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| How to add new subtitles to an existing DVD | ||||||||||||
| Baldrick posted 2007 Oct 17 07:19 | ||||||||||||
| This guide will explain how to add new subtitles to a an existing DVD without reconvert any video or audio and keep the original menus. I will eplain two methods, using the subtitle wizard or using each tool separate.
Tools: SubtitleCreator PgcDemux Muxman Vobblanker Ifoedit Preparation If it's a commercial DVD then rip it to your HDD using DVDFab Decrypter first. Install SubtitleCreator and Extract all other tools to a folder. Method 1: Using the Subtitle Creator Wizard, easiest but may not always work as it should. Create or convert your srt subtitles to sup dvd format using Subtitle Creator 1. Open the srt subtitle file or create your own subtitles. ( Optional 2. Open the original dvd movie by open the VTS_01_01.IFO ( you need a mpeg2/dvd decoder ) and you can manually sync the movie. You can also adjust subtitle colors and more. ) 3. File->Save sup as 
Using the DVD AUthoring Wizard in Subtitle Creator 1. Select Tools - > DVD AUthoring, now you have to select the location to the Pgcdemux.exe, muxman.exe and vobblanker. 2. Select the VIDEO_TS from your original DVD. 3. Select output folder, you need a lot free hdd space. 4. Load the new sup that you created above and set langugae 5. Start 
You should now have a new VIDEO_TS folder with vob, ifo and bups. Try play the VIDEO_TS folder with a software player like PowerDVD, WinDVD, MPC(open the VIDEO_TS.ifo file with MPC) and try select the subtitle track. Select the subtitle in the software player menu or on your remote control subtitle button because the menu might not work as it should. 
Last burn the new VIDEO_TS with Nero Burning Rom or ImgBurn. Done. :) Method 2: Using each tool separate if the Subtitle Creator wizard would not work as it should. Demultiplex the audio and video from the DVD using PgcDemux 1. Select the VTS_01_01.IFO from your DVD 2. Select by VOB id and Domain Titles and select the main movie 3. Select Demux video streams, audio streams, subtitle streams and celltimes 
Create or convert your srt subtitles to sup dvd format using Subtitle Creator 1. Open the srt or create your own subtitles. ( Optional 2. Open the original dvd movie by open the VTS_01_01.IFO ( you need a mpeg2/dvd decoder ) and you can manually sync the movie. You can also adjust subtitle colors and more. ) 3. File->Save sup as
Author to a new DVD with Muxman 1. Select the m2v that you got from the Pgcdemux 2. Select the ac3 that you got from the Pgcdemux 3. Select the new sup that you got from the Subtitle Creator, set language 4. Select File->Import chapter and open the celltimes.txt you got from Pgcdemux 5. Output to a new folder 
(Optional) Add back the original menus 1. Open the original DVD VIDEO_TS.IFO file 2. Select output folder 3. Select the main movie title, usually VTS_01 or the biggest file 4. Click replace and open the VTS_01_01.ifo from the Muxman output 
Update ifo files If you used Vobblanker to restore the original menus AND if your DVD didn't contain any subtitles or if you're increasing the total number of subtitle tracks you must also update the ifos. Read here for for a step by step guide how to update the ifo files with subtitle information. You should now have a new VIDEO_TS folder with vob, ifo and bups. Try play the VIDEO_TS folder with a software player like PowerDVD, WinDVD, MPC(open the VIDEO_TS.ifo file with MPC) and try select the subtitle track. Select the subtitle in the software player menu or on your remote control subtitle button because the menu might not work as it should.
Last burn the new VIDEO_TS with Nero Burning Rom or ImgBurn. Done. :) | ||||||||||||
| caesarmarcus posted 2007 Nov 17 12:45 | ||||||||||||
| Your Highness- The Reverend Baldric !
Excuse me my bold behaviour, addressing directly Your Majesty as only a newbie! Good winds have blown me to Your doorstep, since I am begging for Your generous hand, from which all help may come. Following Your irreplaceable tutorial I stuck in one point and it seems, I cannot find a way out from that maze. The trunk I have stumbled against is PGCDemux tool. I haven't NTFS but FAT 32 file system with XPSP2. In some time I will change the computer but now it must work with two systems on two partitions - WIN98SE and the above mentioned XP. There are some virtues to have such a division - recently SubtitleCreator has refused to work any more in XP (nothing helped and I didn't want to reinstall it with the loss of many programs,but I have installed in on WIN98 and here it works! FAT as You know doesn't let create files of more than 4 GB and something. When I put PGCDemux to work in the way You kindly showed in the tutorial it tried to create one big VOB file but the system didn't let him to do this. I ended with a big VOB which tended to be bigger but the system stopped its futher creation. The only way I managed to cooperate with PGCDemux was by selecting its SINGLE CELL mode. As a result I got 14 cells, compared to 7 ones housed by the original DVD. I have muxed each VOB-cell with the appropriate audio track and sup subtitles, which I had prepared in Subtitle Workshop and Creator having synchronized them simultaneously. Then, came the VobBlanker but this one refuses to work properly giving the output that ends with only one VOB - one scene. Here is my question: -What ifos and bups(for futher interaction with VobBlanker) should remain in the "remuxed" folder since Muxman creates them each time it processes individual set of m2V,ac-3, and sup files - as I wrote above I have 14 sets of them. -Should they come from the first or the the last set or maybe they are unnecessary. Each time Muxman completed its work I had to rename the main VOB -VTS_01_1,by exchanging its last digit by 2,3 and so on up to 14,not letting it to be overwritten next time by Muxman again to VTS_01_1. Ifos and bups were, of course,ovewritten. -Maybe the best solution is to get rid of all the sets install XP with NTFS and follow another recipe but what if I don't like to repeat the whole long procedures and,beyond all,use the existing output files? I don't need any menus and chapters in this film,only my new subtitles Any solution, Reverend Baldrick San ? Any mor data from me? | ||||||||||||
| xicoxicao posted 2007 Nov 21 07:13 | ||||||||||||
| Thanks for the guide. You're the man and Black Adder stinks.
I tried the method 1 a got no results and then tried method 2. Playing the new files created with MuxMan in MPC worked wll enough. I could enable and disable subtitles and they played when they were enabled. I then tried to put the original menus back in witn VobBlanker amd the resulting files no longer play as before. The subtitle language options, in the MPC Navigate Menu, is dimmed, and the subtitles don't show. I get the menus of the original though. By the way the original DVD didn't have subtitles :? I did exactly as you suggested in the guide. Where am I going wrong? Thanks for the help | ||||||||||||
| xicoxicao posted 2007 Nov 21 07:53 | ||||||||||||
| No need to bother Baldrick. I got it going with the help of another guide in this site. It said that I needed to edit the new IFO's I got after VobBlanker.
