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| Baldrick posted 2007 Oct 17 07:19 | ||||||||||||
| This guide will explain how to add new subtitles to a an existing DVD without reconvert any video or audio and keep the original menus. I will eplain two methods, using the subtitle wizard or using each tool separate.
Tools: SubtitleCreator PgcDemux Muxman Vobblanker Ifoedit Preparation If it's a commercial DVD then rip it to your HDD using DVDFab Decrypter first. Install SubtitleCreator and Extract all other tools to a folder. Method 1: Using the Subtitle Creator Wizard, easiest but may not always work as it should. Create or convert your srt subtitles to sup dvd format using Subtitle Creator 1. Open the srt subtitle file or create your own subtitles. ( Optional 2. Open the original dvd movie by open the VTS_01_01.IFO ( you need a mpeg2/dvd decoder ) and you can manually sync the movie. You can also adjust subtitle colors and more. ) 3. File->Save sup as 
Using the DVD AUthoring Wizard in Subtitle Creator 1. Select Tools - > DVD AUthoring, now you have to select the location to the Pgcdemux.exe, muxman.exe and vobblanker. 2. Select the VIDEO_TS from your original DVD. 3. Select output folder, you need a lot free hdd space. 4. Load the new sup that you created above and set langugae 5. Start 
You should now have a new VIDEO_TS folder with vob, ifo and bups. Try play the VIDEO_TS folder with a software player like PowerDVD, WinDVD, MPC(open the VIDEO_TS.ifo file with MPC) and try select the subtitle track. Select the subtitle in the software player menu or on your remote control subtitle button because the menu might not work as it should. 
Last burn the new VIDEO_TS with Nero Burning Rom or ImgBurn. Done. :) Method 2: Using each tool separate if the Subtitle Creator wizard would not work as it should. Demultiplex the audio and video from the DVD using PgcDemux 1. Select the VTS_01_01.IFO from your DVD 2. Select by VOB id and Domain Titles and select the main movie 3. Select Demux video streams, audio streams, subtitle streams and celltimes 
Create or convert your srt subtitles to sup dvd format using Subtitle Creator 1. Open the srt or create your own subtitles. ( Optional 2. Open the original dvd movie by open the VTS_01_01.IFO ( you need a mpeg2/dvd decoder ) and you can manually sync the movie. You can also adjust subtitle colors and more. ) 3. File->Save sup as
Author to a new DVD with Muxman 1. Select the m2v that you got from the Pgcdemux 2. Select the ac3 that you got from the Pgcdemux 3. Select the new sup that you got from the Subtitle Creator, set language 4. Select File->Import chapter and open the celltimes.txt you got from Pgcdemux 5. Output to a new folder 
(Optional) Add back the original menus 1. Open the original DVD VIDEO_TS.IFO file 2. Select output folder 3. Select the main movie title, usually VTS_01 or the biggest file 4. Click replace and open the VTS_01_01.ifo from the Muxman output 
Update ifo files If you used Vobblanker to restore the original menus AND if your DVD didn't contain any subtitles or if you're increasing the total number of subtitle tracks you must also update the ifos. Read here for for a step by step guide how to update the ifo files with subtitle information. You should now have a new VIDEO_TS folder with vob, ifo and bups. Try play the VIDEO_TS folder with a software player like PowerDVD, WinDVD, MPC(open the VIDEO_TS.ifo file with MPC) and try select the subtitle track. Select the subtitle in the software player menu or on your remote control subtitle button because the menu might not work as it should.
Last burn the new VIDEO_TS with Nero Burning Rom or ImgBurn. Done. :) | ||||||||||||
| caesarmarcus posted 2007 Nov 17 12:45 | ||||||||||||
| Your Highness- The Reverend Baldric !
Excuse me my bold behaviour, addressing directly Your Majesty as only a newbie! Good winds have blown me to Your doorstep, since I am begging for Your generous hand, from which all help may come. Following Your irreplaceable tutorial I stuck in one point and it seems, I cannot find a way out from that maze. The trunk I have stumbled against is PGCDemux tool. I haven't NTFS but FAT 32 file system with XPSP2. In some time I will change the computer but now it must work with two systems on two partitions - WIN98SE and the above mentioned XP. There are some virtues to have such a division - recently SubtitleCreator has refused to work any more in XP (nothing helped and I didn't want to reinstall it with the loss of many programs,but I have installed in on WIN98 and here it works! FAT as You know doesn't let create files of more than 4 GB and something. When I put PGCDemux to work in the way You kindly showed in the tutorial it tried to create one big VOB file but the system didn't let him to do this. I ended with a big VOB which tended to be bigger but the system stopped its futher creation. The only way I managed to cooperate with PGCDemux was by selecting its SINGLE CELL mode. As a result I got 14 cells, compared to 7 ones housed by the original DVD. I have muxed each VOB-cell with the appropriate audio track and sup subtitles, which I had prepared in Subtitle Workshop and Creator having synchronized them simultaneously. Then, came the VobBlanker but this one refuses to work properly giving the output that ends with only one VOB - one scene. Here is my question: -What ifos and bups(for futher interaction with VobBlanker) should remain in the "remuxed" folder since Muxman creates them each time it processes individual set of m2V,ac-3, and sup files - as I wrote above I have 14 sets of them. -Should they come from the first or the the last set or maybe they are unnecessary. Each time Muxman completed its work I had to rename the main VOB -VTS_01_1,by exchanging its last digit by 2,3 and so on up to 14,not letting it to be overwritten next time by Muxman again to VTS_01_1. Ifos and bups were, of course,ovewritten. -Maybe the best solution is to get rid of all the sets install XP with NTFS and follow another recipe but what if I don't like to repeat the whole long procedures and,beyond all,use the existing output files? I don't need any menus and chapters in this film,only my new subtitles Any solution, Reverend Baldrick San ? Any mor data from me? | ||||||||||||
| xicoxicao posted 2007 Nov 21 07:13 | ||||||||||||
| Thanks for the guide. You're the man and Black Adder stinks.
I tried the method 1 a got no results and then tried method 2. Playing the new files created with MuxMan in MPC worked wll enough. I could enable and disable subtitles and they played when they were enabled. I then tried to put the original menus back in witn VobBlanker amd the resulting files no longer play as before. The subtitle language options, in the MPC Navigate Menu, is dimmed, and the subtitles don't show. I get the menus of the original though. By the way the original DVD didn't have subtitles :? I did exactly as you suggested in the guide. Where am I going wrong? Thanks for the help | ||||||||||||
| xicoxicao posted 2007 Nov 21 07:53 | ||||||||||||
| No need to bother Baldrick. I got it going with the help of another guide in this site. It said that I needed to edit the new IFO's I got after VobBlanker.
Perhaps you should update your guide with similar information so that other lame guys like me don't fall in the same trap. Thanks anyway. | ||||||||||||
| Baldrick posted 2007 Nov 21 08:03 | ||||||||||||
| It worked in mpc for me without editing the ifos. What exactly did you do? It may help others with same problem and I can update the guide also.
caesarmarcus: Convert to NTFS...I don't know any other solution. :) | ||||||||||||
| xicoxicao posted 2007 Nov 23 03:52 | ||||||||||||
| I followed the advice in the following topic:
http://forum.videohelp.com/topic275603.html?highlight=subtitles%20dvd From what I gathered the problem was that my original didn't have any subtitiles, and when I copied the VTS_01_0.IFO of the remuxed back to the original, which is I believe what is done with VobBlanker, although the subtitles were muxed in, the original VTS_TS.IFO had no way of telling they're there. With IfoEdit you edit the VTS_TS.IFO of the original to tell it that there are subtitles now. Of course, I may be a complete arse, who doesn´t understand this stuff, and got lucky. I'm very new to this anyway. All the best. | ||||||||||||
| Baldrick posted 2007 Nov 23 03:58 | ||||||||||||
| Okey, the DVD I tested with had subtitles in other languagues. Will add something about it to the guide. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2007 Nov 23 06:14 | ||||||||||||
| If you are adding a subtitle for the first time, or if you're increasing the total number of subtitle tracks, then you have to "turn on" the new subs. If you're just replacing one sub with another so that the total number of subs stays the same, then you don't have to do anything. This is more easily accomplished through PGCEdit than with IFOEdit. I've explained the procedure a few times, but here it is with pics:
Open the DVD in PGCEdit: 
Note the green reel of film I've outlined in red. We'll return to that later. Find the video with the new subs. Here I've highlighted it. Double-click on it and you'll be taken to a new PGC Editor screen: 
In this example there are no subs at all. If adding subs where some already exist, then the new one won't be listed. Check under the "Sub-picture VOB's Decoding Streams" section and you'll see no subs listed. If there aren't any in the IFOs, even if they're in the VOBs, when you play the DVD you'll get no subs. Click on the first empty stream. In this example it's number zero, but in the case of a DVD where you're adding a new subtitle language it'll be the first empty number. After clicking on it, in the new subpic streams setup screen hit "Set": 
This is for a 4:3 DVD. If 16:9, you might have to study how the other subs (if any) are done. If this is the first sub language added, and if you made only one sub in Muxman, Track 1: W20 LB20 (sometimes you might have 2, one for wide and one for letterbox), then both wide and letterbox stay at zero. If you muxed in 2 separate tracks , one for wide and the other for letterbox (in Muxman, Track 1: W20 LB21), then wide stays at zero and move the letterbox slider to one. If adding a new sub to a DVD that already has subs, then use the next available number (or the next 2 numbers if you made 2 different subtitle tracks for your 16:9 DVD) after the earlier already used ones for wide and letterbox. A 4:3 DVD has one subtitle track but a 16:9 DVD must have two, even if they're both the same. Yeah, it's a little confusing. Usually you'll use the same number for both, but I wanted to cover all the bases. Many retail 16:9 DVDs with subs have separate ones for the wide and letterbox tracks. After setting the new sub, OK back to the main screen. Remember that red outlined green reel of film in the first pic? Hit it and it'll give you a message about fixing the number of subtitle streams. Answer "Yes" and in the new screen to which it sends you, you can set the language and type of subtitle if you wish: 
Once you've done that, if you double-click on the video again you'll now see the new subs listed: 
In the main screen save the DVD (File->Save DVD is one way) and test it out in PowerDVD before burning to disc. If you find the colors are off, change them in the CLUT (Color LookUp Table) which you reach by double-clicking on the video, taking note of the colors you have now, finding them in the CLUT (the 4x4 color block you'll see - they're usually in the top row), and changing them to the way you like. Get back to the main screen, save, and test it out. If you find you've accidently messed something up, just replace the IFOs that PGCEdit saved for you in the PgcEdit_backup file when you first opened the DVD and start over again. This may look somewhat complicated at first, but once you've done it a couple of times, it'll take all of about 15 seconds. Edited: for clarity (I hope). | ||||||||||||
| harryk posted 2007 Dec 01 02:06 | ||||||||||||
| Thanks so much, Baldrick, for this great guide, and manono for your excellent addendum.
They gave me the courage to try adding some subtitles, which I had been putting off. I feel I am very close now; probably there's one small thing I'm overlooking. My DVD - is NTSC (from Japan) - has no subtitles at all I created English subtitles for it myself using Subtitle Workshop, then converted them to a .sup file in SubtitleCreator. I followed the instructions for Method 2. But after using muxman, when I play the video in either MPC or WinDVD, I still do not see any subtitles. If I am reading the instructions correctly, it would appear that if I do not do the optional VobBlanker step (to retain menus), then I do not need to do the optional IfoEdit step either. Did I understand that right? (I will be happy enough without a menu if I can just get one set of permanent subtitles.) Just in case, I did read manono's addendum on "turning on" subtitles. So I ran PgcEdit on the output folder from muxman (I presume that's what I want to run it on). But it already shows that it has a Sub-picture stream 0 with Wide(1) and Letterbox(0), which I presume was put there by muxman. (If I run PgcEdit on the original, there is none there.) But when I play that same (re-muxed) folder, I get no subtitles, and where the players have a "Subtitle" menu or option, it is grayed out. Any idea what I am missing? I would be very grateful for any help someone can offer. Thank you. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2007 Dec 01 06:56 | ||||||||||||
Yes, that's correct. Did you check the muxman.log to make sure they were muxed in? It's in the root of the C drive. Unless you've used Muxman again since then, (thus overwriting it), if you open it and if something went wrong with the mux, there should be some sort of a message. Next, let's make sure they're there, but not showing up for one reason or another (transparent, maybe, or too low to be seen). Open the VOBs in DVDSubEdit, all of them at once. Do you see them? Checking the SubPic/Transparency slider, is it all the way to the left, to "Clear"? Let's check their position. Does moving the "SubPic Vertical Position" slider bring them up into view? If either of those things helps, then after changing one go into Edit and "Apply Last Modifications To All", before File->Save All Modifications. While in there, you can also change the colors to whatever you like, unless using the PGCEdit method I outlined earlier. If neither helped, make sure the SUP file you made is actually good. Open it in SubtitleCreator (Tools->Manipulate SUP or VobSub->Open Sub) and see if you can read the dialog, and the timings look OK. | ||||||||||||
| rayden54 posted 2007 Dec 01 14:12 | ||||||||||||
| Awesome guide. I can't believe I missed it until now.
I'm having a slightly weird problem using method two. For some reason, VobBlanker keeps putting the last cell at beginning of the movie. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2007 Dec 01 14:46 | ||||||||||||
| That is weird.
After the Muxman step, when you play the DVD does it play OK? What about after the VobBlanker step? Does it play the last cell first, and then play it again at the end where it's supposed to be? If so, can you process it a second time, this time blanking out that first cell? Or does it only play the last cell first, and not at the end later on? If so, about all I can suggest is to, first, compare the source DVD in VobBlanker, with the reencoded one, paying special attention to where the cells might be different, and two, run a Trace in PGCEdit to find out what's going on with the original source DVD, as well as your reencoded one. If you find during the trace that the last cell is being commanded to play first, you can edit the commands to make it play where it's supposed to. That can be a bit tricky, though, if you haven't done anything like that before. | ||||||||||||
| rayden54 posted 2007 Dec 01 17:06 | ||||||||||||
| Yes. The Muxman version is ok.
