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How to add your own subtitle to DVD (keep menu, multi-pgc)

bluedha posted 2005 Jul 31 19:54

How to add your own subtitle to DVD (keep menu, multi-episode, multi-pgc) There are already couple of verty good guides made by TheMatrixx and Paddington. But certain program always produced errors for me and I couldn't make it work. So I tried to find my own way to add a subtitle and I found it! If one of the above guides work for you great, but if not, there is still hope. This guide will let you add your own subtitle while keeping the menu structure and it's also compatible with multi-pgc DVDs. Tools you need: 1. Subtitle Workshop 2. Subtitle Tool 3. Subtitle Creator 4. DVDDecrypter 4. PGCDemux 5. Muxman 6. IFOEdit 7. VobBlanker 8. Software DVD player like PowerDVD for previews Note: You'll need a lot of hard disk space for this project, as you'll be keeping at least 3 versions of your DVD (probably 4). So I suggest creating 4 directories: "original", "demuxed", "remuxed", "reauthored" (I'll be referencing them in this guide). For multi-episode that's in separate .VOB's, create subfolers like "ep1", "ep2", etc. in "demuxed" foler and "remuxed" folder, and use the appropriate folder accordingly. The guide: 1. Run DVDDecrypter and in File mode, copy everything to the "original" directory. Alternatively, you can use DVDShrink. 2. Run PGCDemux. Click Input IFO's 'Browse' button and open the .IFO file that contains your main movie (usually VTS_01_0.IFO, but could be different). Make sure the domain is 'Titles' and that the length of the movie is correct. Note the PGC # shown here. This is the PGC you'll be working on later. Choose "demuxed" as your output directory. Check 'Demux video stream'. Click on 'Check A/V delay'. If the delay is anything other than '0 ms', write it down, as you'll need this info later. Click on 'Process!' to demuliplex. 3. a) Now if you downloaded your subtitle and it is not a .srt file, convert it to .srt using Subtitle Workshop. Just open it in Subtitle Workshop and save it as SubRip file. b) If your subtitle is in a different frame rate, then open it in Subtitle Tool and in Change speed tab, choose the template you want and click on Do it. c) Also while you are here, goto Check consistency tab and click on Check it! button. Make sure there is no error and all you get are the Info:> lines. 4. a) Run Subtitle Creator. Goto File->Open text subtitles and choose the subtitle you'd like to add. Goto File->Open IFO and choose the .IFO of the main movie. This will select the right color palette, video format, etc. Do the usual color/font selection and position adjustment. If you want to check if the subtitle will be in sync, goto Synchronize->Load original SUP and open the .sup file in the "demuxed" folder. Then you can compare the time of each line to make sure the subtitle is in sync. b) If you want to do a simple synchronization, then you can probably get away with linking the first line and the last line then clicking on Synchronize button. But I prefer to use Subtitle Workshop and use it to add/subtract delays. c) Remember that everytime you change your subtitle in any other program, you have to reload it in Subtitle Creator. If you joined more than two subtitles, make sure to check for the synchronization after the join points. If you can get the times difference of less than 300 ms, then you are good. d) If you think you have everything ready, then goto File->Save SUP as... and save it in the "demuxed" directory. If you are adding a subtitle to a 16:9 movie AND you want your movie to display subtitles correctly on both 4:3 TV and 16:9 TV, then you need to create two subtitle streams for each format. For 4:3, you don't have to change anything, save it as mysub_lb.sup (lb for letterbox). But for 16:9, change the X: ratio in Stretch in the right pane to .75, and save it as mysub_wide.sup. 5. Run MuxMan. Click on ... button and add your video, audio, and subtitles from the "demuxed" directory. Select ouput folder as "remuxed". If there were any audio delay, put it in here. If you want to keep the original subtitles, load them in the correct order (you can tell the order by the filename: Subpictures_20.sup is the first, Subpictures_21.sup is the second, and so on). If you created 2 streams for a subtitle, add the wide version first and click on wide button. Then for the next stream, add the letterbox version and click on LB button. Make sure that the languages of both streams are the same. If you have just 1 stream, load it and click on both LB and wide. Lastly, goto File->Import Chapter and open CellTimes.txt in the "demuxed" folder. Click on Start. If you get an error, you can try Rejig or IFOEdit to remux, but they can't combine letterbox and wide versions into one stream. 6. Play the generated file and check if the subtitle displays correctly and in sync. Don't worry about the colors, they will be in correct colors after it's been reauthored. At this point, if you don't want to keep the menu, you can just copy over the color palettes from the original .IFO and burn it. If you want to keep the menu, there are more work to be done. 7. Run VobBlanker. Click Browse of the Input Folder and open the VTS_TS.IFO from the "original" directory. Set output as "reauthored" directory. In the title set, choose the title set that contains your main movie. All the PGC's of that title set will be displayed in the lower table. Click on the main movie (usually PGC 1, but could be different) and click the Replace button. Choose the VTS_01_0.IFO from the "remuxed" directory. For multi-episodes, you need to do this for each episode/vob. Then click on PROCESS!!. A log window pops up to let you know what it is doing. After it's done, close the log and exit. 8. Play your file, if you have REPLACED one of the original subtitles to your own, then your subtitle will show under the language of the subtitle that you had replaced. If you have ADDED a new subtitle, then it won't show because the .IFO's don't know about the new subtitle stream. So you have to manually edit them. Backing up the .IFO's in "reauthored" folder would be a good idea here. 9. a) Run IFOEdit. Open the VTS_TS.IFO from the "remuxed" directory. Click on VMG_VTS_ATRT, in the lower window, scroll down to the VTS of the main movie (in my case, VTS_1). At the end you'll see the subtitle information. Note the number of sub-pictures. Double click on the newly added subtitle (in my case, Sub-picture stream 2), and note the hex numbers shown. b) Open the VTS_TS.IFO from the "reauthored" directory. Go to the same place and modify the values to match the information from remuxed video, by double clicking on the item you want to change. If the number of subtitles were reduced, you can zero out the removed subs. Click on Save button and answer yes when it asks to save .BUP file as well. c) Close and reopen IFOEdit. Open VTS_01_0.IFO from the "remuxed" folder. Click on VTSI_MAT, and in the lower window, scroll down to where subtitle information is shown. Note the properties of the newly added sub. Open the .IFO file that contains the main movie from the "reauthored" folder. Again, goto the same location and modify the values to match the one from "remuxed" by double clicking on the Sub-picture stream attributes. Make sure you also change the Number of sub-picture streams in VTSTT_VOBS to the correct number or your subtitle won't show up! d) In the upper window, click on the .IFO from the "remuxed" folder. Double click on VTS_PGCITI, then click on VTS_PGC_1. Scroll down to the subtitle information. Double click on your sub-picture's status. Press Ctrl+C to copy this value. Go back to the .IFO from the "original" folder, to the same location (PGC number might be different!). Double click the sub-picture's status and press Ctrl+V to paste the value. Again, you can put zero to the subtitles that have been removed. Save the file. Finally, play the file now to see if the new subtitle show up. It should show up and in correct color. 10. Burn it and enjoy! Sorry if this guide seems lacking. Ask questions in this thread and I'll try my best to answer them.

dogano posted 2005 Aug 07 08:44

İt's ok but can i've a quest. I've a dvd includes Eng.Ger.Ned.Por.Esp subtitles, i want to add turkish subtitle instead of spanish so can i display it as "turkish" on the subtitle choosing table when opening dvd.

bluedha posted 2005 Aug 11 00:24

All you have to do is open up the .ifo of the main movie in IfoEdit (after you have replaced a subtitle). You'll see the subtitle information as Subpicture 1, Subpicture 2, etc. There is a flag next to it representing the language of the stream. Double click on the one that has been replaced and change the language to the one you want.

GreyDeath posted 2005 Aug 18 14:01

Very Cool Guide Bluedha, I however didn't use it quite exactly how you intended. I used it to switch out an MPG-1 Layer 2 audio with a Dolby Digital AC3 file. My brother's player wouldn't play the MPG-1 audio without manually switching in the Setup. The problem is probably more on the part of his Home Theater setup than anything, but I was curious if it could be done. Your guide was very useful with the bits about PGCDemux, Muxman and VobBlanker. Thanks! One problem, and I don't want to really hijack your guide thread, but I've found with several programs (PGCDemux, DVD Maestro, Chapter Xtractor) that the Chapter Points are always skewed. Since I was reauthoring a Music Video disc, precise chapter points are a must. As the DVD plays, the chapters start later and later than their intended position. I've found (after hours of trial and error) that this is because the programs base their framerates at 30 fps instead of a truer 29.97! Who the eff of a programmer could miss something like that?? Anyways, I've found that I can take the Cell Times from PGCDemux and multiply them by .999 and the chapters land where I originally intended them to be. I used Excel to make a little calculator and just copied an pasted the results into another txt file. I haven't tried correcting the problem in Chapter Xtractor, but that's next on my list. :) Thanks again Bluedha for the help! :)

valescy posted 2005 Aug 23 03:06

excellent guide though i couldn;t make a dvd with the menus yet:) but i did without the menu and add subs quick and easy my questions is about the av delay you wrote in the guide to write it down and use it later but you are not refering in the guide where the delay is inserted?in the audio delay where the remuxed procedure with muxman? thanks

Mystiqq posted 2005 Aug 29 04:48

Step 9, using PGCedit. You can do the step 9 also inside PGCedit, also its little bit easier i think. I added new subtitle, and in my case PGCedit did work for me and result was identical IFO file to the one done by using IFOedit. Heres what i did: Load the "reauthored" DVD into PGCedit (im using version 0.6.0). In my case, i was editing one title on a episodic DVD disc. Find the title you added the subtitles to, mine was title number 1. Select it from the list on the left and right click to open the menu, choose "Edit PGC" to open the PGC editor. In the editor, go the top-right side of the window (sub-pictures streams box) and find the slot where you added the new subtitle, in my case i already had 2 subtitles before so the new one was added in the 3rd slot in the list. Press the the button to open the “subpic streams setup” window for selected slot. Here i choose the exact same as all the previous subtitles before it had, 4:3 and and stream number set to 2. Press Set button to set the current setup and then press OK in the PGC editor window. Next go to the Macros (top) and then select the “fix number of streams inVMGM/VTSI_MAT tables” located on the bottom of the menu. Next window should be “verify the number of streams” and if everything looks ok, press YES. Now, go back to the same title and open the PGC editor again. Now press the “Current domain streams attributes” button in the bottom-left corner. You should have now “streams attributes” window open and the new added subtitle, in my case subpic number 2, empty. Add the correct “country code” for that subtitle (en for “english” and so on) and press OK. Now you should have the exact same result of the IFO file(s) as you would by using IFOedit program.

tonemgub posted 2005 Sep 25 22:15

Thanks man! :) I've been experimenting with different guides to keep menus, etc but add eng subs for my Japanse kaiju DVDs. I came up with my own method which worked perfectly except the chapters feature would not work, but using your method (1-6 only as I just replaced the Japanese subs with eng subs) it worked perfectly the first time, I now have a 1 to 1 backup on dual layer media with eng subtitles. Thanks again!

Raganaut posted 2005 Sep 27 14:09

Hi, guide is good so far, but when I used Muxman to remux my movie, it gives me some kind of pop-up error that reads: Multiplex operation halted Largest GOP of 38 fields exceeds DVD specification of 36. Resulting DVD is non-standard. What's GOP and what happened? I tried playing it with PowerDVD in the remuxed folder and it works perfectly, except for font colours(which is to be expected). I followed the rest of your guide despite the error, and everything went smoothly. I even burned it and it plays okay on my stand-alone player. I somehow see no problems. But I have doubts and am a little nervous, so can someone explain to me what happened in Muxman and why it gave me that error. Thanks. Edit: Oh yeah, and I've tried remuxing it with Rejig too (since it's a NTSC dvd) but the video came out laggy. So so far the best multiplexer for me is Muxman. I've tried others, but I like this the best. :P So if anyone could help me out?

David007 posted 2005 Oct 12 12:04

Hello. This is not the answer, but it's the new question. I wonder, if there is any other program except Muxman, which can combine letterbox and wide versions into one stream. Thanks.

misschile posted 2005 Oct 16 19:54

Hi This is a great guideeeeeeeeee...i was looking for a guide which allow me to replace several episodes of a dvd keeping the menu!...Thanks bluedha!

remster_9 posted 2005 Nov 17 06:02

Nice thread. I basically managed to add new subtitles to a DVD I had; however, I cannot seem to synchronize the subtitles with the movie. I got the subtitle files in srt format online, then edited them to synchronize them with the movie by using Subtitle Workshop. After I created sub files from them and remuxed everything, they start off fine but end up completely out of sync (6 seconds differential on the last ones). I've also tried to synchronize them through Subtitle Creator by using the inner dvd synchronization module, to no avail. Once I open the remuxed DVD copy, they're out of sync, no matter what I do. It's driving me crazy! Any suggestions?

iting5 posted 2005 Dec 16 09:34

Hi, I Started using this guide and it went great until i got to SubtitleCreator... when i try to open my *.srt file i get an error... and it says that line 452 is too long... and i try cutting the line, now he says line 451 is too long... any ideas?

juhanes posted 2005 Dec 22 18:56

I had a same problem, then i just opened my subs in subtitle workshop and just save then. After then, everythink works normal. However, i have problem with some dvd's. Most dvds works for me fine, but some of them i am not able to open them properly in PgcDemux. I mean when i open my VTS_01_0.IFO, the lentgh of movie is only 1 minut or less, when i open other ifos, i am geting diffrents lentghs, like 4, 10, 14 minutes, but no full movie ifo. Why is that happening? And of course: very very nice guide!!!!

IronmonkY posted 2005 Dec 29 13:46

Thanks alot for this guide, it's by far the best guide out in my opinion

rotavio posted 2006 Jan 02 10:11

I'm trying to insert a new subtitle in a DVD using this guide, but each software I use to remux the vib has a different problem. It's a R1 Movie DVD, NTSC. When I use MuxMan, I get only the first chapter of the movie, about 4:45 minutes. When I use Rejig I get only few files, smaller than 1 MB!! How can I find out if the movie is 30 or 29,976 FPS? What am I doing wrong?

yair24 posted 2006 Jan 08 14:38

hi all i have a problem with SubtitleCreator i put subtitle and i have an error line.... i dont know what to do please help me! the movie is be cool(ntsc)

AnitaPeterson posted 2006 Jan 22 21:49

I have another problem. I have a DVD with only Swedish and Danish subtitles, and I wanted to replace the Swedish with English. In the step 4 of the guide, I followed the "express mode", choosing yellow as the text colour for the subtitles, with a yellow outline and no transparency. Since I wanted to keep the menus and all, and there was a simple subtitle replacement operation, when I reached Step 6 I stopped and previewed the resulting DVD in VLC Media player. Unfortunately, the subtitles show up as "empty" (transparent letters with only a bit of white outline)... I copied the characteristics from the original files, and pasted them in the new DVD, using IfoEdit, but I get the same results... Anyone here who can help?

NHUCUT13 posted 2006 Jan 31 22:44

Please help me, I can't run subtitlecreator although I reinstall my window xp and only install driver for VGA and driver motherboard meanwhile my friend can run easily on his PC .Absurbly that my PC is better. I can run every remain software you offer, only not with subtitlecreator Help me!!

djblizz posted 2006 Feb 01 10:03

In step 9d you refer to the "original" . But it must be the "Reauthored" folder :) I figured it out myself but some may have a bad result ;)

iting5 posted 2006 Feb 09 17:03

yair24 : hi all i have a problem with SubtitleCreator i put subtitle and i have an error line.... i dont know what to do please help me! the movie is be cool(ntsc) I Had the same problem, the solution is simple all you need to do is open SubtitlCreator and go to: "Settings"-->"While loading subtitles", now remove the V from "Remove[hearing impaired text]". Now try to load your subtitles... it should be fine now.

iting5 posted 2006 Feb 09 17:07

NHUCUT13 : Please help me, I can't run subtitlecreator although I reinstall my window xp and only install driver for VGA and driver motherboard meanwhile my friend can run easily on his PC .Absurbly that my PC is better. I can run every remain software you offer, only not with subtitlecreator Help me!! You need to install "Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1" to be able to use SubtitleCreator... you should search for it in Microsoft site its there and its free... if you cant find it, you can contact my on ICQ 122690073, and ill send it to you.

tbjerret posted 2006 Feb 10 03:03

Thanks for the guide. Its easy to use. However, in step 6 you write: "At this point, if you don't want to keep the menu, you can just copy over the color palettes from the original .IFO and burn it." I did succeed in copying over the color palettes, (I can see the codes change and then I save the result) but the subs are almost without color and sligtly red on the edges. Any ideas? Thanks again Troels

tmilind posted 2006 Feb 12 02:17

I used this guide and it very useful. However the Muxman version I use i.e. 0.15 standard version , it does not enable me to select subs for LB or Widescreen. The options are disabled. Are they enabled only in advanced versions?

manono posted 2006 Feb 12 02:38

Hi- You only choose LB and Wide when the video is encoded as 16:9. With 4:3 encoding you don't choose them. If your video is 16:9, open the M2V first. Then you choose a sub stream, and then after that you can choose LB and/or Wide.

naiera posted 2006 Feb 17 16:06

When I try to use Muxman to mux it all together it says it can't proceed because of excessive bitrate. Is there any way around this? Lowering the video quality is not an option and should not be necessary, seeing as what I'm trying to work with is of course from a normal DVD. The only thing I'm trying to do is add english subtitles to a japanese DVD.

wex posted 2006 Feb 17 17:42

This guide ROCKS !!! THNX bluedha :wink:

naiera posted 2006 Feb 20 12:30

There has to be something wrong with Muxman somehow. It won't accept yet another of my DVDs because of "excessive bitrate". Hasn't anyone else had this problem and perhaps found a way to get around it?

sfcausa posted 2006 Mar 08 14:14

Hello, I am new to all or any of this. I have some avi with chinese sub. how do i convert that avi with the chinese sub. i tried using avitodvd as conversion tool. it does not recognize the chinese sub. I also tried using dvixtodvd. Dvixtodvd software has an option for different sub. languages. It did not work either. any advise would be great. Thanks

Paddington posted 2006 Apr 26 03:38

Cool guide, Bluedha! Two suggestions: SubtitleCreator has a DVD wizard in the Tool menu, which uses PgcDemux and Muxman to create a new DVD with the new subtitle in one go, copying the original IFO color palette as well. However, you still need to do something with VobBlanker if you wish to keep the menu (the current option with BatchUpdateIFO doesn't really work). Edited 26-06-2006 My second suggestion is related to VobBlanker: the latest version has been improved a lot, and now it does allow you to copy the color palette, it fixes the VIDEO_TS and other IFO files, such that it is no longer necessary to use IfoEdit at all! An impressive achievement! Title PGCs in IFO section: Check Clear audio/subs status when blanking/stripping Replacing section: Check Fix elapsed time, copy PGC stream control, Copy VTS audio/subs.

sepehr_s posted 2006 May 27 12:49

I wanna watch a movie on Dvd but it doesn't have English Subtitle how can I watch that movie with english subtitle without shrinking or copying it to my hard drive ?

kschang posted 2006 May 27 14:42

sepehr_s : I wanna watch a movie on Dvd but it doesn't have English Subtitle how can I watch that movie with english subtitle without shrinking or copying it to my hard drive ? I am afraid the answer is "you don't".

REiGN posted 2006 May 29 13:38

Hello Bluedha & Paddington, I demuxed a dvd, following this guide, and am not able to get this dvd in particular working. The problem is that it works somehow with VBR(AC3 6channel) I think, because when I stripped the vobs with both PGCDemux & VobEdit, i get different starting times from the video & audio (PGCDemux says null delay). So I remuxed the dvd with MuxMan, both the one done by PGCDemux & the one done by VobEdit, that gave both the same result: Audio behind the video. So I did a "full procedure", thinking it could be in the IFO's something was wrong, but the problem stayed after the dvd was "merged" again with the menu's & the IFO mods. The new subs added however, seem to work perfectly in sync with the audio. So if somebody can help me out with this annoying time consuming problem. The weird thing is, that I did multiple dvds with this guide, and they all worked perfect. PS: Settings are all the same like your guide.

