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Blu-ray backup won't play in PS3 | ||||
| DGenerateKane posted 2009 Sep 16 01:41 | ||||
| I tried burning my first Blu-ray today to utter failure. I followed the guide by milOtis, I ripped to ISO with anydvd, used dvd rebuilder to make a bd-25 and then burned it. I got an invalid disc message. So I went back and patched the index file witht the correct option selected and burned again. Same message. The first one plays fine on my computer, haven't tested the patched one yet. What gives? This doesn't seem to be the data disc error either because I read at least one person could browse the contents of the disc on the ps3 but all I can do is launch it and wait 10 seconds for the error message to appear. | ||||
| fritzi93 posted 2009 Sep 16 07:23 | ||||
| Are you doing full disc or movie only?
Maybe the problem is complex menus incorrectly remapped in BDRB and/or PIP tracks. What movie are you trying to backup? Also, what software player are you using on your computer? (I use TME, which is exceptionally tolerant.) Tried a different movie, main movie only? Good luck. :wink: | ||||
| DGenerateKane posted 2009 Sep 16 15:53 | ||||
| I chose full disc, that being Pearl Harbor. I haven't looked at any playback software yet, I'm just using PowerDVD that came with my drive at the moment. I don't have any other Blu-rays yet to try. | ||||
| ocgw posted 2009 Sep 16 22:01 | ||||
The problem may not be your disc, it is probably w/ PDVD, Cyberlink has "caved in" and disabled iso playback, I have saved the last version before they disabled iso playback and I never allow it to update because if I do I will immediately get that same message After I install PDVD I then update it to the version I saved and then delete a file that nags me to update lol If you allowed PDVD to update try reinstalling it, if your version is new you may be stuck unfortunately ocgw peace | ||||
| DGenerateKane posted 2009 Sep 16 23:04 | ||||
| I don't have a problem with powerdvd, I have a problem playing the disc on my PS3. I tried making a BD-5 and this time it played, up until the actual movie that is. It started playing the preview for blu-rays and then the short about copying movies is bad and then it said invalid disc. This sucks. | ||||
| fritzi93 posted 2009 Sep 17 04:29 | ||||
| I asked about your software player out of curiosity. I've had a couple instances where TME played a backup correctly and the standalone did not.
One of my first BD backups was a Band of Brothers disc, full disc mode. Mind you, I was doing BD5, but anyway. TME played the backup fine, the standalone did not. Tried a newer version of BDRB. (Seems there's a new version every week). This one played okay, but activating the interactive timeline in the menu froze the player. Again TME played it. Next try, new version, this one worked, but chapter timings were off for the second episode. Okay, good enough. Maybe sometime I'll get around to trying another version of BDRB on it. [shrugs] So Pearl Harbor is a Disney/Buena Vista release. The release date (Dec 2006) indicates it's not a BD+ disc. Could it be something's not quite right with the decryption? As to PIP, that was an HD-DVD standard, not Blu-Ray. Most of the PIP problems involve Universal discs ported straight from HD-DVD to Blu-Ray. So the problem probably isn't that. From what I can gather, Pearl Harbor has a lot of extras on the disc. All I can think of is you really should try movie only just to rule in or out the menus being the problem. Good luck. :wink: | ||||
| ocgw posted 2009 Sep 17 04:31 | ||||
Did you run AVCHD Patcher set to "100"? ocgw peace | ||||
| jman98 posted 2009 Sep 17 05:01 | ||||
| I have no way to test this, but if I remember correctly I have read here that full disc backups of Blu Ray to DVD media don't work at all on the PS3. Movie only is said to work. Do some research to confirm this. | ||||
| fritzi93 posted 2009 Sep 17 05:14 | ||||
I'm pretty sure that's correct, I think I saw that on one of the Doom9 threads. But in the OP's first post, it's stated that the first backup attempt was to BD-25. AFAIK, the PS-3 will play full backups on BD-R. :?: | ||||
| jman98 posted 2009 Sep 17 06:26 | ||||
You are right. I focused on the OP's 2nd post which talked about making BD-5 and overlooked that first one. Again, I have no way to test but I think full backups to BD media are supposed to work on the PS3. You might check the forums at Doom9 (http://www.doom9.net) as fritzi93 suggests to see if they have any helpful info. | ||||
| fritzi93 posted 2009 Sep 17 06:48 | ||||
| I'm a little puzzled that the BD-5 full disc actually loaded and played the preview before it crapped out, whereas the BD-25 didn't even load. :scratch: Is that correct?
