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| Any Pioneer burners do bitsetting? | ||||||
| kenmo posted 2008 May 25 08:02 | ||||||
| My LG GSA-4167B has bit the dust. It burns fine but I get constant read errors when ripping any DVDs, even ones I've burnt myself on other burners YET these same media will rip fine on one of my other 3 burners....
I'm looking to replace my LG with a Pioneer unit however I've noticed no Pioneer units support bitsetting, am I correct? Bitsetting is a requirement for me as a few of my set top DVD players will not play +R media unless I burn them with the bitsetting feature... Thanks kindly PS: DVDs burnt on the GSA-4167B rip fine on other burners | ||||||
| redwudz posted 2008 May 25 08:50 | ||||||
I saw this at the CD Freaks site for Pioneer 115 and 215 burners:
But the Samsung SH-S203B does. That's a SATA version, but I assme the PATA version does also. | ||||||
| hech54 posted 2008 May 25 08:52 | ||||||
Mine is finally showing signs of old age too....my condolences to you and yours. :lol: Bitsetting is important to me for different reasons but seriously....you should consider just switching to Taiyo Yuden -R's and be done with it. It is easy for me to say because I no longer "require" +R media for anything anymore.....not even my old "one step from the garbage" +R Only DVD Recorder. Pioneer burner - with genuine TY media?.....I'd image that is virtually impossible to beat. | ||||||
| kenmo posted 2008 May 25 08:59 | ||||||
| Only problem is TY media is very hard to find locally... However Verbatim -R / +R are always on sale.... | ||||||
| aedipuss posted 2008 May 25 10:34 | ||||||
| bitsetting is available on the 115 and 215 for dvd-r if you use mediacodespeededit on the firmware and enable the option. then flash the drive with the tweaked firmware. works geat on my 115. | ||||||
| bevills1 posted 2008 May 25 11:02 | ||||||
| Quite the opposite of hech54 I no longer "require" -R media for anything. I have an older Toshiba DVD player that plays only -R unless +R are set to DVD-ROM book type. In addition that Toshiba player will play no LiteOn LVW-5005 recorded media including even -R recordings with one exception which is DVD-ROM discs. It may be the OP has a similar situation and needs to make DVD-ROM recordings. Nearly 2 years ago I got a Pioneer 111D that I cross flashed to 111L to gain bit setting, and I've been extremely pleased with its performance. Today I'd follow aedipuss' recommendation and get a Pioneer 115 if I needed another burner. | ||||||
| budz posted 2008 May 25 12:33 | ||||||
| FYI if you flash the PIONEER 115 or 215 drive by using the MEDIA CODE SPEED EDIT and hacked firmware the original warranty by PIONEER will be void. Although I've never had a problem in using hacked firmware & MCSE with my PIONEER 111, 112 & 212 models.
If you are not comfortable with flashing the PIONEER 115/215 (SATA) then buy a SAMSUNG SATA S203B as redwudz suggested or buy another LG (PATA) burner 22x spd GH22NP20. You can bitset DVD+R media by using IMGBURN. LG 22x spd GH22NP20, $29.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136144 If you're considering a SATA DVD BURNER that's another issue as there are compatibility issues depending what type of motherboard chipset controllers one could have. INTEL ICH7/8/9 chipset controllers will work fine with SATA DVD BURNERS and NVIDIA chipset controllers will need to use the latest drivers. VIA chipset controllers will not work so one would need to use a SATA PCI CONTROLLER CARD for the SATA DVD BURNER to work correctly. The SATA PCI CONTROLLER CARD must have the SILICON IMAGE 3112/3114/3512 chipset. Also JMICRON chipsets will also not work with SATA DVD BURNERS. I've read some newer motherboards with JMICRON chipsets will work but I can't remember what brand/manufacturer motherboard it was. | ||||||
| aedipuss posted 2008 May 25 12:45 | ||||||
| the warranty isn't void, just bent - you can re-flash with the original firmware anytime you want with the hacked flasher that doesn't check versions. besides, you don't really think they even check the drive when you send it back do you? it's $25 commodity item, that just gets tossed in the bin. | ||||||
| budz posted 2008 May 25 14:19 | ||||||
A few years ago PIONEER would check the drives if you turned your drive in for a replacement. :roll: Gimme a break you think they'll just toss the drives in a bin. I had my 212 sent back because of their flawed hardware which was a worldwide recall and they didn't send me a new drive they replaced the defective part in the drive. Just because YOU are able to reflash a dvd burner back to the original firmware don't be so sure others can do the same. I always give the warning to others who want to flash with hacked firmware. :P When you use MCSE...ala42 has on his website the following:
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| kenmo posted 2008 May 25 21:25 | ||||||
| I have an older Pioneer burner 105 that still works as good as the day as it was new... However I'm not interested in any burner that does not support bitsetting out of the box...