Perhaps you should update your guide with similar information so that other lame guys like me don't fall in the same trap. Thanks anyway. | ||||||||||||
| Baldrick posted 2007 Nov 21 08:03 | ||||||||||||
| It worked in mpc for me without editing the ifos. What exactly did you do? It may help others with same problem and I can update the guide also.
caesarmarcus: Convert to NTFS...I don't know any other solution. :) | ||||||||||||
| xicoxicao posted 2007 Nov 23 03:52 | ||||||||||||
| I followed the advice in the following topic:
http://forum.videohelp.com/topic275603.html?highlight=subtitles%20dvd From what I gathered the problem was that my original didn't have any subtitiles, and when I copied the VTS_01_0.IFO of the remuxed back to the original, which is I believe what is done with VobBlanker, although the subtitles were muxed in, the original VTS_TS.IFO had no way of telling they're there. With IfoEdit you edit the VTS_TS.IFO of the original to tell it that there are subtitles now. Of course, I may be a complete arse, who doesn´t understand this stuff, and got lucky. I'm very new to this anyway. All the best. | ||||||||||||
| Baldrick posted 2007 Nov 23 03:58 | ||||||||||||
| Okey, the DVD I tested with had subtitles in other languagues. Will add something about it to the guide. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2007 Nov 23 06:14 | ||||||||||||
| If you are adding a subtitle for the first time, or if you're increasing the total number of subtitle tracks, then you have to "turn on" the new subs. If you're just replacing one sub with another so that the total number of subs stays the same, then you don't have to do anything. This is more easily accomplished through PGCEdit than with IFOEdit. I've explained the procedure a few times, but here it is with pics:
Open the DVD in PGCEdit: 
Note the green reel of film I've outlined in red. We'll return to that later. Find the video with the new subs. Here I've highlighted it. Double-click on it and you'll be taken to a new PGC Editor screen: 
In this example there are no subs at all. If adding subs where some already exist, then the new one won't be listed. Check under the "Sub-picture VOB's Decoding Streams" section and you'll see no subs listed. If there aren't any in the IFOs, even if they're in the VOBs, when you play the DVD you'll get no subs. Click on the first empty stream. In this example it's number zero, but in the case of a DVD where you're adding a new subtitle language it'll be the first empty number. After clicking on it, in the new subpic streams setup screen hit "Set": 
This is for a 4:3 DVD. If 16:9, you might have to study how the other subs (if any) are done. If this is the first sub language added, and if you made only one sub in Muxman, Track 1: W20 LB20 (sometimes you might have 2, one for wide and one for letterbox), then both wide and letterbox stay at zero. If you muxed in 2 separate tracks , one for wide and the other for letterbox (in Muxman, Track 1: W20 LB21), then wide stays at zero and move the letterbox slider to one. If adding a new sub to a DVD that already has subs, then use the next available number (or the next 2 numbers if you made 2 different subtitle tracks for your 16:9 DVD) after the earlier already used ones for wide and letterbox. A 4:3 DVD has one subtitle track but a 16:9 DVD must have two, even if they're both the same. Yeah, it's a little confusing. Usually you'll use the same number for both, but I wanted to cover all the bases. Many retail 16:9 DVDs with subs have separate ones for the wide and letterbox tracks. After setting the new sub, OK back to the main screen. Remember that red outlined green reel of film in the first pic? Hit it and it'll give you a message about fixing the number of subtitle streams. Answer "Yes" and in the new screen to which it sends you, you can set the language and type of subtitle if you wish: 
Once you've done that, if you double-click on the video again you'll now see the new subs listed: 
In the main screen save the DVD (File->Save DVD is one way) and test it out in PowerDVD before burning to disc. If you find the colors are off, change them in the CLUT (Color LookUp Table) which you reach by double-clicking on the video, taking note of the colors you have now, finding them in the CLUT (the 4x4 color block you'll see - they're usually in the top row), and changing them to the way you like. Get back to the main screen, save, and test it out. If you find you've accidently messed something up, just replace the IFOs that PGCEdit saved for you in the PgcEdit_backup file when you first opened the DVD and start over again. This may look somewhat complicated at first, but once you've done it a couple of times, it'll take all of about 15 seconds. Edited: for clarity (I hope). | ||||||||||||
| harryk posted 2007 Dec 01 02:06 | ||||||||||||
| Thanks so much, Baldrick, for this great guide, and manono for your excellent addendum.
They gave me the courage to try adding some subtitles, which I had been putting off. I feel I am very close now; probably there's one small thing I'm overlooking. My DVD - is NTSC (from Japan) - has no subtitles at all I created English subtitles for it myself using Subtitle Workshop, then converted them to a .sup file in SubtitleCreator. I followed the instructions for Method 2. But after using muxman, when I play the video in either MPC or WinDVD, I still do not see any subtitles. If I am reading the instructions correctly, it would appear that if I do not do the optional VobBlanker step (to retain menus), then I do not need to do the optional IfoEdit step either. Did I understand that right? (I will be happy enough without a menu if I can just get one set of permanent subtitles.) Just in case, I did read manono's addendum on "turning on" subtitles. So I ran PgcEdit on the output folder from muxman (I presume that's what I want to run it on). But it already shows that it has a Sub-picture stream 0 with Wide(1) and Letterbox(0), which I presume was put there by muxman. (If I run PgcEdit on the original, there is none there.) But when I play that same (re-muxed) folder, I get no subtitles, and where the players have a "Subtitle" menu or option, it is grayed out. Any idea what I am missing? I would be very grateful for any help someone can offer. Thank you. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2007 Dec 01 06:56 | ||||||||||||
Yes, that's correct. Did you check the muxman.log to make sure they were muxed in? It's in the root of the C drive. Unless you've used Muxman again since then, (thus overwriting it), if you open it and if something went wrong with the mux, there should be some sort of a message. Next, let's make sure they're there, but not showing up for one reason or another (transparent, maybe, or too low to be seen). Open the VOBs in DVDSubEdit, all of them at once. Do you see them? Checking the SubPic/Transparency slider, is it all the way to the left, to "Clear"? Let's check their position. Does moving the "SubPic Vertical Position" slider bring them up into view? If either of those things helps, then after changing one go into Edit and "Apply Last Modifications To All", before File->Save All Modifications. While in there, you can also change the colors to whatever you like, unless using the PGCEdit method I outlined earlier. If neither helped, make sure the SUP file you made is actually good. Open it in SubtitleCreator (Tools->Manipulate SUP or VobSub->Open Sub) and see if you can read the dialog, and the timings look OK. | ||||||||||||
| rayden54 posted 2007 Dec 01 14:12 | ||||||||||||
| Awesome guide. I can't believe I missed it until now.
I'm having a slightly weird problem using method two. For some reason, VobBlanker keeps putting the last cell at beginning of the movie. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2007 Dec 01 14:46 | ||||||||||||
| That is weird.
After the Muxman step, when you play the DVD does it play OK? What about after the VobBlanker step? Does it play the last cell first, and then play it again at the end where it's supposed to be? If so, can you process it a second time, this time blanking out that first cell? Or does it only play the last cell first, and not at the end later on? If so, about all I can suggest is to, first, compare the source DVD in VobBlanker, with the reencoded one, paying special attention to where the cells might be different, and two, run a Trace in PGCEdit to find out what's going on with the original source DVD, as well as your reencoded one. If you find during the trace that the last cell is being commanded to play first, you can edit the commands to make it play where it's supposed to. That can be a bit tricky, though, if you haven't done anything like that before. | ||||||||||||
| rayden54 posted 2007 Dec 01 17:06 | ||||||||||||
| Yes. The Muxman version is ok.