No. It only plays the cell once. At the beginning. I've got DVDRemake Pro if that helps at all. It's giving me fits too though. After I do a bulk replace with it, nothing can find the subtitles, even though PGCedit says they're there. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2007 Dec 01 18:28 | ||||||||||||
| OK, try this. This will only work, though, if the movie is the only PGC in that particular VTS. If there's a logo, or some extra or something else, it won't work. Open the DVD in PGCEdit - the already VobBlanker processed DVD where that last cell plays first. Highlight the movie. Go File->Replace VTST Titles, and follow the instructions from there. You'll be asked to point to the Muxman muxed movie, say "Yes" to the first question, and OK a move of the current VOBs to backup (to protect yourself). I forget what happens after that as I haven't done this for awhile and didn't want to do anything to the DVD I was testing with. But the several times I did it before it worked great.
When done, the DVD and movie should play as they should. Depending on what was processed in VobBlanker earlier (reencoded extras, removed audio tracks, etc.), you might also be able to do this with the original unprocessed working DVD. And then, if necessary, after you get the reencoded movie the way you like, then process the other stuff that needs processing. Did that make any sense? I can't help if you decide to do it via DVDRemake Pro. Lots of people swear by it, but I find it so counterintuitive as to be pretty much useless to me. I'm sure there are others that will be happy to step in. | ||||||||||||
| rayden54 posted 2007 Dec 01 18:36 | ||||||||||||
| Er. It's kinda not the only movie. Or at least it's not exactly the only movie. Parts of it are repeated. Only one of them actually has a filesize though. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2007 Dec 01 22:11 | ||||||||||||
| Does this thing have ILVUs? Did VobBlanker warn you when you opened the DVD? Did you try and replace one of the PGCs that had a zero MB size?
You can only replace the one that has a real size. And if it has ILVUs, VobBlanker doesn't support DVDs with ILVUs, or angles. You'll have to strip out all but one before working with VobBlanker. | ||||||||||||
| harryk posted 2007 Dec 02 09:35 | ||||||||||||
| Excellent suggestions, manono.
But when I used DvdSubEdit on the VOBs, it does show the subtitles on top of each picture, albeit very low. Even when I tried moving them up to the middle of the picture, they still don't appear when I play the video in either WinDVD or MPC. It seems like some small thing (one bit in the file?) is missing to trigger their being used on playback. Or do I need to do something in the player? Something that might be relevant: when I use WinDVD, it has a "Language" menu that has a 'Subtitle" control labeled "Disable", and the control is greyed out, so that I can't change it. Any idea what I'm still missing? Thanks so much for your help. Harry | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2007 Dec 02 10:20 | ||||||||||||
| I don't have WinDVD installed, and have had problems in the past making them appear when using Media Player Classic as a DVD player. I always test in PowerDVD.
But the subs may not appear by default when just playing the DVD. Just as when playing the DVD in a standalone player you may have to turn them on in the Setup Menu or by using the remote control, so might you have to turn them on when using a software DVD player. Unless you add a menu command to force the subs to play by default: http://download.videohelp.com/r0lZ/pgcedit/third_party/2cool/subt ... gcedit.htm So, can you burn them to a DVD-RW (or maybe waste a DVDR) to test in your standalone? If they show up in DVDSubEdit, you definitely have subs, and they should show up. What happens when you open the DVD in PGCEdit and double-click the video? You can see them, as in my 5th and last picture farther up the thread, can't you? That's the one with the dark 0 0 0 0 where all the other subtitle streams have a greyed out "none". | ||||||||||||
| rayden54 posted 2007 Dec 02 14:21 | ||||||||||||
| What's an ILVU? VobBlanker didn't warn me when I opened the DVD.
No. I didn't try to replace anything with 0 MB filesize. I started completely over last night: re-ripped the DVD and everything. I think I may have gotten it to work, but I still have no idea what was wrong. Edit: I've sort of got it to work. The cells in the right place, but now Nero Showtime is only showing 2 of the three audio tracks. MPC merges those two into one really quiet track but plays the third fine. VLC is also the only player of the three which recognizes the existence of my new subtitle track, although it only sees 1 audio track. Nero recognized the subtitles until I synced them with DVDSubedit. I'll have to burn a test DVD to see what's really going on. Thanks! | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2007 Dec 02 21:47 | ||||||||||||
Interleaving, as when there are multiple angles or seamless branching in the DVD. One example would be when you have both the theatrical version and the director's cut on the same DVD. VobBlanker doesn't support that kind, and all kinds of screwy things can happen if you force it to do the processing without first stripping out one of the angles. But it looks like that's not your problem. Good luck with your test burn. Sometimes you just have to test with your standalone player and TV set to see if everything is working. | ||||||||||||
| rayden54 posted 2007 Dec 03 21:33 | ||||||||||||
| Darn. I've got a DVD with seamless branching (I think) that I was gonna try a PAL/NTSC conversion using VobBlanker and the pulldown method. Now, I guess I'll have to figure something else out.
I've switched back to my audio problem thread, by the way. Stupid DVD. They released separate web only audio commentaries that I'm trying to add as a third track. Then I've got to split them and fix the menus. Why must they be dual-layer DVDs? | ||||||||||||
| giannid posted 2007 Dec 03 21:53 | ||||||||||||
| Thanks Baldrick for the great guide. I had spent most of the day last week trying to substitute a subtitle for another on one of my DVDs but kept getting little but significant errors, then I found this guide.
First I updated the programs as a few of the ones I had were previous versions. I also noticed in PgcDemux, you selected "by VOB id", whereas I had previously selected "by PGC". So I selected "by VOB id" like you have in your example. I followed your guide and the DVD played great, no errors. Thanks again for the guide! | ||||||||||||
| harryk posted 2007 Dec 05 01:57 | ||||||||||||
| manono, thank so much for your ideas. You were quite right. My problem seems to have been with Media Player Classic and WinDVD - either they have problems playing subtitles, or I was just unable to figure out how to turn on subtitles in those programs.
I'm sure that your recommendation of PowerDVD would have worked too. But before downloading that, I tried (just for fun) the standard Microsoft Windows Media Player. And to my surprise, it worked great. It just has a simple menu entry to turn subtitles on/off. Worked as soon as I tried it. Now that I feel confident I've really got subtitles that work, I'm ready to go on to try to burn a DVD! Thanks also to baldrick for this great guide - so much simpler than other ones I had looked at earlier. It's much appreciated. Harry | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2007 Dec 05 02:10 | ||||||||||||
I can imagine your elation when you finally saw the subs on which you had worked so hard suddenly appear for the first time when playing the DVD. I'm sure after burning to disc they'll show up on your TV set, too. Good going. | ||||||||||||
| top_cat posted 2007 Dec 22 21:45 | ||||||||||||
Hi! This guide is very good. I used it to add a subtitle to a film, in my PC, POWERDVD played the new subtitle perfect, but when I put it on my standalone player, it freezes on the firts apperance of the new subtitle. The other subtitle is ok, but the new one freezes and the only way to have it back again is to tunr off the player on its outlet. Are there anyone that can solve this? Thank for any help. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2007 Dec 23 00:25 | ||||||||||||
| Bad news, eh? I don't make my subs using the methods outlined in this guide, so I don't know what the problem might be. What happens if you try them in a different DVD player, like over at a friend's house? Same thing? I've never heard of anything being wrong with the SUP files created by SubtitleCreator.
How about during the Muxman step? If for a 16:9 DVD, did you load each SUP file twice? Open one SUP file and click on Wide followed by LB. Then open the 2nd SUP file and click on Wide followed by LB. Did you do that? The guide is a little bit unclear on that part. If that's not the problem, then I can suggest a different way of making subs for Muxman. | ||||||||||||
| HurriGame posted 2007 Dec 24 04:03 | ||||||||||||
| hye all. i know that this is not the right place to make this post but i didn`t knew where else to put it. so here are my problems .
1. there are some DVD menus that when you go with the mouse cursor over a text from the menu,that text changes his color.i`ll take an exemple so that it will be more easy for you tu understand my problem. let`s say my text is white and when i go with the cursor over it it turns into red . Good. After i make a .bmp of the menu part (whit vob blanker) that i want to edit and edit that part in photoshop by replacing one text whit another after i make the dvd whit vob blanker when i go over the edited text it`s showing what has been there before editing the .bmp ,in red colour. my question is how can i either delete ale those red colours from the texts or how can i also edit the red colour of the text that i edited in my .bmp . here is a picture for you to understand better what i`m saying. 
the red colour that i said as an example is the purple colour from the photo. and 2. how can i change the button of a menu . with what programs and how? for example at some dvd menus the buttons appear like an underline,a rectangle,a square ,etc. ... how can i put what i want there? ... here`s also a picture so you understant what i`m saying 
pls reply. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2007 Dec 24 06:55 | ||||||||||||
Hi-
Both require the same thing; editing the underlying subpic. DVDSubEdit is probably the easiest way to do this, perhaps followed by a quick PGCEdit visit to adjust the button outlines (like if the text changed size, as when the "Romanian" in the first pic became bigger/wider than what was there before). http://download.videohelp.com/DVDSubEdit/UserManual/helpfile.htm Section 4 explains the process. | ||||||||||||
| tmihai20 posted 2007 Dec 24 07:23 | ||||||||||||
| I have found a solution and I posted it HERE | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2007 Dec 25 00:19 | ||||||||||||
I disagree with that. I edit motion M2Vs all the time. You can't do it (easily) for all of them, but there's a class of menu where it's not difficult at all, if you know a little AviSynth: 
This is a menu from an Italian DVD that I edited to add in some English language text. Above the text, where that girl is, that's all moving video, scenes from the movie. The menu editing guide to which you linked doesn't explain how to do that, but by using the information contained in that guide, combined with some encoding and AviSynth knowledge, it's not at all difficult. I suppose you can do similar things using NLEs, but I prefer AviSynth's abilities in this regard. | ||||||||||||
| giannid posted 2008 Jan 03 10:41 | ||||||||||||
Your subtitles may have an error that your computer handles or ignores but your standalone has trouble processing it. I'd download SubtitleWorkshop and have it fix the errors: Open your .srt file with Subtitle Workshop. Hit CTRL+I (information errors will load) Click on Fix Errors, then OK File -> Save As -> choose subrip (for .srt files) Use new .srt file with Subtitle Creator to make your .sup file | ||||||||||||
| goodboy608 posted 2008 Jan 30 13:48 | ||||||||||||
| Thanks for the guide.
I could add subtitles only with using method 2. Remaking my DVD I faced the subtitle synchronization problem. Using tips from Subtitle Creator help don’t solve the problem. In that help advised to do subtitle synchronization by original VTS files or by connecting them to some existing subtitles. When I used the VTSs at the beginning of a movie everything is OK, but after a while synch. mistake appears which became bigger to the end of the move. When I used existing subtitles I found out that they could be wrong done or I could have a difficulty in recognizing sentences. For example, my existing subtitles were in Chinese which I don’t know. From reading the forum I did not find an advice of solving my problem. I believe this problem is not only mine. I understood that synchronization should be done by demuxed VTSs or by video M2V and audio AudioFile_80. I tried to do it using free subtitle editor DSRT http://dsrt.boom.ru/down-eng.htm or http://dsrt.boom.ru/ with use of only AudioFile_80 made with PgcDemux from original VTS files. The result appears to be great and stable! I would like an author of Subtitle Creator made an option to make subtitles synchronization by demuxed VTS files. | ||||||||||||
| shorto posted 2008 Mar 02 17:58 | ||||||||||||
nice guide just one question, I get all black subtitles, If I click the "Use prefered subtitles" that is supposed to fix the problem, my subtitles are a mix of pink, yellow and black. Any ideas? Oh and i?m following the first method...
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| manono posted 2008 Mar 02 19:39 | ||||||||||||
| Open all the VOBs from the finished DVD at once in DVDSubEdit and change the colors. Here's a guide:
http://download.videohelp.com/DVDSubEdit/Guides/ChangingColors/Guide.htm | ||||||||||||
| shorto posted 2008 Mar 03 03:11 | ||||||||||||
| Using DVDSubEdit seems to go fine, but now when I enter the main menu and click play movie, the whole movie freezes... | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Mar 03 11:16 | ||||||||||||
| That's nothing to do with DVDSubEdit, unless you're trying to play the DVD on the hard drive with the VOBs still loaded into DVDSubEdit. | ||||||||||||
| Amerzone posted 2008 Mar 21 22:46 | ||||||||||||
Awesome guide. I have a problem in the Muxman phase. I agree that the guide does not describe this specific step very well, especially for a newbie like me. What I did is : In the original DVD (it's a 16:9), there are 4 subtitle tracks, each one with two identical streams. According to DVDRemake Pro, they are : Track 0 EN : Stream 0 0x20, Stream 1 0x21 Track 1 FR : Stream 2 0x22, Stream 3 0x23 Track 2 ES : Stream 4 0x24, Stream 5 0x25 Track 3 PT : Stream 6 0x26, Stream 7 0x27 They are two streams in each track, one WS, the other is LB, do I understand correctly? The demuxed subtitle streams from PGCDemux are eight files, Subpictures_20 to 27.sup, in 4 pairs of identical files (20-21, 22-23, 24-25, 26-27). The question is, am I picking the correct files in MuxMan? The log I got is : MuxMan version 0.15R Accepted video N:\DVD_DEMUXED\VideoFile.m2v size = 4023501920 Accepted audio N:\DVD_DEMUXED\AudioFile_80.ac3 Opened sub 1 file N:\DVD_DEMUXED\Subpictures_20.sup. Opened sub 2 file N:\DVD_DEMUXED\Subpictures_22.sup. Opened sub 3 file N:\DVD_DEMUXED\Subpictures_24.sup. Opened sub 4 file N:\SYNC_SUBTITLE\my_subtitle-sync.sup. expanded database to 300 entries. Begin multiplex VTS01. Title Segment List Segment_1 Encoded stream 20 is script stream 1. Encoded stream 21 is script stream 2. Encoded stream 22 is script stream 3. Encoded stream 23 is script stream 4. Maximum audio duration 418510 fields. Starting scene Segment_1_scn1 at 00:00:00:00 Starting scene Segment_1_scn2 at 00:00:23:10 Starting scene Segment_1_scn3 at 00:00:36:25 ...... Starting scene Segment_1_scn40 at 01:51:36:21 End of video file Bytes remaining in buffer = 0. Bitrate - avg: 5185759, min: 589234 (lba 0), max: 9722373 (lba 254606). Shortest GOP has 5 fields, longest GOP has 30 fields. Fields: 418506, VOBU: 13828, Sectors: 2209922. Begin multiplex VMG. End multiplex. If I open now the MuxMan VIDEO_TS folder with DVDRemakePro, I get Track 0 EN : Stream 0 0x20 Track 1 FR : Stream 1 0x21 Track 2 ES : Stream 2 0x22 Track 3 GR : Stream 3 0x23 How come that I don't get both WS and LB streams for each track? I probably don't press the Wide / LB buttons in the MuxMan window? (but I did and the track identification says Wide and LB on the left side...) Please, someone clarify this step in more detail. I know I'm very close, I just miss an important detail!
