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| Cingular posted 2009 Oct 31 10:25 | ||
| Hello everyone,
I have read though the forums quite a bit, and from what I can tell the high end "Digital 8" camcorders such as the TRV-740, TRV-820, TRV-840 and the GV-D200, GV-D800 are better playback sources because their electronics/noise reduction qualities somewhat better than high end vintage decks such as the EV-S7000 which dates to 1994. Do the TRV-740, TRV-820, TRV-840 camcorders offer any advantage over the GV-D200, GV-D800? I hear that they offer the same performance? If so, then why are people gravitating toward the camcorders rather than this Digital 8 VCR? Wouldn't the GV-D200, GV-D800 offer an edge over the TRV-740, TRV-820, TRV-840 type cameras? I am guessing that there is no real disadvantage to using a camcorder over a deck in terms of playback? The Sony Digital 8 Walkmans are still on B&H photo's website: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?ci=5246&N=4291078617+4291215468 | ||
| moxiecat posted 2009 Oct 31 10:48 | ||
| I believe there are advantages to using a natively-analog deck/camcorder for 8mm/Hi8 tapes (such as the EV-S7000) rather than a natively-digital deck like the D200/D800. The S7000 does have TBC and adjustable DNR--it's a pretty decent unit.
Do a search on this forum for more details; I'm pretty sure a discussion on analog vs. digital decks for 8mm/Hi8 discussion took place here a year or so ago. The only reason I can find for people choosing a Digital8 camcorder over a Digital8 deck is that the decks are more expensive and frequently not in stock at electronics retailers (at least that was my experience a year ago when I bought one). | ||
| Cingular posted 2009 Oct 31 12:09 | ||
| Actually I have searched the forums about Hi-8 playback decks. The consensus was that it was somewhat inconclusive. The EV-S7000 was better at tracking, and the noise reduction of the Digital 8 units/TBC, newer technology was better overall. At lest, that is what I have found thus far.
I will look around on the forum some more. Thanks for your insight/information. | ||
| edDV posted 2009 Oct 31 15:24 | ||
| All the high end Digital8's are out of production. Electronically The GV-D200/800 are identical for performance to the 740 (same generation) but the deck packaging is better for buttons, tape change and connector I/O. I sometimes use my D200 to record off an older Hi8 camcorder. It takes the same N series batteries as the early Hi8 camcorders. Battery operation is also great for in field editing with a laptop.
I haven't done a comparison but I'd expect the pro EV decks to outperform when connected to a pro frame sync or frame TBC. | ||
| deuce8pro posted 2009 Oct 31 18:40 | ||
| There would be no need using the d8 cam's to play back your hi8 tapes with another tbc as well. | ||
| edDV posted 2009 Nov 01 13:08 | ||
The EV decks don't have a frame memory TBC. | ||
| Cingular posted 2009 Nov 03 12:58 | ||
| The EV-S7000 has some sort of TBC as referenced by the "TBC" light on the unit. What type of TBC is on the EV-S7000 and why is it not optimal?
edDV: What is a "frame memory TBC?" How is a "frame memory TBC" better, how does it help? Do the Sony camcorders TRV-740, TRV-820, TRV-840, etc. have this "frame memory TBC?" | ||
| edDV posted 2009 Nov 03 13:22 | ||
| The EV-S7000 will have a line TBC which is good for Hi8. All sony players with TBC would be line memory TBC.
A frame based TBC has one or more frames of memory. These would be used for the next level of quality. A good example is the FOR.A FA series. These would be used in pro dub houses. http://www.for-a.com/products/fa125/fa125.html http://www.for-a.com/products/category/frame_synchronizers_time_base_co.html http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=For.A%20Tbc&N=0 | ||
| Cingular posted 2009 Nov 06 10:31 | ||
| I have talked to For-A on two occasions in regard to their Time Base Correctors. I asked them, in terms of application which unit would be best for a VHS/Hi-8 to digital conversion. It seems that their product line is geared toward professional broadcast, and they are unfamiliar with someone using their equipment in that manner.
For-A's choice of a TBC for this application minus the digital conversion was the FA-125. The FA-125 does have a built in proc-amp, the controls are in little holes designed for screwdriver access. If you use a FA-125 does it make the use of a Proc amp such as the Data Video PA-200 or Elite Video units redundant? edDV what type of TBC is in the Data-Video TBC-1000? How does it compare to the FA-125? edDV, so, in summary, it seems from you experience that at For-A FA-125 is a significantly? better solution than the Data video TBC-1000 or AV toolbox AVT-8710? Thanks for your help | ||
| edDV posted 2009 Nov 06 10:55 | ||
You asked for the best quality. I haven't compared them side by side. I'd expect the FA-125 to offer better performance. Contact your local FOR.A dealer and request a comparison. | ||
| lordsmurf posted 2009 Nov 06 11:14 | ||
| I just finished buying a really nice TBC, it's supposed to have "sparkle reduction/removal" in addition to normal TBC and frame sync. We'll see! | ||
| Bix posted 2009 Nov 07 13:10 | ||
| LS, what's the brand/model #? | ||
| lordsmurf posted 2009 Nov 09 01:09 | ||
| I don't want to share just yet ..... let's see if it works first. I have a PERFECT tape for it as a test. | ||
| Bix posted 2009 Nov 10 17:02 | ||
| Is it it a prosumer or professional TBC? I'm curious who the sparkle remover would be marketed to and how it works. | ||
| vhelp posted 2009 Nov 11 09:02 | ||
| Hi all..my job gave me the day off :lol:
I too am interested, for those tapes that I made recordings of the olympics on--they were done on cheap (sony and a few other cheaper) tapes in EP mode..else i'm still working on a "sofware" tool to target and remove manaully when time allows me to work on it. So, yeah, I would also like to know more about this "sparkle" feature. that is, it is something marked on the unit as a feature or was/is it something coensidental and works seemingly as a de-sparkle. It could be an internal video type cleaner of some sort, hence coensidental :) But if its too expansive I may not be so interested in..thanks. -vhelp 5252 |
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