No. It only plays the cell once. At the beginning. I've got DVDRemake Pro if that helps at all. It's giving me fits too though. After I do a bulk replace with it, nothing can find the subtitles, even though PGCedit says they're there. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2007 Dec 01 18:28 | ||||||||||||
| OK, try this. This will only work, though, if the movie is the only PGC in that particular VTS. If there's a logo, or some extra or something else, it won't work. Open the DVD in PGCEdit - the already VobBlanker processed DVD where that last cell plays first. Highlight the movie. Go File->Replace VTST Titles, and follow the instructions from there. You'll be asked to point to the Muxman muxed movie, say "Yes" to the first question, and OK a move of the current VOBs to backup (to protect yourself). I forget what happens after that as I haven't done this for awhile and didn't want to do anything to the DVD I was testing with. But the several times I did it before it worked great.
When done, the DVD and movie should play as they should. Depending on what was processed in VobBlanker earlier (reencoded extras, removed audio tracks, etc.), you might also be able to do this with the original unprocessed working DVD. And then, if necessary, after you get the reencoded movie the way you like, then process the other stuff that needs processing. Did that make any sense? I can't help if you decide to do it via DVDRemake Pro. Lots of people swear by it, but I find it so counterintuitive as to be pretty much useless to me. I'm sure there are others that will be happy to step in. | ||||||||||||
| rayden54 posted 2007 Dec 01 18:36 | ||||||||||||
| Er. It's kinda not the only movie. Or at least it's not exactly the only movie. Parts of it are repeated. Only one of them actually has a filesize though. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2007 Dec 01 22:11 | ||||||||||||
| Does this thing have ILVUs? Did VobBlanker warn you when you opened the DVD? Did you try and replace one of the PGCs that had a zero MB size?
You can only replace the one that has a real size. And if it has ILVUs, VobBlanker doesn't support DVDs with ILVUs, or angles. You'll have to strip out all but one before working with VobBlanker. | ||||||||||||
| harryk posted 2007 Dec 02 09:35 | ||||||||||||
| Excellent suggestions, manono.
But when I used DvdSubEdit on the VOBs, it does show the subtitles on top of each picture, albeit very low. Even when I tried moving them up to the middle of the picture, they still don't appear when I play the video in either WinDVD or MPC. It seems like some small thing (one bit in the file?) is missing to trigger their being used on playback. Or do I need to do something in the player? Something that might be relevant: when I use WinDVD, it has a "Language" menu that has a 'Subtitle" control labeled "Disable", and the control is greyed out, so that I can't change it. Any idea what I'm still missing? Thanks so much for your help. Harry | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2007 Dec 02 10:20 | ||||||||||||
| I don't have WinDVD installed, and have had problems in the past making them appear when using Media Player Classic as a DVD player. I always test in PowerDVD.
But the subs may not appear by default when just playing the DVD. Just as when playing the DVD in a standalone player you may have to turn them on in the Setup Menu or by using the remote control, so might you have to turn them on when using a software DVD player. Unless you add a menu command to force the subs to play by default: http://download.videohelp.com/r0lZ/pgcedit/third_party/2cool/subt ... gcedit.htm So, can you burn them to a DVD-RW (or maybe waste a DVDR) to test in your standalone? If they show up in DVDSubEdit, you definitely have subs, and they should show up. What happens when you open the DVD in PGCEdit and double-click the video? You can see them, as in my 5th and last picture farther up the thread, can't you? That's the one with the dark 0 0 0 0 where all the other subtitle streams have a greyed out "none". | ||||||||||||
| rayden54 posted 2007 Dec 02 14:21 | ||||||||||||
| What's an ILVU? VobBlanker didn't warn me when I opened the DVD.
No. I didn't try to replace anything with 0 MB filesize. I started completely over last night: re-ripped the DVD and everything. I think I may have gotten it to work, but I still have no idea what was wrong. Edit: I've sort of got it to work. The cells in the right place, but now Nero Showtime is only showing 2 of the three audio tracks. MPC merges those two into one really quiet track but plays the third fine. VLC is also the only player of the three which recognizes the existence of my new subtitle track, although it only sees 1 audio track. Nero recognized the subtitles until I synced them with DVDSubedit. I'll have to burn a test DVD to see what's really going on. Thanks! | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2007 Dec 02 21:47 | ||||||||||||
Interleaving, as when there are multiple angles or seamless branching in the DVD. One example would be when you have both the theatrical version and the director's cut on the same DVD. VobBlanker doesn't support that kind, and all kinds of screwy things can happen if you force it to do the processing without first stripping out one of the angles. But it looks like that's not your problem. Good luck with your test burn. Sometimes you just have to test with your standalone player and TV set to see if everything is working. | ||||||||||||
| rayden54 posted 2007 Dec 03 21:33 | ||||||||||||
| Darn. I've got a DVD with seamless branching (I think) that I was gonna try a PAL/NTSC conversion using VobBlanker and the pulldown method. Now, I guess I'll have to figure something else out.
I've switched back to my audio problem thread, by the way. Stupid DVD. They released separate web only audio commentaries that I'm trying to add as a third track. Then I've got to split them and fix the menus. Why must they be dual-layer DVDs? | ||||||||||||
| giannid posted 2007 Dec 03 21:53 | ||||||||||||
| Thanks Baldrick for the great guide. I had spent most of the day last week trying to substitute a subtitle for another on one of my DVDs but kept getting little but significant errors, then I found this guide.
First I updated the programs as a few of the ones I had were previous versions. I also noticed in PgcDemux, you selected "by VOB id", whereas I had previously selected "by PGC". So I selected "by VOB id" like you have in your example. I followed your guide and the DVD played great, no errors. Thanks again for the guide! | ||||||||||||
| harryk posted 2007 Dec 05 01:57 | ||||||||||||
| manono, thank so much for your ideas. You were quite right. My problem seems to have been with Media Player Classic and WinDVD - either they have problems playing subtitles, or I was just unable to figure out how to turn on subtitles in those programs.
I'm sure that your recommendation of PowerDVD would have worked too. But before downloading that, I tried (just for fun) the standard Microsoft Windows Media Player. And to my surprise, it worked great. It just has a simple menu entry to turn subtitles on/off. Worked as soon as I tried it. Now that I feel confident I've really got subtitles that work, I'm ready to go on to try to burn a DVD! Thanks also to baldrick for this great guide - so much simpler than other ones I had looked at earlier. It's much appreciated. Harry | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2007 Dec 05 02:10 | ||||||||||||
I can imagine your elation when you finally saw the subs on which you had worked so hard suddenly appear for the first time when playing the DVD. I'm sure after burning to disc they'll show up on your TV set, too. Good going. | ||||||||||||
| top_cat posted 2007 Dec 22 21:45 | ||||||||||||
Hi! This guide is very good. I used it to add a subtitle to a film, in my PC, POWERDVD played the new subtitle perfect, but when I put it on my standalone player, it freezes on the firts apperance of the new subtitle. The other subtitle is ok, but the new one freezes and the only way to have it back again is to tunr off the player on its outlet. Are there anyone that can solve this? Thank for any help. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2007 Dec 23 00:25 | ||||||||||||
| Bad news, eh? I don't make my subs using the methods outlined in this guide, so I don't know what the problem might be. What happens if you try them in a different DVD player, like over at a friend's house? Same thing? I've never heard of anything being wrong with the SUP files created by SubtitleCreator.