REiGN posted 2006 May 29 13:42

: I am afraid the answer is "you don't". :lol: ....You could always buy it with english subs ...or let somebody else do the De/Re-mux for you :P

gmichels posted 2006 Jun 04 14:29

Hi all I am following this guide and I am having some problems while remuxing the streams. MuxMan will complete the task without any errors, but the resulting VOBs have only one cell with a few minutes, instead of all cells and the entire movie. The size of the VOBs is the expected, only the navigation parameters seems wrong. Here are some screenshots from VobBlanker: Source VTS: Source cells: Remuxed VTS: Remuxed cells: The size difference for the remuxed VTS is because the original movie had 3 audios with 6 channels, so I just reencoded 2 audio streams to 2 channels to save space. I am using CellTimes.txt from PGCDemux. If I remux the streams without loading CellTimes.txt, then the resulting VOBs have the correct playing length, but whenever I add more cells, the problem appears. I also tried using ReJig, but it crashes by the end of the subpictures multiplexing process. Any ideas? Thanks

kayya posted 2006 Jun 13 10:58

Thanks, this guide is really good. I have a dvd which has 24 different language. But MuxMan has only 8 track for language input. Can i add or replace a new subtitle without losing them?

manono posted 2006 Jun 13 19:48

If you want more subtitle languages than 8, then you have to buy the Muxman Pro version (or whatever it's called). Otherwise, add your replacement sub, and choose 7 other languages you want. I believe that IFOEdit can author using all 24 of your languages.

kayya posted 2006 Jun 14 09:58

Thanks. One more thing is: I've gotten this warning from VobBlanker when i choose replacement file. Is it normal or will cause a problem about sound? Should i get rid of this warning? If yes, how?

manono posted 2006 Jun 14 10:47

Is it normal? Yes, I see it all the time. Will it cause a problem with the sound? Probably. You may not have any sound until you remap the audio. One way it's caused is that the original audio may have been the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th audio stream. When you author, that audio naturally becomes the 1st audio stream. It can easily be fixed using PGCEdit by Disabling whatever stream number the original audio was, and by Setting or turning on the 1st audio stream. And you're not gmichels from an earlier post who actually reencoded his 6 channel audio down to 2 channels, are you? I'm assuming you're using the original audio.

kayya posted 2006 Jun 14 11:11

:) Many thanks, i'll try it. I'm not gmichels and yes, i'm using the original audio. Btw: I've authored and played it. Then i've seen that it seems no problem with the audio. Windows Media Player and my standalone dvd player can play the movie with sound :) But i'll try reauthor without any warning to make a perfect disk.

manono posted 2006 Jun 14 18:36

Oh, so it works? Then I wouldn't worry about the warning. All it's doing is changing the number of channels listed in the IFO. Maybe it was incorrect originally, and VobBlanker fixed it.

Paddington posted 2006 Jun 27 03:24

sepehr_s : I wanna watch a movie on Dvd but it doesn't have English Subtitle how can I watch that movie with english subtitle without shrinking or copying it to my hard drive ? The new version of SubtitleCreator v2.0.1RC1 requires the .NET framework, but it allows you to do just that: Manusse has implemented a DirectShow filter that SC can use to put a subtitle file on top of a running DVD. Really cool, so please check it out. In addition, more related to this thread, using VobBlanker, MuxMan and PgcDemux, I can now automate the whole process of adding subtitles using the DVD Authoring Wizard in SubtitleCreator.

ih8win posted 2006 Jul 08 11:25

a small question.. is it possible to edit the image in menu/subtitle? i have English, Spanish, French.. so i wanna add Arabic subtitle instead of one of the three languages, but change it also in the menu to look like: English, Spanish, Arabic. that should include image editing.. but is ti possible to reach that menu image, edit it, save it in the same place of the old one? thanx

manono posted 2006 Jul 08 13:08

Hi- This guide will walk you through doing what you want: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=555936#post555936 I've used it many times with success. I've read that you can do the same thing more easily using DVDRemake Pro, but I don't know. The editing part isn't explained. but I'll assume you can do it on your own.

ih8win posted 2006 Jul 23 03:00

hi, i have worked this guide and it did work perfect with me... until.. i reached to "Annapolis".. it doesnt show the numper of Audio Delay.. just shows the audio and as cutted.. so i cant see the number.. though in other DVD's it shows fine... i have noth NTSC and PAL original DVD's and they do the same... and, today, i've got "Eight Below".. and its the same also, doesnt show the numbers for Audio deplay, so when i finish the movie, there a big difference between the Audio and the video.. any one had this problem??

ih8win posted 2006 Aug 09 08:38

hi again... i guess every one now knows how to add subtitle and keep the menu, so maybe no one get to this page and read whats new.. but i hope theres some who still email watching this topic... so.. heres my question... i just got Final Destination 3 that has 2 versions of the movie in it, the theatrical version, and choose their fate version, which puts you in control and decide who lives and who dies (?).. plus, this is notenough to be compicated.. it has 2 angles!! i started wokring with it to put my own subtitle... but the muxman gives an error during remuxing and stops.. also the DVD wezard in subtitle workshop finishes as its done.. but the result is the same as in muxman, same files same size half job done.. so what to do?? how to bypass this problem?! any one got into it before?! thanx another thing.. in the PgcDemux, after i choose the IFO for the DVD and in the popup i chosse the PGC # , i saw like four PGC's with almost same movie length, and they all gives the same number os cells and for the 1st time i see that i can choose Agnle 1 or 2 from the lower popup.... cheers :)

hofverberg posted 2006 Aug 10 23:59

I would like to thank for this great guide - it's been very useful. I have one question though: How exactly do you do to add subtitles to a multi-PGC title, I e an episodic DVD with episodes in multiple PGCs in the same VTS? The guide only mentioned the cases where each episode is in a different VTS (VOB)...

sa-ka posted 2006 Aug 19 03:25

Thanks for this guide. It works. I added a subtitle with this guide and I edited Menu with dvdremake. but I have a guestion that suffer me. after step 7 (vobblanker) When Play dvd with windvd 6. slider bar is not selectable. so we cannot go forward or backward. subtitle that added play good with windvd but in standalone dvdplayer (Sony) subtitles are completely in blackbar behinde the move. Please help me.

manono posted 2006 Aug 19 03:34

Hi- but in standalone dvdplayer (Sony) subtitles are completely in blackbar behinde the move. Do you mean the subtitles are below the movie? If so, DVDSubEdit is your friend: http://www.videohelp.com/~DVDSubEdit/UserManual/helpfile.htm Section 2.7 explains how to raise the subtitles, and section 2.1 explains how to apply and save the changes for all the subtitles. Or maybe I've completely misunderstood.

sa-ka posted 2006 Aug 19 04:14

thank manono for quick reply. I meaned below. But what can I do with slide bar In windvd.

manono posted 2006 Aug 19 04:27

Hehe, I didn't answer that one because I don't know the answer. It isn't a problem using a standalone, so I don't worry about it. Bamana Khoda.

Sapientum posted 2006 Aug 27 14:02

I can't get my audio to match the video when I put them together with muxman... even though PgcDemux said that there was no delay.. What could be the problem?

manono posted 2006 Aug 27 22:40

Hi- What could be the problem? Perhaps a funky decrypt. There's nothing to prevent you from determining the delay and then setting it in Muxman, though. If it's greater than 300 ms (the limit for Muxman), use Delay Cut to fix it.

Sapientum posted 2006 Aug 28 04:09

manono : Hi- What could be the problem? Perhaps a funky decrypt. There's nothing to prevent you from determining the delay and then setting it in Muxman, though. If it's greater than 300 ms (the limit for Muxman), use Delay Cut to fix it. What's the best way to determine how big the delay is? Because there must be an easier way than guessing ;)

manono posted 2006 Aug 28 04:52

Hi- To find the delay, open a vob in Media Player Classic. Right-click the screen and go Options->Filter->Audio Switcher->check the "audio time shift" box, and fill in an estimate of the amount of asynch. Hit "Apply" and test it out. Negative values are to make the audio play earlier. 1000 ms= 1 second. Resume playback. Adjust until you get it right. At that point you'll know how much the audio is out of synch and how much to set the delay in Muxman or Delay Cut.

ih8win posted 2006 Sep 03 14:33

hello, another thing i faced during subtitlting with new Sony movies, like Basic Institct 2, RV.. i am facing a problem with MuxMan that keeps getting an error at the end of its work. and testing the result dvd showes it wont work, if u keep going on to VobBlanker, it will give another error at the end, and the result wont include the subtitle i added.. kept trying for days searching the internet, but couldnt find a solution.. the only thing i figured, that if i dont import the chapters in MuxMan, then it will work fine till the end and to VObBlanker, and the DVD will show the result with the subtitle i added with menus with everything.. but... no chapters... have to watch the movie from the beggining to the end as one piece.. and that sucks! any one faced this thing before? or anyone have a solution?

manono posted 2006 Sep 03 21:42

Hi- i am facing a problem with MuxMan that keeps getting an error at the end of its work. Maybe it would help if you said what the error was. You can find the Muxman log in the root of the C drive. I think I know what your error is, but I refuse to guess. Also, if you decrypted these new DVDs you mentioned using RipIt4Me in the first place, the chances are very good you wouldn't have these synch problems.

ih8win posted 2006 Sep 05 04:43

: Also, if you decrypted these new DVDs you mentioned using RipIt4Me in the first place, the chances are very good you wouldn't have these synch problems. done that... didnt help either.. this problem i faced in: Final Destination3, Basic Instinct2, RV, Scary Movie 4, Sentinel.. and i guess they all a Sony made.. they will only work if i dont import the chapters in MuxMan.. and the error that muxman reports attached as an image to this msg... [/img]

manono posted 2006 Sep 05 05:14

When you see that message, delete the last cell in the Celltimes.txt and mux again. To keep that sort of thing from happening in the future, open the LogFile.txt and find the total frames line: Total Number of Frames=263170 Then open the Celltimes.txt file. If the last frame number listed in the Celltimes.txt file is within 30 frames or so of the total number of frames in the LogFile.txt, delete it. When replacing using VobBlanker, it'll throw a warning which you can safely ignore. And I apologize for the RipIt4Me and the asynch audio remark from before. I was thinking of the previous poster who was having problems with asynch audio.

ih8win posted 2006 Sep 05 08:19

hello again manono.. tried your last post on "The Sentinel".. deleted the last row of cell number from "Celltimes.txt".. muxed it.. muxman didnt report the error mentioned before, but the result didnt work... even though, i kept going with VobBlanker, the result ran the menu.. but playing the movie will get you back to menu.. also checked the celltimes.txt last cell with Total Number of Frames in logFile.txt, it was like this: Total Number of Frames=194251 (in LogFile.txt) last row for celltime= 194236 (in CellTimes.txt so still to make it work i had to do it without importing the celltimes..

manono posted 2006 Sep 05 08:51

Hi- but the result didnt work Are you saying that the Muxman authored DVD (before replacing in VobBlanker) didn't work? I was only answering about your Muxman error. I'm not responsible for it not working, as I have no idea what went on before then. However, I have heard of a couple of instances of Muxman not working, but authoring in IFOEdit did work. You might try that next. It takes the same assets in the same formats as does Muxman. To author, go DVD Author->Author New DVD up at the top. Total Number of Frames=194251 (in LogFile.txt) last row for celltime= 194236 (in CellTimes.txt Yes, that's a good example where checking before authoring, and deleting the last Celltimes.txt frame number, will save you from a muxing error.

ih8win posted 2006 Sep 05 18:01

true, it did save me the Muxman error, but still the DVD result after muxing will not work, usually this is what i do, test the result and see if it works after muxing or not.. Authoring in IFOEdit? i donno how to do that, all i did was follow the guide here.. should i used IFOEdit after MuxMan? or after PGCDemux? Thanx for being patient and helpfull manono :)

manono posted 2006 Sep 05 21:29

Hi- If you're going to author with IFOEdit, then you do it instead of using Muxman. Just load the video, audio, celltimes.txt, and subs into IFOEdit, just as you did using Muxman. I don't quite understand what you mean when you say it won't work. If Muxman completed without error, then you should have a working DVD to test. Where did the video come from?Demuxed, or reencoded? Does that M2V play OK by itself? How are you playing the Muxman authored DVD? PowerDVD or some such? And what exactly happens (or doesn't happen) when you try and play the DVD (the DVD, and not a VOB)? Any error message? Have you tried other software DVD players? Does this have something to do with the subtitles? After muxing/authoring, you're using a real software DVD player aren't you, instead of just playing the VOBs? You're opening IFOs and not VOBS? And these subs are in SUP format? How did you create these SUP format subs?

juhanes posted 2006 Sep 20 17:32

Hello. This guide works just fine, but now i want to add subtitle to PRison BReak, which have 4 episodes on dvd, and when i use pgcdemux there are for diffrent files to demux, i have no clue what to do, anyone can help? Thank You

manono posted 2006 Sep 20 18:07

Hi- If you don't know how to find out in advance what's in the different PGCs (Hint: the Preview in VobBlanker or PGCEdit), then demux them one at a time. Keep the ones you want, and delete the ones you don't. You said it's Prison Break with 4 episodes, right? So, there should be 4 episodes, either all under different IFOs, or all under the same IFO (check the dropdown box after opening an IFO). Look for 4 episodes, each somewhere around 45 minutes in length. The rest of the stuff is logos and extras.

ih8win posted 2006 Sep 20 18:15

manono you amazing :) ... im raizing a hat for you, you reply fast and looks like you know what you doing ;) btw, i didnt try yet what u adviced about my problem, ill try it soon and tell you what will happen.. just wanted to thank you for the effort and the help you give :)

manono posted 2006 Sep 20 18:31

Thanks, ih8win. Hehe, sometimes I know what I'm doing. Sometimes I just fake it. juhanes' problem sounds kind of easy. Frankly, yours has me baffled, but if I didn't confuse you too much with my last response, maybe we can get it sorted out. I do a lot of subs-on-DVD work, so I get a lot of practice. However, I may have misinterpreted juhanes' problem. If you found the 4 episodes, juhanes, demux all 4, remux (author using Muxman) with the 4 different new subtitles, and replace 4 episodes using the "Replace" button in VobBlanker. It's just like adding a sub to a movie, except you have 4 different "movies".

Deaf Raiders posted 2006 Sep 21 17:57

How can i join two sup? files

manono posted 2006 Sep 21 18:20

As far as I know, you can't. But you can join IDX/SUB files using the VobSub Joiner that comes in the VobSub package. To convert SUP to IDX/SUB, get the program and follow the instructions (DOS, with no GUI yet, unfortunately): http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=111664 I used it to convert from SUP to IDX/SUB the other day, and it works fine. Then after they're joined up again, use SubToSup to convert back to SUP files.

juhanes posted 2006 Sep 23 10:43

Thank you, manono for your help. You are really good guy. The problem was truelly kind of easy, but i would never think of that by myself. I have whole season I. of prison break now on dvd and subtitles work like a charm. But now i run into another problem. I am trying to add subtitles to Lost and when use pgcdemux, there is now audio delay, there is just "none" for audio, and when i compile DVD, my audio is out of synch :S Any idea how to fix? Thank you again. Bye. Edit: oh, i am sorry, i didnt know, i'll try to play a little with audio delay in muxman...

manono posted 2006 Sep 23 11:54

source: Lost.S02.NTSC.DVDR-WATDVD You're not supposed to mention illegally downloaded files here. You may get scolded, or this thread may get locked. I don't know, but don't do it again. Fixing audio asynch can be tricky. You first have to determine the amount of the asynch, and then in Muxman you have to set the delay (only up to 300 ms allowed by Muxman). Or you can fix the delay using Delay Cut. But you have to figure out what it is first. This is a subtitle guide thread, and your question is outside the scope of the guide.

juhanes posted 2006 Sep 25 05:31

Hi! As soon as i fixed that delay issue, i run into another error again. It seems it's not a big deal, because DVD if working well, but i am asking anyway, because maybe somethink could be wrong now, and dvd wont play on some DVD players, or somethink.

manono posted 2006 Sep 25 06:43

Yeah, that's not good. Is this for NTSC? If so, you maybe didn't take into account pulldown. In the future, lower the GOP size if encoding for NTSC 23.976fps progressive with pulldown. I don't think you said which encoder you use. In CCE, you set N/M to 4 when encoding for 23.976fps progressive with pulldown. TMPGEnc does it differently, but you want to set it for 12 frames. Someone else can advise you on that if you respond saying you're using TMPGEnc.

juhanes posted 2006 Sep 25 09:37

No, no encoders, i am geting this error at the end of muxing with muxman and yes its NTSC.

manono posted 2006 Sep 25 10:11

Oh, you didn't reencode? Then ignore it, I guess. Or maybe try authoring with IFOEdit (DVD Author->Author New DVD, at the top). It takes the assets in the same format as does Muxman. But if it's on the original DVD like that, and you're not reencoding, I guess there's not much you can do.

Stuggy posted 2006 Sep 26 00:16

sa-ka : I have a guestion that suffer me. after step 7 (vobblanker) When Play dvd with windvd 6. slider bar is not selectable. so we cannot go forward or backward. Here is the answer to that question, posted by r0lZ @ doom9: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=107679&highlight=windvd+slider r0lZ@doom9 : It's probably because you use the VobBlanker options "Prev and/or Next PGCN pointer to itself" in the Title domain.It's a good trick to enable the Prev and Next Chapter buttons of the remote when the first or last chapter is playing, but WinDVD considers such a PGC as non-sequential, and disables the time seekbar. Though not really a bug in WinDVD, it should not do that! Most standalone players are happy with this trick. Note that you can safely use the Next/Prev PGCN pointer to itself option in the Menu domain, because you cannot use the time seek function in a menu anyway. I had the same problem and when I unticked those in VobBlankers settins, the dvd navigation slider worked in WinDVD :)

manono posted 2006 Sep 26 00:59

Hi- I wish you'd posted that yesterday, when I had one like that. I couldn't seek in PowerDVD. Like I said in my reply to sa-ka, I didn't know the answer, but didn't worry about it, as it doesn't affect playback in a standalone. Thanks, and I'll test it out the next time I have one like that.

impulse_16 posted 2006 Sep 28 14:21

hey guys im having a problem trying to install "Subtitle Creator" when i run the setup file, ti gives me an error saying : ".Net runtime library is not installed", what can i do? i downloaded the file from the link given in this website...its called "Setup_SubtitleCreator_V2_0_6.exe". Plz help

Deaf Raiders posted 2006 Sep 28 14:58

u need to install .NET framework u can get it here install .NET Framework Version 2.0 Redistributable Package

impulse_16 posted 2006 Sep 28 19:31

thanks, well i just used rejig and problem solved...the thing is that my final vob doesnt show subtitles at all....any idea of what to do?. one other thing, i tried to compile a file using dvdlabpro and it says this : "Open GOP'S were detected in file, in your encoder always select close GOP'S to avoid such problems" what can i do? i dont remember any option that was called like that

impulse_16 posted 2006 Oct 05 17:31

hey here is my question, i converted some avi files to dvd...my source file didnt have any subtitle...now i have the vob files, the ifos. and the bup.....i wonder...can i use this method to work with the vob file that i have, and add the subtitles....and if i have to do something extra..since there where no subtitles before....thanks

manono posted 2006 Oct 05 20:44

You'll have to have the subs in SUP format, but to add them to an already existing DVD, demux (PGCDemux), add the subs, and reauthor (ReJig, IFOEdit, Muxman). If this DVD has a menu, then use the Replace button of VobBlanker to get the new DVD with subs back into the old DVD with a menu but no subs. You'll also have to use PGCEdit and the method I explained in the other thread to turn on the new subs when all done (if replacing). You can also change the colors and set the language the same way (using PGCEdit).

sepehr_s posted 2006 Oct 13 07:32

how Can I understand a film rate or ripping format of a movie clip ?

Polysics posted 2006 Oct 13 17:04

Thanks a lot for posting this guide :) I have a problem with step 7 (vobblanker) though: I am trying to put subtitles on a multi-pgc episodic dvd... I followed everything in the guide and it worked perfectly until i had to use vobblanker. After replacing the ifo's for the appropriate PGC's and I press progress it gives the folowing error: 'VTS 01: Replacing PGC 01 by M:\remuxed\PGC1\VTS_01_0.IFO Cells to be replaced =14. Cells in replacing VOB=14 VTS 01: Replacing PGC 02 by M:\remuxed\ep1\VTS_01_0.IFO Cells to be replaced =0. Cells in replacing VOB=5 Error: Cell not found' I'd be grateful if someone could help me with this issue ^^

manono posted 2006 Oct 13 21:17

Hi Polysics- It looks as if the original PGC2 has no cells, and your remuxed one has 5 cells. Therefore it looks to me like you're replacing the wrong PGC, that is, your replacing PGC doesn't belong in the original DVD VTS 01 PGC2. Check to make sure you have the correct VTS and PGC to be replaced. sepehr_s, Chitour hastid? Please try and rephrase your question, as I (and maybe others) don't understand it. how Can I understand a film rate PAL DVD and AVI is 25fps. NTSC DVD is 29.97fps, and AVI maybe either 29.97fps or 23.976fps. If you're asking how you can tell which you have, PAL or NTSC, maybe GSpot can tell you. ...ripping format of a movie clip ? Are you asking about a video file you have? The extension will tell you. Or open it in GSpot.

