later) however if you complete the 3rd part of SupRemap and parse a VOB file from the original DVD this will show you that your SUP and VOB do not match and this is why your subtitles are different! Once you have parsed a VOB file you can remap the SUP file to match it or you could change the SUP file settings, but your subtitles in the VOB file will then be incorrect! To make your subtitles match the original use: Background : red : 0 Outline : black : 15 Text : white : 15 AnitAlias : silver : 15 Also when your create the SUP file you MUST NOT have the background and the text colour the same in Srt2Sup otherwise you will fall foul of transparent text (please see my homepage)! Regards Srt2Sup | ||
| USiT posted 2004 Feb 25 12:05 | ||
| thx alot srt2sup and Realness.
It works greate now... almost I did copy the files that IFOEdit did create after renaming them to the correct movie name. The structur was in a way so that the movie was on VTS_05_**.vob and so on. W/ playing in PowerDVD the movie works greate and the subtitles does show greate but wene burning it and play it on the dvd the problem starts. He plays 2 seconds of the movie then he stops until u press the Next chapter button, then he plays 2 seconds and stops. But the subtitles are fine. What can be the problem? USiT I will not give up until i have make this work 100% and as you haved figure im a n00b on this. | ||
| srt2sup posted 2004 Feb 25 13:51 | ||
| Hi,
I am afraid this is beyond my knowledge, the only possible idea from me is the good old media quality! Have you used this media before without problems? This is the only idea I have! Regards Srt2Sup | ||
| kazik1 posted 2004 Feb 25 19:41 | ||
| Can anybody tell me how to sync avi to subtitles *.txt (microDVD) from 23.97 to 30 fps. I want to convert them to *.sup file and create DVD. I have been looking for other guides but non of them works for me. I'm using Subtitle Workshop and SubtitleTool with no luck.
Thanks | ||
| johnnyusa posted 2004 Feb 26 04:26 | ||
| kaz , Subtitle Workshop is the way .. for me is very useful. | ||
| mazinz posted 2004 Feb 26 18:53 | ||
| Srt2Sup,
I just wanted to say THANK YOU for SUBREmap!!!!! I was having a subtitle problem (im not relisting it here, but this was the post) http://www.dvdrhelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=826486#826486 and then later on i was doing some searches and found this one. Well i dl'ed SUBREmap and i basically ended up copying the RGB color numbers that maestro was giving me for the 2 subtitle tracks i was working on. And now thanks to your program i have both subtitles in both of their original colors (one was yellow, the other was white). THANKS AGAIN I was using subrip for my subs. I took the ifo file form Maestro and opened it in your program and worked with it that way | ||
| srt2sup posted 2004 Feb 28 06:37 | ||
| Hi,
Thanks for your praise! I have put a donations link on my web page for anybody who would like to contribute to the next version of Srt2Sup which will include SupRemap capability and much much more! www.shipleys.eclipse.co.uk Regards Srt2Sup | ||
| USiT posted 2004 Feb 29 06:57 | ||
| :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I want to thanks my mom and dad for this Oscar. Finaly i think i have found the problem w/ freezing movies. Thanks Google. After searching in Google i did find this in Doom9 homepage. Doom9 The problem seems to be that IFOedit dosnt support NTSC movies, and because of that the movie freezes for about some seconds w/ a subtitle is showed. In the topic they are saing that using ReJig the problem should be fixed. I will trie it out and let you now. Hold your thumbs for me. //USiT | ||
| srt2sup posted 2004 Feb 29 09:10 | ||
| Hi,
You could try using ReJig instead of IFOEdit, however some people have reported that Srt2Sup .SUP files do not work in ReJig! Regards Srt2Sup | ||
| USiT posted 2004 Mar 01 12:53 | ||
| Hmm
Any idé on how DVDSupTools works? Is there any GUI? Im a totaly newbie at this. | ||
| dbasulto posted 2004 Mar 06 17:37 | ||
| UTi, i have similar problems...