How about during the Muxman step? If for a 16:9 DVD, did you load each SUP file twice? Open one SUP file and click on Wide followed by LB. Then open the 2nd SUP file and click on Wide followed by LB. Did you do that? The guide is a little bit unclear on that part. If that's not the problem, then I can suggest a different way of making subs for Muxman. | ||||||||||||
| HurriGame posted 2007 Dec 24 04:03 | ||||||||||||
| hye all. i know that this is not the right place to make this post but i didn`t knew where else to put it. so here are my problems .
1. there are some DVD menus that when you go with the mouse cursor over a text from the menu,that text changes his color.i`ll take an exemple so that it will be more easy for you tu understand my problem. let`s say my text is white and when i go with the cursor over it it turns into red . Good. After i make a .bmp of the menu part (whit vob blanker) that i want to edit and edit that part in photoshop by replacing one text whit another after i make the dvd whit vob blanker when i go over the edited text it`s showing what has been there before editing the .bmp ,in red colour. my question is how can i either delete ale those red colours from the texts or how can i also edit the red colour of the text that i edited in my .bmp . here is a picture for you to understand better what i`m saying. 
the red colour that i said as an example is the purple colour from the photo. and 2. how can i change the button of a menu . with what programs and how? for example at some dvd menus the buttons appear like an underline,a rectangle,a square ,etc. ... how can i put what i want there? ... here`s also a picture so you understant what i`m saying 
pls reply. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2007 Dec 24 06:55 | ||||||||||||
Hi-
Both require the same thing; editing the underlying subpic. DVDSubEdit is probably the easiest way to do this, perhaps followed by a quick PGCEdit visit to adjust the button outlines (like if the text changed size, as when the "Romanian" in the first pic became bigger/wider than what was there before). http://download.videohelp.com/DVDSubEdit/UserManual/helpfile.htm Section 4 explains the process. | ||||||||||||
| tmihai20 posted 2007 Dec 24 07:23 | ||||||||||||
| I have found a solution and I posted it HERE | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2007 Dec 25 00:19 | ||||||||||||
I disagree with that. I edit motion M2Vs all the time. You can't do it (easily) for all of them, but there's a class of menu where it's not difficult at all, if you know a little AviSynth: 
This is a menu from an Italian DVD that I edited to add in some English language text. Above the text, where that girl is, that's all moving video, scenes from the movie. The menu editing guide to which you linked doesn't explain how to do that, but by using the information contained in that guide, combined with some encoding and AviSynth knowledge, it's not at all difficult. I suppose you can do similar things using NLEs, but I prefer AviSynth's abilities in this regard. | ||||||||||||
| giannid posted 2008 Jan 03 10:41 | ||||||||||||
Your subtitles may have an error that your computer handles or ignores but your standalone has trouble processing it. I'd download SubtitleWorkshop and have it fix the errors: Open your .srt file with Subtitle Workshop. Hit CTRL+I (information errors will load) Click on Fix Errors, then OK File -> Save As -> choose subrip (for .srt files) Use new .srt file with Subtitle Creator to make your .sup file | ||||||||||||
| goodboy608 posted 2008 Jan 30 13:48 | ||||||||||||
| Thanks for the guide.
I could add subtitles only with using method 2. Remaking my DVD I faced the subtitle synchronization problem. Using tips from Subtitle Creator help don’t solve the problem. In that help advised to do subtitle synchronization by original VTS files or by connecting them to some existing subtitles. When I used the VTSs at the beginning of a movie everything is OK, but after a while synch. mistake appears which became bigger to the end of the move. When I used existing subtitles I found out that they could be wrong done or I could have a difficulty in recognizing sentences. For example, my existing subtitles were in Chinese which I don’t know. From reading the forum I did not find an advice of solving my problem. I believe this problem is not only mine. I understood that synchronization should be done by demuxed VTSs or by video M2V and audio AudioFile_80. I tried to do it using free subtitle editor DSRT http://dsrt.boom.ru/down-eng.htm or http://dsrt.boom.ru/ with use of only AudioFile_80 made with PgcDemux from original VTS files. The result appears to be great and stable! I would like an author of Subtitle Creator made an option to make subtitles synchronization by demuxed VTS files. | ||||||||||||
| shorto posted 2008 Mar 02 17:58 | ||||||||||||
nice guide just one question, I get all black subtitles, If I click the "Use prefered subtitles" that is supposed to fix the problem, my subtitles are a mix of pink, yellow and black. Any ideas? Oh and i?m following the first method...
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| manono posted 2008 Mar 02 19:39 | ||||||||||||
| Open all the VOBs from the finished DVD at once in DVDSubEdit and change the colors. Here's a guide:
http://download.videohelp.com/DVDSubEdit/Guides/ChangingColors/Guide.htm | ||||||||||||
| shorto posted 2008 Mar 03 03:11 | ||||||||||||
| Using DVDSubEdit seems to go fine, but now when I enter the main menu and click play movie, the whole movie freezes... | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Mar 03 11:16 | ||||||||||||
| That's nothing to do with DVDSubEdit, unless you're trying to play the DVD on the hard drive with the VOBs still loaded into DVDSubEdit. | ||||||||||||
| Amerzone posted 2008 Mar 21 22:46 | ||||||||||||
Awesome guide. I have a problem in the Muxman phase. I agree that the guide does not describe this specific step very well, especially for a newbie like me. What I did is : In the original DVD (it's a 16:9), there are 4 subtitle tracks, each one with two identical streams. According to DVDRemake Pro, they are : Track 0 EN : Stream 0 0x20, Stream 1 0x21 Track 1 FR : Stream 2 0x22, Stream 3 0x23 Track 2 ES : Stream 4 0x24, Stream 5 0x25 Track 3 PT : Stream 6 0x26, Stream 7 0x27 They are two streams in each track, one WS, the other is LB, do I understand correctly? The demuxed subtitle streams from PGCDemux are eight files, Subpictures_20 to 27.sup, in 4 pairs of identical files (20-21, 22-23, 24-25, 26-27). The question is, am I picking the correct files in MuxMan? The log I got is : MuxMan version 0.15R Accepted video N:\DVD_DEMUXED\VideoFile.m2v size = 4023501920 Accepted audio N:\DVD_DEMUXED\AudioFile_80.ac3 Opened sub 1 file N:\DVD_DEMUXED\Subpictures_20.sup. Opened sub 2 file N:\DVD_DEMUXED\Subpictures_22.sup. Opened sub 3 file N:\DVD_DEMUXED\Subpictures_24.sup. Opened sub 4 file N:\SYNC_SUBTITLE\my_subtitle-sync.sup. expanded database to 300 entries. Begin multiplex VTS01. Title Segment List Segment_1 Encoded stream 20 is script stream 1. Encoded stream 21 is script stream 2. Encoded stream 22 is script stream 3. Encoded stream 23 is script stream 4. Maximum audio duration 418510 fields. Starting scene Segment_1_scn1 at 00:00:00:00 Starting scene Segment_1_scn2 at 00:00:23:10 Starting scene Segment_1_scn3 at 00:00:36:25 ...... Starting scene Segment_1_scn40 at 01:51:36:21 End of video file Bytes remaining in buffer = 0. Bitrate - avg: 5185759, min: 589234 (lba 0), max: 9722373 (lba 254606). Shortest GOP has 5 fields, longest GOP has 30 fields. Fields: 418506, VOBU: 13828, Sectors: 2209922. Begin multiplex VMG. End multiplex. If I open now the MuxMan VIDEO_TS folder with DVDRemakePro, I get Track 0 EN : Stream 0 0x20 Track 1 FR : Stream 1 0x21 Track 2 ES : Stream 2 0x22 Track 3 GR : Stream 3 0x23 How come that I don't get both WS and LB streams for each track? I probably don't press the Wide / LB buttons in the MuxMan window? (but I did and the track identification says Wide and LB on the left side...) Please, someone clarify this step in more detail. I know I'm very close, I just miss an important detail!