Polysics posted 2006 Oct 14 06:12

@manono: I'm pretty sure I'm replacing the correct PGC. Here's a screenshot of vobblanker: As you can see in the screenshot vobblanker says that the original PGC #2 has 5 cells. Still when I click process it gives the following error: VTS 01: Replacing PGC 02 by M:\remuxed\ep1\VTS_01_0.IFO Cells to be replaced =0. Cells in replacing VOB=5 Error: Cell not found A bit strange as the screenshot says the original PGC does have 5 cells.

manono posted 2006 Oct 14 06:57

Nope, that's an empty PGC. You'll notice that the lengths of PGCs 2, 3, and 4 added together total the same as the length of PGC1. You'll also notice that they have no size. Since you already replaced VTS1 PGC1 (the entire 135 minute video) which includes your PGC2, then why would you want to add in a part of it again? You'll notice that under "Reuse" it says "Yes" for PGCs 2, 3, and 4. Rather than stick them into the DVD for a second time, they use them from the PGC1. All you have to replace is PGC1, and then you're done with VTS1. It looks to me as if you have an episodic DVD with a "Play All" and a play separately feature. Or something similar. I was wrong about the reason you can't replace it, but you still can't replace it. You should be happy. You can now use the extra space for improving the quality of the movie (or episodes), or for including an extra or 2. Thanks for providing the pic, which makes the situation clear.

sepehr_s posted 2006 Oct 14 07:21

manono : Hi Polysics- It looks as if the original PGC2 has no cells, and your remuxed one has 5 cells. Therefore it looks to me like you're replacing the wrong PGC, that is, your replacing PGC doesn't belong in the original DVD VTS 01 PGC2. Check to make sure you have the correct VTS and PGC to be replaced. sepehr_s, Chitour hastid? Please try amd rephrase your question, as I (and maybe others) don't understand it. how Can I understand a film rate PAL DVD and AVI is 25fps. NTSC DVD is 29.97fps, and AVI maybe either 29.97fps or 23.976fps. If you're asking how you can tell which you have, PAL or NTSC, maybe GSpot can tell you. ...ripping format of a movie clip ? Are you asking about a video file you have? The extension will tell you. Or open it in GSpot. Thanks for helping

Polysics posted 2006 Oct 14 15:17

manono : Nope, that's an empty PGC. You'll notice that the lengths of PGCs 2, 3, and 4 added together total the same as the length of PGC1. You'll also notice that they have no size. Since you already replaced VTS1 PGC1 (the entire 135 minute video) which includes your PGC2, then why would you want to add in a part of it again? You'll notice that under "Reuse" it says "Yes" for PGCs 2, 3, and 4. Rather than stick them into the DVD for a second time, they use them from the PGC1. All you have to replace is PGC1, and then you're done with VTS1. It looks to me as if you have an episodic DVD with a "Play All" and a play separately feature. Or something similar. I was wrong about the reason you can't replace it, but you still can't replace it. You should be happy. You can now use the extra space for improving the quality of the movie (or episodes), or for including an extra or 2. Thanks for providing the pic, which makes the situation clear. That was a pretty easy solution ^^ Thanks for helping! Finally got it to work :D Edit: hmm... there's still a problem though. The subtitles will only show up when i press the play all button on the menu. If i choose the episode in the episode menu, there are no subtitles wich can be selected. This is probably because the episodes on the episode menu are in PGC2, 3 and 4. And i didn't replace those because i get an error when i do that... Guess ill have to find a way around that. Edit2: I found the solution: I edited the subtitle info for pgc2 3 and 4 and now it works :)

manono posted 2006 Oct 14 23:33

Hi- I was going to suggest turning on the subs for PGCs 2, 3, and 4, until I read your final line: Edit2: I found the solution: I edited the subtitle info for pgc2 3 and 4 and now it works Good going, and you figured it out yourself. A successful backup, you learned something(s), and you can attack similar projects in the future with confidence.

SiMed posted 2006 Oct 17 09:58

hi all i'm new here and i hope to get some help for my probleme : I find this guide and I was very to be able to add foreign subs to my dvds , the probleme is I cant treat arabic subs , I downloaded some .srt from the net when I open them with wordpad the words are like this "ÍÜÜÓÜÜíÜÜä ÈÜÜßÜÜÑ" and when i open them with Win Word i get a option to convert the file then i choose 'to arabic (windows)' and here are the subtitles correcly written in arabic, but in subtitle creator and subtitle tool they look like "ÍÜÜÓÜÜíÜÜä ÈÜÜßÜÜÑ " and it drives me crazy , nothing to do any help please ? thans

kschang posted 2006 Oct 17 12:22

I am assuming that your version of Windows is ALREADY Arabic-enabled?

SiMed posted 2006 Oct 17 18:02

my windows is french with arabic so i can write arabic in wordpad winword and even in notepad

dudule posted 2006 Oct 23 05:24

Hi there ! I am just new in this forum, and I read this thread with interest but I couldn't find the answer I am needing... :( Here is my problem : I have a US DVD of a several TV episodes (4). I got the french subtitles of those episodes (4 files : *.idx + *.sub that I converted into *.srt files), and I'd like to replace the english subs with the french ones while keeping the rest of the DVD untouched. What I don't understand is that I only have one VOB (VTS_02_x.VOB) containing the 4 eps. When I demuxed, using VOBEdit or PGCDemux, I obtained only one videostream. So my question is : should I join my 4 *.srt files before I try to remux everything ? If so, How can I make sure the timing will be good ? Or is there a way to demux the 4 eps into 4 different videostreams and check the timing, before remuxing everything together ? Well, I don't know if I'm being very clear :) but I hope someone could help me :D PS : I am kind of a newbie in DVDauthoring, and french, so sorry for my bad english :roll:

n4p1 posted 2006 Oct 30 06:06

I have that same problem like a "dudule". I have remuxed vob files (ep1, ep2, ep3, ep4) with my custom subtitles and they works fine in vlc. VobBlanker looks like this: Now when I try repleace PGC#3,4,5,6 with ep1,2,3,4/VTS_01_0.IFO all compilation have 2x more space :/. What I need to do for make this works with untouched menu? Thanks for any help.

manono posted 2006 Oct 30 08:16

Yeah, you've got problems, n4p1, as does dudule if his is the same way. What do you see if you highlight PGC 1 and hit the "Cells" button in that pic? If you see only 4 cells, then you're OK, and you can replace each cell with an episode. But typically each episode will be divided into several cells/chapters, and cells won't correspond to complete episodes. And you can't "Replace" PGCs 3, 4, 5, and 6 either. I'm afraid your only recourse is to merge the 4 subtitle tracks into 1. As dudule mentions, the hardest part is to merge them and make sure they're in synch with the audio and video. What I do when faced with similar problems is to make an AVI from the whole thing, mux the audio, and that way I can test out my joined subtitle track more easily, before then continuing with the DVD authoring. Maybe there's an easier and faster way that someone else can suggest. You do have something in your favor, and that is PGCs 3, 4, 5, and 6 telling you the exact length of each episode. Each sub track has to have the sum total of the previous episodes added to its starting time when merged. Understand? The timings for episode 1 are left alone, episode 2 has 41:53:05 added to it, episode 3 has 1:24:13:18 added to it, etc. With luck, you may not have to make an AVI to test it out, but just make the merged sub track, author, and hope for the best.

n4p1 posted 2006 Oct 30 11:57

Ok, so the one posibility is merge subs and make only one vob from PGC#1. I think about that, but first I wanted ask if there is any easys posibility ;). Thx for guide how to merge subs but I know how to do it ;p. cheers and sorry for my bad english.

AlanHK posted 2006 Oct 30 12:20

n4p1 : Ok, so the one posibility is merge subs and make only one vob from PGC#1. I think about that, but first I wanted ask if there is any easys posibility ;). Thx for guide how to merge subs but I know how to do it ;p. cheers and sorry for my bad english. I'd convert the VOB to MPEG and cut that into the 4 separate episodes (using MPEG2VCR, eg), then reauthor, combining with your subtitle files. This should be lossless, VOB is already MPEG2. You should check sync of the subtitles with a tool like Subtitle Workshop. Quite likely your video will be off from the subs. Use MPEG2VCR to demux if necessary for authoring. You'll lose the fancy menu if there was one; I make similar DVDs with guiforDVDauthor, paste in a screenshot or promo image as background for the menu. You can set chapter points within each episode, and even make an image menu for that. I just set 9 points evenly spaced and add one at the end of the opening credits.

n4p1 posted 2006 Oct 30 13:04

I have 4 separate eps with custom subs, everything works, I can write it on dvd and play in standalone player and everythink works. But i need orginal menu, I just want have that same DVD+my custom subs ;). Now I trying this solution with merge subs, tomorow I write If that works fine.

n4p1 posted 2006 Oct 31 00:22

Merge subs solution is ok, everythinks working with orginal menu. Now Im trying add button in menu with my custom subs ... I try DvdReMake. I change bacground, add button, add command, export dvd, burn and menu dosent shown :/. Can someone give me a link to working guide with add button, change background in menu? I search alot and cant find, thx.

ih8win posted 2006 Nov 05 09:44

hi again, back to my problems, i've managed to solve some, thanx to manono ;) and some i figured out after many tries.. 1st, i had a problem with PgcDemux and not beign able to see the audio delay for Sony made DVD's, after testing it with mplayerc.exe and figuring out what is the delay is, i found that its 300ms for all the sony DVD's i tested, DaVinci Code, Monster House.. 2nd, a new thing came up after syncing the audio with the video... now the subtitle out of sync... so testing came out with delaying the subtitles from SubtitleCreator.exe for -51800 got them all working back again.. 3nd, something weird happens to the menu afterward, with DaVinci Code, for example, my subtitle is number 2 in the remote, but in the menu its number 3.. this has never happend with any other DVD. 4th, and this is what i couldnt figure out alone and i needed some help :-D ... its with Monster House, after i demuxed the menu VOB and rejoined the files into one VOB again after editing the menu BMP (which i have done this many times with other DVD's perfectly).. the menu keeps showing another pic that is the original pic of the DVD and not the one i have edited to place my own sub.. opening the demuxed VOB with DGIndex shows the BMP i edited and saved and remuxed, playing the VOB with VLC blinks the edited BMP and remain to the original image that i cant really figure where its reading it from... i've opened all the demxed vob from the main VOB.. but none got that image.... any ideas???? thanx

manono posted 2006 Nov 05 11:41

Hi- the menu keeps showing another pic that is the original pic of the DVD and not the one i have edited to place my own sub.. Hehe, spooky, eh? You replaced the original with your edited one, but when you go to that menu when playing the DVD, it shows the original? Yet, when you check out the various menus in DGIndex, there's your edited one? I'd say there's more than one of that original menu in the DVD, and you only edited and replaced one of them. Open your "final" DVD in VobBlanker and select the menu, and check them all one by one at the cell level. Check every single cell. I'll bet there's your edited one, and at least one more of the original unedited one. It's not uncommon to have more than one of the same menu pic in the DVD.

ih8win posted 2006 Nov 05 12:46

yes, that what happens... "but"... if i open the same mini VOB file ia VLC.. it shows the original pic.. when its in other folder the the same original DVD, so theres no link with other VOBs, and een before joining back the mini VOB files, into the big one menu VOB file.. and i have trible check all the mini vob files for the hidden original pic... nothing.. i am sure that somewhere inside the mini VOB file, theres a hidden layer or something like that to keep showing the original pic.. but donno how to reach it..

manono posted 2006 Nov 05 23:05

Which is why I said to check all the menu cells in VobBlanker. If all you check is the PGC for each menu, you might not spot it. It's not unusual for there to be 2 or more cells in the same menu PGC. VobBlanker (and even PGCEdit if you know how) can show you the unedited but otherwise identical cells.

lodge posted 2006 Nov 06 02:46

I have a problem after finish all the steps. Here are my steps. 1. I have a DVD has 7 episodes on 7 different PCG files. This DVD has NO subtitle. 2. Follow the guide to demux, create SUP, remux to 7 VOBs. 3. Use VobBlanker to replace original 7 VOBs with the reauthored 7 VOBs 4. Burn DVD. The problem is I cannot enable subtitle on DVD Player (Sony Playstation 2), which said there's no subtile on the DVD. Neither on Windows Media Player. But I CAN enable subtitle properly on Media Player Classic. I'm wondering if the problem was caused by there NO subtitle in original DVD. Is there anything special at this scenario? Any advice? thx

manono posted 2006 Nov 06 05:35

Hi- I'm wondering if the problem was caused by there NO subtitle in original DVD. Yes, that's why. You have to "turn on" the subtitle before you can use it. Open the final DVD in PGCEdit, double-click on the movie in the left window, turn on the first sub (which will be # 0) by opening it and "Set". OK your way out to the main window. Find the green reel of film icon along the top row of icons and click on it. It's going to give you a message about the number of sub streams changing and offer to fix it. . "Yes", Save, and Test.

lodge posted 2006 Nov 06 09:47

Great! It works fine. Thank you sooooooo much manono!

manono posted 2006 Nov 06 12:13

You're welcome, lodge. Enjoy your movie with the new subtitle. By the way, I forgot to mention, after clicking on the green reel of film and hitting "Yes", you can set the language for your sub (zh if for a Chinese language). Then after saving, when testing it out, you'll see the language listed, instead of just Subtitle 1, or something like that. Maybe you noticed that when in that new window.

impulse_16 posted 2006 Nov 09 15:09

hey guys i need help..im having problems right from the start...here is the thing: I copied all the files in the dvd to the hard drive using DVDecrypter as u guys sayd...everything is ok.... the problem is this... to view the dvd files I Use Power Dvd..if i run the dvd by autorun using power dvd, i can see the original subtitles of the dvd with no problems...BUT...when i open manually a single file...or even select them all and add them to a play list , i cant see the subtitles...not even from the dvd...anyone knows how to use power dvd in order to see the subtitles? or can you give me another program to view the dvds..since i need to preview the files in order to see if the subtiles are sync once i add them

manono posted 2006 Nov 09 19:51

BUT...when i open manually a single file...or even select them all and add them to a play list , i cant see the subtitles... You don't get subs when playing the Vobs. You have to play the DVD. You have to open the IFO. In my old Version 4 of PowerDVD, I "Open DVD File On Hard Disk Drive" and scroll to an IFO - any IFO - on the DVD.

impulse_16 posted 2006 Nov 10 10:59

ok..now i can see the subtitles from the "original" folder...time to complete the process...im sure ill have some more problems hehe, good to know i have help here, thanks. -------------several hours later--------------- ok...i have another problem hehe...instead of postin a new reply i just edited my last one...here is the thing: when i get to step 5..and i run muxman...the program crashes...so i tried with rejig...and the whole process goes the right way...the thing is that when i check my "redemuxed" folrder..all i have are really really small files...like 650kb files and stuff...what im i doing wrong?...can you help me?, and also send me plz a link with muxman, cuz I downloaded it again from this site, and still crashes...thanks

impulse_16 posted 2006 Nov 10 19:28

i used ifoedit and it worked...but then i have another problem..here it goes: im trying to add some subtitles to a 3 episodes dvd i have....now..as u could see in my previous post, i couldnt use muxman...and rejig just gave me small files...i used ifoedit and it worked...when i preview the first episode on power dvd..the subtitles show....now here is the thing.... my first episode is in the files vts_01_1.vob and vts_01_2.vob, that means their ifo files is vts_01_0.ifo ...great....the problem is..that the second episode (and i dont know why) is in vts_01_3.vob and vts_01_4.vob.....the first step of this guide is to browse the .ifo file of the main movie...but how can i do this? if the ifo file for episode 2 is the same as episode 1.... and when i did the whole process browsing vts_01_0.ifo, it worked only with the 2 files of the first episode...no sing of the second episode...plz help....

manono posted 2006 Nov 10 21:41

They might be in the same VTS, but most likely they're in different PGCs. What are you trying to do, demux the episodes from the DVD? If so, try PGCDemux.

impulse_16 posted 2006 Nov 11 06:18

not from the dvd, but from my "original folder"... how do i know in which pgc is my second episode?

manono posted 2006 Nov 11 10:12

Hi- If you're using PGCDemux to get the different episodes, and if they're all 3 in the same VTS, then open the IFO for the VTS, check the dropdown box, and you should see the 3 episodes listed. Demux them one after the other. There are other possibilities, like they may be in different VTS's (but from what you've said so far, that doesn't seem to be the case), or they may be in the same VTS, and also in the same PGC, divided only by chapter numbers. Let's hope that's not the case.

impulse_16 posted 2006 Nov 11 22:53

ok so i did what you sayd...i used pgcdemux in my vts..then opened de dropdown box and there were 5 pgcs, the first one of 1:06:18 (lenght of my first episode), and the numer 2 ,00:45:31 (lenght of my second episode), the other 3 were 0:01:00, 0:06:00 and 0:01:00. so i demuxed the pgc 2....the process went well but my output file is just 892mb and after 00:31:43 there is nothing more...what im i doing wrong? is not space, cuz i have a lot of free space

manono posted 2006 Nov 12 04:18

Hi- The short answer is that I have no idea what you did wrong. But I'm not convinced yet that anything went wrong, either. This 892 MB output file, that's what PGCDemux gave you? And you have reason to believe it should be larger? And how do you know there's only 31 of the 45 minutes there? How are you determining the length? Open it in DGIndex and scroll around and make sure it's really short. Have you reauthored with the subtitle, using Muxman, and then played the reauthored DVD of the second episode to confirm it's too short?

impulse_16 posted 2006 Nov 12 17:59

yeah i did that, i reauthored the file with ifoedit (remember muxman doesnt work for me) and it cuts the episode....so..what can i do?

manono posted 2006 Nov 12 18:35

You didn't reencode anything? You just demuxed and then remuxed with the new sub? Did you check out those other 3 PGCs that you mentioned earlier: : the other 3 were 0:01:00, 0:06:00 and 0:01:00. Those times mentioned are seconds or minutes? Did you open the M2V PGCDemux gave you in DGIndex (or VDubMod) and confirm it's too short? Are you sure you got a good decrypt with DVD Decrypter? I've never had a problem like you're describing when using PGCDemux, so I would look elsewhere for an explanation Open the DVD on the hard drive in VobBlanker and look around for an explanation for the problem. It'll give you the size and lengths of all the PGCs. You can also demux using VobBlanker, and you can compare lengths and sizes. It also has a Preview function to check out what's in each video.

impulse_16 posted 2006 Nov 12 22:21

ok so i ran pgcdemux again and it all went well....im in step 8 now..allready used vobblanker...now here is my question, i replaced the original subtitle of the dvd with my own...do I still have to do step 9? or is this step only for those who are adding new subtitles?

manono posted 2006 Nov 13 03:59

Since you're keeping the same number of subs, nothing has to be done as far as adding to, or subtracting from, the number of subs. You may want to change the language from whatever it was before to the new one. Both that IFOEdit step as described in the guide, as well as changing the language, are much more easily done in PGCEdit these days. Open the DVD in PGCEdit, right-click on the video->Domain Streams Attributes. In the new screen that opens up, change the language for the sub to your language (es, most likely). Then it'll show correctly in PowerDVD, or when using the remote on the standalone. You may even want to edit the subtitle menu, to wipe out the old language, and replace it with yours.

impulse_16 posted 2006 Nov 14 08:56

ok...im almost done..here is the last problem (hopefully) im burning a multiepisodes dvd....as you remember, my first and second episode are on the same vts.. the thing is, when i have reauthored all of 3 episodes...and i watch them each one on their folders..the sutbtitles show ...now..when i join them all together on the same folder, i can see the subtitles from the first and third episode...not from the second..im thinking it is because of the ifo file...but wht can i do?

manono posted 2006 Nov 14 09:50

Hi- now..when i join them all together on the same folder, i can see the subtitles from the first and third episode...not from the second..im thinking it is because of the ifo file...but wht can i do? You're adding them to the DVD using VobBlanker? Then if you saw subs after muxing each episode with Muxman, you should also see subs after doing the "Replace" in VobBlanker. This assumes you're replacing an already existing subtitle with your own subtitle. If you're adding a new sub - none to begin with and 1 after you're done - for example, then you have to "turn on" the new sub in PGCEdit. Otherwise, I don't know offhand where it's gone wrong.

impulse_16 posted 2006 Nov 14 21:59

ok.......i did it finally.......all is left is how to burn it.. i used the data dvd option on nero and it didnt work......how do i burn it keeping original menu and all?