Could you perhaps enlighten us, thanks! | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Mar 22 02:46 | ||||||||||||
Hi-
Yep. I may not have read your long post correctly, but I'm wondering what you did with the original streams 21, 23, 25, and 27, which are the LB streams for each sub track. Did you not use them? The reason I ask is because how you load the subs is dependent on which of the streams you use. Also, what happens when you play the Muxman authored DVD (ignoring the wrong colors for now)? When testing out all the subtitle languages, do you get them all, some of them, none of them? If you're using all 8 streams for the 4 tracks then tick 1, load Stream 0x20, hit Wide. Tick 2, load Stream 0x21, hit LB. Tick 3, load Stream 0x22, hit Wide. Tick 4, load Stream 0x23, hit LB. And so on. If you don't want to use the LB streams, then tick 1, load Stream 0x20, hit Wide followed by hitting LB. Tick 2, load Stream 0x22, hit Wide followed by hitting LB, and so on. Since I don't use DVDRemake, I have no idea if the results will show like the original retail DVD or not. I'm guessing that following the first method will give you results like the retail DVD, and following the 2nd method will give you results like you got. But using either of those 2 methods should get you good subs on both 16:9 and 4:3 TV sets. And from the sound of it, you have a working DVD already, and I'm wondering about the reason for this post. Is it only because it doesn't look the same in DVDRemake as the original DVD?
I'm a little foggy on the details now, but I think the guy to whom I was responding was having trouble with a SUP file he created himself, after creating subs from scratch, and I was going to suggest making SST subs (which Muxman also supports), if he wasn't having any luck with his SUP files. None of that would apply to you, as you're using the SUP files straight from the retail DVD. In addition, he was using one SUP file for both the Wide and LB tracks, where you have one SUP for each. I think you used the Wide SUP files for both the Wide and LB streams. | ||||||||||||
| Amerzone posted 2008 Mar 22 11:51 | ||||||||||||
I am afraid that I did not use them.
I get all the subtitle languages in the DVD produced by MuxMan, but when I replace the PGC in the original DVD in the VobBlanker step, then they are screwed up.
Yes, now I understand what I should do. I have somehow misunderstood how I had to load the streams.
This is what I did.
Sorry, I did not mention that after the VobBlanker phase, the subtitles did not work as I had planned.
Indeed, I did so. Thanks to your valuable help, it now works ok. One more detail : in the final DVD that I get from VobBlanker, my subtitle stream does not appear as Greek (this is the language that I set for the track 4 when muxing with MuxMan), but as Portuguese like in the original DVD. I'm curious, is this normal? I changed the description to Greek with DVDRemake Pro easily. Could you recommend a freeware tool that I could use, instead, to do this change? (sorry for my ignorance...) | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Mar 22 17:44 | ||||||||||||
Hi-
Hehe, if I had bothered to read what steps the guide has you perform I would have realized the problem came after the VobBlanker step. Or if, as you say, you had mentioned the VobBlanker step. Yes, when doing it the way you did initially, which winds up changing things that VobBlanker doesn't know about because it's using the original IFOs, you have to open the completed and funky-sub-playing DVD in PGCEdit and make it right again. It's quite easy to do and I'd give you instructions and pics if you were still having problems.
VobBlanker doesn't use the sub languages in the IFOs Muxman created for you (not at default settings, anyway), but gets them from the original IFOs which showed that sub language as Portuguese. So, even bothering to set the languages in Muxman was a waste of time. Here PGCEdit comes to the rescue again. Open the completed VOBBlanker processed DVD in PGCEdit. First, highlight your video in the left panel. Then, along the top is a row of icons, including one near the right side looking like a green reel of film. Hit it and you'll be taken to a screen where you can change the "pt" to "el". OK your way back out and save. Now you should should be good to go. If you want to actually edit the subtitle menu and replace the "Portuguese" with "Greek", then you might find my menu editing guide useful: http://forum.videohelp.com/topic313743.html#1606732 | ||||||||||||
| Alex_ander posted 2008 Apr 28 10:24 | ||||||||||||
You can use DVDReMake only to replace a PGC or a VTS (in case all menus are outside it) keeping stream data from Muxman. To replace main movie PGC (the case when there's one PGC in a VTS with menu). 1.Import original DVD and Muxman' output as separate projects. 2.Copy post- & pre- (sometimes also cell-) command lists of the original PGC to Muxman version instead of its own lists. 3.(optional if you plan to manually check each chapter number) When you mux back using celltimes file, Muxman will make every cell a program and this often results in more programs than original DVD had (a program often includes more than one cell). Compare Program lists of the 2 projects and remove excessive programs using 'delete program' from right click. 4.Export original PGC CLUT to file, then delete the original PGC with delete key. 5.Copy the PGC from Muxman project and put it to original DVD using 'Add Copied PGCs'. Import CLUT from file, saved at previous step. 6.Register the PGC as VTS title and its programs as chapters. 7.Restore title registration # in VMG and in items shown in red (if any). 8.(optional) Force showing new subtitle using System Set instructions or edit subtitle menu. It's easier than it may seem from reading :). | ||||||||||||
| kapital posted 2008 May 07 13:45 | ||||||||||||
| I use: DVD Shrink, Subtitle Workshop, Subtitle Creator, VOB Blanker or Rejig or IFOedit.
My subtitles are fine when I use VLC player to test the video in the new Video_TS folder. But when I turn the whole thing into an ISO file to burn on a DVD, the subtitles turn green. I did manage the whole thing right at some point, but can't do it now, and can't figure what I am doing differently. Help anyone? Thanks. | ||||||||||||
| Alex_ander posted 2008 May 08 01:34 | ||||||||||||
| Did you edit CLUT in PGCEdit after using VOBBlanker?
VLC often shows the things better than they really are (I can remember even watching a DVD not properly de-CSSed), so I'd also test DVD folders in alternate player like MPC. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 May 08 01:40 | ||||||||||||
| Yeah, let's check out the CLUT (Color LookUp Table). Open the VOBs in DVDSubEdit, or the finished DVD in PGCEdit and double-click on the movie in the left window. I'll bet the CLUT is full of that ugly green color. You can change the colors in either program quite easily, but there's a guide available to doing it using DVDSubEdit:
http://download.videohelp.com/DVDSubEdit/Guides/ChangingColors/Guide.htm | ||||||||||||
| MrProsser posted 2008 May 25 05:54 | ||||||||||||
| I really have to thank everyone for the guides posted here and the posts that come afterwards. I do not know where I would be if it was not for them. That said I have some problems which could very well just be related to my inability to read and definately due to my being very new to this. I imagine this will be a rambling mess but I hope it will be clear enough what I did.
I have a Japanese dvd (no subtitles to begin with and it is 16:9 which adds extra fun to my newbiness as these two things seem to cause extra problems) but my Japanese language skills are not very good so I went looking for subtitles. I found a fansub of the movie, an mkv, and used MKVextractGUI to demux the streams and converted the .ass file to .sub using Subtitle Workshop 4. This is where my first possible issue appears. The mkv video had some extra video at the beginning that I had to remove from the subtitles. I adjusted the time of the first and last spoken line to the correct values making sure that the total time between these was the same as the original mkv file. The first and last times seem to be reasonable and match the DVD timing very well. However I do not know if the frame rate is correct. The FPS Subtitle Workshop automatically picked was 29.997. When I checked the original DVD with GSpot the FPS was 29.970 not 29.997 and the Pics/s was 23.976 (what are Pics/s as opposed to FPS?). Even if I set the FPS in Subtitle workshop to 29.970 by hand when I opened the file in SubtitleCreator to convert it to a sup file it asked me to pick the correct FPS from a list and the closest value was 29.997 anyway. What is the correct thing to do? After following the rest of the instructions for Method 2 without the last step using vobblanker (though I would like the original menus back when I do this for real) I tested the results. I could see the subtitles when I viewed the VOB files using VLC however I could not see them using MPC. Using VLC they were too low and partially cut off but I figure I can fix this using Subtitle Creator and going through the steps again. Here is another problem possibly related to the FPS issue. At the beginning the subtitles agree well with the dialogue but by the end they were slightly out of synch. Not by a large amount but enough to feel strange and obviously not be correct. What might be causing this? Also, is there any way to actually create a new menu to choose the subtitle language and still keep the other menus? Anyway, I am sure I will have many other problems but these issues right at the beginning are causing me concern and I do not know how they affect the rest of the steps. | ||||||||||||
| MrProsser posted 2008 May 25 23:59 | ||||||||||||
| Arg, I see I am totally mistaken about the FPS thing. Subtitle creator lets me pick 29.97 FPS. I guess at 04:00 my brain wasn't working. | ||||||||||||
| MrProsser posted 2008 May 26 06:28 | ||||||||||||
| Okay, I actually managed to get the DVD working, it actually was a FPS problem. However the subtitles still don't show up in Media Player Classic which is my prefered media player. Does anyone actually have any idea why it does not work? | ||||||||||||
| hamany posted 2008 May 27 02:09 | ||||||||||||
| thanks for the guide ..
I did all thing right and my subtitle apears .. i opend the ISO in the PC by VLC player ... it works perfect but whin I burned the ISO to a DVD and open it by the DVD Player .. some thing like FBI Anti-Piracy apeared the movie did not open ... only the trailers :-x How can I remove the FBI Anti-Piracy or crack it :shock: (( sorry .. my language is not well )) 8) AND THANKS :D | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 May 27 02:32 | ||||||||||||
VobBlanker: http://download.videohelp.com/jsoto/guides/VobBlanker/blanking/index.php | ||||||||||||
| hamany posted 2008 May 27 04:17 | ||||||||||||
| Thanks manono
I'll try this :) | ||||||||||||
| hamany posted 2008 May 27 04:58 | ||||||||||||
| i'm tring now .. but i dont think it will works
I have a question .. the blanking should works in the first time whin i used the SubtitleCreator .. is it right ? | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 May 27 11:46 | ||||||||||||
| I'm having a little trouble understanding you, but after you blank something (like the FBI warning screen), you then have to process the DVD. It's not actually gone until the DVD has been processed. You can also fix it so that it doesn't play (but it won't be removed, only skipped over) in PGCEdit by opening the DVD, finding the FBI screen, and then going PGC->Kill PGC Playback. It doesn't have to be processed then, only saved.
I don't know what any of this has to do with SubtitleCreator as I don't use it for whatever you're using it for. | ||||||||||||
| fairman posted 2008 May 30 10:21 | ||||||||||||
| I don't know if this has been answered before but please help me here:
Is there a way to put subtitles to a dvd with many different episodes, a tv series like Babylon 5, and thus several different subtitles to a different episode each and with the right timing. I am trying to put greek subtitles to season 2 and 3 of B5 (original dvds with no greek subs). Thank you! | ||||||||||||
| videobee posted 2008 Jun 11 18:42 | ||||||||||||
| Fascinating forum! I work part-time for a non-profit organization and they have asked me to figure out how to add subtitles to some of the DVD's they have produced. I have read through a lot of the posts on this thread, and am looking for instructions on how to add subtitles when there are none to begin with. I'm not quite clear if I have to create the subtitles first, or does one of these programs create them automatically? And if they can be created automatically, can I edit them for errors later, as some of the language is technical? Thanks ever so much for any help you can give me to get started. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jun 11 18:59 | ||||||||||||
| Hi-
Yes, first you create the subtitles and then you add them into the DVD. The created subs are originally in some sort of a text format before being converted to images (pictures, sort of) for the DVD. Using subtitle creating programs you can type in the text and synch it with the audio of the video, edit it, spell-check it, etc. Here's a list of the various subtitle programs: http://www.videohelp.com/tools/sections/subtitle Some are designed for subtitle creation. Personally, I use SubStation Alpha, but a lot of peole swear by Aegisub, others by SubtitleCreator or Subtitle Workshop. I don't know what to recommend for you, but maybe the ones that come with guides for their use, since you're a rank amateur. :) Once you've created the subs then comes the 2nd part (the relatively easy part) of adding them to the DVD. Making subs isn't all that much fun. I hope for your sake there's not a whole lot of dialog for which the subtitles are needed. Good luck. | ||||||||||||
| ihmcjacky posted 2008 Jun 13 12:53 | ||||||||||||
| Does anyone know the processing speed of the subtitle creator? It seems it is pretty slow, when I try to start the authoring processes, also there are errors when I try to edit the position of the subtitles in the preview window using the system preferred decoder, is this the bug of the subtitle creator? | ||||||||||||
| lfalqueto posted 2008 Jun 19 15:09 | ||||||||||||
| How can I synchronize the DVD subtlite with my .sup before adding it to the DVD? I have added the subtitle, following the first procedure, but the same got unsynchronized and blurred.
Thanks in advance, | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jun 19 22:04 | ||||||||||||
| This will assume that the subtitle is off by the same amount all the way through and you need to apply a simple delay. You can apply the delay to the SUP file in SubtitleCreator. Open SubtitleCreator and go Tools->Manipulate SUP or VobSub->Open Sub (in the new screen, open the SUP file)->Delay (Set the delay)->Save Sub (Save the modified SUP file). You can do the same thing, but this time to the VOBs themselves, using DVDSubEdit.