Could you perhaps enlighten us, thanks! | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Mar 22 02:46 | ||||||||||||
Hi-
Yep. I may not have read your long post correctly, but I'm wondering what you did with the original streams 21, 23, 25, and 27, which are the LB streams for each sub track. Did you not use them? The reason I ask is because how you load the subs is dependent on which of the streams you use. Also, what happens when you play the Muxman authored DVD (ignoring the wrong colors for now)? When testing out all the subtitle languages, do you get them all, some of them, none of them? If you're using all 8 streams for the 4 tracks then tick 1, load Stream 0x20, hit Wide. Tick 2, load Stream 0x21, hit LB. Tick 3, load Stream 0x22, hit Wide. Tick 4, load Stream 0x23, hit LB. And so on. If you don't want to use the LB streams, then tick 1, load Stream 0x20, hit Wide followed by hitting LB. Tick 2, load Stream 0x22, hit Wide followed by hitting LB, and so on. Since I don't use DVDRemake, I have no idea if the results will show like the original retail DVD or not. I'm guessing that following the first method will give you results like the retail DVD, and following the 2nd method will give you results like you got. But using either of those 2 methods should get you good subs on both 16:9 and 4:3 TV sets. And from the sound of it, you have a working DVD already, and I'm wondering about the reason for this post. Is it only because it doesn't look the same in DVDRemake as the original DVD?
I'm a little foggy on the details now, but I think the guy to whom I was responding was having trouble with a SUP file he created himself, after creating subs from scratch, and I was going to suggest making SST subs (which Muxman also supports), if he wasn't having any luck with his SUP files. None of that would apply to you, as you're using the SUP files straight from the retail DVD. In addition, he was using one SUP file for both the Wide and LB tracks, where you have one SUP for each. I think you used the Wide SUP files for both the Wide and LB streams. | ||||||||||||
| Amerzone posted 2008 Mar 22 11:51 | ||||||||||||
I am afraid that I did not use them.
I get all the subtitle languages in the DVD produced by MuxMan, but when I replace the PGC in the original DVD in the VobBlanker step, then they are screwed up.
Yes, now I understand what I should do. I have somehow misunderstood how I had to load the streams.
This is what I did.
Sorry, I did not mention that after the VobBlanker phase, the subtitles did not work as I had planned.
Indeed, I did so. Thanks to your valuable help, it now works ok. One more detail : in the final DVD that I get from VobBlanker, my subtitle stream does not appear as Greek (this is the language that I set for the track 4 when muxing with MuxMan), but as Portuguese like in the original DVD. I'm curious, is this normal? I changed the description to Greek with DVDRemake Pro easily. Could you recommend a freeware tool that I could use, instead, to do this change? (sorry for my ignorance...) | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Mar 22 17:44 | ||||||||||||
Hi-
Hehe, if I had bothered to read what steps the guide has you perform I would have realized the problem came after the VobBlanker step. Or if, as you say, you had mentioned the VobBlanker step. Yes, when doing it the way you did initially, which winds up changing things that VobBlanker doesn't know about because it's using the original IFOs, you have to open the completed and funky-sub-playing DVD in PGCEdit and make it right again. It's quite easy to do and I'd give you instructions and pics if you were still having problems.
VobBlanker doesn't use the sub languages in the IFOs Muxman created for you (not at default settings, anyway), but gets them from the original IFOs which showed that sub language as Portuguese. So, even bothering to set the languages in Muxman was a waste of time. Here PGCEdit comes to the rescue again. Open the completed VOBBlanker processed DVD in PGCEdit. First, highlight your video in the left panel. Then, along the top is a row of icons, including one near the right side looking like a green reel of film. Hit it and you'll be taken to a screen where you can change the "pt" to "el". OK your way back out and save. Now you should should be good to go. If you want to actually edit the subtitle menu and replace the "Portuguese" with "Greek", then you might find my menu editing guide useful: http://forum.videohelp.com/topic313743.html#1606732 | ||||||||||||
| Alex_ander posted 2008 Apr 28 10:24 | ||||||||||||
You can use DVDReMake only to replace a PGC or a VTS (in case all menus are outside it) keeping stream data from Muxman. To replace main movie PGC (the case when there's one PGC in a VTS with menu). 1.Import original DVD and Muxman' output as separate projects. 2.Copy post- & pre- (sometimes also cell-) command lists of the original PGC to Muxman version instead of its own lists. 3.(optional if you plan to manually check each chapter number) When you mux back using celltimes file, Muxman will make every cell a program and this often results in more programs than original DVD had (a program often includes more than one cell). Compare Program lists of the 2 projects and remove excessive programs using 'delete program' from right click. 4.Export original PGC CLUT to file, then delete the original PGC with delete key. 5.Copy the PGC from Muxman project and put it to original DVD using 'Add Copied PGCs'. Import CLUT from file, saved at previous step. 6.Register the PGC as VTS title and its programs as chapters. 7.Restore title registration # in VMG and in items shown in red (if any). 8.(optional) Force showing new subtitle using System Set instructions or edit subtitle menu. It's easier than it may seem from reading :). | ||||||||||||
| kapital posted 2008 May 07 13:45 | ||||||||||||
| I use: DVD Shrink, Subtitle Workshop, Subtitle Creator, VOB Blanker or Rejig or IFOedit.
My subtitles are fine when I use VLC player to test the video in the new Video_TS folder. But when I turn the whole thing into an ISO file to burn on a DVD, the subtitles turn green. I did manage the whole thing right at some point, but can't do it now, and can't figure what I am doing differently. Help anyone? Thanks. | ||||||||||||
| Alex_ander posted 2008 May 08 01:34 | ||||||||||||
| Did you edit CLUT in PGCEdit after using VOBBlanker?