I just purchased a LG GSA-E60L (external USB) which does support bitsetting... | ||||||
| FulciLives posted 2008 May 25 22:04 | ||||||
Best advice I've read. F' off to DVD+R media. Well the one "Plus" about DVD+R media are the Dual Layer discs but the Pioneer will do auto bitsetting on those ... just not to regular single layer DVD+R discs ... which I see absolutely no use for what-so-ever. Not to mention Taiyo Yuden DVD-R discs are cheaper than Taiyo Yuden DVD+R discs. As for the mention of Verbatim ... too many recent reports of them being flaky ... stick with TY ... sure you have to mail order but they are dirt cheap. Only $25.99 + shipping for a 100 pack of 8x TY DVD-R discs at RIMA.COM and don't start in with 8x speed being "too slow" ... because it ain't :) - John "FulciLives" Coleman | ||||||
| hech54 posted 2008 May 26 00:10 | ||||||
| I have NOTHING against +R media. I have had zero compatibility issues with them at all....bitset or not. I used them because my DVD recorder was +R only so I used them for burning too with no problem.
I was considering trying Taiyo Yuden +R discs....but by recorder is on it's last legs, I now own a capture/tuner card.....and I no longer "need" to keep both +R and -R "on hand". | ||||||
| aedipuss posted 2008 May 26 00:23 | ||||||
| budz - you must be one of the lucky few to get a repaired drive, everyone else with the cd burning problem got new ones that i heard of. :-)
couldn't get a tech to open and fix a drive for less than $25 anywhere unless it went back to china. wouldn't trust it then if it did. | ||||||
| kenmo posted 2008 May 26 04:37 | ||||||
Just curious...whats wrong with +R media? | ||||||
| hech54 posted 2008 May 26 07:52 | ||||||
Nothing. There are some who still cling to a time when DVD players where extremely picky and never made for ANY kind of recordable disc-shaped objects....like older Sony machines that didn't even play CD recordables. | ||||||
| bevills1 posted 2008 May 26 09:51 | ||||||
| Personally I'd rather cross flash a drive and have auto bit setting instead of having to do it through software. I've cross flashed 3 different drives and flashed several other drives with modified firmware and never had a problem with any of them. This is completely unsurprising since it's simply another firmware flash, and most will update official firmware anyway.
I use +R media because my needs require it, and I'd use -R media if my needs required it. There's no significant advantage of one over the other except that the +R Yudens are more costly than -R Yudens, and I find +R Verbatim and Sony to burn with very good results at even lower cost than the much touted -R Yudens. | ||||||
| FulciLives posted 2008 May 26 11:43 | ||||||
I've said it before and I'll say it again ... the DVD+R format is the "bastard child" of a greedy company that didn't want to "play ball" with the official DVD forum. It is that simple. Do we all have such short memories ??? OK time for a "bitter" format war :P - John "FulciLives" Coleman | ||||||
| MJPollard posted 2008 May 26 12:08 | ||||||
Please, no. :) I'm mostly format-agnostic, myself. When it comes to record-once discs, I stick with -R because it's proven itself to me over the years (though I have no objection to using +R). When it comes to rewritables, however, it's +RW all the way. They're less hassle, especially in my console DVD recorder, and they burn faster than -RW. | ||||||
| MOVIEGEEK posted 2008 May 26 12:22 | ||||||
I'll fire the first salvo for +R. :lol: http://www.cdfreaks.com/reviews/Why-DVDRW-is-superior-to-DVD-RW I use +R exclusively and I wish all writers bitset +R to DVD-ROM automatically.In the old days there was a saying "if you use -R get a Pioneer,if you use +R get a BenQ". | ||||||
| hech54 posted 2008 May 26 12:34 | ||||||