manono posted 2006 Nov 14 22:36

Create 2 folders, the empty AUDIO_TS folder, and the VIDEO_TS folder into which you stick the IFOs, BUPs, and VOBs. Create an Image file using ImgTool Classic (or similar). Burn using ImgBurn. http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?s=b878c131a3575347de80eb3173a4 ... owtopic=61

fibola posted 2006 Nov 20 09:26

GREAT GUIDE . only one problem which ill be glad to get an answer for it. i did 2 subtitle for wide a box view replaced them with the original ones for the first i press on the wide and for the second i press on the other one (cant remember right now what it is) . when i play the dvd on my wide screen the sub or good altough it touch the bottom , but its good. on the other hand when play it on my regular tv the subs are shown only in half . any idea ?

manono posted 2006 Nov 20 10:54

Your subs wound up too low. They're even lower on the 4:3 TV set because of its greater overscan. To raise them back up to where they should be, use DVDSubEdit: http://download.videohelp.com/DVDSubEdit/UserManual/helpfile.htm Sections 2.7 and 2.8

impulse_16 posted 2006 Nov 20 11:38

im trying to install subtitle creator , and it says i need to instal .net framework v2.0.50727 anyone has a link to this file? the one you gave me before is not working

fibola posted 2006 Nov 21 01:50

thanx manono !! will try it in my next project. altough now i have a bigger problem , yesterday i watch my first project SUPERMAN RETURN and during the movie there were 2 jitters (when the picture become squares) and 1 stucking for 2-3 second which was very dissapointing for me . i cant stand even one jitter/stucking/jumping in my movies. When i made the project i didnt run any other apps at the background. why this is happening and how can i avoid from it in the future projects ?

omega6666 posted 2006 Nov 21 02:01

I was wondering; I've purchased myself a 4 disc version of Howl's Moving Castle. The first disc contains excellent videoquality with only one perfect DTS ES 6.1 audio stream, but unfortunately NO subs!!! The second disc contains the movie with inferior image-quality, 5 silly stereo (!) audio streams, BUT it contains the subs I need. My question; is it possible to add the subs from the second disc to the perfect video and audio of the first disc, with a simplified demux-mux method maybe? Could I maybe simply copy the IFO file from the second disc over the IFO of the first one, to let it know which subs there are, and simply copy a demuxed sub from the 2nd disc somehow?

manono posted 2006 Nov 21 05:49

fibola- during the movie there were 2 jitters (when the picture become squares) So, go back to the DVD on the hard drive (before you burned it to disc). Play it in a software DVD player like PowerDVD. Do you see the same sticking and squares at the same places? If so, something went wrong during the decrypting/encoding stage. If not, something went wrong during the media/burning stage, probably bad media. My guess, based on no information at all, is that the DVD is OK, but the media isn't. Just a guess, though. omaga6666- I tried to answer your questions as best I could in your other post. It's considered very bad form to post the same question in 2 different threads.

fibola posted 2006 Nov 21 07:15

thank you omaga6666 , i will check it out when i get home and see if there were any jitters on the original . 1 more thing : 1. couldnt be also some error during the demux , remux stage that can effect on the movie ?

manono posted 2006 Nov 21 07:53

Hi- 1. couldnt be also some error during the demux , remux stage that can effect on the movie ? I suppose it's possible. I've never seen such things caused by demuxing or remuxing/authoring, though. I have, on the other hand, personally seen pixelation, blocking, and stuttering/temporary freezing caused by bad media. i will check it out when i get home and see if there were any jitters on the original . I meant for you to check the reauthored DVD on the hard drive, and not the original retail DVD. But maybe you knew that, and I just misunderstood.

fibola posted 2006 Nov 21 08:16

:-)

impulse_16 posted 2006 Nov 21 12:04

so i burned the dvd and the original subtitles show perfectly...but the ones i added are showin like if they were out of the screen..i mean, i can see the upper line of the subtitles, but the second line (the one down) i can see just half of it..the other half is like out of the screen...any idea what im i doing wrong?

manono posted 2006 Nov 21 12:42

Hi- Probably overscan if affecting how they appear. When you tested out the DVD on the hard drive, they didn't seem to be quite so low? When testing on the hard drive before burning, did you compare the position of the new subs in relation to the original ones? And while the new ones seemed OK, they were lower than the original ones? If the answer to all 3 questions is yes, then raise the vertical position of ONLY the new subs using DVDSubEdit. By default it selects all the subs in the top right. You want to use the drop-down box to choose only the new subs and then use the slider to raise them to the level of the original subs.

aesteban posted 2006 Nov 25 01:26

Hi, first i thank you for this very good tutorial. I've already added subs to three complete dvds with success using this guide. But this time i'm encountering a new error message i hadn't seen before: Until now i've demuxed, added the subs.sup file to the demuxed folder, and started remuxing. The only difference with my previous works is that i'm adding subs to a dvd where there were none before. I don't think that's the reason i've got an error.

manono posted 2006 Nov 25 01:56

Hi- Open the Celltimes.txt in Notepad. Remove/delete the last line/cell. Save it and remux with Muxman. It should be OK now.

aesteban posted 2006 Nov 25 10:06

Okay thanks, this thing is solved the muxing worked. But i have something strange happening. I've remuxed twice this movie, and twice i've had different timings for the films, and even different from the original dvd. I explain: on the original dvd the 1st and last phrase spoken are at 0:00:18s and 1:36:45. On the 1st remuxing i got 0:00:15s and 1:36:46 On the 2nd remuxing i got 0:00:17 and 1:36:53 I used Rejig on the first try, and Muxman on the 2nd. I always play the different trys with Powerdvd. This difference of timings gets my added subs always a bit out of touch at the beginnning and late at the end. This is quite insane, i don't understand how i get different timings, it's not happened before. This movie is in NTSC and i think it's the 1st one i'm working on.

manono posted 2006 Nov 25 20:08

Hi- I wouldn't attach much importance to the timings PowerDVD gives you. And I have no idea how you encoded, or if this is an NTSC->PAL conversion, or what. However, if the source is NTSC, and the destination is NTSC, then there's no reason at all for the subs to get out of synch as a result of the remux. Are you saying they're in synch when you use Rejig, but not in synch when using Muxman? They were most like out of synch to begin with. Since you seem to be saying that Muxman makes the movie longer (not true, by the way), wouldn't you think that by the end the subs would play earlier, rather than later, when compared to the audio/video? Just a guess though, and since I know nothing about your workflow or conversion process, I can't really help. Sorry. One way to test out the subs is to make a quick 1-pass AVI of the movie, and see if the subs are in synch. Maybe there are subtle framerate differences involved, like 30fps and 29.97fps.

aesteban posted 2006 Nov 27 19:28

manono : Hi- I wouldn't attach much importance to the timings PowerDVD gives you. And I have no idea how you encoded, or if this is an NTSC->PAL conversion, or what. However, if the source is NTSC, and the destination is NTSC, then there's no reason at all for the subs to get out of synch as a result of the remux. Are you saying they're in synch when you use Rejig, but not in synch when using Muxman? They were most like out of synch to begin with. Since you seem to be saying that Muxman makes the movie longer (not true, by the way), wouldn't you think that by the end the subs would play earlier, rather than later, when compared to the audio/video? Just a guess though, and since I know nothing about your workflow or conversion process, I can't really help. Sorry. One way to test out the subs is to make a quick 1-pass AVI of the movie, and see if the subs are in synch. Maybe there are subtle framerate differences involved, like 30fps and 29.97fps. I'm going to give you precise answers: I didn't convert the video in any way, it's still NTSC at the end. I meant on both tries it was out of synch. With muxman And Reijig i got the exact same result. In fact you're right, at the end the subs are not late, they are early. When i wrote that i was dumbass, i mixed things up. I'll explain how i converted: i simply used Demux to extract the video and audio. There are no subs on the dvd to start with. I'm just adding subs. So after demuxing video and audio, i add the sub file that i have previously synched to the dvd. To synch, i played the dvd with MediaPlayerClassic and opened my srt with VSfilter. Then i checkedthe timings for 1st and last sentence, and edited the subs using Subtitle Workshop. Then i use muxman as usual, set everything, add the sub file in Wide and LB format, and launch the muxing. The result is what i've described. Video still runs at 30fps according to PDVD, audio is in perfect synch, but subs start a bit late, get in good synch for at least 20mn, and then start getting too early. What i'm gonna try to do, is get different timed subs, add them all and mux again. Then i'll see what subs gets the best synching. I have just one question: NTSC is always perfect 30fps right? when can it be 29.97?

manono posted 2006 Nov 27 21:32

Hi- I have just one question: NTSC is always perfect 30fps right? when can it be 29.97? No, NTSC is always 29.97fps (or, more accurately, 59.94 fields per second). My guess (more educated this time), is that you threw the subs out of synch yourself when you edited them, and that you, knowingly or unknowingly, converted some perfectly good 29.97fps subs to 30fps. If you have 23.976fps (or 29.97fps) subs to begin with, there shouldn't be more to do than, perhaps, adjusting the delay.

aesteban posted 2006 Nov 28 04:28

Haha, okay then maybe i did mess everything up myselft. I'll keep you informed when i've solved it. Thanks again!

aesteban posted 2006 Dec 01 19:29

HI. So it worked, i found some subs that got in perfect synch. And the process of adding was as simple as if i had replaced a subtitle. I just remuxed, and then run Vobblanker with the options turned ON as it was counseled in a reply on the 1st page.

donvitodon posted 2006 Dec 03 15:39

This is a very good forum you guys have here. I'm a beginner at this subtitling and I have a question. I have an avi file with its subtitles that match correctly when played in any of my media players. If I want to burn this file to dvd with its subtitles, which by the way are in idx format, do I have to encode the files first and follow the instructions in the begining of this thread or is there a simpler way to do it? Thanks a lot

aesteban posted 2006 Dec 04 12:43

Hi! Well on the last dvd i made, i've just watched the movie, and i've realized something is fucked up. After a few seconds in each chapter of the movie, the subs i've added get frozen on screen. I get one line of text, and the next one doesn't replace the first one, the first one stays on screen indefinitely. I can only get the subs to work again by deactivating and reactivating them in the menu with rightmouse click. The problem was tested with Pdvd and MPC. I'm really pissed because now the dvd is burned, and it seems i've wasted a DVD9. What has been done wrong in my process? was it something when i used VobBlanker in the end?

manono posted 2006 Dec 04 22:17

Hi- was it something when i used VobBlanker in the end? No, I don't think so. You might test the Muxman authored DVD. I expect it'll have the same problem. So the problem with the first subs wasn't that you messed them up, but that they were messed up to begin with, maybe PAL subs where you needed NTSC subs? If that's the reason they were out of synch, it's something I should have thought of myself. I don't download subs, and sometimes forget that they come in PAL and NTSC varieties. So, I apologize. If you find that the Muxman subs are OK, but after doing the replace thing in VobBlanker they're messed up, you might try again, this time leaving VobBlanker at default settings. I always do the replace that way. I'm not saying that changing some of the settings is bad, but just that I haven't found the need to. If the subs are bad in both the Muxman authored DVD, and in the final DVD made by VobBlanker, I would look at the SUP file you created. I don't create mine as described in the guide, but use completey different methods to go from text based subs to SUP format subs, so someone else might have to help. Good luck.

impulse_16 posted 2006 Dec 07 18:12

HEY GUys its me...i have another problem...here is the thing: I have a dvd with 2 subtitles (english and spanish) the ones in englysh are perfect sync, but the ones in spanish are not....so...i tried to find on the web some subtitles that worked for me, but didnt find any.....i think my only solution is to open the english subtitles and just tranlate them (use the same timing they have). but i cant find a way to open the .suP file of the dvd and convert it into .srt so i can work with it....plz help

manono posted 2006 Dec 07 18:48

Open the DVD in SubRip and OCR the language. If you don't know how, here's a guide: http://www.doom9.org/subrip.htm

qiaoxinger posted 2006 Dec 22 21:23

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fibola posted 2007 Jan 03 13:21

the subtitle is a little bit to low on the screen, if there is one line in the sub his bottom is a little below the screen (cuted) and if there is two subtitle lines the bottom between them is also been cut . how can i modify them to be a little bit higher ?

manono posted 2007 Jan 03 20:06

Hi- Raise your subs using DVDSubEdit: http://download.videohelp.com/DVDSubEdit/UserManual/helpfile.htm Section 2.7

fibola posted 2007 Jan 12 16:23

ok , now im having a new problem i got the the muxman phase and at some point i got this message : Multiplex operation halted Reference to non-existant scene "Segment_1_scn14" from PGC "VTS01_TTL01_PGC1" at the remuxed folder i have those file video_ts 0kb vts_01_0 5kb vts_01_0 5kb vts_01_1 1gb vts_01_2 1gb vts_01_3 1gb vts_01_4 1gb and thats it . whats wrong ?

manono posted 2007 Jan 12 16:35

Remove/Delete the last line of the Celltimes.txt and try again.

fibola posted 2007 Jan 13 03:18

thank you , it worked

taasan posted 2007 Jan 28 02:58

hi!! can anyone help me with the problem?? after i finish with Voblanker somehow my chapter doesn't start the way it was . it start somewhere else ... what can i do about it???

X_Splinter posted 2007 Jan 28 13:00

I'm creating a DVD with maybe 4 videos inside (Menu and chapters too) and i want to add subtitles to the main video. I follow this tutorial and i made it (14 subtitles to the main video and menu & chapters still there) BUT the subtitles displays all in grey and white and in big words and the worse thing is that i can only play the subtitles in a PC and only if i open the main video file. Because if i play the movie from the menu the pc don't find the subtitles. My objective is to creat that Munu, multi video with subtitles whitch works on stand alones DVDs players and with decent subtitles. PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME :( :(

fibola posted 2007 Jan 30 16:04

i got a message of 1 oddities detected, resulting DVD is non-standard. Check log for details 1 oddities detected, resulting DVD is non-standard. Check log for details what can it be ?

manono posted 2007 Jan 30 20:49

I've had that message before, but forget what it meant in my case. Did you check the log (in the root of the C Drive), and did it give more information? I don't think so, though, if my foggy memory is correct. I seem to remember some kind of a major screwup in my case, but, again, I forget. Play the resulting DVD, paying particular attention to audio synch, and if the entire video is there (check the end of it). Check a vob in GSpot, ReStream, Bitrate Viewer, or anything else you can think of, looking for strange things. Play the DVD in PowerDVD or whatever you usually use to test. Maybe burn to DVD-RW and test in your standalone. Otherwise, if it's all there, I guess you're OK. Sorry not to be more specific, but I haven't had that error message for awhile now, and I forget.

mlservello posted 2007 Feb 01 20:22

Hi, I want add portuguese subtitles in LORT - EXTENDED VERSION I follow this tutorial perfecly but my subtitles don´t show in 4:3 letterbox Why? Thanks PS. mux by muxman

fibola posted 2007 Feb 07 04:06

hi , i have 2 problem that im suffering from when i use this guide: 1. according to the guide if i want to add sub and i want it to fit to 16:9 and 4:3 i need to create to sup files and load them to slots 1 and 2 (in muxman) and set the first one to LB and the second to wide. although i do it in the result project i get only 1 subtitle and not 2 . 2. sometimes when i use voblanker in order to save to menu the sub color are changing (as the guide says it would) and sometimes it not changing. in the time it doesnt change everything is ok and im burning to project and have menu. but in the times it do change i get lost with the ifoedit phase and not succeed in changing the color and eventualy i give up and burn the remuxed folder with no menu. 1. why i get 1 subtitle when i load 2 ? 2. is there an other way to change the sub color (not with ifoedit) ? thanx p.s HUGE GUIDE.

manono posted 2007 Feb 07 04:22

Hi- 1. One of the subs is for widescreen TV display, and the other is for 4:3 TV display. Even though you included 2 subs (of the same language), only one will be shown in PowerDVD or by your DVD player. They are supposed to switch automatically. And the first is supposed to be Wide and the second LB. If you have only 2 sub streams and they're for 2 different languages, then each is both Wide and LB, and you'd load each sub and click both Wide and LB. 2. Yes, open the final DVD with the wrong colored subs in PGCEdit. Remember which is the outline color and which is the main color. Double-click the video, and in the new screen you'll see the 4x4 block of colors. In the top row you should see your 2 colors, Click on each and change to whatever you like. OK, Save DVD, and test.

fibola posted 2007 Feb 08 14:41

Yes, open the final DVD with the wrong colored subs in PGCEdit. Remember which is the outline color and which is the main color. Double-click the video, and in the new screen you'll see the 4x4 block of colors. In the top row you should see your 2 colors, Click on each and change to whatever you like. OK, Save DVD, and test. didnt understood nothing ...sorry. can anyone please explain to me phase after phase what should i do in order to fix the color of the sub after the voblanker reauthored ? sorry again.

manono posted 2007 Feb 08 21:09

Come on, man, this isn't rocket science. Did you even try what I described? Open the DVD in PGCEdit. Here I've highlighted the video in the left panel. Then double-click on it: A new screen will open up. Among the things you'll see are the CLUT (Color LookUp Table, or the 4x4 block of colors). 2 of the colors, probably in the top row, will be what you have for the outline and main color of your subs. Click on them one at a time and change the colors. Maybe you want the outline as black and the main color as white or yellow or grey. Whatever. Then, after you have them the way you want, OK your way back to the main screen (the OK button isn't shown in that pic because I cropped it). And then File->Save DVD. Not hard.

fibola posted 2007 Feb 09 01:30

thanx again and sorry for the trouble.

fibola posted 2007 Feb 19 09:05

i tried today to make a backup for Gridiron Gang before i demuxed the movie i chose check a/v delay and there were none. but after remuxed the movie there is an incompatibility in the speech. any suggestion ?

manono posted 2007 Feb 20 03:32

Hi- Gridiron Gang is a Sony release, so it has ARccOS protection. Any asynched audio you got is probably related to your decrypting method. If you didn't use the full RipIt4Me on it, I'd suggest either redoing it from the beginning, or perhaps figuring out the delay and remuxing it, adding in the delay.

fibola posted 2007 Feb 22 10:35

manono as for gridiron gang there were no arccos protection on it and i tried to set the delay for several time (in different numbers ) but it didnt work, anyway i deleted the files and abonded the project. but now i have another issue, which make me wonder if im the only one who have them ? im sorry if im making you trouble but im not making them..... so , in another project i run muxman and got this message : Video decoder buffer underflowed 2 times. Check c:\muxman.log for details. Resulting DVD will probably not play smoothly. Video decoder buffer underflowed 2 times. Check c:\muxman.log for details. Resulting DVD will probably not play smoothly. this is the log file : MuxMan version 0.15P Accepted video I:\New Folder (4)\demuxed\VideoFile.m2v size = 3785447280 Accepted audio I:\New Folder (4)\demuxed\AudioFile_80.ac3 Opened sub 1 file I:\New Folder (4)\demuxed\1.sup. Opened sub 2 file I:\New Folder (4)\demuxed\2.sup. expanded database to 300 entries. 17:53:14 Begin multiplex VTS01. Title Segment List Segment_1 Encoded stream 20 is script stream 1. Encoded stream 21 is script stream 2. Maximum audio duration 487884 fields. Starting scene Segment_1_scn1 at 00:00:00:00 Starting scene Segment_1_scn2 at 00:00:00:15, requested for 00:00:00:01 Starting scene Segment_1_scn3 at 00:05:43:19 Starting scene Segment_1_scn4 at 00:09:45:14, requested for 00:09:45:12 Starting scene Segment_1_scn5 at 00:10:52:16, requested for 00:10:52:11 Starting scene Segment_1_scn6 at 00:15:58:24 Starting scene Segment_1_scn7 at 00:18:24:14 Starting scene Segment_1_scn8 at 00:24:09:14 Starting scene Segment_1_scn9 at 00:28:25:05, requested for 00:28:25:00 Starting scene Segment_1_scn10 at 00:33:05:15, requested for 00:33:05:06 Starting scene Segment_1_scn11 at 00:38:43:09, requested for 00:38:43:07 Starting scene Segment_1_scn12 at 00:47:58:23, requested for 00:47:58:22 Starting scene Segment_1_scn13 at 00:52:23:05 Starting scene Segment_1_scn14 at 00:55:55:05, requested for 00:55:54:21 Starting scene Segment_1_scn15 at 01:00:00:06, requested for 00:59:59:27 Starting scene Segment_1_scn16 at 01:02:24:19, requested for 01:02:24:05 Starting scene Segment_1_scn17 at 01:08:55:19, requested for 01:08:55:05 Starting scene Segment_1_scn18 at 01:11:38:01, requested for 01:11:37:29 Starting scene Segment_1_scn19 at 01:15:46:16, requested for 01:15:46:07 Starting scene Segment_1_scn20 at 01:20:06:10 Starting scene Segment_1_scn21 at 01:22:07:25, requested for 01:22:07:24 Starting scene Segment_1_scn22 at 01:24:45:04, requested for 01:24:45:01 Starting scene Segment_1_scn23 at 01:24:55:05 Starting scene Segment_1_scn24 at 01:28:05:21, requested for 01:28:05:07 P-STD buffer underflow by 15354 bytes at 476214005, sector 1404657. P-STD buffer underflow by 15925 bytes at 476220011, sector 1404698. Starting scene Segment_1_scn25 at 01:31:24:10, requested for 01:31:24:09 Starting scene Segment_1_scn26 at 01:33:48:24, requested for 01:33:48:19 Starting scene Segment_1_scn27 at 01:36:19:20 Starting scene Segment_1_scn28 at 01:41:01:29, requested for 01:41:01:15 Starting scene Segment_1_scn29 at 01:49:02:23, requested for 01:49:02:21 Starting scene Segment_1_scn30 at 02:02:34:16, requested for 02:02:34:07 Starting scene Segment_1_scn31 at 02:15:31:27, requested for 02:15:31:13 End of video file Bytes remaining in buffer = 31279. Bitrate - avg: 4267247, min: 261882 (lba 2120211), max: 9738741 (lba 1404569). Shortest GOP has 9 fields, longest GOP has 38 fields. Fields: 487944, VOBU: 13249, Sectors: 2120219. does it mean anything to you ?? thanx again .