If the delay gets worse and worse as the movie goes along, then you most likely have a PAL/NTSC mismatch and you have to do other things to fix them. | ||||||||||||
| manusse posted 2008 Jun 21 04:47 | ||||||||||||
| Hi,
About the following question:
Normally SUP creation is pretty fast (less than 1 minute generally). But if you are using the DVD authoring wizard to add a new subtitle stream to an existing DVD, it takes some time because first, the DVD is being demuxed (using pgcdemux) then remuxed (using muxman) and then blanked using vobblanker and those tasks take some time. With my PC (5 years old P2.8GHz), it takes around one hour to complete it on an average DVD. Cheers Manusse | ||||||||||||
| sambat posted 2008 Jul 06 05:55 | ||||||||||||
| Hi, I have used the guide to add subtitles (using method 2) and as long as the original movie uses VTS_01 for the main title it works good.
But when the main title is, e.g. VTS_06 and I replace it with VTS_01 created by Muxman I end up with a truncated version of the movie and a non-functioning menu. My question is, should Vobblanker accept the output from Muxman (VTS_01) and replace existing VTS_06. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 06 07:51 | ||||||||||||
It should and it does. Your problem lies elsewhere. | ||||||||||||
| sambat posted 2008 Jul 06 08:55 | ||||||||||||
| Thank you - I was afraid that was the case.
In 'PGCDemux', if I use 'VOB id' mode, it does not let me select the whole movie (2:18:00) - if I use 'pgc' mode, I can - but that contradicts the guide. In either case it fails at the VOBBlanker stage.  | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 06 09:27 | ||||||||||||
| I just noticed that the guide pic says to choose by VOB ID. I don't use the guide, although I usually add or replace subs similarly, but I haven't ever demuxed by VOB ID. I always demux by PGC, unless I just want a cell for some reason. If you open the original DVD in VobBlanker, the entire movie is contained in a single PGC, isn't it? Then you should be demuxing by PGC.
How does the replacing fail when you've demuxed the entire PGC? Do you still only get part of the movie? And the reauthored movie with the new subs that Muxman made for you, it's complete? Only after doing the replace step does it become shortened? Or does it fail for some other reason? There's another way you can do the replacing, and that's using PGCEdit. But you can only use PGCEdit if that movie is the only PGC in the VTS (as seems to be the case here). Open the original DVD in PGCEdit, highlight the movie to be replaced in the left window, go File->Replace VTST Titles, and follow the instructions from there. This is an Indian movie, isn't it? I only see that 3-VOB ID-for-a-single-movie stuff with Indian movies. :) | ||||||||||||
| sambat posted 2008 Jul 06 12:15 | ||||||||||||
| The movie is 'Master and Commander' and when opened in VobBlanker it shows as one PGC.
After using PGCDemux in 'pgc' mode and loading the files into Muxman, if I also load the 'Celltimes.txt' file, I get this error message at the end of processing (and the output from Muxman cannot be used in Vobblanker because the VIDEO_TS.IFO file is zero size). If I don't import the text file, I can proceed to the end, and open Vobblanker to replace VTS_06 with the new VTS_01 - but the burned disk has no chapters and scene selection from the menu doesn't work.  [/img] | ||||||||||||
| sambat posted 2008 Jul 06 13:35 | ||||||||||||
To follow up, I had been using a rip from DVD Fab HD Decrypter for my test, so to be different I used those files, in and out of DVD Shrink. When I load the Shrinked files into PGC it now shows the entire title in one part. I then ran them through Muxman without error. I will process through Vobblanker and burn to disk, then follow up later. Thank you for nudging me along.  | ||||||||||||
| sambat posted 2008 Jul 06 15:05 | ||||||||||||
| I gave up on this movie.
Switched to 'Rejig' and basically get the same problem. No chapter information in the remuxed video when processed through Vobblanker. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 06 18:55 | ||||||||||||
| Sorry to be late in replying. So, the problem when demuxing by PGC is the Muxman one of it aborting because of the non-existant cell? That's a much different problem than the one you had when demuxing by VOB ID. And, actually, it's not much of a problem at all. Open the Celltimes.txt in Notepad and remove or delete the very last frame number (the last cell). Then reauthor using Muxman (and the edited Celltimes.txt) and replace in VobBlanker.
Master and Commander, eh? Coulda fooled me. :) | ||||||||||||
| sambat posted 2008 Jul 07 11:36 | ||||||||||||
I tried it and it worked - many thanks 8) It went straightforward once that last cell was deleted from the text file. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 07 15:09 | ||||||||||||
| Good, sorry it took so long to solve. I'll go into more detail about that problem, as it's a common one. Do you remember your pic of the 3 VOB IDs farther up? The last one was very short. It's the last cell and very close to the end of the movie. They often do it that way so if you choose the last chapter it almost immediately sends you back to the menu, rather than having to wait through, or fast forward through, the previous chapter (often the credits). But Muxman may not be able to create a cell so close to the end. They have to fall on I-Frames, and there may not be one at that exact place after the reencode. So it aborts. This is a bit of a nuisance, but one easily overcome.
What I do to find if this is going to happen is to open the LogFile.txt PGCDemux creates and have a look at the total framecount:
So, there are 224413 frames at the 29.97fps output framerate (for NTSC). And then open the Celltimes.txt and have a look at the bottom:
The last one is within 15 frames of the end. You can do one of 2 things; either decrease the framenumber by maybe 20 frames (so it's 224378), or just delete it. If deleted there will be no problem with Muxman, but VobBlanker will issue a warning and stick in a blank cell for the missing frame number, which effectively makes it pretty much like it was originally, and there will be no bad effects. | ||||||||||||
| shotokan101 posted 2008 Jul 07 17:45 | ||||||||||||
| Hi,
What are the steps to replace two existing subtitle streams on a dvd - and can the wizard be used ? thanks - great util BTW | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 08 02:56 | ||||||||||||
| Replacing 2 subtitles isn't any harder or different than replacing one. The newest Muxman has a slightly different way to load subs now, but it's nothing you can't easily figure out.
I don't know what wizard you're referring to. | ||||||||||||
| shotokan101 posted 2008 Jul 08 03:34 | ||||||||||||
Hi Manono - thanks for the quick reply. I'm a total "noob" at this so I've only been using the Subtitle Creator Wizard - method 1 from the first post so haven't gotten "down and dirty" with the detailed DVD structure stuff yet..... So my question was really about whether it's possible to replace two (or more) existing language subtitle streams in in "one pass" with the Wizrd method or wheteher you need to run the Wizard "all the way through" twice using the output DVD files from the first pass as the input to the second pass - which would obviously work but is somewhat long-winded and time consuming...... Hope this explains it a bit better :) | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 08 06:01 | ||||||||||||
| Oh, I see now. But I don't know the answer as I don't author with SubtitleCreator, but do it directly in Muxman (Method 2). Manusse would know and maybe he'll show up here. | ||||||||||||
| shotokan101 posted 2008 Jul 08 06:07 | ||||||||||||
| Hope he does - thank for the assistance anyway - if not then I'll have a look at how to use MUXMAN I guess - any tips ? :D | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 08 06:13 | ||||||||||||
| Any tips? Hehe, there's no guide for its use because you don't need one. If you need chapters, you create them by frame number (not time) and if for NTSC, by the 29.97fps output framerate. And you load a Celltimes.txt (created by PGCDemux when demuxing, or gotten from PGCEdit) with File->Import Chapter. Otherwise, load the M2V, the audio (AC3, probably), and your SUP file(s). The only trick there is that if the movie is 16:9 you'll load each SUP file twice. It warns you if not done properly, so there shouldn't be a problem. | ||||||||||||
| shotokan101 posted 2008 Jul 08 06:24 | ||||||||||||
| Thanks - I'll have a look :) | ||||||||||||
| shotokan101 posted 2008 Jul 08 07:53 | ||||||||||||
| Hi again,
Different question - Is it possible to change the Language Type of a Subtitle ? - as in to have it list "Scottish" instead of "English" or are the Language Names "Hard Coded" ? Thanks, Jim | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 08 08:17 | ||||||||||||
| I'm not sure if you want to change the language in the Subtitles Menu, or just the subtitle itself, like when using the remote to choose which you want. Both can be changed.
If there's a Subtitle Menu and you want to change the text to read something other than what it said originally, then have a look at my Menu Editing guide. If the Subs menu is static, then scroll down to The Easy Way portion: http://forum.videohelp.com/topic313743.html#1606732 If you just want to change it so it shows correctly when choosing the language if playing in PowerDVD or using the remote control for the standalone, then wait until you have the final DVD, open it in PGCEdit, highlight the movie in the left window and hit the green reel of film icon in the top right: 
In the new Streams Attributes screen you can set the languages. Hit the Language Codes button if you don't know the abbreviations for your languages. 
OK your way back to the main screen, save your work, and you should be good to go. | ||||||||||||
| shotokan101 posted 2008 Jul 08 08:35 | ||||||||||||
| Thanks again for the quick replies Manono - much appreciated.
That looks "relatively" straightforward - TBH I'm not sure the DVD has a subtiles menu - it's a Japanese DVD with two Subtitle tracks that are "remote" selectable - the DVD simply starts - plays throughy a couple of very short intro scenes and the starts the main movie - no top level menu obvious..... .....So what I was meaning was the Text that displays on-screen when you use the subtitle select button on the remote - and I suppose (assuming it's seperate) the Subtitle Languse Code "en English" (e.g.) thatis displayed in the Subtitle Creator tool for example. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 08 09:36 | ||||||||||||
| Yeah, all languages have a 2 letter abbreviation that's the same whatever tool you use. | ||||||||||||
| shotokan101 posted 2008 Jul 08 09:50 | ||||||||||||
| Thanks - didn't know if that was being "picked up" from the existing DVD structure files or was "hard coded" in the tools.
So does that mean that you can or can't get the "on screen" Language to show as "Scottish" or not using PGCEdit ? (sorry for my thickness) - I've already managed to replace the two original subtitles with English and Scottish (LOL) text versions but at the momement obviously both show onscreen as English during selection. I know that at the meoment this may seem "frivolous" (and indeed such is my initial application ;) ) but in future I might wish to add a Gaelic subtitle for example (or is Gaelic already recognised ? - sorry but don't have access to the actual tools at the moemnt till I get home to check) | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 08 12:20 | ||||||||||||
| According to the language codes, gd is Scots Gaelic. I guess even the obscure ones will show up. Never know till you try, I guess. | ||||||||||||
| shotokan101 posted 2008 Jul 08 12:27 | ||||||||||||
| Thanks Again - I'll use that for now :) | ||||||||||||
| pcb posted 2008 Jul 09 13:05 | ||||||||||||
| hi, i am just using this guide for the first times, using method 2
my source dvd already have 1 subtitle ( english ) , so i want to add 1 subtitle more ( malay ) , so total it will be 2 subtitles, all process go well till vobblanker, but the result is only show malay subtitle , the english sub didn't know why didn't show, any advice ? | ||||||||||||
| shotokan101 posted 2008 Jul 09 18:32 | ||||||||||||
| Hi - new problem :)
Widescreen DVD - as usual using Wizard Mode in Subtitle Creator to add subtitles. I've replaced a second subtitle with one of my own and added a third subtitle as well. Everything is fine when played in s/w dvd player on pc but on my "real" dvd player only the first (original) subtitle is visible - TV is 4:3 and PC player is widescreen. (DVD is widescreen) Any thoughts/suggestions ? | ||||||||||||
| sambat posted 2008 Jul 09 19:13 | ||||||||||||
This guide (steps 8 and 9) refer to the actual position on the screen of the new subs and the language listing of the new subpics when selected from the remote. I had to use both after I added a new subtitle to the DVD after VobBlanker http://www.acfmovies.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=31371 | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 09 20:53 | ||||||||||||
Maybe. Did you add the Malay one first, followed by the English one? If so, you have to "turn on" the new subtitle as the IFOs show only one. There's a link in that guide thread for my method of getting the additional subtitle to show up: http://forum.videohelp.com/topic338721.html#1778185 If you added the English first followed by the Malay subs, then you added the streams incorrectly. If this is a 16:9 DVD, each subtitle has to be added twice, once for 16:9 playback (Widescreen), and once for 4:3 playback (Letterbox). Muxman will warn you if you haven't done it correctly. The guide has a picture of the warnings before the necessary buttons have been selected. The newer version of Muxman has a very slightly different GUI and warning, but it's not hard to figure out. Maybe the second suggestion applies to shotokan101's problem as well. I don't know. | ||||||||||||
| pcb posted 2008 Jul 09 23:52 | ||||||||||||
| thank manono, it is 16.9
i am using muxman 0.15R i have follow this step http://forum.videohelp.com/topic338721.html#1778185 the pgcedit show like this 
so i hit subpicture VOB 1 in my first post i add english first then malay and only show malay sub and the color is normal ,and now i add malay in sub picture 1 & 2 and english in sub picture 3 & 4, and still only show malay and the color is weird  | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 10 02:16 | ||||||||||||
| I didn't quite get all of that. What are you showing me, the DVD after Muxman, or the final DVD after VobBlanker? Open the one after the Muxman authoring step and it had better not look like that. If you loaded the 2 languages of subs correctly, then both the sub streams 0 and 1 should be activated.
Here's how you do the Muxman subs. If a 16:9 DVD, Muxman requires that the SUP file be loaded twice; once for Wide and once for LB. You open the SUP file, then hit "Wide" followed by "LB". Then change the sub stream number to "2" (if using the most recent version 16.6 of Muxman), load the second language, hit "Wide" followed by "LB". Author the DVD. Open it in PGCEdit and confirm you have both languages. Play the DVD in Power DVD. Make sure you can see both languages. When you're sure that works OK, then do the replace step in VobBlanker, and afterwards increase the number of subs from 1 in the original DVD to 2 in the final DVD by using PGCEdit and following the instructions in my post. You can fix the colors in that same screen in PGCEdit by changing them in the CLUT (Color LookUp Table), the 4x4 block of colors, by finding the colors you have now and changing them to the colors you want. It gets tricky sometimes, though, and you might find DVDSubEdit easier: http://download.videohelp.com/DVDSubEdit/Guides/ChangingColors/Guide.htm But forget about the colors after Muxman. What's important is the colors after VobBlanker. | ||||||||||||
| pcb posted 2008 Jul 10 03:21 | ||||||||||||
hi manono, sorry to bother you again
i have done it , and i have check with pgcedit sub streams 0 and 1 is activated, after muxman i test with powerdvd but still english sub didn't show only show malay sub, both of stream show malay sub, i add malay first then english | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 10 05:46 | ||||||||||||
| Both sub streams show as Malay? Then are you sure you have an English SUP file? One way to find out is to open it in SubtitleCreator and check. Or use SUPViewer. | ||||||||||||
| shotokan101 posted 2008 Jul 10 06:10 | ||||||||||||
| Hi - with reference to my last post - I'm going back to basics :) since I suspect my problem is either to do with adding an extra subtitle stream in addition to replacing one of the original two - or - the 16:9 ona non-16:9 TV....