Nope...I remember full well not buying into that "bastard child greedy company" stuff all those years ago....and I also remember using both +R and -R with equal reliability from my very first DVD burner.....and I also remember my Philips DVDR985 +R only DVD Recorder that is sitting about 30 feet from me right now that still functions (though very slowly) to this day. HD-DVD is gone.....DVD+R is still here. | ||||||
| FulciLives posted 2008 May 26 12:42 | ||||||
What a cheap shot you bastard you !!! :P - John "FulciLives" Coleman P.S. The above was said with tongue firmly in cheek :D | ||||||
| jman98 posted 2008 May 26 17:55 | ||||||
Yes and some of us are grateful for that. I guess you don't remember the following "fun" things about DVD-R... 1) Remember the early days of the format when there were 2 different types of DVD-R discs? One was for authoring and the other was for something else. And if the poor consumer didn't know enough prior to buying to pick the right one, he was screwed. 2) The original capacity of DVD-R discs was roughly 4 GB, more than 10% less than the capacity of a single layer pressed DVD. 3) The existence of DVD+R DL discs spurred the DVD-R manufacturers to eventually figure out a way to create DVD-R DL discs. Would consumer burnable DL discs even exist in a DVD-R only world? Anyway, enough of that. I buy and use both DVD-R and DVD+R, but I only use DVD+RW and DVD+R DL discs. I'm not fond of the -R versions of those 2. And to the original poster, it's 2008. Maybe it's time you stopped worrying about bit setting anyway. It's only ancient DVD players that need bit setting on DVD+R discs. Unless you really and truly have a need for this, I wouldn't give it any consideration when looking for a DVD burner. | ||||||
| VegasBud posted 2008 May 26 19:18 | ||||||
Dvd-r for Authoring is still around...if you look hard enough. Put "verbatim 93966" (without the quotes) into google and you can find some inkjet printable disks. To burn them you'll need a pioneer dvr-s210 recorder. This page at meritline has a remanufactured one for $950.00, which is a great price...if they still stock them. Dvd-r for General is the other type, and is what we now commonly refer to as dvd-r. | ||||||
| aedipuss posted 2008 May 26 20:34 | ||||||
| is that the drive that can write to the css encryption sector with the "authoring" dvd-rs? | ||||||
| VegasBud posted 2008 May 27 00:31 | ||||||
Pioneer says no. Since they made the drive, you have to assume the answer is accurate. Even if it was possible to somehow hack the system to fully implement css ...what would be the incentive? The drive/media are very expensive, and css is worthless except as a tripwire for dmca action. It would be easier, more reliable, and cheaper (even in very small lots) just to have the disks replicated, complete with css. For informational purposes: Dvd-r for Authoring was designed to allow content providers to skip the "transfer to DLT" step (the last step prior to submission to the replicating facility) by implementing CMF and DDP. If it was an entirely successful experiment, it seems like pioneer would have released a newer version of the drive (with faster than 1x burning speed) by now. | ||||||
| bevills1 posted 2008 May 27 11:44 | ||||||
| Are there any burners that don't bit set? I can't think of any. Some require cross flash or flash with modified firmware, but all that I can think of can bit set either as purchased or by firmware flash. I'm very grateful this is the case. | ||||||
| [_chef_] posted 2008 May 27 13:56 | ||||||
DVD-R ... no. DVD+R...yes. | ||||||
| samijubal posted 2008 May 27 17:42 | ||||||
| I just got my Pioneer 115 today. I haven't burned a disc yet, soon. I did rip an 8+gig disc in 11 minutes. Pretty impressive, but, the disc was hot and when I pulled the burner right afterward, it was already hot too. Not good to get as hot as it was in 11 minutes.