manono posted 2007 Feb 22 11:02

Gridiron Gang does have ARccOS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DVDs_protected_by_ARccoS Buffer underflows are usually the result of setting your max video bitrate too high. If you're using CCE, lower the max bitrate and run another pass.

fibola posted 2007 Feb 22 12:02

thanx i will give it a try.

fibola posted 2007 Feb 22 14:09

does muxman work through cce ? if so where can i define the bitrate i cant find any place in muxman and neither in cce that i can set the bitrate .

manono posted 2007 Feb 22 14:42

So you haven't been inside the "guts" of CCE? Right-click the video and "Edit". And you might try reading your manual. http://www.doom9.org/mpg/cce270.htm

fibola posted 2007 Feb 24 01:00

i lower to max bitrate but still same error.

manono posted 2007 Feb 24 06:37

What did you set for the max video bitrate? And at what's the bitrate of your audio? I suppose you let CCE do the audio and you got WAV audio out of it. If you convert that WAV audio to AC3 using, maybe, Aften, then you can mux and probably not have buffer underflows. Also, from the log above: Shortest GOP has 9 fields, longest GOP has 38 fields. For NTSC, the max can be only 36 fields. If the source AVI is 23.976fps, then make N/M=4, and not the default 5.

fibola posted 2007 Feb 24 07:01

i run couple of tring the lower video bitrate i set was to 4500. (the default is set to 6000) as for the audio i cant touch it since the output is set to wav. from what i understood from you i can maybe convert the wav to ac3 using aften and then run them in muxman . am i correct ?

manono posted 2007 Feb 24 07:45

Yes, you can convert the WAV audio to AC3 using Aften and one of its GUIs. i run couple of tring the lower video bitrate i set was to 4500. I said lower the maximum video bitrate, not the average bitrate. If, for example, the max is set for 9000, then having WAV audio could easily cause buffer underflows. But maybe converting that WAV audio to AC3 using Aften or BeSweet or something will fix your problem.

fibola posted 2007 Mar 08 01:57

hi, i want to use this guide with tv series dvd when u have 4 episode on on dvd . how can i do it , should i demux each one of the episode alone and if so later on the muxman how do i join them all since there is only one place to video and i need to connect each of the sub to the right episode. thanx in advance.

saga_gx posted 2007 Mar 17 14:34

I'm having troubles after I replace the files with Voblanker, the subs play fine but when I replace the pcg , the subs in the reauthored folder plays all grey. Before I replace them the subs were fine. Any idea?

manono posted 2007 Mar 17 21:25

Any idea? Yes, change the colors. There are several ways to do this, but because there's a guide for it, I'd suggest using DVDSubEdit for the job: http://download.videohelp.com/DVDSubEdit/Guides/ChangingColors/Guide.htm

dinderi posted 2007 Mar 22 11:37

Hi, I followed the instruction written by "bluedha" in the first post of this tread, in a part about puting menu back. Started at point 5, as I remuxed files and replaced Chinese subtitles for Polish one, using Padington's method from here http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=245188. Saved new dvd in new folder, using VobBlanker. Following the guide, I replaced all informations about Chinese subs with the parameters connected to the Polish subs. I saved the .ifo files (VIDEO_TS.ifo and VTS_01_0.ifo) with changes. There is no any information in mantioned .ifo files about chinese language, any more. But DVD's menu still shows 'Chinese', instead of 'Polish'. Any other ifo files from the compilation has nothing to do with subtitles. Ofcourse, if I choose Chinese, Polish subs are shown correct. What I might forgot about and how to make the menu to display the word "Polish" instead of "Chinese". Looked into every place in ifo files, of newly created dvd, looking for any remainings of the "chinese" word and found nothing. I kindly ask for any advice, please. video_ts.jpg

manono posted 2007 Mar 22 11:42

Hi- See if this helps: http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?p=1606732#1606732 If your subtitle menu is a static (no motion) menu, you can skip directly to The Easy Way at the bottom of the post. You may need to refer to earlier in the guide, though, for instructions on how to extract the menu.

dinderi posted 2007 Mar 22 13:43

Thank you very much, manono. The link was very helpfull. :) I retouched and repleaced sub-menu's bitmap, and now can see "polish", at subtitles list :).

s_shperberg posted 2007 Apr 04 12:52

Hi there, I didn't manage to active the subtitles witch I added to the dvd. When I play each vob in nero showtime I can see the new subtitles (hebrew lb, hebrew wide) and the original subtitle (swe), but when I play the folder in powerdvd it set all the subtitles as Swe, although it desplay all the subtitles in right click menu (after i used PGCedit to edit the language name to hebrew) original language (sv) Is there anything I can do? Thanks in advance, shahaf

manono posted 2007 Apr 04 20:51

Hi- You can follow this guide to make your Hebrew subs play by default: http://download.videohelp.com/r0lZ/pgcedit/third_party/2cool/subt ... gcedit.htm By the way, the LB and Wide subs are supposed to be in the same SubStream (if the video is 16:9). Your player chooses the correct one based on the TV you have (4:3 or 16:9). You shouldn't have the 2 different Hebrew subs from which to choose. You load them both into the same stream during authoring. If using Muxman, you first load the Wide followed by the LB one. I couldn't tell if you were saying that PowerDVD plays only Swedish subs, even if you choose one of the Hebrew ones, or if you're saying you have to choose the Hebrew ones by clicking in the Subs area. But the problem could be related to you muxing in the Hebrew subs incorrectly.

s_shperberg posted 2007 Apr 05 03:13

manono : I couldn't tell if you were saying that PowerDVD plays only Swedish subs, even if you choose one of the Hebrew ones, or if you're saying you have to choose the Hebrew ones by clicking in the Subs area. But the problem could be related to you muxing in the Hebrew subs incorrectly. PowerDVD play only Swedish subs even if I choose the hebrew one. I didnt used MuxMan to remuxe because it got stuck every time i tried, I used IFOedit in this way: 1. DVD Author > Author new DVD 2. In Video and Audio I loaded the file for the demuxed folder 3. In the Subtitles I first loaded the Swe subtitles (the original) after that the wide screen Heb (x: 0.75) and last I choose the normal Heb subtitles. 4. In "Output Stream" I choose "C:\DVDTemp\remuxed" 5. I clicked OK Is there any problem with that? if not what else could be wrong? Thanks again, shahaf

manono posted 2007 Apr 05 03:31

Is there any problem with that? Only that you're not getting the Wide and LB in the same track. However, I use IFOEdit for authoring sometimes and haven't run into the problem you're describing. I didnt used MuxMan to remuxe because it got stuck every time i tried You're too impatient. It only seems like it freezes. It's really still working, and when it's done, it'll pop up with a message. I encourage you to try it again as it really is the best. Do the subs like this. I'm assuming that the video is 16:9, and there's only one Swedish subtitle file. When loading the subs, tick the "1", load the Swedish one first and hit both the Wide and LB buttons (in that order). Then tick the "2", load the Hebrew Wide, and tick the Wide button. Then tick "3", load the Hebrew LB, and hit the LB button. When done loading everything, you'll notice only 2 subtitle tracks exist, Track 1 and Track 2. That's how it should be. Then after processing everything (be patient), let me know if it plays OK in PowerDVD and in the standalone.

s_shperberg posted 2007 Apr 05 11:14

OK, it worked, except that the new subtitles have a white background (When i generated them in subtitle creator the transp. box was checked) is there a way to fix it? hope its the last time I bother you, shahaf

manono posted 2007 Apr 05 18:55

If there's a big rectangular box of white surrounding the subtitle area, then you can make it transparent again (as well as change the subtitle colors if you wish) in DVDSubEdit. You'll be experimenting in the Subpic Color/Transparency area, playing with the sliders, finding which is the one you want ("b" probably), and then making it transparent again. After you have it set, don't forget to first go Edit->Apply Last Modifications To All, and then File->Save All Modifications. There's a very good User Manual included, or found here: http://download.videohelp.com/DVDSubEdit/UserManual/helpfile.htm You'll want Section 2.2 Good luck.

s_shperberg posted 2007 Apr 06 04:11

It worked! thanks for all the help, Shahaf

om posted 2007 Apr 08 17:35

interesting.. it kind of worked, except that random seek does not work in the reauthored dvd produced by VobBlanker (2.1.3.0 beta10; ff still works; random seek works both in the original and remuxed dvds; all PUOPs are disabled, of course). am I doing something wrong? I guess I'll have to try something else instead of VobBlanker, for now.

om posted 2007 Apr 08 20:54

VobBlanker 2.1.2.0 gives the same result.. random seek still does not work, although everything else looks fine. quite annoying. tried ifoupdate instead of vobblanker, but this does not work at all (crashes with "error 70").

tRAVALO posted 2007 Apr 13 15:05

Errors and more errors. subtitle creator need a codec pack ,that i have donwload but still got the same message MUXMAN give me this message VobBlanker give me this error, when a try to replace the file this message apear when a load the movie

manono posted 2007 Apr 13 15:23

I don't use SubtitleCreator for that, so I don't know. As for Muxman, open the celltimes.txt, remove/delete the last cell number and try again. For VobBlanker, did you use the celltimes.txt to create your cells/chapters in the DVD when you used Muxman? There seems to be a big difference between the number of cells in the replacing DVD and the original DVD. And if you have ILV, you can't use VobBlanker anyway, as it doesn't support it. That's if you try and do a "Replace" in the VTS already marked as "Skip". You'll have to remove the ILV/Angles in your DVD before trying to use it.

tRAVALO posted 2007 Apr 13 15:31

As for Muxman, open the celltimes.txt, remove/delete the last cell number and try again. manono : For VobBlanker, did you use the celltimes.txt to create your cells/chapters in the DVD when you used Muxman? There seems to be a big difference between the number of cells in the replacing DVD and the original DVD. . i dont remenber now manono : And if you have ILV, you can't use VobBlanker anyway, as it doesn't support it. That's if you try and do a "Replace" in the VTS already marked as "Skip". You'll have to remove the ILV/Angles in your DVD before trying to use it. i'm studing this words, thanks

tRAVALO posted 2007 Apr 13 16:17

Manono i dont now what ILV means . If i cant use voblanker ,what sould i use instead ?

manono posted 2007 Apr 13 18:17

ILV stands for (I think) InterLeaVing. I may be wrong about the particulars, but here's the general idea. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. VobBlanker doesn't support replacing or otherwise processing certain kinds of DVDs. Those will be the ones it first warns you about, and then marks certain VTSs as "Skip". Say you have one with both the theatrical version and the director's cut. You choose one or the other in the menu before you watch the movie. That's ILV. Say you choose which language you want, and you get the credits in that language, and there may be credits and sometimes other stuff like signs in different languages. Disney does that a lot. Those are angles and you choose which to play in the menu. VobBlanker can't replace a movie like that. You'll have to remove the ILV or angles before reencoding and then replacing. PGCEdit has a button you can check to remove the ILV/Angles. Open the DVD in PGCEdit, double-click the video, and in the new screen you'll see along the bottom, "Del Angles". I haven't used it for that purpose, but it should provide directions for you to do it.

tRAVALO posted 2007 Apr 13 21:29

Edited: Great ,great news manono!! i have menus ,but not on mi DVD player ,its not so bad cheers :slurp:

tRAVALO posted 2007 Apr 16 08:17

mannono and if i dont want to keep the original subtiles? I dont need to replace the original cause i will burn from the original ,is that right? or is Reauthored ?

manono posted 2007 Apr 16 08:30

Sorry, but I don't understand. If you replace the original subtitles with one for your own language, then they should show up without problem. If you add a new language, keeping whatever is there to begin with, so there's now one more language than you started with, then after doing the "Replace" step using VobBlanker, you'll have to "turn on" the new subs in PGCEdit. I don't know if that answers your question, though.

tRAVALO posted 2007 Apr 16 09:01

if i run the pgc edit to activate or turn on (not get excited) aha ,the subtitle ,then i dont need to run ifoedit after vobblanker process? is that what you mean?

tRAVALO posted 2007 Apr 16 11:55

sorri manono ,for be a pain in the ass , what happen is that it just repeat or duplicate the first subtitle stream that is ,English but seems that have the same hexadecimal number that the portuguese subtitle . so the filme has 4 subs originaly ,i put mine in the 5 and it will dup+licate the first that is the same hexadecimal number . the final project ,should be the original paste ,confirm that? only to be sure im stuck men ,f..this is insane help see: the first and the last one has the same hexadecimal number Im stuck here in this step ...

manono posted 2007 Apr 16 13:37

if i run the pgc edit to activate or turn on (not get excited) aha ,the subtitle ,then i dont need to run ifoedit after vobblanker process? is that what you mean? Yes, that's what I mean. I don't know why anyone uses IFOEdit anymore anyway (except to do a Get VTS Sectors when all done), when PGCEdit is so easy. There's an explanation about how to use PGCEdit farther down on the first page. It's the post by Mystiqq explaining how to replace IFOEdit with PGCEdit in Step 9. PGCEdit has changed somewhat since he made his post,,and here's how you do it these days: Open the final DVD in PGCEdit, double-click on the movie in the left window, turn on the first (or newest) sub by opening it and "Set". If there are already existing subs, move the slider(s) to the next higher number(s), the next number(s) not in use by the other sub stream(s). OK your way out to the main window. Find the green reel of film icon along the top row of icons and click on it. It's going to give you a message about the number of sub streams changing. "Yes", set the language if you wish, Save, and Test. I don't know what that blue pic is. What are you using to author? If it's not Muxman, it should be.

tRAVALO posted 2007 Apr 16 14:44

the blue pic if you click you can see better ,its ifoedit (himself aha. i dont have any words ,for all your assistance , thanks a lot ((god bless you

Janenba posted 2007 Apr 29 14:51

First of all big tnx to matrix who started this thread by providing us an good tutorial to start whit. And a big thanks to manono and all the others for their efforts and contribution. Ive read throughout all the posts up to page 7, and unfortunately i didnt came across someone whit a simalar problem i have. Well, problem is an big word. Ive did everything whit a great succes even synchronizing the subs. But the problem is, when i try to watch my movie i first get to see an small portion of the beginning of the movie like 20 - 30 secs and then it skipps to the menu!!!.. Now, when i select the movie through the menu it plays just fine...!? And it happend for the first time whit a ntsc source. I have done several pal movies whitout a problem. My question is, if theres another way to edit ifo's structure in other programs to maintain the menus and all...?? Its an 29.97fps Ntsc movie that ive demuxed through decrypter Also, its to my understanding that i need an alternative author program to remux and add the original .sup subtitles ,right! Whereas dvdlab fails to load .sup subtitles at the moment. Now, my problem whit those alternative author progams (muxman so far in addition whit vobblanker to keep menus) is that my subtitles going out of synch for some odd reason!!! I dont have that whit Dvdlabpro!!! Well, it costed me 2 days to find out that i needed to create an subtitle stream whit dvdlabpro 1.xx (earlier version) and load the same stream in dvp 2.xx to get the synchronisation right. Something about dvdlabpro 2.xx screwws up my subtitle its synchronisation :evil: I especialy checked chapter by chapter in adition whit subtitle workshop and mediaplayer classic that every subtitle shows at the right timestamp before i finaly re-authored the whole movie. And, the subtitles appears to be correct!! So, if pgedit is the only option left to re-author my movie... 1. How do i add subtitles + keeping the original dvd its menus in pgedit? 2. Can it add .sup subtitles? Many tnx in advance, urs truly Jannenba,

tRAVALO posted 2007 Apr 29 19:12

I found a movie with no color paletts ,dont have subtitles so dont have color paletts ,the subs appear in pink ,its a nice color but i prefer black and white. how can i resolve this ?

tRAVALO posted 2007 Apr 29 19:21

manono : Come on, man, this isn't rocket science. Did you even try what I described? Open the DVD in PGCEdit. Here I've highlighted the video in the left panel. [/img] it's here ,sorry

tRAVALO posted 2007 May 04 04:55

Hi , I have a movie that i can't preview or vizualize in subtitle creator. can anyone help me to resolve this litle problem?

manusse posted 2007 May 15 15:26

You mean a DVD? SubtitleCreator can only play DVDs. Cheers Manusse

tRAVALO posted 2007 May 15 15:49

manusse : You mean a DVD? SubtitleCreator can only play DVDs. Cheers Manusse yes DVD's ,and its a big problem since we can vizualize the movie and the subtitles either

manusse posted 2007 May 15 15:59

Ok, I can help. First let's try to play it without the subtitles on it. Check that Settings -> Overlay subtitles on DVD (experimental) is not checked. If it is, uncheck it. Then choose Settings -> Save Settings. Now to play your DVD, click on the leftmost button just below the preview window and browse to one of your DVD files (any file because SubtitleCreator only needs the folder). Your DVD should play well. If it doesn't, tell me what's happening. If it plays well, tell me also and I explain what's next. Manusse

tRAVALO posted 2007 May 15 16:01

Ok ,manusse i will try later if you dont mind very thankful

tRAVALO posted 2007 May 16 11:45

Manusse , thankx ma friend ,it works allright ,very very nice

tRAVALO posted 2007 May 22 17:30

it tell me now to activat overlay subtitles what should i do, what comes next

daemon22 posted 2007 Jun 06 15:53

I have a problem when usin this methood on one of my movies. Evreything work fine until i replace the original movie with the one in the remuxed folder (using vobblanker) after doing that then the audio and the video dont fit ther is a delay in the audio. In the remuxed folder there is no delay only in the final folder, PGCdemuxed sayes that there is no delay. I have done this with alot of my movies but never get this problem, how can i fix the delay? Please help me.

mega-hawk posted 2007 Jun 09 14:30

I'm going crazy... I use this guide http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=135193 and this guide http://forum.videohelp.com/topic275603.html Now i have 4 folders 1:original 2:demux 3.remuxed 4reauthored 1 is the original movie works fine. 2 is my 3 Demux files (VTS_02_080.ac3 - VTS_02_0.m2v and new.sup) 3 is my remuxed movie with my own addet subtitles on. plays fine and work fine with my new subtitle but without a menu :o/ 4 is the complete movie with menu but without my subtitle So here comes my problem I follow the last guide from step 7. Step 7, 8 and 9a i no problem but then it comes at 9b. ---------------------"-from the guide-"--------------------- b) Open the VTS_TS.IFO from the "reauthored" directory. Go to the same place and modify the values to match the information from remuxed video, by double clicking on the item you want to change. If the number of subtitles were reduced, you can zero out the removed subs. Click on Save button and answer yes when it asks to save .BUP file as well. ----------------------------------------------------------------- i open VTS_TS.IFO from the reauthored movie Go to VMG_VTS_ATRT -> then VTS_1: Number of sub-picture streams in title (VTSTT_VOBS) 0 Why do it not stand 1 or 2 or more? next line is emty and the next line is VTS 2 So can any one please tell me what I do wrong here i'm going crazy

manono posted 2007 Jun 09 21:49

That method described in Step 9 is obsolete. Follow Mystiqq's variation on Step 9 described farther down on the first page of the guide and see if you have better luck: http://forum.videohelp.com/topic275603.html#1363600 PGCEdit has changed a bit since he wrote that. After you add in the subtitle stream, go back out to the main screen and find the icon at the top that looks like a green reel of film. Hit it and it'll say something about a new subtitle. Hit yes, and in the new screen you can choose the language to identify your new subtitle.

