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Blu-ray disk authoring: BD player rejects them

swraman posted 2009 Jun 16 16:44

Hi, Im trying to author blu-ray content to a DVD and play it in my blu-ray player. I used tsMuxer to build a blu-ray disk from an MKV, then imgBurn to burn it in UDF 2.50. It didnt work. Then I tried authoring an AVCHD disk (from an MKV file) in tsMuxeR and burnt it the same way. It worked. Now I'm trying to author a blu-ray disk from HDV video. I followed the tutorial here: http://forum.videohelp.com/topic346069.html But my player rejects all the disks I put in that are burnt this way. I tried using tsMuxeR for authoring an AVCHD disk and burnt it. It didnt work. Any ideas?

Baldrick posted 2009 Jun 16 16:49

Try multiAVCHD!

jman98 posted 2009 Jun 16 17:00

Follow Baldrick's suggestion, but naming your player model could have been helpful. Some players have very specific requirements for BluRay content on DVD and maybe if we knew what your player was, someone might know what you need to do. http://www.doom9.net has a list of various players and the requirements to get BluRay on DVD working. Some players require specific directories to be on the disc and other players have completely different requirements, so there's no "one size fits all" approach. And some players may not play BluRay on DVD media no matter what you do.

swraman posted 2009 Jun 16 17:03

My blu-ray player is a Samsung BD P1600 I know it can play HD content on DVD, as I converted a x264 MKV to AVCHD disk (with tsMuxeR) and it worked fine. But the HDV video doesnt seem to work. Can you link me to the list of specifics for each player on doom9? I couldnt find it on Gooogle. I tried multiAVCHD, with all default settings, and then burnt the BDMV and HDAVCTN folders to a DVD in UDF 2.5 and it was a no go. :( any more ideas? Thanks

poisondeathray posted 2009 Jun 16 17:11

Unfortunately you will find 99% of the information will be for h.264, including the lists for models and compatibility workarounds on Doom9. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=146339 You can try searching for posts by racer-x on the hv20 forums for HDV specific info Technically HDV (MPEG2) doesn't fall into AVCHD specs, which are the disks you are authoring when using tsmuxer for DVD5/9. Are you using blu-ray media, and using the blu-ray option in tsmuxer?

swraman posted 2009 Jun 16 17:27

im using the blu-ray option in tsMuxer. There is a tutorial onexactly what I want to do (HDV->Bluray DVD with no video reencoding) as I linked to in my 1st post so I was hoping there is a way to get it to work. Converting everything to 264 would take forever. Do Bluray players not support high definition mpeg2 video by default? Thanks, any more help appreciated.

poisondeathray posted 2009 Jun 16 17:31

Yes blu-ray player support MPEG2 by default, on blu-ray media (many retail blu-rays use MPEG2). Not so sure on DVD5/9 media, although it seems some managed to get it to work Firmware? You can try using the one of the older tsmuxer versions that seemed to work in that post instead of the recent versions

swraman posted 2009 Jun 16 18:09

Hmm...It says that the player supports AVCHD in its description, and I read reviews of someone saying they were able to play avcHD on a DVD. Am I doing something wrong? I used tsMuxeR to create an AVCHD disk and burnt the 2 folders to a DVD in imgburn w/ udf 2.5/

poisondeathray posted 2009 Jun 16 18:12

swraman : Hmm...It says that the player supports AVCHD in its description, and I read reviews of someone saying they were able to play avcHD on a DVD. Am I doing something wrong? I used tsMuxeR to create an AVCHD disk and burnt the 2 folders to a DVD in imgburn w/ udf 2.5/ That's the thing; AVCHD is AVC based (i.e. h.264), not MPEG2 You can definitely play AVCHD on a DVD on the majority of blu-ray players, but technically you aren't using AVCHD, you are using HDV (MPEG2). MPEG2 falls within the blu-ray spec, but not the AVCHD spec

johns0 posted 2009 Jun 16 18:17

I can play mpeg mixed on a avchd dvdr on my sony 350.

swraman posted 2009 Jun 16 18:41

poisondeathray : swraman : Hmm...It says that the player supports AVCHD in its description, and I read reviews of someone saying they were able to play avcHD on a DVD. Am I doing something wrong? I used tsMuxeR to create an AVCHD disk and burnt the 2 folders to a DVD in imgburn w/ udf 2.5/ That's the thing; AVCHD is AVC based (i.e. h.264), not MPEG2 You can definitely play AVCHD on a DVD on the majority of blu-ray players, but technically you aren't using AVCHD, you are using HDV (MPEG2). MPEG2 falls within the blu-ray spec, but not the AVCHD spec So is there any way to burn the mpeg stream to a DVD without re-encoding?

poisondeathray posted 2009 Jun 16 18:52

swraman : So is there any way to burn the mpeg stream to a DVD without re-encoding? It seems to work for some stand alone models. You can try the suggestions above (try different firmware, different tsmuxer revision, search hv20 forums, search for your specific model...)

swraman posted 2009 Jun 16 18:58

poisondeathray : swraman : So is there any way to burn the mpeg stream to a DVD without re-encoding? It seems to work for some stand alone models. You can try the suggestions above (try different firmware, different tsmuxer revision, search hv20 forums, search for your specific model...) ok, Ill give it a try. Just to be clear, it would work for sure if I had a bluray burner and burnt using BD-R disks, correct? The problem is because im trying to use bluray content on a DVD right?

poisondeathray posted 2009 Jun 16 19:02

swraman : Just to be clear, it would work for sure if I had a bluray burner and burnt using BD-R disks, correct? The problem is because im trying to use bluray content on a DVD right? There are no "for sures" when you are burning discs. I haven't made an HDV sourced BD25 myself (I've made MPEG2 on BD25), but I would say it more likely to work on BD25 media than a DVD5/9

ronnylov posted 2009 Sep 03 06:49

Blu-ray does not support MPEG-2 at HDV resolution 1440x1080. According to the specifications this resolution is only allowed when encoded with h.264 or VC-1. 1920x1080 is allowed resolution with MPEG-2. But some players may be able to play 1440x1080 MPEG-2 as a non-standard disc (in the same way as some DVD players can play DVD at non-standard resolution). http://www.videohelp.com/hd

jman98 posted 2009 Sep 03 08:04

ronnylov : Blu-ray does not support MPEG-2 at HDV resolution 1440x1080. According to the specifications this resolution is only allowed when encoded with h.264 or VC-1. 1920x1080 is allowed resolution with MPEG-2. But some players may be able to play 1440x1080 MPEG-2 as a non-standard disc (in the same way as some DVD players can play DVD at non-standard resolution). http://www.videohelp.com/hd I would suggest to any readers of this thread that "some players may be able to play 1440x1080 MPEG-2 as a non-standard disc" is a more theoretical and unlikely to happen "may be able to" than a likely to happen "may be able to". My limited experience with BluRay players and BluRay content on DVD is that the players are all incredibly fussy and if everything isn't exactly what they are looking for, they will not play the disc.

ni9ht_5ta1k3r posted 2009 Sep 26 07:39

That's weird cos I did a test with an NCAA broadcast (or a few minutes of it) encoded it at it's original resolution of 1440x1080 @ 24fps with the mpeg-2 coded and it worked fine on my PS3. EDIT: I was burning it onto a blu-ray disc. the programs i used was sony vegas 8 to render the video from 1440x1080i50 to 1440x1080p24 with the MPEG-2 codec, DVD Architect 5 to render it as a blu-ray disc and of course my player was a PS3...all 3 are sony products too: weird! EDIT 2: What is the max recording time that you can have on a BD-25?

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