i followed this guide, and thanks to your posts and srt2sup help i managed to get the rigth colors on my movie, even with the original menu. it played fine from my HD, so i decided to burn it. once i played it on my standalone player, the subs only appeared twice at the start of the movie, only showed when in slow motion and i had skips between chapters. I still cant figure out why, will try with a different media monday. | ||
| USiT posted 2004 Mar 10 07:52 | ||
IFOedit dosnt support NTSC vidoes (taken from the doom9 forum). If you are going to use a NTSC video you have to use ReJig. Take a loock at this link | ||
| dbasulto posted 2004 Mar 10 12:17 | ||
| i did:
1.- copied dvd to hd with dvddecrypter 2.- vobedit to demux all files 3.- add the subs already converted to sup format and with the rigth colors using srt2sup and supremap 4.- remux with rejig (using the m2v, ac2, sup and celltimes files) 5.- take the new vobs and place them on the original files folder, overwriting existing ones....(keeping original ifos-bups and original menu vobs)... 6.- burned to a dvd i did all of this, but i get "chapter" problems, i press next on my dvd player or reach the end of the chapter i get back to the begining of the chapter...in a continuous loop any ideas on what i'm doing wrong? | ||
| USiT posted 2004 Mar 11 03:41 | ||
I dont know if this is the answer but. Did you selecte the right format in the CellTime list? If you are using a NTSC CellTime file you have to select NTSC. | ||
| dbasulto posted 2004 Mar 11 06:13 | ||
| yes, i did select NTSC
today i tried again, and did something i saw on doom9 forums:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=2cae212c2f7711fa683916f2d ... genumber=2 now, only the first chapter gets stuck! all the rest play fine i must be getting closer... ;) | ||
| BarteS posted 2004 Mar 17 02:26 | ||
| I hope somebody is able to help me with the problem I'm facing:
-I converted my sub using srt2sup -I used IfoEdit and I multiplexed/authored the DVD. Everything is looking fine, but when I play it on a standalone DVD player, the sub is moving a little up and down, so hard to read. The movie itself is steady. It happens while the sub is displayed, even when I press pause when the sub is on screen, it shakes, and the video is just paused and calm. The movie is Pal (25fps) so IfoEdit should be able to handle the file.. Please help, what should I do? | ||
| dbasulto posted 2004 Mar 21 16:42 | ||
| ok, i 've been doing everything all over and over again, and im getting at this point:
when i play the movie, it gets stuck after a few seconds of playing the MAIN movie. if i skip to the next chapter, and rewind to the start of the frst one, it's all ok. the subtitles show ok through all the movie, except for this "hang" while playing the first chapter. i think that it could be something .ifo related? it even corssed my mind that it could be this particular movie that's having trouble (Spun) , so i'll try with another one.... any help would be appreciated :) | ||
| dbasulto posted 2004 Mar 22 06:21 | ||
| i've done this all over and over again, and im still getting "freeze" while playing the first few seconds of chapter 1 (then it skips all of a sudden to chapter 2), but being able to rewind from chapter 2 and it plays ok...with all menus and susb working fine.
when i demuxed, and then remuxed, the movie had one subtitle file, which i REPLACED with the one on my language... could it be that the problem? because if i kept the original one, and added mine on the remuxed, it goes ok but i cant choose my newly added subs. i tried to increase the "number of sub-picture streams in VTSM" with ifoedit under VTSI_MAT, but still no work :/ any further ideas? | ||
| Anyone_xx posted 2004 Mar 26 06:27 | ||
| Hello everyone.
Trying to fix this subject with ReJig 0,5, but it seems I probably do something wrong. When I start to multiplex movie, sound and sup-files, everything seems to be ok. But: First the vob-files becomes very big, over 3,5 GB. Why not 4 vobfiles? When it´s all finished, the vobfiles gets very small.... Pls help /Anyone | ||
| Chris872 posted 2004 Apr 03 08:28 | ||
| Hello :)
Can anyone tell me if there's a way to improve the quality of the subtitles when using srt2sup ? Although the size of the original sup files on a DVD and the sup files created by srt2sup are the same, the quality of the sup files created by srt2sup is lower. The subtitles don't look very smooth, but readable. The settings I use are: Background = Silver Outline = Black -> 2 Text = White AntiAlias = Black Font = Arial Font style = Regular Size = 15 The quality of the subtitles on the picture in the guide look very good, but that's not the way I get them. The 'u' looks more like this: 
It doesn't matter whether I watch the movie on the tv or on the computer. Thanks :) | ||
| srt2sup posted 2004 Apr 06 16:25 | ||
| Hi,
The rendering engine I am using in windows seems to give these poor results. Using a good quality font and the Antialias in a4.03 does help. I am looking into other rendering engines for my next version. Srt2Sup | ||
| Zocky posted 2004 Apr 07 00:52 | ||
| This is my first reply to this forum so...