mega-hawk posted 2007 Jun 10 03:42

hm... the PgcEdit looks wierd to me. Have never tryed to work with this program before so I guess I need to read some guides on how to use it, can't really find anything in the guide from Mystiqq that I understand and can use :-x maybee some of you know a good guide with pics that I can use?

jaynoname posted 2007 Jun 18 20:55

Hello, Great guide. I’ve used it successfully numerous times. I am having an issue with my current project. This is my first working with PAL. I’m trying to add English subs to the French DVD Perfect Blue. The DVD is 16:9 anamorphic widescreen. But when I demux the video in PGCdemux, the resulting .M2V video is 4:3. I went through the process of making a DVD with Muxman, and the DVD is letterbox. Another issue is with Muxman. Some of the buttons are missing. In the video section I cannot select PS, LB, or Both. When I add my subs, I cannot select PS, LB, or wide. I’ve used this program a number of times, and this has never happened before. I don’t believe it’s the files I’m using. I went back to some old .M2V and .sup files that worked before, but the buttons are still grayed out. Has this happened to anyone else? I’d appreciate any help that anyone can give me. Thanks.

manono posted 2007 Jun 18 21:21

Hi- : The DVD is 16:9 anamorphic widescreen. But when I demux the video in PGCdemux, the resulting .M2V video is 4:3. It's unusual, but not unheard of. The video was encoded as 4:3, but the IFOs were set for 16:9. Since DVD players play the IFOs, it played fine. But when you remux with Muxman, the IFOs it creates take the DAR from the DAR of the video and it then plays wrong. 2 fixes come to mind. 1. Change the M2V from 4:3 to 16:9 before authoring using ReStream. Then you shouldn't have any trouble muxing the way you want, using Muxman. 2. After making the 4:3 DVD, open it in PGCEdit, right-click the video and hit Domain Stream Attributes. Then change it from 4:3 to 16:9 (probably with Automatic Letterbox, instead of the way this pic has it), OK out to the main screen and Save. And test. That way will make it like the retail DVD. This all assumes I understood your problem and what you were asking, not always true.

tRAVALO posted 2007 Jun 21 15:32

manono see if you can help me with subtitle creator _ since manusse is out . i cant vizualize the movie wiht overlay subtitles option on , i allready desactivate that option and i can see the movie now but not the subtitles help me manono thankz

manono posted 2007 Jun 21 18:58

Sorry, tRAVALO, no offense intended to manusse and the excellent SubtitleCreator, but I don't use it for that. When I'm synching subs to a movie, I make a mono 8-bit WAV file of the audio and use SubStation Alpha for the job. I synch to the audio. I wouldn't even know how to use SubtitleCreator as you want to do, much less suggest a fix for your problem.

tRAVALO posted 2007 Jun 24 15:06

i apreciate , allways in front manono you are such a nice guy thankz

manono posted 2007 Jun 24 21:14

How long before this fool is banned?

tRAVALO posted 2007 Jul 05 16:59

manono ,i have the audio in wav format i have substation alpha i run the sound and subtitles . now ,how do i synch the audio with the subs? thankz

manono posted 2007 Jul 05 19:44

Hi- I've been doing it a lot recently. I have a couple of PAL DVDs (one of the Indian classic film Sholay) that don't have English subs, so I've had to add them. You made an 8-bit Mono WAV file, and you got it open OK in SubStation Alpha? You can see the wave form at the top? If so, you're good to go. What I did was to first OCR the subs already on the DVD (some in French) into SSA format using SubRip, opened them in SubStation Alpha, added in the WAV audio, and slowly replaced the lines of dialog one by one with the English subs I wanted. In one case I got the English subs from an inferior R1 DVD that had good English NTSC subs. In the other I got some subs from an online subtitle site, homemade ones. Of course, in neither case could they always be replaced line-for-line. So I often had to change what audio went with which lines of dialog. I would go to a line of dialog, hit "Play Row" to check the timing, and replace it with the English subs. If the timing had to be changed, I'd change the begin (yellow line-left mouse click) and end (red line-right mouse click), and hit "Play Selected". When I got the 2 colored lines where I wanted them, and the English dialog I wanted, I'd hit "Grab Times", and go on to the next line. This is all very tedious work, and I could stand to do only about 100 lines at a time. So, each DVD took about 2-3 weeks of work, off and on. I also made an AVI of the film, so I could easily see who was talking when I needed to. If you don't already have some other subs for the basic timing, then you create the lines yourself, one-by-one, creating the start and end, and typing in or copying-and-pasting in your dialog before "Grab Times", which also grabs the lines of dialog at the same time. There's also a pretty good help file included.

Lure posted 2007 Aug 18 09:25

Hello everybody! I used this guide to add my custom subs to a multi-episode dvd which had no subs at all. It worked fine except for this: each episode has multi angle (2 angles) opening and ending credits. After all the process I've lost the possibility of switching from one angle to the other. Where is the problem? Another thing is that the subs are activated by default when I play the dvd. How can I turn them off so that I can activate them only when I want? Thanx.

carlanga posted 2007 Nov 25 09:49

Hi, i followed succesfully this tutorial many times before, but now i got a problem. A message pops up in muxman when the remux is finished: "1 oddities detected. resulting DVD is non-standard." It becomes stranger: i do the VobBlanker step, and the resulting DVD doesn't have the VIDEO_TS.IFO and VIDEO_TS.BUP files, so i can't preview in PowerDVD. I tried to replace the unexisting files with the ones in the ORIGINAL folder. It played well in the preview, subtitles show up nice, but when i burn the movie to disc, the player won't show the new subtitles. I don't know how to solve this thing, and i will thank any help.

manono posted 2007 Nov 25 12:44

: 1 oddities detected. resulting DVD is non-standard." Check the muxman.log in the root of the C drive for more information. Maybe some GOPs are too big. : I tried to replace the unexisting files with the ones in the ORIGINAL folder. It played well in the preview, subtitles show up nice, but when i burn the movie to disc, the player won't show the new subtitles. I didn't understand that part. What preview? Did you test it while still on the hard drive, like with PowerDVD or somesuch, and you had subs? But after being burned to disc and tested in your standalone, you no longer had subs? This DVD, did it have any subs before? Were you adding subs for the first time? If so, you have to "turn on" the subs in IFOEdit or PGCEdit for them to show up.

carlanga posted 2007 Nov 25 13:26

: I didn't understand that part. What preview? Did you test it while still on the hard drive, like with PowerDVD or somesuch, and you had subs? Yes. : But after being burned to disc and tested in your standalone, you no longer had subs? Exactly, the subs don't show up but the player recognizes that there's a subtitle. : This DVD, did it have any subs before? Yes, i tried replacing the original english subs for spanish ones (that's the reason my english sucks, i'm from Chile). I also tried adding the subs but i get stuck in the same step, because at the end i don´t have the IFO to edit. The original file of the DVD is an ISO image. The thing i find complicated to work with is that VobBlanker isn't making all the files of the DVD, and when the process is finished, i can't preview the result in PowerDVD, that's why i tried to put in the REAUTHORED folder some files of the ORIGINAL folder, although I know this is a wrong thing to do. Here`s the muxman log: MuxMan version 0.15R Accepted video C:\Documents and Settings\Administrador\Mis documentos\DVD CARLOS\DEMUXED\VideoFile.m2v size = 4153155340 Accepted audio C:\Documents and Settings\Administrador\Mis documentos\DVD CARLOS\DEMUXED\AudioFile_80.ac3 Accepted audio C:\Documents and Settings\Administrador\Mis documentos\DVD CARLOS\DEMUXED\AudioFile_81.ac3 Opened sub 1 file D:\SUBS\The.Marriage.Of.Maria.Braun.1979.DVDRip.XviDnew.sup. expanded database to 300 entries. 12:12:14 Begin multiplex VTS01. Title Segment List Segment_1 Encoded stream 20 is script stream 1. Encoded stream 20 is script stream 2. Encoded stream 21 is script stream 3. Maximum audio duration 432900 fields. Starting scene Segment_1_scn1 at 00:00:00:00 Starting scene Segment_1_scn2 at 00:00:12:00 Starting scene Segment_1_scn3 at 00:03:44:04 Starting scene Segment_1_scn4 at 00:07:19:22 Starting scene Segment_1_scn5 at 00:09:16:28 Starting scene Segment_1_scn6 at 00:13:53:29 Starting scene Segment_1_scn7 at 00:18:11:09 Starting scene Segment_1_scn8 at 00:20:21:21 Starting scene Segment_1_scn9 at 00:24:02:09 Starting scene Segment_1_scn10 at 00:28:18:00 Starting scene Segment_1_scn11 at 00:32:10:07 Starting scene Segment_1_scn12 at 00:35:53:06 Starting scene Segment_1_scn13 at 00:40:47:11 Starting scene Segment_1_scn14 at 00:44:50:01 Starting scene Segment_1_scn15 at 00:53:07:18 Starting scene Segment_1_scn16 at 00:54:51:22 Starting scene Segment_1_scn17 at 00:56:49:11 Starting scene Segment_1_scn18 at 01:03:53:04 Starting scene Segment_1_scn19 at 01:10:33:00 Starting scene Segment_1_scn20 at 01:14:02:17 Starting scene Segment_1_scn21 at 01:16:26:06 Starting scene Segment_1_scn22 at 01:20:09:00 Starting scene Segment_1_scn23 at 01:22:41:13 Starting scene Segment_1_scn24 at 01:28:50:25 Starting scene Segment_1_scn25 at 01:34:19:00 Starting scene Segment_1_scn26 at 01:37:45:17 Starting scene Segment_1_scn27 at 01:40:14:15 Starting scene Segment_1_scn28 at 01:43:18:02 Starting scene Segment_1_scn29 at 01:47:04:09 Starting scene Segment_1_scn30 at 01:48:26:07 Starting scene Segment_1_scn31 at 01:54:42:15 Starting scene Segment_1_scn32 at 02:00:13:20 End of video file Bytes remaining in buffer = 0. Bitrate - avg: 5106628, min: 523764 (lba 0), max: 9558697 (lba 2237782). Shortest GOP has 9 fields, longest GOP has 37 fields. Fields: 432900, VOBU: 14277, Sectors: 2251048. Largest GOP of 37 fields exceeds DVD specification of 36, resulting DVD is non-standard. 12:35:26 Begin multiplex VMG. 12:35:26 End multiplex. 1 oddities detected, resulting DVD is non-standard. Check log for details[/s]

manono posted 2007 Nov 25 14:13

Did you see why you got that "oddity" statement? You have GOPs that are too big. It may play OK in your player, or it may stutter. About the subs, I don't know. I had a similar problem once where I sent a DVD to a friend of a movie to which I had added subs. It played fine in PowerDVD and in my standalones, but no subs showed up on his standalone or XBox. Maybe it had to do with the way I made the subs, not really sure. I make them differently now, and give Muxman SST subs, rather than SUP files. I've never used SubtitleWorkshop, and don't know if the problem is related to using it or not, but if you've used it before with no problem, then I don't think so. : I also tried adding the subs but i get stuck in the same step, because at the end i don´t have the IFO to edit. The original file of the DVD is an ISO image. Then how did you do the Replace step in VobBlanker if you don't have the original DVD? Get the DVD out of the ISO and open it in VobBlanker. Every time I've ever used VobBlanker I always get the VIDEO_TS.IFO and VIDEO_TS.BUP files.

carlanga posted 2007 Nov 25 14:33

: I also tried adding the subs but i get stuck in the same step, because at the end i don´t have the IFO to edit. The original file of the DVD is an ISO image. Then how did you do the Replace step in VobBlanker if you don't have the original DVD? Get the DVD out of the ISO and open it in VobBlanker. Every time I've ever used VobBlanker I always get the VIDEO_TS.IFO and VIDEO_TS.BUP files.[/quote] I explained myself badly. I dowloaded the ISO of the dvd; then i converted it to vobs and ifos (with DVDShrink i think). Those files are my ORGINAL folder, not the ISO. I mentioned the ISO because maybe that's the place where the wrongness began, i don't know, i'm speculating. There's obviously a problem with the GOPs but i must recognize that i have no idea what that means and i don't know what's the solution for that problem. Other possibilitie i'm thinking of is to burn the ISO and do the whole process from there. Well, thanks for all your answers, manono, i hope you can teach me how to solve the GOPs issue - or maybe that's on another topic? Sorry, if so.

manono posted 2007 Nov 25 15:20

Well, the only solution to the GOP problem is to reencode the whole thing using smaller GOPs. The idiot that made it in the first place should have done it correctly. It may not be a serious problem, though. It just depends on how your player handles out-of-spec GOP lengths. But it's not related to your subtitle problem.

Sakuya posted 2007 Dec 09 03:58

I encountered a problem. My DVD was a DVD-9 so I had to use DVD Shrink before everything to downsize it to DVD-5. I removed the main movie's AC3 track, leaving 1 DTS track as well as 1 Chinese subtitles. I want to keep all the menus and just add 1 English subtitle stream. At step 7, I used Muxman to add the first sub stream as Chinese and the second stream as English. I selected both streams as LB + Wide. I saved it to the Remuxed folder and opened IFOedit to confirm that there were indeed 2 subtitle streams in the correct order (Chinese, English). I opened the original VIDEO_TS.IFO in VobBlanker and replaced the main movie title and replaced it with the VTS_01_0.IFO from Remuxed. Saved as Reauthored. At step 9 when I opened Reauthored's VIDEO_TS.IFO in IFOedit, it only shows one sub stream and that is the Chinese one. Same results in PGCedit. I don't know what I did wrong. I am certain Remuxed has 2 sub streams. :? Any help is appreciated, thanks.

manono posted 2007 Dec 09 04:31

Hi- Even though both sub streams are in the VOBs, there's only one in the IFOs because that's all there were in the original DVD, so the English one won't play. Follow the instructions in this post to "turn on" your English subs: http://forum.videohelp.com/topic338721.html#1778185

fibola posted 2007 Dec 22 01:07

hi, im tring to add subtitle to a episodes dvd , but when i tring to add all episodes (after attach to each one of them the sub) back together i get this error from voblanker. i done this many time before but never had this problem. anyone know what could it be , and how can i fix it ? vobblanker_log.txt

manono posted 2007 Dec 22 13:20

Hi- I'm not sure I'm knowledgeable enough to be able to pinpoint the error, but it seems to be this: : VTS 03: Replacing PGC 02 by C:\New Folder\video_ts\VTS_01_0.IFO Cells to be replaced =0. Cells in replacing VOB=6 Error: Cell not found Did you perhaps try to replace individual episodes one by one, where the episodes are all in the same PGC together? That is, did you try and replace a 0 MB PGC? Check the size of the original PGCs in VobBlanker. If that's not it and if no one else comes up with the reason for the error, perhaps try the IFO/Vob Editors Forum at Doom9, where the developer hangs out.

fibola posted 2007 Dec 23 02:23

thanx manono . im affraid thats not the case in herem. i replaced the correct episodes . what i do notice in your quote that the VTS 03 (which i understand its refer to the third episode) is tring to replaced by the one in C:\New Folder\video_ts\VTS_01_0.IFO which there lay my first episode. the third one is placed in C:\New Folder (3)\video_ts\VTS_01_0.IFO i tried to see if i was made a mistake by address the replacement to there but i didnt. i try your advise and go to doom9 . thanx again.

tmihai20 posted 2007 Dec 24 03:15

I have posted a method to modifying menus HERE, it is not a tutorial, as I stated before, just some steps to take; now I have another big problem; I modified a DVD without adding the chapter information in Muxman, and it worked like a charm; I noticed the chapters didn't work, so I did the whole thing again; I demuxed the streams with PCGDemux, generating chapter information, then I muxed them back together using MuxMan; but after muxing with Muxman, I get a main movie of only 2 minutes, just the size of the first chapter, although I have the VTS_01_x.VOB files (the ones containing the actual movie); any suggestions, because I'm starting to lose my patience...

manono posted 2007 Dec 24 07:06

: I have posted some tutorial to modifying menus HERE Not exactly. What you did was to use my guide thread for adding some unrelated information of your own. Explaining how to edit a Muxman MXP project file to add in more subtitle languages has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of my guide, and wasted a whole lot of space. The part about editing menu subpics, while useful, is thoroughly (and better) explained in the DVDSubEdit manual. The part with the VobBlanker pics just covers the same ground I did in my guide (and I did it better). I'll thank you to remove your "tutorial" and create your own guide in a different thread. What you did is sometimes called "threadcrapping" and is not appreciated. : I demuxed the streams with PCGDemux, generating chapter information, then I muxed them back together using MuxMan; but after muxing with Muxman, I get a main movie of only 2 minutes, How did you generate the chapter information? Are you talking about the original celltimes text from the original DVD? Or one you created yourself? And if so, what does the celltimes.txt (or whatever you named it) you created look like? I've done this probably a thousand times, sometimes editing the celltimes.txt (as when converting from PAL2NTSC, for example), and sometimes even creating my own, and never had the problem you describe. Now, if you actually created a Muxman DVD with all the chapters and replaced the one with one chapter in VobBlanker using the DVD with the all the new chapters, then of course that will happen. There was only the one chapter in the DVD you opened in VobBlanker, and blank cells are created for the rest. The result will be a movie containing the one new small chapter. Either replace into the original DVD, the one that had chapters, or use PGCEdit to replace the one with no chapters with the new one with chapters. That will keep all the new chapters you added.

tmihai20 posted 2007 Dec 24 07:57

Off-topic (@Manono): First of all, I didn't want to minimize your own tutorial, I felt like I had to share my method with other people; I have edited the post, leaving the parts regarding the menu only. I think those parts are quite relevant. On-topic: The celltimes.txt I used was generated by PCGDemux, I didn't edited the file; the file contains the original celltimes from the DVD; this is the file: : 4273 6523 10674 16264 18669 24414 32581 36083 40242 43674 52250 59710 60997 66088 70119 79576 82654 85956 88939 91015 94801 97450 104526 109657 115386 118792 125474 127680 135280 139406 145592 147629 150375 152400 156913 161615 I noticed that playing the muxed DVD gave me an idea of the result (I opened the VIDEO_TS.IFO file from the muxed DVD I got from Muxman) and I only got 2 minutes of playback, with no menu of course, no matter what program I used. I checked the project made with VobBlanker and It shows all the chapters. The problem is Muxman doesn't import the chapters correctly, maybe because of the manually modified project... I didn't go any further because I got a 2 minutes movie... I think I know what I did wrong; I used the old project, adding the chapters afterwards; I created a new project, added a few subtitles, the video and the audio stream and most important, the chapters; then I manually edited the project to add the other subtitles; by comparing the old and the new project, I noticed that the old project had only 1 PGC cell (although the chapter times were present); weird, but I think it should work now Later edit (VERY VERY Important): When you start a new project in MuxMan, import the chapters FIRST, then the video, the audio streams and the subpictures. I ran into the same problem as I did before, no matter what version of MuxMan I used (I got the first chapter upon playing). I don't know how I fixed it before, maybe I iported the chapters at first, then I did the rest, I just don't remember... If you import the chapters first, then everything will be fine.

manono posted 2007 Dec 25 00:10

: I noticed that the old project had only 1 PGC cell (although the chapter times were present); weird, but I think it should work now Ahh, I should have thought of that. And maybe you should have mentioned that you were using the original MXP, rather than creating a new project and then editing in the extra subtitles from the old MXP. So, Muxman did something similar to what VobBlanker would do (which is why I assumed you were using Vobblanker), giving you back just the one cell. You said all the cells were in there, and if they were all the right length, and Muxman was creating commands to end the DVD after the first cell, you probably could have edited the NAV commands to have it go on and play the rest of the cells, using PGCEdit. But what you did to fix it (creating a new project file, and then editing it) was probably easier, and surely a lot faster. I'm sure that by creating a new MXP and then editing in the subtlte info from the old MXP that it will work for you. Good going.