VLC often shows the things better than they really are (I can remember even watching a DVD not properly de-CSSed), so I'd also test DVD folders in alternate player like MPC. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 May 08 01:40 | ||||||||||||
| Yeah, let's check out the CLUT (Color LookUp Table). Open the VOBs in DVDSubEdit, or the finished DVD in PGCEdit and double-click on the movie in the left window. I'll bet the CLUT is full of that ugly green color. You can change the colors in either program quite easily, but there's a guide available to doing it using DVDSubEdit:
http://download.videohelp.com/DVDSubEdit/Guides/ChangingColors/Guide.htm | ||||||||||||
| MrProsser posted 2008 May 25 05:54 | ||||||||||||
| I really have to thank everyone for the guides posted here and the posts that come afterwards. I do not know where I would be if it was not for them. That said I have some problems which could very well just be related to my inability to read and definately due to my being very new to this. I imagine this will be a rambling mess but I hope it will be clear enough what I did.
I have a Japanese dvd (no subtitles to begin with and it is 16:9 which adds extra fun to my newbiness as these two things seem to cause extra problems) but my Japanese language skills are not very good so I went looking for subtitles. I found a fansub of the movie, an mkv, and used MKVextractGUI to demux the streams and converted the .ass file to .sub using Subtitle Workshop 4. This is where my first possible issue appears. The mkv video had some extra video at the beginning that I had to remove from the subtitles. I adjusted the time of the first and last spoken line to the correct values making sure that the total time between these was the same as the original mkv file. The first and last times seem to be reasonable and match the DVD timing very well. However I do not know if the frame rate is correct. The FPS Subtitle Workshop automatically picked was 29.997. When I checked the original DVD with GSpot the FPS was 29.970 not 29.997 and the Pics/s was 23.976 (what are Pics/s as opposed to FPS?). Even if I set the FPS in Subtitle workshop to 29.970 by hand when I opened the file in SubtitleCreator to convert it to a sup file it asked me to pick the correct FPS from a list and the closest value was 29.997 anyway. What is the correct thing to do? After following the rest of the instructions for Method 2 without the last step using vobblanker (though I would like the original menus back when I do this for real) I tested the results. I could see the subtitles when I viewed the VOB files using VLC however I could not see them using MPC. Using VLC they were too low and partially cut off but I figure I can fix this using Subtitle Creator and going through the steps again. Here is another problem possibly related to the FPS issue. At the beginning the subtitles agree well with the dialogue but by the end they were slightly out of synch. Not by a large amount but enough to feel strange and obviously not be correct. What might be causing this? Also, is there any way to actually create a new menu to choose the subtitle language and still keep the other menus? Anyway, I am sure I will have many other problems but these issues right at the beginning are causing me concern and I do not know how they affect the rest of the steps. | ||||||||||||
| MrProsser posted 2008 May 25 23:59 | ||||||||||||
| Arg, I see I am totally mistaken about the FPS thing. Subtitle creator lets me pick 29.97 FPS. I guess at 04:00 my brain wasn't working. | ||||||||||||
| MrProsser posted 2008 May 26 06:28 | ||||||||||||
| Okay, I actually managed to get the DVD working, it actually was a FPS problem. However the subtitles still don't show up in Media Player Classic which is my prefered media player. Does anyone actually have any idea why it does not work? | ||||||||||||
| hamany posted 2008 May 27 02:09 | ||||||||||||
| thanks for the guide ..
I did all thing right and my subtitle apears .. i opend the ISO in the PC by VLC player ... it works perfect but whin I burned the ISO to a DVD and open it by the DVD Player .. some thing like FBI Anti-Piracy apeared the movie did not open ... only the trailers :-x How can I remove the FBI Anti-Piracy or crack it :shock: (( sorry .. my language is not well )) 8) AND THANKS :D | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 May 27 02:32 | ||||||||||||
VobBlanker: http://download.videohelp.com/jsoto/guides/VobBlanker/blanking/index.php | ||||||||||||
| hamany posted 2008 May 27 04:17 | ||||||||||||
| Thanks manono
I'll try this :) | ||||||||||||
| hamany posted 2008 May 27 04:58 | ||||||||||||
| i'm tring now .. but i dont think it will works
I have a question .. the blanking should works in the first time whin i used the SubtitleCreator .. is it right ? | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 May 27 11:46 | ||||||||||||
| I'm having a little trouble understanding you, but after you blank something (like the FBI warning screen), you then have to process the DVD. It's not actually gone until the DVD has been processed. You can also fix it so that it doesn't play (but it won't be removed, only skipped over) in PGCEdit by opening the DVD, finding the FBI screen, and then going PGC->Kill PGC Playback. It doesn't have to be processed then, only saved.
I don't know what any of this has to do with SubtitleCreator as I don't use it for whatever you're using it for. | ||||||||||||
| fairman posted 2008 May 30 10:21 | ||||||||||||
| I don't know if this has been answered before but please help me here:
Is there a way to put subtitles to a dvd with many different episodes, a tv series like Babylon 5, and thus several different subtitles to a different episode each and with the right timing. I am trying to put greek subtitles to season 2 and 3 of B5 (original dvds with no greek subs). Thank you! | ||||||||||||
| videobee posted 2008 Jun 11 18:42 | ||||||||||||
| Fascinating forum! I work part-time for a non-profit organization and they have asked me to figure out how to add subtitles to some of the DVD's they have produced. I have read through a lot of the posts on this thread, and am looking for instructions on how to add subtitles when there are none to begin with. I'm not quite clear if I have to create the subtitles first, or does one of these programs create them automatically? And if they can be created automatically, can I edit them for errors later, as some of the language is technical? Thanks ever so much for any help you can give me to get started. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jun 11 18:59 | ||||||||||||
| Hi-
Yes, first you create the subtitles and then you add them into the DVD. The created subs are originally in some sort of a text format before being converted to images (pictures, sort of) for the DVD. Using subtitle creating programs you can type in the text and synch it with the audio of the video, edit it, spell-check it, etc. Here's a list of the various subtitle programs: http://www.videohelp.com/tools/sections/subtitle Some are designed for subtitle creation. Personally, I use SubStation Alpha, but a lot of peole swear by Aegisub, others by SubtitleCreator or Subtitle Workshop. I don't know what to recommend for you, but maybe the ones that come with guides for their use, since you're a rank amateur. :) Once you've created the subs then comes the 2nd part (the relatively easy part) of adding them to the DVD. Making subs isn't all that much fun. I hope for your sake there's not a whole lot of dialog for which the subtitles are needed. Good luck. | ||||||||||||
| ihmcjacky posted 2008 Jun 13 12:53 | ||||||||||||
| Does anyone know the processing speed of the subtitle creator? It seems it is pretty slow, when I try to start the authoring processes, also there are errors when I try to edit the position of the subtitles in the preview window using the system preferred decoder, is this the bug of the subtitle creator? | ||||||||||||
| lfalqueto posted 2008 Jun 19 15:09 | ||||||||||||
| How can I synchronize the DVD subtlite with my .sup before adding it to the DVD? I have added the subtitle, following the first procedure, but the same got unsynchronized and blurred.
Thanks in advance, | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jun 19 22:04 | ||||||||||||
| This will assume that the subtitle is off by the same amount all the way through and you need to apply a simple delay. You can apply the delay to the SUP file in SubtitleCreator. Open SubtitleCreator and go Tools->Manipulate SUP or VobSub->Open Sub (in the new screen, open the SUP file)->Delay (Set the delay)->Save Sub (Save the modified SUP file). You can do the same thing, but this time to the VOBs themselves, using DVDSubEdit.