I did the same disc in the 111 in 14:45. Slower, but, the disc was cool and the burner was too. | ||||||
| budz posted 2008 May 27 23:46 | ||||||
| the faster read speeds will cause the drive to heat up which is common knowledge. heck I burned 36 dvd discs in my PIONEER 212 drive the other day and the discs were warm. which is why a dvd burner's life span will depend on how frequently it's used. just my 2 cents! | ||||||
| samijubal posted 2008 May 28 10:36 | ||||||
| Yes, it only makes sense that the faster it reads the hotter it will get. But, to get the disc and burner how hot it was in only 11 minutes isn't good. Better not read many discs in a row. I don't think it's all the speed. The 115 got up to about 12.5x when reading, the 111 got to 10x+ and didn't even get warm. I think the 115 just runs hot.
It burned a disc in less than 5 minutes at full speed. I haven't watched it yet to see how it plays. The Verbatim 16x +R disc I did burned fine from beginning to end and had almost no errors when scanned on the same drive, which probably isn't reliable for scanning, but it's all I have besides the 111. The -R disc I did slowed to 4x once and to 0x once, I don't know what that was about. The scan wasn't anything like the +R disc, but, was pretty good. For some reason when burning -R discs it slows way down or goes to 0 in places on Verbatim 16x discs that look flawless when I inspect them, weird. | ||||||
| budz posted 2008 May 28 11:45 | ||||||
| as long as the VERBATIM DVD+R disc played back fine that's all that matters. make sure you're using a 80 wire ide cable with your 115 drive. | ||||||
| Seeker47 posted 2008 May 28 12:56 | ||||||
Then how would you explain a 108 with about 500,000 miles on it, and still going strong ? If I got that kind of money's worth out of everything I bought, I'd have zero consumer complaints and rarely upgrade anything ! | ||||||
| samijubal posted 2008 May 28 13:07 | ||||||
The +R disc was the one with only like 300+ total errors, which is very hard to believe. It's the -R ones that slow to 0x when burning that I don't know about. I've only played 1 20 minute episode from an 8x burn on the +R so far. | ||||||
| kenmo posted 2008 May 28 14:09 | ||||||
My Pioneer A05 works as good as the day it was new... I require bitsetting as any DVD+R I burn with booktyping set to DVD-ROM wll not play in 3 of my DVD players, including my Toshiba DVD-R recorder. A few people I share my DVD+Rs also have the same problem... | ||||||
| samijubal posted 2008 May 28 14:42 | ||||||
| I don't have any problem playing +Rs without bitsetting on my players. They won't play on my Toshiba recorder, I never use my recorders for playback anyway, so, no big deal. If I do discs for someone else, I always use -R discs and never had anyone have problems playing them. | ||||||
| MOVIEGEEK posted 2008 May 28 15:57 | ||||||
I own three Toshiba DVD players and they require DVD-ROM booktype,friends and family with Sony and Panasonic players require it also. Players with MediaTek chipsets(OPPO,Philips,etc) will play DVD+R. | ||||||
| budz posted 2008 May 29 00:32 | ||||||
Everyone's mileage may differ on their dvd burners. I still have my very first dvd burner a PLEXTOR 708A that still works. I only use it for dvd discs that are scratched. Now I'm 25 something dvd burners later and I still buy new drives to keep up with technology. Yuh, I'm a dvd burner whore! :lol: :lol: :lol: | ||||||
| [_chef_] posted 2008 May 29 04:05 | ||||||
| -resolved- | ||||||
| Cyberdave posted 2008 Jun 29 23:42 | ||||||
| I've been searching for info on why my new Pioneer DVR-215 will not read just about all my prior burned DVD+R media (using either BenQ or TSST (Samsung). This business of which company supports which format may have something to do with it like someone said earlier. The odd thing is that it will read and burn a new DVD+R disc. It just won't read my old ones!