Golgo13 posted 2007 Dec 26 18:40

So, I'm having some problems over here... The subtitle shows with some wierd colors, but I fixed that with DVDSubEdit, then, when I tried to play on a standalone DVD, the subtitles doens't show. I can change, but it doesn't shows. Again, when I put the reauthored DVD to play on the PC, the subtitles show... What am I doing wrong? Thanks in advance.

tmihai20 posted 2007 Dec 27 02:11

Golgo13 : So, I'm having some problems over here... The subtitle shows with some weird colors... I had the same problem when generating subtitles (SUP Files) with some other software (the subtitles were green and unreadable). Now I use SubtitleCreator to generate them, I think it makes them nice looking. I suggest you go through the whole process again, but use subtitles generated with SubtitleCreator. You can test them using DVDSubEdit before adding them to the DVD, to see if they are alright.

dominikus28 posted 2008 Apr 03 18:58

I tried using this method (described in the firect post how to add subtitle to DVD) but when I got up to MuxMan v0.14g, I couldn't load the subtitles SUP file: it said that the subpicture file was too short. What do I do, what is the problem?

manono posted 2008 Apr 03 20:05

Hi- The first thing I would suggest is an update of your Muxman, as the free version is up to 15R now and yours is quite old. I haven't seen that message before, but if updating doesn't work I would next check out the SUP file to see if it's good. SubtitleCreator and DVDSubEdit can open SUP files and read what's inside. If the subs look OK, then I would next go to the (HD) DVD & Blu-ray Authoring Forum at Doom9 where the Muxman developer (mpucoder) moderates and ask there. You'll have to wait 5 days after registering before you can post. If you created this SUP file yourself then there's probably something wrong with it and Muxman rejects it for very good reasons. If so please explain the SUP file creation steps and maybe I can point you to a better method, one that Muxman will accept. By the way, this guide is fairly old (although maybe still useful). Better is the Method 2 of Baldrick's guide: http://forum.videohelp.com/topic338721.html

tmihai20 posted 2008 Apr 04 09:32

The problem is much simpler. You didn't add the subpicture file as I see in the picture you posted.

manono posted 2008 Apr 04 10:02

No, Muxman didn't accept the SUP file he tried to load, so nothing shows in the SubPictures section.

Khalel posted 2008 Apr 13 19:47

Please somebody help me. I've done everything as the guide, until the part 6 of Vobblanker. Actually, I don't mind of having a subtitle from a language different from what it was supposed to be. But what is happpening to me is that I have no sound in the "reauthored" dvd. The subtitles I have replaced works quite well, but no sound is played. MANONO said "One way it's caused is that the original audio may have been the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th audio stream. When you author, that audio naturally becomes the 1st audio stream. It can easily be fixed using PGCEdit by Disabling whatever stream number the original audio was, and by Setting or turning on the 1st audio stream" but I have no idea how to use the PGCEdit. I download it but I can't find what I should do to "put the audio as first stream". If somebody could help me. Thanks in advance for everyone.

manono posted 2008 Apr 13 19:57

What happens when you play the Muxman authored DVD (before replacing using VobBlanker)? Do you get sound? Maybe the answer is as simple as installing the AC3Filter.

Khalel posted 2008 Apr 13 20:18

But I can play the sound here normally. Until the part of Muxman, I play the movie just for a test and it goes very well. But after the part when I have to replace the VOBs, the sound doesn't play in the newer DVD ( reauthored ),, but the subtitles play very well, even being in the place of the other languages

manono posted 2008 Apr 14 01:14

OK, the Muxman authored DVD plays fine, right? It's only after it's replaced with VobBlanker that you no longer have sound, right? Then you'll have to find out which stream plays by default so you can emulate it in the new DVD. Evidently it's not the first audio stream and evidently you didn't keep all the audio streams. Is that right? When you demuxed the DVD originally you were given 2 or more audio streams, numbered as AudioFile_80.ac3, AudioFile_81.ac3, AudioFile_82.ac3, etc. I guess one of them other than AudioFile_80.ac3 is the default. One way to find out which it is, if you don't already know, is to use PowerDVD and check which of the audio languages is checked when playing the DVD at default settings, the top one, the 2nd one down, the 3rd one down, etc. Let's say you have 3 audio languages and it's the 2nd one that's the default. There are 2 ways to fix it. One is to modify the menu commands so the first one plays by default. I'll assume you know nothing about how to do that. The other is to "fake" having the 2nd one still play by default, even though you now have only one language. Open the DVD in PGCEdit, the finished-but-with-no-sound DVD. Find your movie in the left panel and double-click on it. In the top-middle of the new screen is the "Audio VOB's Streams" box with the original audio streams listed. Again, in this example there were 3 streams originally and it's the second one that was the default. You want to remap them so the original audio stream (Audio stream 1) becomes the one you have (Audio stream 0) . Click on the 0 button and move the slider to 1, followed by "Set". Then click on the 1 button and move the slider to 0, followed by "Set". If there are any streams after the ones you're changing that you want to get rid of entirely, open it/them, move the slider to 0 and "Disable". "OK" out of there and back to the main screen. Up at the top of the main screen is a row of icons, including one that looks like a green reel of film. Hit it. If you lowered the total number of audio streams, as in my example, it'll give you a message about fixing the number of streams. Hit "Yes" and a new screen will open. If you kept the number of streams constant there will be no such message and a new screen will open. There you can set your language correctly, so when using your remote control it'll say Portuguese (pt). At the same time you can also change the subtitle language label that you said became incorrect after replacing one of the languages with your own. "OK" back to the main screen. If you double-click the movie again, the changes as made will look something like this: But remember, this is just an example and I don't know your particular situation. You'll have to use some common sense here and maybe experiment with different possibilities before getting it fixed. Save it (File->Save DVD) and test it out. If the audio still doesn't play, you can go back and change something else. If you really mess up, PGCEdit has saved the original IFOs and you can go back to the way it was originally (File->Backups->Restore backup, or by moving the IFOs from the "PgcEdit_backup" file back into the DVD). Also, I haven't had to do this for a while, although I've done it many times, and I hope I have the procedure explained correctly. Unfortunately, I don't have any multiple audio DVDs on the hard drive with which to test. If it doesn't work, instead of mapping audio stream 0 to 1, try disabling it entirely, so that the result looks like this: Once you get it working OK, don't forget to delete the "PgcEdit_backup" file from your DVD folder before burning to disc. If you want to edit the subtitle menu to replace the name of the language that was there before with your new subtitle language (Portuguese), then maybe my menu editing guide will be of some use to you. I'll assume it's a static menu, as subtitle menus almost always are. You have to do the actual editing yourself, but extracting it and replacing it is very easy. Scroll down to The Easy Way part of the guide: http://forum.videohelp.com/topic313743.html#1606732

Khalel posted 2008 Apr 14 19:27

Manono, thanks for your help, but unfortunately it still didn't work. I tried everything you said, but it is still with no sound. The DVD I'm trying to author has just one sound, just english. What's more interesting is that, in the reauthored version ( that one which doesn't have sound ), there is sound in the menu. But when you play the movie, it becomes mute. I have no more idea for what to do, and this guide is the one I supposed to be the best to follow. I'm still trying, but I don't know what I may have done wrong. My version of Muxman is the premium one, does it mind ? I found something very interesting right now: when I opened an isolated VOB file ( with bsplayer, which is the one I use to play some common videos or musics ) there was sound !! But when I play the DVD itself, then using PowerDVD, there is sound just in the menu, and no sound during the whole movie. If you have any more idea about what may be happening, please, I'll be very gratefull. Thanks in advance.

manono posted 2008 Apr 15 01:10

Damn, all that work for nothing. So, the Muxman authored DVD has audio, but the VobBlanker one doesn't. But when you play a VOB, there's sound. And there was only one audio track to begin with. I'm afraid I don't know. But I have another idea. Do the DVD replacing not in VobBlanker, but in PGCEdit. Open the original DVD in PGCEdit, the DVD before you did the sub switch and before Muxman. Highlight the movie in the left panel - make it grey-looking. Then go File->Replace VTST Titles and follow the instructions. The idea is to replace what was there originally with the Muxman authored one which has the new subs. Just answer "Yes" to that big question. This works only if there is just one title in that particular VTS. With more than one, you can't just replace the one. By the way, here's a guide to changing the audio streams, in case you didn't follow what I was suggesting last time: http://forum.digital-digest.com/showpost.php?p=296707&postcount=1 And step 9 of this guide explains the same thing. An earlier step 4 has you examine the original DVD so you can make the replaced one look the same: http://www.digital-digest.com/~blutach/adding_back_menus/adding_b ... _menus.htm

Khalel posted 2008 Apr 15 19:08

It's incredible. It still didn't work. I replaced just as you said, using PGCEdit, and now the original dvd has no audio. It has the subtitles, has the sound during the menu, but when I play the movie, no sound ! I'm almost becoming crazy with this. One idea I had is pick the movie with sound ( as I said, the movie remuxed has sound, but unfortunately it has no menu ) , and try to rebuild the same menu by myself. Don't you have any other idea of what I may be doing wrong ? Is there any option on either PGCEdit or VobBlanker which takes off the sound ? Just editing this message, I noticed something now very interesting. Look: - If I open the final DVD ( the DVD from having replaced the files, in this case now my last action was replacing with the PGCEdit, as you said ) with PowerDVD and, as I said, no sound during the movie - I open the VOB isolated, yes, there is sound, the only sound which I already supposed it would be - I open the DVD Folder in DVD Shrink, and it says there is no audio in the main movie !!! It says 0 MB in AUDIO option Do you have anything to say about this ? Do you think I should try to force adding the audio ( from the demuxed folder ) into the final DVD, leave the non-menu DVD however working, and try to make a new menu for it like the original one, or any other idea ? Thanks for everything MANONO

manono posted 2008 Apr 15 23:55

Curiouser and curiouser. Try opening both the original DVD and the finished one with PGCEdit to compare what it says about the audio in the PGC Editor (the screen you get to after double-clicking on the video). That was explained in the last guide to which I linked, the one I mentioned about steps 9 and 4. If there are no obvious differences between the 2, then I have no idea why you don't get audio in the finished DVD. There's obviously audio in there, because you hear it when playing the VOBs by themselves. Remember that the audio now is the first stream (Audio VOB Stream 0). Check if it's any different in the original DVD. If there's something else in that same VTS, a different PGC, conceivably it could have claimed Audio VOB Stream 0 and your audio would have had a different stream. You say when opening the finished DVD in DVD Shrink it doesn't show any audio. What about when you open the Muxman authored one? I'm guessing it's going to show the audio. : Is there any option on either PGCEdit or VobBlanker which takes off the sound ? PGCEdit, no. VobBlanker, yes, but you'd have to do it on purpose by hitting the "Strip" button. Because when using VobBlanker for the replace, it's getting its audio information from the original IFO. If something changes (if it becomes a different stream), then you might not get audio, and it might not show up in DVD Shrink. I'm sure there's an easy answer to this, but I don't know what it is. I haven't ever had a problem remotely like yours, and haven't had to explore the possibilities myself. I do have another idea, but first I'd like to know what, if anything, comes from comparing the original with the edited DVD.

Khalel posted 2008 Apr 16 22:34

Well, I tried to open both the original DVD and the reauthored one with PGCEdit, and both of them have really the same PGC Editor screen. Buttons, numbers, everything is the same. I also tried to follow the guide you linked, which says about steps from 4 to 9, and I tried that ( despite I thought it wouldn't work ). As I told you, when I open the reauthored DVD on DVD Shrink, it says there is no audio ( 0 mb ). However, when I open the Muxman DVD ( the remuxed one ) on Shrink, the audio appears normally, there with more than 200 mb. Curiously, the size of the remuxed DVD on Shrink is the same of the reauthored dvd on the same program. How can it be the same size on both tests, but audio appears just in one ? What is the other idea you would have for this ? Thanks a lot

manono posted 2008 Apr 17 07:32

Everything the same, eh? My other idea would probably repeat the same thing. You try it and nothing happens. I'm not any good at reading IFOs, which is probably what is needed here. My next suggestion is to report the problem in the IFO/VOB Editors Forum at Doom9. http://forum.doom9.org/forumdisplay.php?f=50 The developers of both VobBlanker and PGCEdit as well as quite a few experts in this kind of thing hang out there. One will most likely ask to see some IFOs after you report the problem. You'll have to first register at Doom9 and then wait 5 days before being able to post a question. I apologize for not being able to help you with your problem, and thank you for your patience. I'm sure it's something simple to fix, but I can't figure what it is. This thread there is a bit similar to yours: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=136804 My next suggestion would have been to add an STN command, as r0lZ (the PGCEdit developer) suggests in his answer. But with the audio not even showing, I decided that wouldn't work. And blutach's reply right after that suggests the same thing I suggested back at the very beginning, remapping the audio streams. Good luck.

r0lZ posted 2008 Apr 17 10:51

I did recently a test to see if a stream that is not correctly mapped in the PGC Editor can be stripped with Shrink, and I have noticed that Shrink marks it as being 0 byte long. So, I guess that the reauthored DVD has not the right stream number in the PGC. As explained by manono above, it should be 0, and enabled. Try again! If that doesn't work, select the main movie in the left pane of PgcEdit, and go to Info -> PGC. Post the output here. Then go to Info -> Streams, and post the output here as well.

Khalel posted 2008 Apr 20 20:39

Thanks MANONO and everybody for the help. MANONO, I found out an option in PGCEdit which enabled the sound. I can't understand how I hadn't seen it before. But that's ok. Unfortunately, I have now another problem which is being a little weird to solve. I authored a DVD, as I said, which I replaced some subtitles in. The DVD played very well on my computer. The subtitles were shown correctly. However, when I try to play on my standalone dvd player from the sitting room, the DVD plays well, the subtitles are shown correctly, BUT the sound is really really low. Much Much lower than when playing on computer. I have to increase the volume radically just to listen something ( just some sounds, not a good sound ). Do you or does anybody know what may be happening with my authored dvds ? How could I solve this problem ? Thanks a lot in advance

amagrace posted 2008 May 05 12:24

First of all, thanks for the excellent guide. I followed the instruction to add a subtitle to a DVD which does NOT have any original subtitle at all. First attemp failed but after some struggles it finally worked out. I found that I need to update the IFO file (somewhere, cant recall now the exact location) to tell the DVD that subtitle does exist. I am just trying to say that I managed to work through all the steps and made something successfully. And now I am facing another problem. I hope someone are able to help me. The DVD I am working on seems has 2 PGC (I am not really sure if this claim is correct, but I see two VOB files for the same chapter, 1 around 1G and the other about 600M). Again this does not have any subtitle at all but I have the transcript. So I start to create the SRT file with some subtitle edit program (then convert it with subtitle creator) I make the srt file by VOB. Since there are two VOBs, here is my questions: 1. SHould I make one single subtitle file or two, one for each VOB? 2. How should the timer start on the second subtitle file? from zero or continue from the end of the last one? 3. The software I use(can't recall the name out of my head) plays mpg, but not the dvd disk. If one single subtitle file is needed, what tools can I use instead (to tag timers to text transcript file). Also, when I follow the steps to demux the video, PGCDemux only demuxes the first vob. How can I process both VOBS? Thanks

m_tawfik15 posted 2008 Jun 04 14:21

Dear bluedha, First I want to thank you very much for your very useful guide. I used your guide many times successfully to add subtitle in my language to DVD movies that do not have one and play it on my PC. Lately I faced a problem with one movie, I would be appreciated very much if you help me to solve it. My problem is as follows:- A) I used DVDDecrypter and copied every thing to the original directory. B) After that I use –as usual- PGCDemux and found that (VTS_02_0.IFO) is the correct IFO file which shows the correct time as per PgcDemux.jpg image. And I pressed Process, after a short time the program finished its processing. C) However when I checked the resulting files I found that they are very small in size although the original files are 4.30GB, please look at (Original files.jpg), also please look at (Demuxed files.jpg) image. I repeated the procedures again and got the same result. D) I tried to rip the DVD to AVI, but the program detected this file duration as 00:00:00. Any suggestion to solve this problem would be very appreciated Best regards,

vegetaleb posted 2008 Jul 11 15:01

Hello! I have used your guide with ordinary DVDs movies but I have a little problem now: I have the DVD of The Stand which is divided into 2 movies so I have TS_01 and TS_02,what should I do differently to apply new subs to the 2 parts of this same DVD??

GogetaKame posted 2008 Aug 09 01:51

I was using this guide and it worked all the way up until when im looking at the subtitles in subtitle creator, like one of the last parts. for some reason around my subtitles there is a box. Do you know how i can get rid of that with subtitle creator? or some other program? i added a picture so that you can see. http://forum.videohelp.com/images/guides/p1876188/help.bmp

tmihai20 posted 2008 Aug 09 08:17

Did the subtitles look like that when you added them in Subtitle Creator? I had problems with some original subtitles because they had weird colors and my subtitle didn't match those colors. You must have done something, just load the SRT file, change whatever font and color you like and leave them like that. Try generating again the subtitles with Subtitle Creator. I check the subtitles with SubView to see how they really look like. Hope this helps.

SidDan posted 2008 Aug 19 20:58

Hi splendid Guide which I discovered yesterday and I have successfully been able to add a subtitle. But one question regarding LB and Wide: In Muxman I have added 2 streams, one Wide and one LB with different vertical placement. How do I make use of it? The Wide is always displayed, on computer, on 4:3 TV with letterbox. How do I make the LB subtitle to display in Letterbox and have the Wide only kick in on a Widescreen TV of some sort. I have in IFOedit tried to adjust the Movie attributes where I can set it to Automatic Pan&Scan, Automatic Letterbox and Letterboxed (top&botton cropped) *misspelled in IFOedit ;) * No differences. Or... should this be specified when remuxing in Muxman? I´ve noticed the preferences can be changed there aswell; 4:3, 16:9 P/S and LB, 16:9 Only panscan, 16:9 only letterbox. Haven´t tested it there yet tho, but would it make any difference... ¿ The movie I am backing up is Gladiator Extended. In Ifoedit I see in movie attributes of the VTS_01_0.IFO that the 16:9 is selected and Automatic Letterboxed is checked. Perhaps Automatic Pan&Scan cannot be accomplished (Is it pan&scan it is called?) in a movie that originally does not use it? Thanks

fibola posted 2008 Aug 30 04:01

hi, im tring to add subtitles for the series "burn notice" and as i adding subtitles to the second cd (episodes 4-7) i come up against a problem after using the vobblanker when after the vobblanker finished working the subtitle i added was actually missing and all there was , were the original subtitles. i tried to do it twice and same thing happened. ive added many times before subtitles for multi episodes disc before (including the first cd in the that series , episode 1-3) and i dont know what i am doing wrong this time, or what is the problem that causing this . anyone can help me over here ? here is the log file: vobblanker_log.txt

manono posted 2008 Aug 30 06:36

After muxing that episode using Muxman (but before the VobBlanker step), does it have the right subtitles? And if they show up after being muxed with Muxman, did you follow the step in the guide about "turning on" the new subs using IFOEdit? It's a heck of a lot easier to do that in PGCEdit, but the guide is using IFOEdit for that job. Also, I think you did the replacing wrong as the VTS 05 is all messed up. Can you post a pic of the main screen of the original DVD with the VTS 05 highlighted so it appears in the bottom part of the screen? : VTS 05: Replacing PGC 04 by C:\New Folder (5)\video_ts\VTS_01_0.IFO Cells to be replaced =1. Cells in replacing VOB=18 It shouldn't be like that.

fibola posted 2008 Aug 30 07:49

yes the subtitles do have the right sub after muxing using muxman and before vobblanker. as for turning on the new sub , do u mention for the color issue ? if so , i also use pgcedit but the color is changing only after im using vobblanker. so it doesnt matter for this part (if that what you mention for), since after vobblanker finished i got the original subs.

manono posted 2008 Aug 30 10:23

As I suspected, you're replacing the wrong thing. You can only replace PGCs 1 and 2 in that VTS. The others are empty, as you may notice. They have no size and are marked as reused. They only reference the earlier PGCs. This means you have to demux only PGCs 1 and 2, and create the subs for only PGCs 1 and 2. Don't do anything with PGCs 4, 5, 6, and 7. It looks like each of the first 2 PGCs include 2 episodes, assuming this is an episodic DVD of some kind. If you created new subs for each episode separately, you'll have to combine them.

fibola posted 2008 Aug 30 14:33

ok. i demux only pgc 1 and 2 but each one of the contain only 1 episode. maybe its something with the rebuilt the dvd that im doing wrong (with vobblanker) ?

manono posted 2008 Aug 30 22:27

No, according to the VobBlanker pic you uploaded, each of the first 2 PGCs contains 2 episodes. Look at it. The length of PGC 1 is 1:25:38. The first episode's length (from PGC 4) is 42:32. The second episode's length (from PGC 5) is 43:05. Add them up to get the length of PGC 1. Maybe you didn't demux by PGC, but by VOB ID. I don't know, but you did it wrong. There's nothing really wrong with demuxing by VOB ID, if each is an episode. The problem comes when trying to do the replace in VobBlanker as you can't replace by VOB ID, but only by either PGC or by Cell (after hitting the "Cell" button to the right). Also, according to your log, you tried to replace PGCs 4, 5, 6, and 7. You should have been replacing PGCs 1 and 2.

fibola posted 2008 Sep 01 00:11

hi manono . i double checked again (when doing all the process again) the demux was by pgc and not by vob. i also notice the length of the pgc 1 and 2 that is match. but yet again, when demux pgc 1 and 2 i only get 1 video file in the length of 42:32 minutes.

manono posted 2008 Sep 01 00:57

: .but yet again, when demux pgc 1 and 2 i only get 1 video file in the length of 42:32 minutes. VobBlanker doesn't lie. I'm assuming now that you have the retail DVD, although the fact that it's a DVD5 might throw that assumption into doubt. If you downloaded some crap DVD made by an idiot, then anything can happen. Good luck and I'll retire from this discussion. Maybe someone else can help.

fibola posted 2008 Sep 01 01:22

manono . thank you very much for your help. i realy appreciate it, i realy do. keep up the good work , your doing here.

sweetlady66 posted 2008 Oct 05 22:55

hi what i need to know is where am i suppost to get the subtitle for the movie and do you know how to say take a tv show from mexico in spanish and put english subtitles to it thanks

Arcanis01 posted 2008 Nov 10 03:37

: 2. Run PGCDemux. Click Input IFO's 'Browse' button and open the .IFO file that contains your main movie (usually VTS_01_0.IFO, but could be different). Make sure the domain is 'Titles' and that the length of the movie is correct. Note the PGC # shown here. This is the PGC you'll be working on later. Choose "demuxed" as your output directory. Check 'Demux video stream'. Click on 'Check A/V delay'. If the delay is anything other than '0 ms', write it down, as you'll need this info later. Click on 'Process!' to demuliplex. Here is my dvd files list. Main movie is not in just one file. What to do now?

manono posted 2008 Nov 10 04:06

: What to do now? You follow the instructions. Since the main movie is in the VTS_05, then open the VTS_05_0.IFO in PGCDemux and take it from there.