How about a main movie backup to BD-5? That would be an inexpensive test. | ||||
| DGenerateKane posted 2009 Sep 17 15:29 | ||||
| Yeah I was a bit annoyed when it crapped out after the previews, it got my hopes up and then smashed them. :( I guess I'll try movie only to BD-25 first, then I'll try movie only on BD-5. And yes I did change the setting on AVCHD patcher.
Edit: I just patched the index file and the message was not as expected, instead of "patch ok" it said "the file was patched" and it didn't patch the movieobject file. Gonna burn it anyway. Edit 2: It worked. I'm going to try full disc one more time in case the problem was a bug in BDRE, I updated it before doing this latest one. | ||||
| fritzi93 posted 2009 Sep 17 21:02 | ||||
| Good deal. Seems that BDRB had trouble with the menus on that disc.
No doubt a version of BDRB will in the not-too-distant future be able to do it, jdobbs has created a very good program. It is beta, after all, though he has made steady progress in improving it. Here's hoping your go with the latest version is successful. :wink: | ||||
| DGenerateKane posted 2009 Sep 17 22:58 | ||||
| Still didn't work. Going to get another Blu-ray today or tomorrow and try full disc again. | ||||
| fritzi93 posted 2009 Sep 18 07:40 | ||||
| My guess is the disc may have authoring errors or maybe it's just very complex. [shrugs]
As an aside, has anyone out there successfully done a disc with "seamless branching" (i.e. alternate versions of main movie) with BDRB? Like for example the disc from the newest Blade Runner box set with *three* versions on one disc? | ||||
| mrswla posted 2009 Sep 18 16:15 | ||||
| Is LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT a seamless branching disc? It has both unrated and theatrical versions on the same disc. If so, then yes I have successfully backed up using bdrb.
Is there a place that has a list of seamless brancing discs? | ||||
| fritzi93 posted 2009 Sep 18 19:33 | ||||
Dunno. Got a couple Blu-Ray review sites bookmarked and can't recall it ever being mentioned whether a disc is or not. Only occasionally is it stated that a disc contains alternate versions, which obviously are seamless branched discs. (Like Blade Runner and, I presume, Last House on the Left). | ||||
| DGenerateKane posted 2009 Sep 20 04:53 | ||||
| Well I just tried to backup Knowing with similar results. Thought it might be the option I chose for encoding which was High Speed Option (BD-25) so the second time I left it on default. This time the PS3 recognized the volume label in the browser (every other time it was just labeled BDMV) and after launching it displayed a loading bar then went the same old error message. This is frustrating. | ||||
| fritzi93 posted 2009 Sep 20 06:19 | ||||
| Wow, no wonder you're frustrated.
I once again slogged through this thread at Doom9: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=144674 Note that it's mainly about BDRB compatibility on BD5/9, as supposedly just about any player "should" play a full disc BDRB backup on BD-R. But maybe you can find a hint or two there. A quick search shows that "Knowing" is a June 2009 release. It has BD-Live, which means BD-J menus (java), and it appears to be complex with a good deal of extras. Also three previews in front during which the top menu command is disabled, forcing one to skip them individually. (Why do the bastards do that? Grr.) In the thread linked above, it's hinted that complex BD-J menus can be problematic, and several Sony players are listed, although not the PS3. Since you were successful with a movie-only backup, BDRB is evidently working on your computer. So there's still the possibility that the problem is in the menus. If so, you seem to be really unlucky, picking two problematic discs in a row. But the other possibles I can think of seem even less likely (AnyDVD settings, BD-R media, installs of Avisynth/Haali/ffdshow). Anyone out there backed up "Knowing"? Sorry I can't do any better than that. :scratch: :( | ||||
| mrswla posted 2009 Sep 20 09:08 | ||||