YOU ARE ALL LOSING THE POINT OF THIS TOPIC. :evil: The original topic was `How to add subtitles to the original DVD` and this became the SRT2SUP forum. Please, GET BACK to the point. :!: Now, after a lot of wasted time I realised that there is almost NO WAY to add a homemade subtitle to the original DVD (keeping the original menus and extras). 99 percent of the DVD`s will then ACT A FOOL. Just try to enter the menu and select a original subtitle... and lose any chance to select your own... Tried to replace English subtitle with my own (even renamed it in the demuxed sub as the original) in order to select it from the menu... NO WAY... Finally, I gave up. So, my DVD`s have ONLY video&audio&mySUB and they play as autorun. This was not so easy to accomplish, so I decided to share my trick with You guys. Video&Audio... no heck... but subtitles... In order to get the colours You selected, COPY the color palette from the original IFO, paste it to yours, and then ADD the hexadecimal code for the first 4 colours manually. This trick helped me, and for the first time had the colour settings I wanted. So, get back to the original topic. Is there any new tool that may help us KEEP THE ENTIRE ORIGINAL DVD with our homemade subtitle. | ||
| srt2sup posted 2004 Apr 10 16:12 | ||
| Hi,
A much easier was of setting subtitle colours than all this copying and hex editing colours is to use my SupRemap tool. www.shipleys.eclipse.co.uk Regards Srt2Sup | ||
| Zocky posted 2004 Apr 11 03:26 | ||
| Thanks for your reply, that is the sign this forum still lives, but...
I tried Supremap but got confused somwhere in the middle of the job... Nevermind, we all have `easier` way to do something... aren`t we. Still no answer to my question `How to add subtitles to the original DVD`s?` :?: New tools :?: Grrrrrrrr :cry: | ||
| srt2sup posted 2004 Apr 11 06:11 | ||
| Hi,
Not quite sure here, did you get confused or did SupRemap get confused (ie a bug!)? If you got confused, explain the problem and I will have a go at helping! If SupRemap got confused then explain the circumstances and I will look into it! Regards Srt2Sup | ||
| jbourne posted 2004 Apr 23 14:55 | ||
| Hi Paddington excellent guide!!!
It helped me a lot to learn a few things and I thought I should share my experiences with you and the guys. I was trying to add Spanish subtitles to Timeline R1 NTSC DVD. The thing was that I wanted to keep the built-in English subtitles it came with. And the quality resulting from srt2sup subtitles was kinda low (no ofense srt2sup, just expressing my insight as a user)also the transparencys issues were dissapointing, so I thought there had to be another way. A post in this very topic let me know of DVDSupTools. I have to say that I was really pleased with the results, first it was way faster than srt2sup, but the font quality is equal to the comercial dvds. Ok, so far so good, no there are a couple of things I didn't like about DVDSupTools. First the my charset was not fully supported for example the ñ letter was displayed differently. The other disadvantege is the lack of a GUI, in counterpart with our friend srt2sup who made a great job on that. Oh by the way Supremap is really cool :D. (To anyone interested DVDSupTools homepage ) Also I would like to know if there is a way to extract the menus from a dvd to be able to add them to a re-authored dvd with my own subtitles.(yeah, I know I'm a newbie... but please bare with me :? ) Cheers. Jason Bourne. | ||
| bigofir2 posted 2004 Apr 28 07:59 | ||
| I made all the steps currectly but why the audio isn't syncronise like the begining with the video? the audio came after the video like about 3 sec.
What's the problem guys ? | ||
| wongnog posted 2004 Jun 10 19:38 | ||
| can anyone tell me a good font and color setting for srt2sup so that they more properly emulate that found in the original DVD? I used the default Arial at 20 pts and tried to pick a color scheme that had yellow lettering with black border, but the results look less than desirable. I'd appreciate it if someone could give me some precise steps on which options to choose. Thanks! | ||
| fibola posted 2004 Jul 22 08:16 | ||
| hi,
i used the guide till the end and i have sub color problem , i copy the sub color from the orignal ifo and paste them and it didnt work. then i tried to enter the value i got from workshop and it didnt work, then i saw something about that supremap i didnt realy understood how to work with here , but from what i saw i choose a color and it tell me the value in ifo and then to enter them in ifoedit , if this is right it didnt work for me either. it did change them a bit but the text color is transparent ,i tried to change it but without any success. at the pgc i have color 0-15 so maybe there is the problem although i tried to change everyone value . please help me . thanx | ||
| frontwing posted 2004 Sep 01 05:12 | ||
| Tried to add Dutch subtitles to a downloaded dvr.