Arcanis01 posted 2008 Nov 10 13:20

Thanx manono, I get it now. :idea: Now I have another problem. :( I do not understand this part. : 5. Run MuxMan. Click on ... button and add your video, audio, and subtitles from the "demuxed" directory. Select ouput folder as "remuxed". If there were any audio delay, put it in here. If you want to keep the original subtitles, load them in the correct order (you can tell the order by the filename: Subpictures_20.sup is the first, Subpictures_21.sup is the second, and so on). If you created 2 streams for a subtitle, add the wide version first and click on wide button. Then for the next stream, add the letterbox version and click on LB button. Make sure that the languages of both streams are the same. If you have just 1 stream, load it and click on both LB and wide. Lastly, goto File->Import Chapter and open CellTimes.txt in the "demuxed" folder. Click on Start. If you get an error, you can try Rejig or IFOEdit to remux, but they can't combine letterbox and wide versions into one stream. As you can see on the picture below, my DVD movie has 11 subtitles, from Subpictures_20.sup to Subpictures_29.sup + my subtitle mysub_lb.sup. Is that right? If it is correct it is confusing that it has 10 subtitles coz when playing that dvd I can only choose 3 subtitles(English, Francis and Spanish) on the menu :!: Well I assumed if I want to keep all subtitles I have to add them all, so I decided to add them all. How to add them all? For every stream one subtitle? So that would be from Stream 1 to Stream 10 + Stream 11 for my own subtitle. Right?

manono posted 2008 Nov 10 21:33

You have 10 original subtitle streams, but only 5 subtitle tracks (plus the new one you're going to create). In such cases (ignoring yours for the moment), one is meant for the Wide stream and the other for the LB stream, for each pair of 2 subs. You loaded each stream once and then hit Wide followed by LB. That's correct most of the time, but not here. Load Subpictures_20.sup, hit Wide. Advance the counter to 2, load Subpictures_21.sup, hit LB Advance the counter to 3, load Subpictures_22.sup, hit Wide Advance the counter to 4, load Subpictures_23.sup, hit LB and so on. Since you have the one you created, and it's to be the same for both Wide and for LB, it gets loaded and then you hit Wide followed by LB. I don't know if you want it first or last. I made it last (the 2a track). By making it last, the original subtitle menu still works for the other languages. When all done the subtitle part of your Muxman screen should look something like this: And thanks for providing just the right amount of information and pictures so I could properly diagnose what was going on. If you do make yours last, don't forget to "turn it on" if adding it back into the original DVD or else you won't see any subs. I have a post somewhere explaining how to do that... http://forum.videohelp.com/topic338721.html#1778185 In my opinion, using PGCEdit for the job of increasing the number of subtitle tracks is easier than the IFOEdit method this guide (which is pretty old now) uses. If you are just going to author and then use the Muxman produced DVD without doing anything else, then about all you'll have to do is fix the colors. This probably doesn't apply to you because it doesn't happen very often, but there's at least a chance that sub 20 is paired with 25 (rather than 21), sub 21 with 26 and so on. To find out definitively, open the original source DVD in PGCEdit, double-click the movie, and in the subtitle part of the new screen you can see how the subs were originally set up. Except for your new subtitle track, you want your final DVD to copy that.

xicudiz posted 2008 Nov 14 16:24

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manono posted 2008 Nov 14 21:13

: I add 22.sup first then click wide,and add 20.sub then click LB.But as you see muxman allways show track 1: W20 LB 20 , not show W22 LB 20 like it should. What you did was to first load 22 and then replace it with 20. In effect you loaded 20 and hit Wide followed by LB. Here's how to do it correctly (I think): Load 22 and hit Wide. Advance the stream number to 2, load 20 and hit LB. Advance the stream number to 3, load 21 and hit Wide followed by LB. Those are some unusually numbered subs, but that PGCEdit picture tells the whole story. Good luck.

xicudiz posted 2008 Nov 16 05:22

Thanks manono !! Now I understood and have got it. You're my hero ^^

ih8win posted 2008 Nov 16 11:18

wOW!!! i got into this bluedha guide to add subtitle in 2006, and with the help of manono, which is pretty active 'till now with all respect :) since then im using this guide, and perfectly worked for me for 99.99% of the DVD's :D i just logged in to see if theres something new, some updates, some shortcuts, maybe with time theres updates for software, some new software that can make process faster.. anything new? im really happy with this guide, and im really surprised its still active and ppl asking questions, means this is no. 1 guide for adding subtitle to DVD :) Thanks for everything

Arcanis01 posted 2008 Nov 17 18:06

Ah geez. I checked remuxed video and they have my added subtitle, but all the subtitles are in pink color. I used DVDSubEdit and changed their color to white but no changes were made :evil: Why did my subtitles change the color? In SubtitleCreator they were white :? thanx in advance

manono posted 2008 Nov 17 22:45

: I used DVDSubEdit and changed their color to white but no changes were made After changing one sub, you have to make the changes take effect for all of them. Go Edit->Apply Last Modifications To All->Apply Changes To Color, followed by File->Save All Modifications. I don't use SubtitleCreator for these things so I don't know what you messed up in there.

draconteus posted 2008 Nov 19 10:32

Hy, this tut is owesome! Thx I've got some problem. The subtitles appear without linebreak. How can i fix it?

vssrini_84 posted 2008 Dec 11 09:21

bluedha : How to add your own subtitle to DVD (keep menu, multi-episode, multi-pgc) hi bluedha, i followed the instructions given by you for creating subtitlte. But after running MUxman. i tried to play the movie as you said, I found no subtitles. when i tried to sort. I find th e only difference.. after loading subpicture to muxman, the file was demuxed SUP.sup instead of what you got demuxed Sub.20. plz assisit me to do the correct thing There are already couple of verty good guides made by TheMatrixx and Paddington. But certain program always produced errors for me and I couldn't make it work. So I tried to find my own way to add a subtitle and I found it! If one of the above guides work for you great, but if not, there is still hope. This guide will let you add your own subtitle while keeping the menu structure and it's also compatible with multi-pgc DVDs. Tools you need: 1. Subtitle Workshop 2. Subtitle Tool 3. Subtitle Creator 4. DVDDecrypter 4. PGCDemux 5. Muxman 6. IFOEdit 7. VobBlanker 8. Software DVD player like PowerDVD for previews Note: You'll need a lot of hard disk space for this project, as you'll be keeping at least 3 versions of your DVD (probably 4). So I suggest creating 4 directories: "original", "demuxed", "remuxed", "reauthored" (I'll be referencing them in this guide). For multi-episode that's in separate .VOB's, create subfolers like "ep1", "ep2", etc. in "demuxed" foler and "remuxed" folder, and use the appropriate folder accordingly. The guide: 1. Run DVDDecrypter and in File mode, copy everything to the "original" directory. Alternatively, you can use DVDShrink. 2. Run PGCDemux. Click Input IFO's 'Browse' button and open the .IFO file that contains your main movie (usually VTS_01_0.IFO, but could be different). Make sure the domain is 'Titles' and that the length of the movie is correct. Note the PGC # shown here. This is the PGC you'll be working on later. Choose "demuxed" as your output directory. Check 'Demux video stream'. Click on 'Check A/V delay'. If the delay is anything other than '0 ms', write it down, as you'll need this info later. Click on 'Process!' to demuliplex. 3. a) Now if you downloaded your subtitle and it is not a .srt file, convert it to .srt using Subtitle Workshop. Just open it in Subtitle Workshop and save it as SubRip file. b) If your subtitle is in a different frame rate, then open it in Subtitle Tool and in Change speed tab, choose the template you want and click on Do it. c) Also while you are here, goto Check consistency tab and click on Check it! button. Make sure there is no error and all you get are the Info:> lines. 4. a) Run Subtitle Creator. Goto File->Open text subtitles and choose the subtitle you'd like to add. Goto File->Open IFO and choose the .IFO of the main movie. This will select the right color palette, video format, etc. Do the usual color/font selection and position adjustment. If you want to check if the subtitle will be in sync, goto Synchronize->Load original SUP and open the .sup file in the "demuxed" folder. Then you can compare the time of each line to make sure the subtitle is in sync. b) If you want to do a simple synchronization, then you can probably get away with linking the first line and the last line then clicking on Synchronize button. But I prefer to use Subtitle Workshop and use it to add/subtract delays. c) Remember that everytime you change your subtitle in any other program, you have to reload it in Subtitle Creator. If you joined more than two subtitles, make sure to check for the synchronization after the join points. If you can get the times difference of less than 300 ms, then you are good. d) If you think you have everything ready, then goto File->Save SUP as... and save it in the "demuxed" directory. If you are adding a subtitle to a 16:9 movie AND you want your movie to display subtitles correctly on both 4:3 TV and 16:9 TV, then you need to create two subtitle streams for each format. For 4:3, you don't have to change anything, save it as mysub_lb.sup (lb for letterbox). But for 16:9, change the X: ratio in Stretch in the right pane to .75, and save it as mysub_wide.sup. 5. Run MuxMan. Click on ... button and add your video, audio, and subtitles from the "demuxed" directory. Select ouput folder as "remuxed". If there were any audio delay, put it in here. If you want to keep the original subtitles, load them in the correct order (you can tell the order by the filename: Subpictures_20.sup is the first, Subpictures_21.sup is the second, and so on). If you created 2 streams for a subtitle, add the wide version first and click on wide button. Then for the next stream, add the letterbox version and click on LB button. Make sure that the languages of both streams are the same. If you have just 1 stream, load it and click on both LB and wide. Lastly, goto File->Import Chapter and open CellTimes.txt in the "demuxed" folder. Click on Start. If you get an error, you can try Rejig or IFOEdit to remux, but they can't combine letterbox and wide versions into one stream. 6. Play the generated file and check if the subtitle displays correctly and in sync. Don't worry about the colors, they will be in correct colors after it's been reauthored. At this point, if you don't want to keep the menu, you can just copy over the color palettes from the original .IFO and burn it. If you want to keep the menu, there are more work to be done. 7. Run VobBlanker. Click Browse of the Input Folder and open the VTS_TS.IFO from the "original" directory. Set output as "reauthored" directory. In the title set, choose the title set that contains your main movie. All the PGC's of that title set will be displayed in the lower table. Click on the main movie (usually PGC 1, but could be different) and click the Replace button. Choose the VTS_01_0.IFO from the "remuxed" directory. For multi-episodes, you need to do this for each episode/vob. Then click on PROCESS!!. A log window pops up to let you know what it is doing. After it's done, close the log and exit. 8. Play your file, if you have REPLACED one of the original subtitles to your own, then your subtitle will show under the language of the subtitle that you had replaced. If you have ADDED a new subtitle, then it won't show because the .IFO's don't know about the new subtitle stream. So you have to manually edit them. Backing up the .IFO's in "reauthored" folder would be a good idea here. 9. a) Run IFOEdit. Open the VTS_TS.IFO from the "remuxed" directory. Click on VMG_VTS_ATRT, in the lower window, scroll down to the VTS of the main movie (in my case, VTS_1). At the end you'll see the subtitle information. Note the number of sub-pictures. Double click on the newly added subtitle (in my case, Sub-picture stream 2), and note the hex numbers shown. b) Open the VTS_TS.IFO from the "reauthored" directory. Go to the same place and modify the values to match the information from remuxed video, by double clicking on the item you want to change. If the number of subtitles were reduced, you can zero out the removed subs. Click on Save button and answer yes when it asks to save .BUP file as well. c) Close and reopen IFOEdit. Open VTS_01_0.IFO from the "remuxed" folder. Click on VTSI_MAT, and in the lower window, scroll down to where subtitle information is shown. Note the properties of the newly added sub. Open the .IFO file that contains the main movie from the "reauthored" folder. Again, goto the same location and modify the values to match the one from "remuxed" by double clicking on the Sub-picture stream attributes. Make sure you also change the Number of sub-picture streams in VTSTT_VOBS to the correct number or your subtitle won't show up! d) In the upper window, click on the .IFO from the "remuxed" folder. Double click on VTS_PGCITI, then click on VTS_PGC_1. Scroll down to the subtitle information. Double click on your sub-picture's status. Press Ctrl+C to copy this value. Go back to the .IFO from the "original" folder, to the same location (PGC number might be different!). Double click the sub-picture's status and press Ctrl+V to paste the value. Again, you can put zero to the subtitles that have been removed. Save the file. Finally, play the file now to see if the new subtitle show up. It should show up and in correct color. 10. Burn it and enjoy! Sorry if this guide seems lacking. Ask questions in this thread and I'll try my best to answer them.

vssrini_84 posted 2008 Dec 11 09:32

i followed the instructons given by you to create subtitle. using Muxman, Vob blanker, .after running muxman, i played the movie. I got a thin line instead of subtitle. Any suggestion to rectify this.

roboroach posted 2008 Dec 18 17:16

how can i add sub. to multi-episode dvd? nobody mentioned this before ?

LSBREWER posted 2009 Jan 02 04:49

I came to this forum looking for directions to add closed captions to an already authoredDVD with menus . The issue wasn't adding the closed captions or even creating the scc file. The trick was preserving the menu structure. I used bluedha's guide that explains the process of adding subtitles, but diverted from the instructions where MuxMan is used. I instead used DVDLab Pro 2 to add line 21 captions by muxing my m2v with a SCC file. I also inserted chapter info into DVD Lab Pro 2 that I obtained from dvd decrypter. I used Vob Blanker to restore the menus, as per bluedha. This produced a DVD with original menus and it played closed captions on set top DVD players. In order to get captions to play on PC based players I had to add a further step using IFOedit to turn on the "CC for line 21" field 1 flag. I really appreciate bluedha's excellent step-bystep guide to subtitles, demuxing, re muxing, and Vobblanking. It was the third such guide I tried before I got the results I needed to re-build the menu based DVD and add closed captions. The directions were crystal clear to even a newbie such as myself. I am very grateful.

PatrickBoat posted 2009 Mar 12 09:34

I have 3 pac files Arabic, English and French of course well done with syncronisation on pal system I'm asking if possible to insert those pac files to dvd so i could get a dvd including a menu in subtitles mentioned above. Hoping that i found an answer asap. Regards.

noelcm posted 2009 Sep 21 23:01

I repeated the procedure many times before I burned rhe dvd. The dvd itself works fine using power dvd on the computer. But subtitles do not display using my sony dvd player. Can anyone advise

LSBREWER posted 2009 Sep 21 23:11

noelcm When you say "The dvd itself works fine using power dvd on the computer" do you mean it plays fine and displays subtitles?

noelcm posted 2009 Sep 22 00:33

Please believe me I am rapped in the speed of your response - I am at my wits end. Yes, both the subtitles (english and thai, primary and secondary) are displayed from the dvd on power dvd on the computer. The dvd itself works fine, sound is fine but none of a months work to create both subtitles on the stand alone player. I have examined the file structure on another dvd that works on the stand alone player and can see no difference - there are no separate sub files on either dvd for example. Please help

LSBREWER posted 2009 Sep 22 00:50

noelcm First, I may not be able to help you. My interest in this thread on this forum, was adding closed captions to a DVD with menus. see my Jan 2 2009 entry above. But, having said that, the problem sounds familar with and issue I had that was resolved with ifoedit. I found a good discussion of the subtitle issue here... http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-47880.html hope this helps, if not get back to us.

noelcm posted 2009 Sep 22 07:23

LS i have gone through the thread you suggested but I can find no leads other than repeating the process and trying again. This does not address the problem of why the dvd works perfectly on power dvd but not on ANY stand alone player - I have tried 4. There has to be a difference, and that has to be the cause of the problem. I cannot see anyone who has had an identical problem

manono posted 2009 Sep 22 08:11

noelcm, is yours a 16:9 DVD? If so, did you add each sub twice when authoring with Muxman, once for 4:3 (LB) and the other for 16:9 (Wide), even if the sub was the same for both? Also, no one uses IFOEdit anymore to 'turn on' the new sub. This is much more easily accomplished using PGCEdit. After doing the 'Replace' step in VobBlanker, let PGCEdit do the rest. I have a post explaining how: http://forum.videohelp.com/topic338721.html#1778185 If this post and that linked post don't give you any clues as to where you went wrong, post some pictures from PGCEdit, similar to the ones in that linked post, so we can study what's going on with your DVD.

noelcm posted 2009 Sep 22 23:45

manono, thanks a mill for your help. The movie is 4:3 Muxman came up with a series of errors so I used Rejig Then reauthored using IFOedit. I could not turn on the subs from the remuxed folder But everything was fine from the reauthored folder - using power dvd I will go through the full procedure again, as you suggest and will let you know the outcome

manono posted 2009 Sep 23 02:05

noelcm : Muxman came up with a series of errors... Then you should address those errors. Read what the Muxman log says (found in the root of the C drive) as it might give you more information about what went wrong. It's far and away the best pure authoring program, much better than something like IFOEdit which is so forgiving that it might produce DVDs that some players won't play properly. As may have happened in your case.

noelcm posted 2009 Sep 23 05:34

Hi manono Same result I used muxman, PGCedit as you suggested played correctly in Power dvd, but no subtitles on the standalone player - warning from muxman again Video decoder buffer underflowed 7 times. VOBblanker log 0errors 0warnings. Did request some audio file corrections To burn nero said remove a noncompliant file VTS_01_0.IFO After removal played correctly on power dvd I noticed this file earlier in the remux folder in addition to the audio and video folders. When I play the new dvd thru power dvd the subtitles display correctly

manono posted 2009 Sep 23 05:58

Buffer underflows, eh? You didn't reencode the video? You used it directly out of PGCDemux? I've read about problems wiith the SUP files produced by SubtitleCreator, but since I don't (and wouldn't) use it for SUP file creation, I have had no first hand experience with the problem. I open SSA subtitle files in MaestroSBT and create SST files which Muxman accepts, and have never had any problems at all. It may be too late for you to start over again so I may not be able to help. Especially since IFOEdit only accepts SUP files as input. One thing you might try is leaving off the original subtitle language and only use the one you created yourself. The reason I suggest that is to try and get rid of the underflow error in Muxman. Then try Muxman again and see if a burned DVD will play in your player. Also, don't burn with Nero, but use the better ImgBurn. Also, you say it doesn't work on your Sony player, but have you had a chance to test it on other players? Can you go to a friend's house and test on a different standalone DVD player? Sony DVD players are notoriously picky about what they'll play and not play, where other players might be more forgiving.

noelcm posted 2009 Sep 24 00:19

Hi manono I started again using DVDshrink to load The whole process ran with no errors. VOBblanker fixed minor items. PCGedit will not recognise both subtitles The buttons in Subpicture decoding streams read 0000 for the first and 0000 for the second. The final movie had one subtitle only although the menu showed both I reran the whole process using IFOedit and the two subtitles worked correctly on Power DVD. But again no subtitles on the stand alone. I shall try DVDlabpro and advise Thanks for your help Hi again manono I have just completed the dvd with both subtitles using DVDlabpro. Both sutitles came up correctly on the standalone. Problem solved Thanks again for your time and effort.

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