If the delay gets worse and worse as the movie goes along, then you most likely have a PAL/NTSC mismatch and you have to do other things to fix them. | ||||||||||||
| manusse posted 2008 Jun 21 04:47 | ||||||||||||
| Hi,
About the following question:
Normally SUP creation is pretty fast (less than 1 minute generally). But if you are using the DVD authoring wizard to add a new subtitle stream to an existing DVD, it takes some time because first, the DVD is being demuxed (using pgcdemux) then remuxed (using muxman) and then blanked using vobblanker and those tasks take some time. With my PC (5 years old P2.8GHz), it takes around one hour to complete it on an average DVD. Cheers Manusse | ||||||||||||
| sambat posted 2008 Jul 06 05:55 | ||||||||||||
| Hi, I have used the guide to add subtitles (using method 2) and as long as the original movie uses VTS_01 for the main title it works good.
But when the main title is, e.g. VTS_06 and I replace it with VTS_01 created by Muxman I end up with a truncated version of the movie and a non-functioning menu. My question is, should Vobblanker accept the output from Muxman (VTS_01) and replace existing VTS_06. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 06 07:51 | ||||||||||||
It should and it does. Your problem lies elsewhere. | ||||||||||||
| sambat posted 2008 Jul 06 08:55 | ||||||||||||
| Thank you - I was afraid that was the case.
In 'PGCDemux', if I use 'VOB id' mode, it does not let me select the whole movie (2:18:00) - if I use 'pgc' mode, I can - but that contradicts the guide. In either case it fails at the VOBBlanker stage.  | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 06 09:27 | ||||||||||||
| I just noticed that the guide pic says to choose by VOB ID. I don't use the guide, although I usually add or replace subs similarly, but I haven't ever demuxed by VOB ID. I always demux by PGC, unless I just want a cell for some reason. If you open the original DVD in VobBlanker, the entire movie is contained in a single PGC, isn't it? Then you should be demuxing by PGC.
How does the replacing fail when you've demuxed the entire PGC? Do you still only get part of the movie? And the reauthored movie with the new subs that Muxman made for you, it's complete? Only after doing the replace step does it become shortened? Or does it fail for some other reason? There's another way you can do the replacing, and that's using PGCEdit. But you can only use PGCEdit if that movie is the only PGC in the VTS (as seems to be the case here). Open the original DVD in PGCEdit, highlight the movie to be replaced in the left window, go File->Replace VTST Titles, and follow the instructions from there. This is an Indian movie, isn't it? I only see that 3-VOB ID-for-a-single-movie stuff with Indian movies. :) | ||||||||||||
| sambat posted 2008 Jul 06 12:15 | ||||||||||||
| The movie is 'Master and Commander' and when opened in VobBlanker it shows as one PGC.
After using PGCDemux in 'pgc' mode and loading the files into Muxman, if I also load the 'Celltimes.txt' file, I get this error message at the end of processing (and the output from Muxman cannot be used in Vobblanker because the VIDEO_TS.IFO file is zero size). If I don't import the text file, I can proceed to the end, and open Vobblanker to replace VTS_06 with the new VTS_01 - but the burned disk has no chapters and scene selection from the menu doesn't work.  [/img] | ||||||||||||
| sambat posted 2008 Jul 06 13:35 | ||||||||||||
To follow up, I had been using a rip from DVD Fab HD Decrypter for my test, so to be different I used those files, in and out of DVD Shrink. When I load the Shrinked files into PGC it now shows the entire title in one part. I then ran them through Muxman without error. I will process through Vobblanker and burn to disk, then follow up later. Thank you for nudging me along.  | ||||||||||||
| sambat posted 2008 Jul 06 15:05 | ||||||||||||
| I gave up on this movie.
Switched to 'Rejig' and basically get the same problem. No chapter information in the remuxed video when processed through Vobblanker. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 06 18:55 | ||||||||||||
| Sorry to be late in replying. So, the problem when demuxing by PGC is the Muxman one of it aborting because of the non-existant cell? That's a much different problem than the one you had when demuxing by VOB ID. And, actually, it's not much of a problem at all. Open the Celltimes.txt in Notepad and remove or delete the very last frame number (the last cell). Then reauthor using Muxman (and the edited Celltimes.txt) and replace in VobBlanker.
Master and Commander, eh? Coulda fooled me. :) | ||||||||||||
| sambat posted 2008 Jul 07 11:36 | ||||||||||||
I tried it and it worked - many thanks 8) It went straightforward once that last cell was deleted from the text file. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 07 15:09 | ||||||||||||
| Good, sorry it took so long to solve. I'll go into more detail about that problem, as it's a common one. Do you remember your pic of the 3 VOB IDs farther up? The last one was very short. It's the last cell and very close to the end of the movie. They often do it that way so if you choose the last chapter it almost immediately sends you back to the menu, rather than having to wait through, or fast forward through, the previous chapter (often the credits). But Muxman may not be able to create a cell so close to the end. They have to fall on I-Frames, and there may not be one at that exact place after the reencode. So it aborts. This is a bit of a nuisance, but one easily overcome.
What I do to find if this is going to happen is to open the LogFile.txt PGCDemux creates and have a look at the total framecount:
So, there are 224413 frames at the 29.97fps output framerate (for NTSC). And then open the Celltimes.txt and have a look at the bottom:
The last one is within 15 frames of the end. You can do one of 2 things; either decrease the framenumber by maybe 20 frames (so it's 224378), or just delete it. If deleted there will be no problem with Muxman, but VobBlanker will issue a warning and stick in a blank cell for the missing frame number, which effectively makes it pretty much like it was originally, and there will be no bad effects. | ||||||||||||
| shotokan101 posted 2008 Jul 07 17:45 | ||||||||||||
| Hi,
What are the steps to replace two existing subtitle streams on a dvd - and can the wizard be used ? thanks - great util BTW | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 08 02:56 | ||||||||||||
| Replacing 2 subtitles isn't any harder or different than replacing one. The newest Muxman has a slightly different way to load subs now, but it's nothing you can't easily figure out.