Found subs for it,checked in sub.workshop if it was in sync,it was. Followed ur guide,before burning tested the image in Powerdvd and yes I managed to replace the French subs that wer in the movie into the Dutch subs,showed up in there,no synchprobs and good subcolors. then burned on a dvd and played it on my standalone,the Dutch subs were coming and going,the other languages that I kept were running ok. What I do wrong,anyone else had the same problem? Thanks in advance. | ||
| MackemX posted 2004 Sep 13 12:23 | ||
| what was the latest verison of supremap?
cheers | ||
| semi posted 2004 Sep 29 05:12 | ||
| Hi!
I got this problem with 'British PAL' movies. When I add subs to them with srt2sup the subs flicker on my jvc xv n5 player. I did use the PAL option in srt2sup. It only happens with movies from England. Nordic and American is no problem. Anyone? | ||
| mikkaa posted 2004 Oct 17 05:00 | ||
| I have two problems. after adding subs to a movie the audio and subs are good, but the video is not adjusted with the audio.
And why are the subs almost in the meddle of the screen? By the way, the video was made from avi (the original adjustment is good), and there was no subs in the dvd image. | ||
| majin_buu posted 2006 Dec 26 21:20 | ||
| This guide is for one video with one subtitle, but my DVD is five videos with subtitles for each one. VobEdit gives me one .sup file, so how do I convert five .srt files to .sup and combine them into a single .sup file??
Also, demux only gave me .vob video files. Shouldn't it "rescue" the original .mpv and .mpa files that were used to make the DVD? I thought I should be able to reauthor, if replacing the subtitles didn't work. I'm using DVD-Lab Pro 2, by the way. Edit: I found a method for getting .mpv and .mpa files, but still no luck on multiple subtitles for multiple videos on a single DVD. | ||
| Zoolander posted 2007 Apr 15 09:19 | ||
| Hi
I have downloaded the movie 300 and I have made it from avi to vob file. I put in subtitles English and Greek using Subtitle Workshop then Srt2Sup and I demultiplex it using VobEdit and then IFOEdit using the guide that you guys have posted on your site, I did everything your guide says. but when I play the movie some of the subtitles don’t show up. First they came out green but using DVDSubEdit I changed it to white, although all the subtitles appear in DVDSubEdit just fine, when I play the movie on a viewing program like WMP not all the subtitles show up. I also wrote it on a dvd using dvdshrink 3.2 thinking that it might just be a problem that that the programs have, I played it on in my dvd but still not all the subtitles show up. Do you guys have another program that can help me with my problem or am I stuck??? You are in breach of the forum rules and are being issued with a formal warning. / Moderator BJ_M | ||
| BJ_M posted 2007 Apr 15 16:15 | ||
no warez = please read rules of this forum - thank you | ||
| KneeGrow posted 2007 Aug 16 08:25 | ||
I'm sorry but this guide sucks. the picture is unlegible, can't read it, and Load the the times saved in step 5b??? LIKE HOW? Very frustrating, this is just for those who have use IfoEdit for years and years. sorry had to vent. | ||
| TheFilmBuff posted 2008 Aug 03 18:18 | ||
| Ok i have done a few of these now and it has been successful, however i have added subtitles to a certain dvd...when i demux it it is fine, i srt to sup as per usual....author it to put it back together plus the subs...
but when i play it on the dvd player (nero show thing) it freezes as the subs begin to stream? When i put the subtitles into the subtitle workshop previously with an avi copy of the film, it showed the film to be 23.. fps ...however i changed the subs to 25fps and saved as subrip since they seem to fit (where 30 does not)...you only have the choice between 25 and 30 in the srt2sup converter. Could this be what the problem is? That the frame rate isnt matching the film identically? Other than that i cannot see what i have done incorrectly...i have put the color codes from the srt2sup into the ifo edit as always... ALSO with ones i have successfully added subtitles to so far...the subtitles play perfectly on a dvd player, yet when i use my xbox to play the dvd (its my bedroom dvd player) it misses random subtitle lines out as though they never existed.. why is this and can i fix it? | ||
| awgie posted 2008 Oct 06 22:19 | ||
| With reference to the problem of the original menus not working (mentioned in steps 1 and 6 in the guide) when you only rip selected VOB's:
I have been using PgcEdit for some time now. It allows you to edit the existing menu buttons, add or delete menu buttons, create your own menus, and it can delete references to missing VTS files. I have used it in conjunction with IfoEdit and found my results to be quite satisfactory. |
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