...By the way if you simply added an additional subtitle stream to a DVD with existing subtitle streams WITHOUT following Manono's additional steps what would happen to the existing subtitles when viewed on a standalone player ? ...so what's the best way to check what subtitles and how they are configured on an existing DVD that's been ripped to disk with all menu's etc. ? | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 10 08:12 | ||||||||||||
You just wouldn't be able to play or see the additional subtitle. You'll see only the original count of sub languages. If the original DVD had one sub, that's all you'll see after adding an additional one (or replacing one and adding another). If the count increases, you have to "turn on" any additional ones.
Playing the DVD is one way, and checking the sub languages in PowerDVD or some such. Another is in PGCEdit, in the screen pcb showed. | ||||||||||||
| shotokan101 posted 2008 Jul 10 08:25 | ||||||||||||
| Thanks again - much appreciated :)
...BTW any good links to articles/sites covering the DVD structure stuff ? - I'm still finding the whole "process/concepts" for authoring and remastering etc. totally confusing.... :oops: | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 10 11:03 | ||||||||||||
| mpucoder (the Muxman developer) has some good articles on his site, but you'll have to sign up to see them:
http://www.mpucoder.com/guides/ Otherwise, most of what I know comes from fooling around in PGCEdit and general experience. Maybe the DVDDemystified FAQ: http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html I'm sure other people have other suggestions. | ||||||||||||
| shotokan101 posted 2008 Jul 10 11:23 | ||||||||||||
| ONce again - many thanks - I'll check those links out and no doubt be back with more stupid questions :D | ||||||||||||
| pcb posted 2008 Jul 11 00:22 | ||||||||||||
| hi manono, yah you right , i used wrong sup, that explain why english didn't show up, now if i add english first then malay, the malay sub didn't show up, but if i add malay first then english , both of the subs show up, but my problem when i test with powerdvd , i choose english sub it show malay, i choose malay it show english sub
and the color of malay still weird, i fix it in pgcedit, but the position of malay sub is out of range, so i tried fix it in dvdsubedit open full domain - select ifo - adjust position in subpic vertical position - apply last modification to all - save all modification i test with powerdvd - when i select play button it goes to scene menu not play the movie | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 11 01:22 | ||||||||||||
Change the labels so what you choose is what you get.
That's nothing to do with DVDSubEdit. I don't know what (else) you messed up along the way.
I thought you were fixing subtitle colors. You got the colors fixed OK then? | ||||||||||||
| pcb posted 2008 Jul 11 02:24 | ||||||||||||
| after muxman and vob blanker so far good, test it with power dvd all no problem except the color and sub position is out of range, i mean i test the play, scene, setup button is no prolem
but now i have problem the position of malay sub is out of range very bottom of powerdvd layer so i can't see the sub , i tried to fix the position using dvdsubedit with this method open full domain - select ifo - adjust position in subpic vertical position - apply last modification to all - save all modification then after fix the sub position with dvdsubedit, then i check with powerdvd when i press play button it goes straight to scene menu not play the movie instead i mean when we press play button it have to play movie when we press scene button it have to go to scene selection menu, right ? but in my case after fixing position with dvdsubedit it didn't go with that way so sorry my english is not very good | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 11 05:00 | ||||||||||||
It sounds as if you did everything right. Sorry, but I don't know the reason for your problem, or the answer. Maybe ask jeanl over at Doom9 IFO/VOB Editors Forum. | ||||||||||||
| vegetaleb posted 2008 Jul 11 14:57 | ||||||||||||
| Hello!
I have used your guide with ordinary DVDs movies but I have a little problem now: I have the DVD of The Stand which is divided into 2 movies so I have TS_01 and TS_02,what should I do differently to apply new subs to the 2 parts of this same DVD?? | ||||||||||||
| pcb posted 2008 Jul 13 23:47 | ||||||||||||
| hi manono, i think i had fix my problem , sub position
i done it with subtitle creator Thanks a lot for all your helping , much appreciated | ||||||||||||
| aBlin0 posted 2008 Jul 28 12:15 | ||||||||||||
| I added Spanish subtitles to a Japanese DVD without subtitles using this guide. They function perfectly when I play the DVD using Power DVD in my computer, but my standalone player can't play it because a message appears saying "This player can´t play this kind of DVD" or something like that. I don't know if it is a region problem because I had tested some methods eliminate those protections, but none has been useful. Thanks for your answers. | ||||||||||||
| sambat posted 2008 Aug 04 10:06 | ||||||||||||
If you open the DVD files with 'Pgcedit' and click on the 'Globe' logo on the top menu, it will list the region coding on the disk.
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| GogetaKame posted 2008 Aug 09 15:42 | ||||||||||||
| I was using this guide and it worked all the way up until when im looking at the subtitles in subtitle creator, like one of the last parts. for some reason around my subtitles there is a box. Do you know how i can get rid of that with subtitle creator? or some other program?
i added a picture so that you can see. http://forum.videohelp.com/images/guides/p1876188/help.bmp | ||||||||||||
| GogetaKame posted 2008 Aug 11 11:44 | ||||||||||||
| okay i got everything to work.
I only have one question. when i start off the movie the subtitles are synchronized, (i havnt checked if that changes later on in the movie), but if i skip a chapter or fast forward or something the subtitles are unsynchronized (off by a few seconds). Do you know how i could fix this? | ||||||||||||
| AVAra ascendant posted 2008 Aug 13 18:31 | ||||||||||||
| I have the show Firefly on DVD on my PC and i want to add Bulgarian subtitles to it. I've found a lot of guides of how to add subtitles to a DVD but not one seams to fit my case. Since there are 3 episodes on a DVD (and some bonus features) and an episode seams to be on more than one .VOB file (and the scenes are somehow mixed in the files) can i just replace the existing subtitles (English, French or Spanish) with my Bulgarian subtitles and select them from the original DVD menu?
I am open to any suggestions of how to add the subtitles. I Haven't worked with DVD authoring programs before and i am new in those things. Here is a list of the files: 
The DVD is copied with DVDFab Platinum. So far I've been able to add subs to the first episode only using the first method but I have no idea how to add to the other two. Any help will be very appreciated! _________________________________________ Sorry if there are mistakes my English is not perfect. | ||||||||||||
| AVAra ascendant posted 2008 Aug 14 18:19 | ||||||||||||
| anyone?
I really need to do this. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Aug 14 23:13 | ||||||||||||
| You do the others just like the first one. Demux each Episode PGC to its own folder and then follow the instructions. I prefer Method 2, but from the looks of it Method 1 gets the episodes the same way (with PGCDemux). I really don't understand what your problem is. | ||||||||||||
| GogetaKame posted 2008 Aug 16 13:09 | ||||||||||||
| okay i got everything to work.
I only have one question. when i start off the movie the subtitles are synchronized, (i havnt checked if that changes later on in the movie), but if i skip a chapter or fast forward or something the subtitles are unsynchronized (off by a few seconds). Do you know how i could fix this? | ||||||||||||
| lolekongen posted 2008 Sep 18 13:22 | ||||||||||||
| Hi!
First of all, very nice guide:) I have used this guide with 3-4 dvds now and all is working fine, but on day i got this problem: 
Like you see, i can't choose det "video" vob id:-/ I have tryed with 2 dvds and the same shit happens.... It works with thoose dvds i tryed before, but not thoose one... | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Sep 18 15:48 | ||||||||||||
| First, under "Options", check the "Demux Video Stream" box. If you don't do that you'll never get any video. Second, you'll usually get better results demuxing by PGC than by VOB ID. However, if there's something there use the dropdown box to find the VOB ID you want. If there's still nothing then you opened the wrong IFO. | ||||||||||||
| lolekongen posted 2008 Sep 19 08:24 | ||||||||||||
| It is still nothing on the dropdown box. I have oppened all ifo's that are in this movie, no one have the right IFO.
I used DVDDecrypter and DVDFAB to copi the disk. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Sep 19 11:24 | ||||||||||||
| Post a VobBlanker pic of the movie as decrypted to your hard drive. Highlight the VTS with the movie in it so it appears in the lower screen. | ||||||||||||
| pascal posted 2008 Sep 19 13:16 | ||||||||||||
| Hi
Not really in the subject but maybe close enough. How can one add a new audio stream to an existing DVD? Thanks for your help. Cheers. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Sep 19 13:41 | ||||||||||||
The same as adding a sub. Demux, Remux adding in the new audio track, Replace using VobBlanker, "Turn On" the new audio if necessary. | ||||||||||||
| pascal posted 2008 Sep 19 15:30 | ||||||||||||
| Sorry but I'm kind of a newbee to this DVD authoring stuff.
What do you mean by "Turning On" the new audio? What/how do you do? Cheers. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Sep 19 21:01 | ||||||||||||
| It's explained a few posts below the guide itself. I explain it for subs, but the same principle applies when adding a new audio stream to an already existing stream or streams. If you are merely replacing one stream with another, then you don't have to do much of anything other than perhaps changing the language tag of the new one:
http://forum.videohelp.com/topic338721.html#1778185 Ignore the part about adding the subs, but in the same PGC Editor screen (the second pic down in my post) you "Turn On" the new audio. | ||||||||||||
| pascal posted 2008 Sep 23 04:02 | ||||||||||||
| Thanks so much manono for your explanations. Works nicely.
Great work your guide. Cheers. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Sep 23 09:23 | ||||||||||||
| Good, I'm happy you got it solved, but it's really Baldrick's guide. | ||||||||||||
| lolekongen posted 2008 Oct 01 14:58 | ||||||||||||
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| manono posted 2008 Oct 01 22:19 | ||||||||||||
| Open PGCDemux. Make sure in "Mode" you have "by PGC" ticked. Under "Options" also check the "Demux video stream" box. Leave "Include end time" and "Create a PGC Vob" unchecked. Under "Input IFO", choose the VTS_03_0.IFO. It should immediately show the length. Give it an "Output Folder" and "Process". | ||||||||||||
| lolekongen posted 2008 Oct 02 12:31 | ||||||||||||
| Hi!
Thank you:) It works fine. Can i just use the same method on the other movies to? Once again, thanks:) | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Oct 02 13:21 | ||||||||||||
You're welcome.
The VTS_0X_0.IFO might change from movie to movie, but otherwise, yes, it's pretty much the same. | ||||||||||||
| kim1406 posted 2008 Oct 06 06:39 | ||||||||||||
| First, thank you very much for this great guide. I tried the first method and it works fine, and I could add new subtitles to 2 movies upto now.
However, sometimes I'm getting an error message stating that " the process cannot access Subpictures_20.sup file, it is being used by another software", this error happens for the other files too (Subpictures_21.sup and Subpictures_22.sup). I'm not sure why I'm getting this error? even though, when proceeding, every things seems to be OK, and subtitle is working fine after that. Any idea how to solve this error? and does it affect any thing? | ||||||||||||
| sideskroll posted 2008 Oct 29 06:32 | ||||||||||||
| Hi, It doesn't work for me, at all... I'm trying to add subtitles to a DVD that already has 11 subtitle files in it. The only reason I'm trying this guide over the tested and working guide of Matrixx is that with his guide you can't keep the original subs in the DVD (And that DVDLab doesn't allow for italic and special characters on the subs)
The problem I'm getting with this guide is that the FINAL DVD displays every subtitle on the subtitle submenu but when you select english for example, it displays ALL of the subs at the same time, one over the other. besides freezing the playback. And when I switch to i.e: swedish it works correctly. The other thing, when I load the Final DVD to DVDshrink to check on the subs. It says that the "ENGLISH sub is 70 MB long... WTF? And the "swedish" 5 MB so, basically,in this example the swedish file is ok, but the english (which displays all of the subs at the same time) isn't, and all of the other subs appear as "0MB" in size... Now I've followed this guide step by step, and I'm no noob in authoring DVDs so I'm guessing something is wrong with the procedure for DVDs with previous subtitles... Perhaps in the muxman part, because it doesn't say if one should load the ORIGINAL subs for the DVD aswell as the new one... And most of the posts in here talk about DVDs with no previous subtitles... Well, hopefully someone will understand what I'm saying and come to my rescue... thanks i advance | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Oct 31 20:35 | ||||||||||||
No, there's nothing wrong with the procedure for DVDs with previous subtitles.
If you don't load them correctly using Muxman, then all kinds of screwy things can happen as a result. I'm pretty sure the mistake is yours, and not that of either this guide or of Muxman. Perhaps you can provide more details. Is this a 16:9 or a 4:3 video? It makes a difference in how the subs are loaded. You hope to have 12 different sub streams when done? So you have 12 SUP files? 11 of the original and the new one you created? You said the problem seems to be with the English subs. So, how many sub streams are available when playing the original DVD? How many of those are English subs? If there's more than one English sub stream, why is that? Do you have Director's Comment subs? Do you have English subs for the hearing impaired? Are there Forced Subs? That is, does the number of sub streams available when checking the subtitle menu, or when choosing subs in something like PowerDVD, match the number of original SUP files you have? Or do you have many more SUP files than there are sub streams (twice the number, in fact)? Again, I'm talking about the original DVD, and not the one you're trying to create. | ||||||||||||
| sideskroll posted 2008 Oct 31 20:40 | ||||||||||||
| Nevermind, I did it. I was right (kinda).
The guide should SPECIFY that when remuxing the DVD you should check on BOTH WS and LB on the subs tab. The guide isn't clear about it. That is if you only have one sub stream for 4:3 and 16:9. If you have separate subs for each format, then you'd have to select each one according to your original file. Thats it. Thanks for the help though. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Nov 01 03:10 | ||||||||||||
I'd have to say you weren't right at all, since it didn't play right after you got done.