I have backed up THE KNOWING with bdrb in full copy mode. i don't use milotis' guide. i don't use anydvd in iso mode. i use anydvd in copy mode, where it copies all folders onto my harddrive. then i use bdrb to "shrink" down to bd-25 size. then i use imgburn to burn folders to a blank bd-25 disc. i don't use the patcher program either. I have successfully backed up over 85 blu ray discs. Hope this helps. :) | ||||
| DGenerateKane posted 2009 Sep 20 15:19 | ||||
| What settings do you have enabled in AnyDVD? I have Enable Blu-ray Support (obviously) Prohibit User Operations, Disable BD-Live, PowerDVD "virtual drive detected" workaround and Remove Blu-ray Region Code. I'm going to rip it again without the last two options this time to see if that makes a difference. | ||||
| fritzi93 posted 2009 Sep 20 20:44 | ||||
Well that kills my menu hypothesis. :P But it also suggests the OP may have a problem with the virtual drive. I've read here and there about some people having a problem with Daemon Tools, and the usual suggestion is to use SlySoft's virtual drive instead. But never read an explanation of why the problem occurs. By all means, try it as mrswla suggests and post back. :wink: [EDIT] BTW, I rip to image and use Daemon Tools, always works for me. | ||||
| DGenerateKane posted 2009 Sep 20 21:40 | ||||
| Well I'm going to skip Daemon Tools by ripping to files instead of ISO. That might be the problem, I'm running windows 7 with the latest free version of Daemon Tools and the latest fully windows 7 compatible SPTD driver. I'm also leaving all the options besides Enable Blu-ray support unchecked in AnyDVD. | ||||
| mrswla posted 2009 Sep 21 07:18 | ||||
| I also am using win 7. The only checked box in anydvd is "Enable Blu-ray support", all others are unchecked including "Remove Blu-Ray Region Code". Here is a screenshot of settings in anydvd and bdrb:
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| Bonosk posted 2009 Sep 21 07:28 | ||||
| Did you burn your BD-R with UDF 2.50 or 2.60? It is very important for PS3. for ex. in NERO you can set up UDF (not automatic, but manual)to 2.50 or 2.60. Try to do it with BD-RE first. | ||||
| siratfus posted 2009 Sep 21 11:25 | ||||
| Hey guys, this seems to be the right place to post my problem. My last 2 back-up using Milotis pdf guide did not work either. However, unlike some of you, I don't get any error messages in the PS3. I just get a black screen. Any thoughts? | ||||
| DGenerateKane posted 2009 Sep 21 17:50 | ||||
| That is the settings I used this time, and it worked finally! Must be one of those options I had enabled causing me all this grief. I also wasted nearly a dozen BD-R's because my verbatim BD-RE was never detected in the ps3 for some reason. :/ Thanks for all the help! | ||||
| fritzi93 posted 2009 Sep 21 18:09 | ||||
| I don't suppose you could do just one more *with* all options enabled?
That would enable us to be certain what exactly caused the problem: i.e. AnyDVD settings or DaemonTools. Two factors were changed for this try, so it's not entirely clear. Anyway, thanks to mrswla for the solution. 8) | ||||
| mrswla posted 2009 Sep 21 22:34 | ||||
Sure thing. Glad to be of help. :) One more thing to keep in mind. When burning with imgburn make sure that you exit anydvd. It (anydvd) could cause burning problems. | ||||
| mrswla posted 2009 Sep 21 22:35 | ||||
I'll try one with all options in anydvd turned on, but I'm not willing to install Daemon tools to test that out. I'll report back with my findings. | ||||
| DGenerateKane posted 2009 Sep 23 16:00 | ||||
| I tried it with all except remove annoying adverts and trailers on Pearl Harbor and it failed again. I'm out of BD-R's right now so I can't try it again with them off until my package arrives. | ||||
| fritzi93 posted 2009 Sep 23 17:47 | ||||
| Did a little digging on the SlySoft AnyDVDHD forums and evidently the disc "Knowing" has a protection called "MKB 14". That is, Master Key Block, version 14. Further search yielded little more beyond the implication by the SlySoft team that MKB 14 is rather less difficult for them to deal with than BD+. Mostly because it's a distant second to BD+, having only a half-dozen clients, the largest of which is Lionsgate. There are a few posts from people who had trouble with the disc until updating AnyDVDHD. For what it's worth, if anything...