I don't know what wizard you're referring to. | ||||||||||||
| shotokan101 posted 2008 Jul 08 03:34 | ||||||||||||
Hi Manono - thanks for the quick reply. I'm a total "noob" at this so I've only been using the Subtitle Creator Wizard - method 1 from the first post so haven't gotten "down and dirty" with the detailed DVD structure stuff yet..... So my question was really about whether it's possible to replace two (or more) existing language subtitle streams in in "one pass" with the Wizrd method or wheteher you need to run the Wizard "all the way through" twice using the output DVD files from the first pass as the input to the second pass - which would obviously work but is somewhat long-winded and time consuming...... Hope this explains it a bit better :) | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 08 06:01 | ||||||||||||
| Oh, I see now. But I don't know the answer as I don't author with SubtitleCreator, but do it directly in Muxman (Method 2). Manusse would know and maybe he'll show up here. | ||||||||||||
| shotokan101 posted 2008 Jul 08 06:07 | ||||||||||||
| Hope he does - thank for the assistance anyway - if not then I'll have a look at how to use MUXMAN I guess - any tips ? :D | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 08 06:13 | ||||||||||||
| Any tips? Hehe, there's no guide for its use because you don't need one. If you need chapters, you create them by frame number (not time) and if for NTSC, by the 29.97fps output framerate. And you load a Celltimes.txt (created by PGCDemux when demuxing, or gotten from PGCEdit) with File->Import Chapter. Otherwise, load the M2V, the audio (AC3, probably), and your SUP file(s). The only trick there is that if the movie is 16:9 you'll load each SUP file twice. It warns you if not done properly, so there shouldn't be a problem. | ||||||||||||
| shotokan101 posted 2008 Jul 08 06:24 | ||||||||||||
| Thanks - I'll have a look :) | ||||||||||||
| shotokan101 posted 2008 Jul 08 07:53 | ||||||||||||
| Hi again,
Different question - Is it possible to change the Language Type of a Subtitle ? - as in to have it list "Scottish" instead of "English" or are the Language Names "Hard Coded" ? Thanks, Jim | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 08 08:17 | ||||||||||||
| I'm not sure if you want to change the language in the Subtitles Menu, or just the subtitle itself, like when using the remote to choose which you want. Both can be changed.
If there's a Subtitle Menu and you want to change the text to read something other than what it said originally, then have a look at my Menu Editing guide. If the Subs menu is static, then scroll down to The Easy Way portion: http://forum.videohelp.com/topic313743.html#1606732 If you just want to change it so it shows correctly when choosing the language if playing in PowerDVD or using the remote control for the standalone, then wait until you have the final DVD, open it in PGCEdit, highlight the movie in the left window and hit the green reel of film icon in the top right: 
In the new Streams Attributes screen you can set the languages. Hit the Language Codes button if you don't know the abbreviations for your languages. 
OK your way back to the main screen, save your work, and you should be good to go. | ||||||||||||
| shotokan101 posted 2008 Jul 08 08:35 | ||||||||||||
| Thanks again for the quick replies Manono - much appreciated.
That looks "relatively" straightforward - TBH I'm not sure the DVD has a subtiles menu - it's a Japanese DVD with two Subtitle tracks that are "remote" selectable - the DVD simply starts - plays throughy a couple of very short intro scenes and the starts the main movie - no top level menu obvious..... .....So what I was meaning was the Text that displays on-screen when you use the subtitle select button on the remote - and I suppose (assuming it's seperate) the Subtitle Languse Code "en English" (e.g.) thatis displayed in the Subtitle Creator tool for example. | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 08 09:36 | ||||||||||||
| Yeah, all languages have a 2 letter abbreviation that's the same whatever tool you use. | ||||||||||||
| shotokan101 posted 2008 Jul 08 09:50 | ||||||||||||
| Thanks - didn't know if that was being "picked up" from the existing DVD structure files or was "hard coded" in the tools.
So does that mean that you can or can't get the "on screen" Language to show as "Scottish" or not using PGCEdit ? (sorry for my thickness) - I've already managed to replace the two original subtitles with English and Scottish (LOL) text versions but at the momement obviously both show onscreen as English during selection. I know that at the meoment this may seem "frivolous" (and indeed such is my initial application ;) ) but in future I might wish to add a Gaelic subtitle for example (or is Gaelic already recognised ? - sorry but don't have access to the actual tools at the moemnt till I get home to check) | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 08 12:20 | ||||||||||||
| According to the language codes, gd is Scots Gaelic. I guess even the obscure ones will show up. Never know till you try, I guess. | ||||||||||||
| shotokan101 posted 2008 Jul 08 12:27 | ||||||||||||
| Thanks Again - I'll use that for now :) | ||||||||||||
| pcb posted 2008 Jul 09 13:05 | ||||||||||||
| hi, i am just using this guide for the first times, using method 2
my source dvd already have 1 subtitle ( english ) , so i want to add 1 subtitle more ( malay ) , so total it will be 2 subtitles, all process go well till vobblanker, but the result is only show malay subtitle , the english sub didn't know why didn't show, any advice ? | ||||||||||||
| shotokan101 posted 2008 Jul 09 18:32 | ||||||||||||
| Hi - new problem :)
Widescreen DVD - as usual using Wizard Mode in Subtitle Creator to add subtitles. I've replaced a second subtitle with one of my own and added a third subtitle as well. Everything is fine when played in s/w dvd player on pc but on my "real" dvd player only the first (original) subtitle is visible - TV is 4:3 and PC player is widescreen. (DVD is widescreen) Any thoughts/suggestions ? | ||||||||||||
| sambat posted 2008 Jul 09 19:13 | ||||||||||||
This guide (steps 8 and 9) refer to the actual position on the screen of the new subs and the language listing of the new subpics when selected from the remote. I had to use both after I added a new subtitle to the DVD after VobBlanker http://www.acfmovies.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=31371 | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 09 20:53 | ||||||||||||
Maybe. Did you add the Malay one first, followed by the English one? If so, you have to "turn on" the new subtitle as the IFOs show only one. There's a link in that guide thread for my method of getting the additional subtitle to show up: http://forum.videohelp.com/topic338721.html#1778185 If you added the English first followed by the Malay subs, then you added the streams incorrectly. If this is a 16:9 DVD, each subtitle has to be added twice, once for 16:9 playback (Widescreen), and once for 4:3 playback (Letterbox). Muxman will warn you if you haven't done it correctly. The guide has a picture of the warnings before the necessary buttons have been selected. The newer version of Muxman has a very slightly different GUI and warning, but it's not hard to figure out. Maybe the second suggestion applies to shotokan101's problem as well. I don't know. | ||||||||||||
| pcb posted 2008 Jul 09 23:52 | ||||||||||||
| thank manono, it is 16.9
i am using muxman 0.15R i have follow this step http://forum.videohelp.com/topic338721.html#1778185 the pgcedit show like this 
so i hit subpicture VOB 1 in my first post i add english first then malay and only show malay sub and the color is normal ,and now i add malay in sub picture 1 & 2 and english in sub picture 3 & 4, and still only show malay and the color is weird  | ||||||||||||
| manono posted 2008 Jul 10 02:16 | ||||||||||||
| I didn't quite get all of that. What are you showing me, the DVD after Muxman, or the final DVD after VobBlanker? Open the one after the Muxman authoring step and it had better not look like that. If you loaded the 2 languages of subs correctly, then both the sub streams 0 and 1 should be activated.
Here's how you do the Muxman subs. If a 16:9 DVD, Muxman requires that the SUP file be loaded twice; once for Wide and once for LB. You open the SUP file, then hit "Wide" followed by "LB". Then change the sub stream number to "2" (if using the most recent version 16.6 of Muxman), load the second language, hit "Wide" followed by "LB". Author the DVD. Open it in PGCEdit and confirm you have both languages. Play the DVD in Power DVD. Make sure you can see both languages. When you're sure that works OK, then do the replace step in VobBlanker, and afterwards increase the number of subs from 1 in the original DVD to 2 in the final DVD by using PGCEdit and following the instructions in my post. You can fix the colors in that same screen in PGCEdit by changing them in th |