Why? It assumes you already know how to correctly mux subs when using Muxman. Also, if you do it incorrectly it warns you with a red error message. Did you just ignore the warning after loading only the WS before going on to the next SUP file? Or, as I would guess, you gave the LB track of the stream a completely different sub stream. That's what I was getting at, by the way, when I was asking how many SUP files there were and how many subtitle choices there were in the menu or when played in the DVD player. Some retail DVDs have one track for WS and a different one for LB; some retail DVDs use the same one for both. In any event, when you have a 16:9 video, you have to load 2 tracks for each stream, even if both are the same. Otherwise you get the behaviour you describe. A good way to determine how they should look after you get done is to study the source DVD in PGCEdit (load the DVD, double-click on the movie, and study the subs in the PGC Editor screen). But now you know and you'll never make that mistake again. | ||||||||||||
| sideskroll posted 2008 Nov 01 05:41 | ||||||||||||
4:3
3 of the 6 episodes have directors comment. All of the episodes have english and english for the hearing impaired. Should I check one by one to see if there are forced subs? Does it make any difference? How do I see that? By checking the domain stream attributes one by one? Like I explained in another post, there are lets say 7 sub streams per episode. On the episodes with directors comment the y streams are enabled, on the other 3 episodes they are there but appear as "none". there are 5 streams that are active in all of the episodes. *EDIT*BTW. The added subs work on an "episode by episode" basis... What I would like to do is to get them working when i use the play all option as well. Thanks for your help and sorry to bother you with all these posts... Its the first time I try to add subs to a DVD that has so many options. and comments and play all. All of those things... | ||||||||||||
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| manono posted 2008 Nov 01 10:49 | ||||||||||||
Oh, it's 4:3. Then I don't understand why you had trouble as you load only one sub track per sub stream for 4:3 videos. Usually the problems begin when the video is 16:9. But then why did you say this:
You only have the choice of checking both WS and LB when you have a 16:9 video. So I'm still quite confused as to what you have. Are you sure it's 4:3? Did you reencode it using the wrong DAR, maybe (16:9 instead of the correct 4:3)? Since you didn't have any trouble getting your newly added subtitle to play, then I guess you figured that part out. About all I can suggest at this point is to study the original DVD in PGCEdit following the instructions I gave in my previous post and try to have your version emulate the source DVD (except that you've added one more to the total). Since this one is episodic with an additional substream, be sure and study how the subs are done for the individual episodes as well as for the "PlayAll" feature. PGCEdit should have separate titles and/or PGCs for them all for you to click on.
No, I was just trying to figure out why there seemed to be so many English subtitle tracks/streams.
So why did you say earlier, "I'm trying to add subtitles to a DVD that already has 11 subtitle files in it? Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but I know no more now than when I started trying to help. I think I understand why the "PlayAll" feature with subs doesn't work correctly. You have to wind up with the same number plus one (the new stream) of sub streams as in the original. You mentioned that the ones without a Director's Commentary have the same number as the ones with a DC but with one marked as "None". When you author the episodes using Muxman, you don't have the option of adding a blank SUP file (although maybe you could create one, or edit the Muxman MXP file to add one, but that's a real pain-in-the-ass). What I would suggest is adding one of the already existing SUP files in place of the missing Director's Commentary subs for those 3 episodes without Director's Commentary. Then you can disable it in PGCEdit later on, and that should give you the same number of sub streams and the "PlayAll" should then work properly. Again, the idea is to make the final DVD look like the original with the exception of the newly added language, and that means making a "None" for the missing Director's Commentary subs. | ||||||||||||
| sideskroll posted 2008 Nov 01 19:25 | ||||||||||||
Forget about it. My bad. I have a couple of videohelp forum tabs open at the same time. This one, and the one where you helped a lady with a "series DVD". So I got confused and posted in one when I thought I was posting in the other one. The WS/4:3 problem is solved. It was for a movie. Now, I already solved the problem with the episodic DVD. And it was also a "pain-in-the-ass.like" process... Maybe you could write a sub-guide about it to help people that, like me, want to add a subtitle to their favorite series and encounter problems along the way. What I did and worked for me is simple but time consuming, whenever you have an episodic DVD, that has a play all function as well as DC in SOME episodes (lets say 1st:DC, 2nd:No, 3rd:DC) you should ALWAYS add your subtitle (the one your trying to include on the DVD) prior to any DC streams. Whys that? It appears that the "play all" function doesn't like to "think " that much... It doesn't matter if you enter the stream number correctly in each episode it won't recognize it unless its in the same slot. Ill try to explain further: Lets say you have a max. of 5 streams. The first 3 subs in different languages. The remaining DCs. on the first episode of a series. Then, on the second ep. you have only the first 3 streams. Then on the third one, again. 5 and so on. The new language should ALWAYS be the fourth stream. Because, like I said before, if it isn't then the play all function won't recognize it even if it works on an "episode by episode" basis. Now I'm not sure why that happens, cause the original DVD had more subs after the DC and they played well with "play all". But it didn't work with the ones I added. What I did was, replaced the first DC on every episode that had that stream so the "playall" function would think that it was that stream. And then "added" that DC as the last sub on said episode. It worked. Maybe it's not the way to solve the problem. I'm not sure. But I'm pretty sure that it works now. I've ried every way I could think off and it works. So I would say that its the solution for the problem. Now, I should mention that, even thouh I highly doubt it. Maybe the cause for all this situation was the fact that this particular DVD (the original disc) had multilang menus. So whenever you popped the disc in your player you got a "select language" screen and then you got redirected to the title menu in the language you selected and by default the episode played with that language. Pror to adding my own subs I removed all of that. The menus, options, audio streams. I even rearranged the disc so it would enter directly the english menu instead of asking you to select a language by changing the first play PGC. Like I said maybe that had something to do with the problem because, as you can guess, the damn DVD had like a million connection between Audio DC, menus, Subs play etc... Anyway, I hope I made myself somehow "clear" enough. And, if you find my procedure good enough to be able to help some people out. Maybe you could do a sub guide or something for "multiepisodic DVDs with play all function and DC" :) Thanks for your help manono. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Nov 01 20:27 | ||||||||||||
| Hehe, yes, you did make yourself clear and I understood what you were saying, and I can only congratulate you for sticking with it until you solved the problem to your satisfaction.
As I'm from the US, while I sometimes see multi-language menus, and I always remove the ones for any languages other than English and have it jump right to the English one upon insert, and while I sometimes see a bunch of different language subs (but rarely), that particular combination you described (episodic, multi-language menus, differing numbers of sub streams depending on the episode number, a whole bunch of subtitle streams) is so rare for us R1 people as to be almost unheard of. Maybe that combination is more common for you South Americans (and the Europeans particularly). And maybe you should write the guide of which you spoke. :) Again, good going. | ||||||||||||
| sideskroll posted 2008 Nov 02 03:41 | ||||||||||||
Let me catch my breath (this truly was an authoring nightmare) and I just might... :). BTW, I borrowed the DVD from a friend. It is in fact a Nordic release. We usually get the R1 DVDs. or, at least the R4 which are almost a 1:1 copy of the R1 with MAYBE the menus in spanish. In this particular case I was trying to add english subs. Because I don't understand svenka or whatever the hell they use over there xD. And the jokes in this particular DVD (Police Squad! which, BTW, I recommend if you enjoyed the Naked Gun movies with Leslie Nielsen. As this is the beginning of the franchise) are not funny at all when translated to other languages. Changing subjects a bit... Don't you find it odd that a show that was made for english speaking people gets a DVD release without ENGLISH subs? Thanks for your time and let me congratulate you too for your fast and and complete answers. It shows that you're truly interested in helping people out. And while in this case you weren't able to help me (because you had no previous experience on this kind of discs or whatever) I'm sure people who are just starting to explore this DVD authoring world and haven't got any previous experience will value your experienced advise.
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| sideskroll posted 2008 Nov 02 04:06 | ||||||||||||
| Let me bother you with one slightly "off topic" question.
What settings do you use when saving your SUP files in Subtitle Creator? I've always used Arial or Arial Narrow (Which I think is the default on Sub Creator) at 20 or 22 with OR without bold enabled (depending on the color of the original subs) I worked only with subtitle workshop and txt2sup before as I find it to be a more versatile combination. But sub creator is most definitely the easiest choice so I would like to use it from now on. The problem is that after everything is done. And the new DVD is authored and everything. The subs are far smaller than the ones that I use to make (Even though Im entering the same font size, type and everything) and, even worst than that. They are almost outside the screen! At the very bottom. So I was wondering, do you have like a "standard for DVD" chart? Maybe sub creator uses another procedure to create the sup stream. I would like to know the best settings (see attached image) and corresponding font type and size for DVDs. I know it all depends on different peoples preferences and all, but I would like to know the "standard" DVD sub rules, you know? most of the subs look the same from one DVD to another. Those are the setting that I would like to emulate. Thanks in advance man.  | ||||||||||||
| neglected posted 2008 Nov 02 05:31 | ||||||||||||
| I have a bunch of R1 closed-captioned DVDs, and I have always wanted to "convert" the closed-captions into normal subtitles. With the help of this site I have now learned to extract them to a normal .srt file (also there are sometimes R2 or R4 DVDs I have bought without subtitles and I have later found a .srt or .txt file on the net).
I should mention that ALL of them are series DVDs, with 3-6 episodes per disc. In the end, I managed to add subtitles to the first episode just fine. But then I got stuck.
I have converted the subtitles into .sup files, I have demuxed all episodes in their own folders. I can author one episode with Muxman, and I get four files: VTS_01_0.BUP, Video_ts.ifo, VTS_01_0.IFO and VTS_01_1.VOB (which cannot be played). What should I do next? I can add a list of video and audio streams in muxman, but only one subpicture. Can you nudge me into the right direction? :) And, yes, you guessed it - I'm a noob. :? | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Nov 02 07:20 | ||||||||||||
I won't be of much help, I'm afraid, as I don't use SubtitleCreator for making subs. I make SSA subs and then use MaestroSBT to make SST format subs for use in Muxman. I use Tahoma font size 22 (sometimes 24) and create antialiased subs. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Nov 02 07:30 | ||||||||||||
What's that mean? If Muxman completed the mux, it can be played in a software DVD player such as PowerDVD. Have you tried that - playing it as a DVD, and not just double-clicking on the VOB file? If you play the DVD you created and the subs show up, then you're ready to go on to the other episodes on the DVD. Once you get each of the episodes authored following the guide, you're ready to replace them back into the original DVD using VobBlanker.
Once you add in the first set of subs, you advance the stream number to add more. Or maybe I'm not understanding you correctly. | ||||||||||||
| neglected posted 2008 Nov 02 13:38 | ||||||||||||
| OK, so... I completed the mux of several episodes in separate folders, and they played fine, but... with few others Muxman halts, announcing:
Reference to non-existant scene "Segment_1_scn7" from PGC "VTS01_TTL01_PGC1" And naturally it does not play. I tried deleting the last line in celltime.txt, like you have suggested elsewhere, but then Muxman says there is error in the script. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Nov 02 13:51 | ||||||||||||
Have you tried closing out Muxman, reopening it, and then adding in the edited Celltimes.txt file along with the rest of the stuff? If not, try that and if it doesn't work post an original Celltimes.txt file for an episode that didn't complete the mux. | ||||||||||||
| neglected posted 2008 Nov 02 15:15 | ||||||||||||
| hmmm, worked like a charm with shutting down Muxman.
At this point all I need to figure out is how to synchronize subtitles of one episode (the only one which is completely out of synch), if I'm reluctant to get a K-line codec pack ;) I do have PowerDVD 8, but apparently it is not enough for Subtitle Creator. Thanks very much for the help. | ||||||||||||
| Arcanis01 posted 2008 Nov 19 04:03 | ||||||||||||
I have followed the guide and vobblanker reported these errors after I chose main movie VIDEO_TS.ifo
After clicking OK it says... (The same window appears when using Method2 (not through Authoring Wizard in SubtitleCreator)) 
After clicking OK it starts to work but in the end this error shows... 
What is wrong? Thanx in advance! | ||||||||||||
| 9kamal posted 2008 Dec 13 02:07 | ||||||||||||
| Hi
I have converted srt subtitle with "Txt2Sup" & its quality was better than "Subtitle Creator". Txt2Sup (1.25 MB): http://www.videohelp.com/tools/Txt2Sup ***** With special thanks to Baldrick & manono, dear users; I have created the video guide for this topic. Download Link: ------------------ http://www.esnips.com/doc/f01e9cec-eeb3-4e0c-a6c3-da0ec180773d/Ho ... reconvert) "How to add new subtitle to a movie DVD (keep menu, without reconvert)" Archive format: 7-zip Film format: avi (XviD) Size: 6 MB Duration : 5mn 38s This video guide will explain how to add new subtitles to a an existing DVD without reconvert any video or audio and keep the original menus using 8 softwares in 7 Steps. Needs: -------------- Movie DVD Subtitle (Srt or Idx/sub): (WebSites: subscene.com & farsisubtitle.com) 4 DVDs, free hard disk space 4 directories: (Original DVD, Demuxed, Remuxed, Final) 8 Softwares: (DVD Decrypter, Txt2Sup, Subtitle Creator, PgcDemux, MuxMan, VobBlanker, PgcEdit, Nero) Download Links: -------------------- DVDDecrypter (878 KB): http://www.videohelp.com/tools/DVDDecrypter Txt2Sup (1.25 MB): http://www.videohelp.com/tools/Txt2Sup Subtitle Creator (1.79 MB): http://www.videohelp.com/tools/SubtitleCreator PgcDemux (151 KB): http://www.videohelp.com/tools/PgcDemux Muxman (192 KB): http://www.videohelp.com/tools/Muxman VobBlanker (1.44 MB): http://www.videohelp.com/tools/VobBlanker PgcEdit (2.48 MB): http://www.videohelp.com/tools/PgcEdit Nero: http://www.nero.com Steps: -------------- --Method 1: Step1: Copy DVD to hard using DVDDecrypter. Step 2: Convert subtitle to SUP format. Srt format using Txt2Sup & Idx/sub format using Subtitle Creator Step 3: Demultiplex video, audio & subtitle from the DVD using PgcDemux. Step 4: Author to a new DVD with MuxMan. Step 5: Add back the original menu with VobBlanker. Step 6: Update IFO file using PGCEdit. Step 7: Burn the final VIDEO_TS with Nero --Method 2: After create SUP format, Using the DVD Authoring Wizard in Subtitle Creator. (Note: Using the Subtitle Creator Wizard, easiest, but may not always work as it should.) | ||||||||||||
| tRAVALO posted 2009 Jan 18 05:20 | ||||||||||||
| Hi,
I'm having a certain problem with muxman, a message is returned, "Multiplex operation failed Probaly caused by excessive bitrate" this cause the movie to have disparity value times ,original vs reauthored. what can i do about it? | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2009 Jan 18 07:42 | ||||||||||||
How do you know that, as you didn't get a playable DVD out of it? If you encoded it, then the max bitrate was too high and you should encode again with a lower max bitrate. If you only demuxed and reauthored with Muxman with the only difference from the source being the extra subtitle, then I can only suggest reauthoring using IFOEdit. It accepts files in the same format as does Muxman and, unless there are too many buffer underflows, it'll give you a playable DVD even if it also gives you warnings. | ||||||||||||
| tRAVALO posted 2009 Jan 18 07:55 | ||||||||||||
| thanks manono ,im confusing ,and im sure that you are right. how can i watch disparity values from the source if i didn't even get a playable DVD out of it? I just reformulate a question that someone else had, on other forum.
i appreciate your answer anyway | ||||||||||||
| user2008 posted 2009 Feb 11 08:13 | ||||||||||||
| "1. Open the srt subtitle file or create your own subtitles. "
Everything fine til here. "( Optional 2. Open the original dvd movie by open the VTS_01_01.IFO ( you need a mpeg2/dvd decoder ) and you can manually sync the movie. You can also adjust subtitle colors and more. )" What does it mean? "you need a mpeg2/dvd decoder"?? Besides, there's no VTS_01_01.IFO in the video_ts folder. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2009 Feb 11 08:46 | ||||||||||||
If you can play DVDs on the computer, then you have an MPEG-2 decoder.