Well at any rate, it seems it's safest to do it as mrswla suggests, File Mode, all options *off* except enable blu-ray support. | ||||
| DGenerateKane posted 2009 Sep 23 18:02 | ||||
| No I tried Pearl Harbor. | ||||
| fritzi93 posted 2009 Sep 23 18:11 | ||||
Heh, missed that. :oops: Fixed it. So, does that test exonerate DaemonTools or what? Also, to repeat, the release date of Pearl Harbor means it's not BD+ protected. | ||||
| mrswla posted 2009 Sep 24 07:40 | ||||
| Ok, here are my results for Pearl Harbor (as fritzi93 said, no BD+ protection):
1. My original way of back up worked great. see previous posts. 2. Selecting all settings in anydvd didn't work so great. anydvd copied to hd, bdrb successfully completed, and imgburn successfully burnt the disc. But...(there's always a but) the PS3 reported back with this error, "This is an invalid disc (80029906). 
So, to me it seems that the only thing in anydvd that should be checked is "Enable Blu-ray support" | ||||
| ocgw posted 2009 Sep 24 10:00 | ||||
| I have backed up Pearl harbor, and Knowing w/ "default settings"
ocgw peace | ||||
| mrswla posted 2009 Sep 24 15:28 | ||||
That's the way to keep it, too. I have never had a problem backing up any blu-ray until I said I would do a test for the op. | ||||
| Acer-- posted 2009 Oct 06 17:09 | ||||
| Been searching the net for a few days and this is the most recent (and informative) info Ive found on Burning BD. so many others are years old, hard to spend so much money based those thoughts at that time being so old.
I like what Ive read here, and has already helped me a ton. but does anyone have any further info on these burns, like the types of discs to use, etc. Ive read so many opinions that id hate to spend all this money for so many failed discs (although i know a fail or error is inevitable.) Ive read that BD25 work best for PS3 and that BD50 work best. Ive read that full copies work best, and that only the movie copies work best. Ive read that BD dual layer is the way to go, but thats just essentially BD50 correct? so many confusing posts circling the web, and with software changing so rapidly, it doesn't help that google sends me to posts 2-3 yrs old most the time. just gathering as much info as i can before i go drop the cash on this hardware. being so confused i thought i might have to wait another year before pursuing this. but this post reassured me that its doable. Thanks for any further info. -Cheers | ||||
| fritzi93 posted 2009 Oct 06 18:56 | ||||
| @ACER-- Welcome to the forum.
The present time is very like the early days of DVD. Not a whole lot of (reliable) data out there yet. That said, here's a few observations (call them guesses if you want): :P Verbatim is probably a good bet for reliable BD media. They make first class DVDRs, and have always resisted the temptation to source cheap crap media. Many other brands you can't really know what you're getting until you read the manufacturer i.d. (M.I.D.) with ImgBurn, for example. Then look it up at, for instance, nomorecoasters (DVDRs). But there's no extensive database for BDRs yet. Dual-layer media? Well, it's more difficult to make than single layer, which I don't think anyone will dispute. Again, the parallel with DVD media may be instructive. For DVD+R-DL, the *only* reliable brand is, again, Verbatim. And its reliability is not on a par with their single-layer media. So I would guess BD25s would be a better bet, but it's a guess. [shrugs] Full disc or movie only? Well, if you have AnyDVDHD, there's actually no *ripping* involved and you can simply copy and paste if you want. It's easy to identify the main movie m2ts with for example MPCHC. You can extract main movie by choosing the associated (same number) *.mpls in tsMuxer and always get the main movie video, audio, subs, then mux to Blu-Ray structure. And often that will fit on a BD25 with no further processing. Just to give an example. Should work in any player out there which will play BDRs. Full disc can be problematic, OTOH. The BDRB thread at Doom9 has some discussion on that. Intentionally complex and elaborate Java menus can be a problem if you need to re-encode the disc to fit a BD25. As to burning, always use ImgBurn. Others will have their own opinions. :wink: mrswla and several others here have experience specifically with BDRs on the PS3. | ||||
| RSigel posted 2009 Oct 29 16:49 | ||||
| Yeah, i burn 10 BDRs (3 of 25GB and 7 of 50GB) with success using AnyDVD HD and ImgBurn, playing on PS3 |
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