I think he meant to say "VTS_01_0.IFO". You have one of those, don't you? | ||||||||||||
| user2008 posted 2009 Feb 11 08:58 | ||||||||||||
| Ok, yes. But when I click on that button ("open a new DVD: select any ifo file in the directory...") and select VTS_01_0.VOB, I get an error: "SC subtitle filter is not installed. If you want to preview your subtitles on top of the video. You MUST install SC subtitle filter first. Go to http://sourceforge.net/projects/subtitlecreator/ "
There's nothing there about "subtitle filter". Also I've searched in google using the term "SC subtitle filter" and I found this http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-140929.html I've installed the beta version and I still get the same message. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2009 Feb 11 09:50 | ||||||||||||
| Sorry, but I can't help with that problem as I don't use SubtitleCreator for synching subs. If manusse (the developer) doesn't show up here soon, you might try to reach him at the Subtitle Forum of Doom9. | ||||||||||||
| user2008 posted 2009 Feb 12 13:56 | ||||||||||||
| It's ok.
Another question for you or anyone... : I have a DVD region 2 and it will not play in my player. Any way to unlock it? I don't wanna use DVD Shrink because I'll lose all the menus. Thanks in advance. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2009 Feb 12 19:13 | ||||||||||||
| Will your player play PAL DVDs, even if the DVD is made region free? You should check the DVD Player database on this site to see if there's any information in this regard. Maybe there's even a hack available to allow it to play DVDs from all regions:
http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers http://www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks Ordinarily just making the DVD region free isn't enough. But, by decrypting it to the hard drive (using DVD Decrypter or DVDFab HD Decrypter, for example), it automatically becomes region-free (all-region, actually). Then you can just reburn it to disc. Everything will still be there. | ||||||||||||
| Jens Thomsen posted 2009 Feb 17 03:35 | ||||||||||||
| First of all, thanks for a fantastic guide! I am fairly new to all this, and it has helped me tremendously on a couple of projects. :notworthy
I have encountered a slight problem, though. I am trying to add English subs to an Italian PAL DVD. I exchanged the original Italian subtitles with my English custom subs and also kept the "limited" English subs already available on the DVD (for use with the English audio track. It has one scene that was never dubbed). That means the number of subtitle streams are unchanged. The remuxed version plays perfect, the subtitles look like they are supposed to and are both identified as English. So far, so good. However, when adding the original menus back using VobBlanker something unexpected - at least for someone with my limited experience - does happen. The English subs I added now display in wrong colors (red and white!), while the original "limited English subs" I kept still display as they're supposed to. Also, the subtitle streams now again identify as "Italian" (for my added English subs) and "Uidentified" (for the original "limited" subs) as the subs did on the original DVD. I have found a way to alter the colors of the subtitles using PgcEdit. But if someone could explain to me why the same subs look different in the remuxed version and in the version with the menus added back again? I gather it has something to do with where the information of the color values are stored, some sort of clash between the values in the subs I added and the values set in the original DVD? Also, more importantly, is there some way to alter how the sub streams are identified in PgcEdit, or do I have to do it the hard way in IFOEdit (I found a guide here, but frankly it seemed more suited for someone with a higher experience than me)? Or is there maybe a third alternative? | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2009 Feb 17 04:38 | ||||||||||||
I take it you found the CLUT ( the Color LookUp Table - the 4x4 block of colors), and changed the colors using PGCEdit. The original 2 sets of subs used (probably) the same 2 blocks out of the 16 for the colors. Your added sub used 2 different blocks of the 16, and it was those you changed to "fix" the colors. There's no standard as to which of the blocks are to be used for the subtitle colors. Muxman chose (probably) 2 from the upper left of the top row, and didn't know where the original colors were.
Open the DVD in PGCEdit. Highlight the video in question and hit the green reel of film - part of the row of icons along the top. In the new screen change the language to whatever you like. OK and Save.  | ||||||||||||
| Jens Thomsen posted 2009 Feb 17 04:46 | ||||||||||||
| Manono, thank you SO much! I will consider naming my firstborn after you, or at least make a toast in your name next time I am out. Whatever comes first :)
Makes sense about the colors. Thanks again, Jens | ||||||||||||
| Jens Thomsen posted 2009 Feb 17 06:51 | ||||||||||||
| Turns out I was a bit rash thinking I had solved the problem with the color attributes of the subtitles. While changing the colors solved the problem with the subs I added to the DVD, the original subs I had kept now looked strange.
It seems the two set of subs use the same color attributes, but in completely opposite way: The added subs are white with a black outline, but the original subs are now black with a white outline - apparently I can't edit the one without messing up the other. I take it that when editing the color attributes in PgcEdit, you edit the attributes for all subtitle streams? There is no means of editing just the attributes of one set, is there? Of course I could just delete the original subs. It's a set of English subs provided for the English audio for the parts that were never dubbed and only exists in Italian. Actually it's just one scene, but I think this might be a good way to learn how to do in future projects. How should I go about it now? Should I go back to the beginning and edit the color attributes of both tracks? I was thinking of using SubtitleCreator, but is it possible to edit .sup files there, or should I first convert the original subs into .srt, then edit them (or the colors of them) in SubtitleCreator, and finally remux the load? Is there another program that would suit my project better? | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2009 Feb 17 09:29 | ||||||||||||
Oh darn, no little manono for me to be the Godfather.
You only are changing the blocks of color. If a subtitle stream uses those blocks, then it'll use those colors. But one color is assigned as the outline and the other as the main color. It sounds like the outline of one is the main color of the other. I've seen that before after adding subs, have been unable to fix it using PGCEdit, but have fixed it using DVDSubEdit: http://download.videohelp.com/DVDSubEdit/Guides/ChangingColors/Guide.htm | ||||||||||||
| Jens Thomsen posted 2009 Feb 17 17:05 | ||||||||||||
| Looks great. Thanks again, manono :) | ||||||||||||
| Arcanis01 posted 2009 Mar 01 07:02 | ||||||||||||
Subtitle creator Wizard reported this error
When I do it manually (Method 2)... I guess I have to choose VTS_0X_0.IFO where the main movie is. In my case it is 07 
In drop down menu I guess I have to choose VID 0X where the main movie is... in my case, my movie has two VID's (1:11:38:01 and 00:26:2721) Can I do something to avoid the error in Method 1? Which VID to choose in Method 2? Thanx in advance! | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2009 Mar 01 09:59 | ||||||||||||
| Don't demux by VOB ID, but by PGC.
Don't forget to check the "Demux Video Stream" box. | ||||||||||||
| nitobe posted 2009 Mar 21 05:33 | ||||||||||||
| edit: PLEASE don't hijack topics and just BUY Lost on DVD with subtitles. /Admin
You are in breach of the forum rules and are being issued with a formal warning. / Moderator Baldrick | ||||||||||||
| Bully9 posted 2009 Mar 23 10:14 | ||||||||||||
| I'm afraid i'm really stuck with this guide. I want to add subtitles to a dvd that has none.
I seem to be able to produce a dvd with subtitles, following the simple 'method 1' described by baldrick. If i play the new dvd in mpc, the right hand click for subtitles is greyed out. I know the subs are there in the modified dvd because i can extract them using subrip. I see there is a guide by manono, but i'm afraid i cannot follow that at all. I've tried a few times but the new dvd files produced by PGCedit just give the greyed out subtitle option too. Basically I'm trying to follow the instructions: "In this example there are no subs at all. If adding subs where some already exist, then the new one won't be listed. Check under the "Sub-picture VOB's Decoding Streams" section and you'll see no subs listed. If there aren't any in the IFOs, even if they're in the VOBs, when you play the DVD you'll get no subs. Click on the first empty stream. In this example it's number zero, but in the case of a DVD where you're adding a new subtitle language it'll be the first empty number. After clicking on it, in the new subpic streams setup screen hit "Set":" The screenshot does not tally with what i get, which is 4 zeros on the zero button. Is this the button to press or the next one down? And i don't seem to get"a message about fixing the number of subtitle streams", unless i press the second button down, then it changes the subtitle streams to 2. But still nothing in MPC. Anyway, if anyone can work out what i'm doing wrong and offer any instructions i can follow - i'd be very grateful. Thanks. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2009 Mar 23 17:05 | ||||||||||||
| You say you used Method 1. So, after muxing the DVD with the new subs using the SubtitleCreator DVD Authoring Wizard, do you get subs? I guess not. Since it says it uses Muxman, then check the Muxman log found in the root of the C drive for information as to why there are no subs. That PGCEdit step is for turning on subs in a DVD that before had none, or to which you added an additional subtitle track. If you're not replacing the DVD into the original DVD so you can get back the menus and extras, then there's no reason to go through the PGCEdit step, except perhaps to correct the colors. That is, after being muxed, the subs should show up on their own. I don't use MPC to play DVDs, but I just tested and the subs are greyed out for me as well. Do you have PowerDVD available? If not then try the VLC player as when I just tested I turned on the subs easily.
I don't use Method 1 and have no idea about the subs it creates or the Authoring Wizard, although it's supposed to use Muxman. On the other hand I use Method 2, or some variation of it, all the time. If you can't figure out where you went wrong, my suggestion is to try again, this time using Method 2. You might also check out the quality of the SUP file that was produced by opening it in Subtitle Creator and making sure it's OK - that you see the dialog and that the timestamps look OK. But with any luck your problem is related to MPC and they'll show up in a different player. Change the colors in PGCEdit if necessary and you should be good to go. | ||||||||||||
| Bully9 posted 2009 Mar 23 17:34 | ||||||||||||
| Thanks very much manono. I burned the new dvd to an DVD-RW to check on my SAP and the subtitles are indeed there :-) So i need to do some experimenting with colours and timings etc.
As it stands, it seems the only way to turn on the subs is by using the subs button on the SAP remote. That's not a problem, but is there a way to add a sutitles button to the menu page? | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2009 Mar 23 18:46 | ||||||||||||
There's a way, but there's no easy way, unless you have some pretty broad knowledge. You have to edit the menu itself to add in the new sub text. You have to edit the underlying subpic to add in the new sub text. You have to add a new button. You have to add a new menu command that tells what to do when that new button is clicked. My suggestion is to have the new subtitle play by default if, when you play the movie, you always want that sub on. That's easy to accomplish. Then in the event that you want to turn the sub off you use the remote control. Here's a guide: http://download.videohelp.com/r0lZ/pgcedit/third_party/2cool/subt ... gcedit.htm It may look complex but once you've done it a couple of times it takes all of about 15 seconds to accomplish. | ||||||||||||
| Bully9 posted 2009 Mar 24 08:44 | ||||||||||||
| Thanks again manono. Just one more query if i may: i can't seem to get my dvds to play in subtitlecreator. I get sound, but no video. Any idea why this may be? | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2009 Mar 24 09:29 | ||||||||||||
| No, sorry. I don't play videos in SubtitleCreator. Perhaps someone else can help. | ||||||||||||
| Bully9 posted 2009 Mar 24 15:35 | ||||||||||||
| Well, i got a little demo dvd i made up to work, so i tried the real thing.
Unfortunately, all the extras and the main film are mixed into the set of VOBs (VTS_01_1.VOB to VTS_01_8.VOB). The main film starts about 4 mins into VTS_01_1.VOB and shows as VID 03 [03] in the VOB id selection drop down. So it seems all the VOBs have to be processed. I tried baldrick's method 2 but i can only get PGCdemux to demux the main movie. Perhaps the screenshot will explain the problem. When the demux is finished, i have new VOBs for the main film only which do not correspond to the VOBs from the original rip. I've not done a lot of dvd editing, but the structure of this one does seem unusual. Is there any way i can do what i'm trying to do?  | ||||||||||||
| dudule posted 2009 Mar 24 16:26 | ||||||||||||
| Hi guys !
I have a little problem and I hope the experts of this forum will be able to help me... :) I wanted to add some french subtitles on a japanese DVD (that doesn't have any). I followed your great tutorials. I converted my .srt to .sup, muxed everything back together, used voblanker to keep the menus and everything else. I then used DVDsubEdit to edit the colors and change the police on some subs (title, for example). I then forced the subtitles on by default using PGCEdit and created an .ISO before burning. Till then, everything went fine : I mounted the .ISO using Daemon Tool and the subtitles display exactly as I want when reading the mounted DVD with MPClassic. I then used Imgburn to burn the .ISO on a DVD+RW. The problem is that when I play this DVD on my standalone DVDplayer (Harman Kardon DVD25), only a few subs show up: approximately 1 out of 2 sentences doesn't appear on the screen, though they are perfectly displayed on my PC with the mounted .ISO... :shock: Has any of you already experienced such a trouble ? Do you think that could be due to the media ? Should I try to burn on a DVD-R (Verbatim) Anyway, thanks in advance for your help !! | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2009 Mar 24 19:41 | ||||||||||||
No, it explains nothing. Don't you want the movie? If you want the other stuff then select them and demux to different folders. Later, after you've reencoded them, or whatever you plan to do, use VobBlanker to replace them one-by-one back into the original DVD. And you'll be better off demuxing by PGC and not by VOB ID. Yes, I know what the guide says. | ||||||||||||
| doctorjellybean posted 2009 Mar 27 07:44 | ||||||||||||
| Ok, I've just posted elsewhere asking how I could replace one existing subtitle stream with another. Baldrick replied stating that this guide should work.
Maybe someone could tell me which of the above I need to do. I want to replace the existing Spanish sustitles with a Dutch one, have already downloaded one and converted it to sub. I've tried the above methods, but they didn't appear to work. I can't remember the exact messages, but the DVD Wizard tool of Subtitle Creator showed quite a few error messages. Might try it again and see if I can capture the error screens. | ||||||||||||
| Bully9 posted 2009 Mar 27 08:18 | ||||||||||||
Well, either i'm too thick to explain the problem properly, or too thick to understand your answer. I suspect it's the latter. I have a good general idea of what needs doing and i've spent many hours trying, but without detailed instructions, i don't think i shall get any further. Thanks again for your input. | ||||||||||||
| doctorjellybean posted 2009 Mar 27 14:59 | ||||||||||||
Ok, I've solved my problem :) I originally tried to set the output in the DVD Wizard Tool to a different drive, which produced error messages. However, now I have a different problem. It seems to me that by using the DVD Wizard Tool, I can't set the position of the new subtitles. The movie is widescreen, and the new subtitles are displayed at the bottom of the screen inside the black box, instead of in the movie itself. Only the tops of the subtitles are displayed, not the complete letters. I can set the position on the main program itself, but how do I set it in the DVD Wizard Tool? | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2009 Mar 27 19:52 | ||||||||||||
I have no idea, but they can easily be raised by using DVDSubEdit on the completed DVD. Open all the VOBs at once, use the SubPic Vertical Position slider to raise one of them. Then go Edit->Apply Last Modifications To All, and then File->Save All Modifications. | ||||||||||||
| doctorjellybean posted 2009 Mar 28 03:01 | ||||||||||||
Thank you! It worked and all is well now. | ||||||||||||
| franciscomb posted 2009 Apr 27 12:51 | ||||||||||||
| Good afternoon,
I have a film converted from an .avi file to DVD by AVS Converter. While, converting a menu was built. But now I want to add subtitles. I know how to add the subtitles with VobEdit and IfoEdit, but this time want to keep the menu to. I tried to use VobBlanker and PgcEdit for that, but I must have done something wrong, because when I wanted to add the subtitles with PgcEdit, there weren't any to add. Could someone please explain better that part of keeping the menu while adding subtitles? I would be most grateful for that. Thanks in advance | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2009 Apr 27 16:17 | ||||||||||||
A quick check of the sticky in the Subtitles Forum would have given you some answers: http://forum.videohelp.com/topic338721.html I prefer the Method 2. | ||||||||||||
| franciscomb posted 2009 Apr 27 16:29 | ||||||||||||
| That was the method I tried to follow. But the part that explains how to keep the menu, while adding subtitles is too short. Can you explain it better? For example, specify precisely what files to open, like, VTS_01_0 from the version that contains subtitles or from the one that contains the menu. Because when I edit the film with VobEdit and IfoEdit to put subtitles in it, the menu from the version without subtitles disappears. I want to copy that menu to the version that contains the subtitles, or maybe create a third version of the film with subtitles and menu.
Thank you for your patience. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2009 Apr 27 21:25 | ||||||||||||
| After you've used Muxman to remux the video with the new subtitles (test it to make sure you really have subs), open the original subless DVD with menus in VobBlanker. Highlight the main video so it appears in the lower window. Highlight it in the lower window and hit "Replace" to the right. Scroll to the VTS_01_0.IFO of the remuxed DVD, the one with subs but no menu. Give it an "Output Folder" and "Process".
When all done you should have the original DVD with menus and subs. But, if there were no subs before and you added subs for the first time, you still have to "turn on" the subs. Follow the directions in this post: http://forum.videohelp.com/topic338721.html#1778185 After that you'll be able to use the remote control to turn on the subs. Or, by adding a command to PGCEdit you can make the subs play by default. | ||||||||||||
| franciscomb posted 2009 Apr 28 14:09 | ||||||||||||
| First of all, thanks for your instructions.
Now, am I supposed to substitute the ifos from the film processed by VobBlanker by the ones in Pgc-backup or are they the same? Besides, the ifo that should contain the menu only has 20kb, while the one from the subless film that had the menu has 1Mb. Is that ok? | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2009 Apr 28 22:12 | ||||||||||||
The process of "turning on" the subs to make them selectable adjusts the IFOs. After that's done and you've tested the final DVD and the subs show up fine, then nothing further has to be done. It's ready to burn to disc. Just blindly moving IFOs around is never a good idea.
You had a 1 MB IFO? I'm not sure I believe that. Or at least I've never seen one anywhere close to that size. In any event if, after thoroughly testing the final DVD, it plays as it's supposed to, then don't worry about it. | ||||||||||||
| franciscomb posted 2009 Apr 29 10:32 | ||||||||||||
| You are right it isn't the ifo that has 1Mb, my mistake. It is the VTS_01_0.vob from the subless film that has that size and it contains the menu, while the one from the final version has 20kb. So my conclusion is that the VTS_01_0.vob from the final version does not include the menu, since this menu has about 1Mb. Besides, the menu does not show up in the DVD player. Just so that you know, this is a menu made in AVS Video Converter and it doesn't have a "Subtitles" section. Only "Play" and "Scene Selection". Can that be it?
Again, thank you for your patience. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2009 Apr 29 10:51 | ||||||||||||
I don't know anything about AVS Video Converter and what it does. Sorry. You don't really need a subtitles menu, though, as long as they work with the remote control. If you intend to watch the film with the subs on, then I'd make them play by default. I know I didn't answer the question, but I didn't understand it either. :) | ||||||||||||
| franciscomb posted 2009 Apr 30 04:16 | ||||||||||||
| Until now I did use to make DVD's with no menu. But recently I realised they didn't worked on some DVD players. So I've made a DVD with a menu (but no subtitles) and it worked everywhere. However, I need subtitles.
But I think there's another option. I have a few DVD's (not bought, neither made by me), that don's have a menu, only subtitles and chapters, just like the ones I used to make and they work everywhere too. I don's understand why, though, because they have exactly the same files has the ones I used to make: VIDEO_TS.ifo and .bup, VTS_01_0.ifo and .bup and the .vobs. No VIDEO_TS.vob or VTS_01_0.vob, allthough I thought these files where needed for the film to work in every players. But so it seems they are not needed. Just by any chance, have you got any ideia how they make these DVD's? Because they seem to be edited the same way my old ones were, despite the fact that these work everywhere and mine don't. | ||||||||||||
| franciscomb posted 2009 Apr 30 04:18 | ||||||||||||
| I just want to make DVD's that can be read everywhere. I thought that for that it was necessary to make a menu. Because mine without menu only work in some DVD players. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2009 Apr 30 04:54 | ||||||||||||
| You don't need a VIDEO_TS.VOB. You don't need a VTS_01_0.VOB. You don't need a menu. Such things as chapters and subtitles can be accessed with just a remote control. I don't know why some of yours don't work and other peoples' ones do. I don't know how you make your DVDs. You mentioned something called AVS Video Converter about which I know nothing. You might give some of the other well thought of all-in-one DVD creation programs a try - programs such as FAVC or DVD Flick. | ||||||||||||
| franciscomb posted 2009 Apr 30 06:22 | ||||||||||||
| Thanks for the tip. | ||||||||||||
| sugara69 posted 2009 May 21 01:20 | ||||||||||||
| Please excuse my ignorance on this matter Baldrick, I have downloaded an .Avi file that already has russian subtitles on it. I want to strip those subtitles off of it, and add the english subs, and I have searched forum after forum, and I can't find the answer. What program(s) do I need to acomplish this the most painless way. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2009 May 21 01:41 | ||||||||||||
If those subs are already burned into the video (open the AVI in VDub(Mod). If you see subs, they're burned in), then for all intents and purposes you can't strip them out. | ||||||||||||
| charmed94 posted 2009 May 28 17:07 | ||||||||||||
| I tried with method 1, and it worked. The problem is, my subtitles are strange, can't read anything... they are grey, and it doesn't support Eastern Europe languages, which means Č,Ć,Š,Ž,Đ are displayed like some strange characters... Can anyone help me about this? Thanks in advance! | ||||||||||||
| charmed94 posted 2009 May 29 11:44 | ||||||||||||
| I fixed it. The problem was that i didn't save the SRT subtitle as Local area language, i saved it as UTF-8 with Aegisub (Subtitle editor, BETTER than Subtitle Workshop). And about colors, i've used DVDSubEdit to change the colors of subtitles. Anyway, thanks!
P.S. I didn't use this method because it doesn't work (I can't change the colors when doing this method), so everything i was talking about was from this: http://club.cdfreaks.com/f62/how-add-subtitles-dvd-croatian-engli ... al-135193/ Also, when using SubtitleCreator for converting to SUP, special commands like Italic fonts can't be displayed. Instead of that, it displays the bunch of crap. So, i used TXT2SUP to convert it. Finally, everything worked, and it's easier than this method here. | ||||||||||||
| branch posted 2009 Aug 14 19:38 | ||||||||||||
How do you sync the movie? | ||||||||||||
| viewpoint posted 2009 Aug 15 23:14 | ||||||||||||
| How do I create multi-line (say 2) subtitles? When I set the number of lines to 2, the first line of text I type in goes to the bottom of the subtitle box. Obviously, the 2nd line of text I type in goes outside (and below) the box.
EDIT: Ok, I got the above. I just set the vertical alignment to "Top". Now, I'm stuck at MuxMan. I got the free version, but it seems like a demo. Has MuxMan gone commercial? | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2009 Aug 16 00:17 | ||||||||||||
There have always been free and commercial versions of Muxman. However, the free version is a full-featured authoring (not menu-creating) program. What seems to be the problem? | ||||||||||||
| viewpoint posted 2009 Aug 16 07:37 | ||||||||||||
In Subtitle Creator, my subtitles are the right color: white text, black borders. After going through MuxMan, it's a pink text and yellow border. Hardly readable. Chinese subtitles. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2009 Aug 16 08:16 | ||||||||||||
That's nothing to do with Muxman. It doesn't know what color the subs are supposed to be. Just change the colors to whatever you like using either PGCEdit or DVDSubEdit. PGCEdit is easier and faster, but DVDSubEdit has a guide: http://download.videohelp.com/DVDSubEdit/Guides/ChangingColors/Guide.htm | ||||||||||||
| viewpoint posted 2009 Aug 16 09:23 | ||||||||||||
What's strange is that the colors seem fine when I created the subtitles in Subtitle Creator (saved as both srt and sup). I got PGCEdit, but I find nothing in the docs regarding changing subtitle colors. Well, I did a search and found the words "Subtitle colour changing", but that's all. Looks like a mere mention of what PGCEdit hopes to do. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2009 Aug 16 10:58 | ||||||||||||
What you created were the colors for the BMPs. DVD subtitle colors are defined in the IFOs and are overlaid on top of the BMP colors. Again, since Muxman has no way to know the colors, it doesn't give you back what you wanted. I suggested using DVDSubEdit for this because it has a guide for the job, but you wanted to try PGCEdit. OK, open the DVD in PGCEdit. Double-click on the video. In the new screen you'll see the 4x4 block of colors called the CLUT (Color LookUp Table). The 2 colors should be (but not always) in the top row, the pink and yellow. Click on each in turn and change it to whatever you like (white and black apparently). "OK" back to the main screen, File->Save DVD, and test it out. | ||||||||||||
| viewpoint posted 2009 Aug 16 11:34 | ||||||||||||
Doesn't/Couldn't the Subtitle Creator specify the color numbers I want? I did go through all the subtitles and set the color numbers to the proper black and white. I see these same color numbers in PGCEdit. Hardcoding or forcefully rewiring the color lookup table seems like a bad workaround to something that should be done by Subtitle Creator. If you tell me that that's the way Subtitle Creator rolls, I'll leave it at that. :)
And it works! Thanks! Thanks! Now, I'm off to finish my first DVD subtitling project... in Chinese. By the way, if any of you want the Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon subtitled perfectly right (complete with cultural explanation of the choice of words), let me know. Is it illegal to subtitle an original DVD I bought, by the way? | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2009 Aug 16 12:35 | ||||||||||||
You can actually reauthor through Subtitle Creator (Tools->DVD Authoring Wizard), and it uses PGCDemux and then Muxman for the authoring. You give it the original DVD IFO and your SRT and it probably does honor your color settings. But I wouldn't know for sure as I don't use Subtitle Creator for authoring. I don't feel like explaining what's going on for the third time, so I'll leave it at that as well. :) I'm glad you solved your problem. | ||||||||||||
| viewpoint posted 2009 Aug 16 22:31 | ||||||||||||
[quote="manono"]
I'm scared of the authoring function. From the looks of people's experiences here, I'd guess the authoring function isn't foolproof. And I'm the kind of fool that might need more than 3 repetitions to get an explanation. :P One last question! I hope. How do I preview the subtitles in Subtitle Creator? I want to see them play with the movie. Or at least with the audio. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2009 Aug 16 23:14 | ||||||||||||
| You can preview them by simply opening them. However, since I don't create subs using SubtitleCreator, and since I don't check synch when using it, I don't know and perhaps someone else can help. Sorry. | ||||||||||||
| melany posted 2009 Nov 11 11:10 | ||||||||||||
| Thanks for the tutorial will help me a lot in my dvd made
Msn : mel_melany_gata@hotmail.com email: luzopacadooeste@gmail.com |
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