This is an interesting article: http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/DVDMediaFormats/ It says that DVD-R is the most compatible format (regardless of what the article that guy wrote about DVD+R being a better format). I think I may have to switch to DVD-R. . . | ||||||
| budz posted 2008 Jun 29 23:48 | ||||||
| Welps it really depends on what brand of dvd media you used and what the media id's are. If you were using cheap crappy MEMOREX, TDK, etc. then that's your problem. Cheap dvd media will result in failed readings of the disc at a later time. If you had used VERBATIM & TAIYO YUDEN and got those failed readings then my suggestion would be to try reading them in another dvd burner. What brand are those DVD+R? BTW IMHO DVD-R is no different than DVD+R, one is not better than the other. | ||||||
| samijubal posted 2008 Jun 30 00:31 | ||||||
| From what I've seen, DVD-R is more compatible. I've got 3 recorders that won't play DVD+R discs. I've never seen anything that won't play DVD-R discs. I don't bitset whatever that is. | ||||||
| bevills1 posted 2008 Jun 30 08:20 | ||||||
| It may be the burn quality of previously burned +R isn't as good as the newer Pioneer +R burns. | ||||||
| budz posted 2008 Jun 30 13:00 | ||||||
Difficult to really know since Cyberdave has yet to answer the question of what brand of media he used. I had many flavors of PIONEER burners with no problems in reading DVD+R media in other drives. I am a dvd burner whore with many brands/models! :lol: | ||||||
| Cyberdave posted 2008 Jul 03 00:04 | ||||||
No I didn't because I didn't want to hijack the topic of this forum by delving into my drive's particular issues etc. But since your enquiring mind wants to know: Verbatim - MCC 004 HP - CMC MAG 01 Fujifilm - PRODISC R05 These were burned in either a BenQ 1620/1655 or a TSST laptop drive. All my prior burned discs read just fine in those burners and my standalone Philips DVD player. I had only been using +R media. As a test I recently bought some -R media - Sony brand SONY16D1. I burned some test discs in the TSST and put them in the Pioneer and it read them just fine. So the TSST drive that writes the same +R discs that won't be read in the Pioneer, are being read when they are -R. And all good media. By the way I am only talking about my prior burned discs - tests on various websites show that the Pioneer burns blank +R media just fine. If one believes in conspiracies I don't find it hard to believe considering that Pioneer is in the -R camp that they don't fully support all +R media. Unless you believe everything you read. :D I've read extensively now on the difference between the +/- media. There IS a difference, it's just that for all average useability intents and purposes, there is no difference, or rather there shouldn't be. I could spend hours doing a lot more tests etc etc but since I don't have that kind of time and I think I can extrapolate based on the tests I have done on what the problem is. I would really rather just find an answer or get another burner that will read them! I could also take the drive back and see if the store will exchange it and then see what happens. . . | ||||||
| budz posted 2008 Jul 03 01:12 | ||||||
| HP - CMC MAG 01
Fujifilm - PRODISC R05 Equals crap dvd media which is why you had read problems in your new drive. | ||||||
| Cyberdave posted 2008 Jul 04 01:56 | ||||||
| And that's it?! That's the answer from the burner whore?! What about the MCC 004? How do you explain that?
I went back in my archives and pulled out +R media TDK - CMC MAG 01 and Verbatim MCC 003 and put them in the drive. Those were all booktyped as DVD-ROM and the Pioneer read them just fine. This has nothing to do with crap media. In fact from my research those brands you call crap are not crap, just not excellent. I had run Nero disc quality scans on the TDK and the Verbatim and they differed by 1 percentage point. This has to do as I suspected with the Pioneer's quirks on reading DVD+R type discs that it itself did not write. That's all. End of story. Personally I would rather have a burner that writes great and reads anything in spite of minor variations in quality or errors instead of someting that writes great but is too finicky to read anything but a certain subset of discs. | ||||||
| budz posted 2008 Jul 04 02:48 | ||||||
| :lol: :lol: lmfao! CMC is crappy media period.....FYI even if you used VERBATIM dvd media with your BENQ drives it would depend on what firmware you used as well as if you ever use QSUITE? QSUITE is a tool that was developed by BENQ to use with different brands of dvd media depending on what media id's were used. Do some research before you mouth off! :P | ||||||
| Cyberdave posted 2008 Jul 04 13:20 | ||||||
| budz I'm glad you're enjoying this discussion as much as I am. Certainly as educational as it is entertaining. Edutainment! :shock:
At any rate I would hope in these types of discussion people would keep an open mind about various things. The media brand is only one factor among many to consider in this case. While not completely scientific, I believe in my particular circumstances I have ruled out the media quality per ce as a factor. Assuming one is using Tier 1 or 2 media, I believe there are circumstances where the media brand is a red herring. I'm not sure you're getting the bigger point here. Which is that while people believe that bitsetting is important for compatibility with older dvd players, I believe in fact that it is critical for compatibility with MODERN burners!!! The conclusion I can reach after testing and research is the following. To ensure maximum COMPATIBILITY for readability among different burners and media type, I would recommend the following: Use -R media for burners that do not support bitsetting. When using +R media in a burner that supports bitsetting, ALWAYS set booktype to DVD-ROM!!! Simple as that. budz you're the guy with 25 burners. I have come to this conclusion with my current stable of 3. Why don't you or someone with as much interest and burners create a scientificaly laid out study and paper which picks out specific media types and burners, sets up a grid to test burning with +/- and bitsetting or not and experiment. So far you haven't really presented any actual evidence or tests to disprove my theory and results. By the way if there is anyone out there who has web pages which discuss these issues I would strongly encourage you to enter this information into the body of evidence for people who end up having readability issues, wonder which media type (+/-) to buy and use etc. AFAIAC if there is any entity to blame for this crap, it's not necessarily the manfacturers of the media and the quality, it's the companies/groups that create and set the standards and then market and sell the products to the public. The current state of DVD media and burners with no agreed upon standard is complete bullsh*t. Maybe with Bluray now the defacto standard for HD media, this will all be moot in about 5 to 10 years! | ||||||
| budz posted 2008 Jul 04 16:03 | ||||||
| :P I already know about bitsetting to DVD-ROM, I'm not a newbie to dvd burning. I base my facts on the many different dvd burners that I have used and the experience of using many different brands of media id. I told you about QSUITE which you obviously avoided answering. So I'm not gonna waste my time explaining or looking through the numerous pages of the BENQ forum to point you in the right direction. You know SEARCH is your friend!. If you actually went to the BENQ FORUM and look at the 1000's of scans you'll surely find your answer regarding your issue. I also told you it depends on what firmware you were using with your BENQ drives. Firmware will make a difference.
I have no reason to set up some sort of thread of what dvd media is good with what burner. That's already done at Cdfreaks.com with the ASUS/PIONEER, BENQ, LITEON/SONY, LG & SAMSUNG forums. You got your answers at the ASUS/PIONEER forums. If you wanna continue believing CMC is great media then so be it. To each's own. :) :P | ||||||
| Seeker47 posted 2008 Jul 06 14:27 | ||||||
It is doubtful you could ever convince him . . . or most others of similar opinion. This sort of discussion barely grazes the real point: I believe the passage of time will demonstrate conclusively that most of the blank media that has been sold and the masses have bought was mediocre at best, and total crap at worst. Soon enough -- maybe already (?) -- you will start hearing a groundswell of moaning: "WTF ever happened to that ____ I burned last year ?!! " Because it's now unplayable, has serious problems, or just ain't there anymore. I'm already keeping a running tally of the things I burned 2 - 3 years ago, in my pre-TY or Verbatim usage days-- that I now have to salvage by ripping and re-burning it onto known-good media. (All of it was recorded using Pioneer burners with appropriate firmware, except for a few that might have been done with a Lite-On. I handle and store the discs with care.) Betcha that number of salvage jobs will only keep climbing. | ||||||
| Cyberdave posted 2008 Jul 06 23:02 | ||||||
| Guys actually I do appreciate the info on the quality and plan from now on to only use Verbatim or TY. I found all that on rima.com for example. Also this week Best Buy has a sale on Verbatim. I went digital with my still and video camera last year and want to make sure my backups last a long time. I noticed Verbatim has a gold archive media also. | ||||||
| FulciLives posted 2008 Jul 06 23:15 | ||||||
| I prefer Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD-R discs. About as good as good can be. Some say the Taiyo Yuden 16x DVD+R discs are very good however I don't care to use +R media ... call me biased from the early days of DVD Video disc burning (when DVD+R was a pain-in-the-ass in terms of compatibility and one could argue is less than "moral" in even existing).
Don't want to start a flame war on media. I've used Verbatim 16x DVD-R discs before (the same thing sold at BEST BUY for dirt cheap) and I've never had a problem BUT there have been some reports lately that all is not well in the land of Verbatim. Best to just stick with Taiyo Yuden. Those Japanese have a "thing" about quality control. - John "FulciLives" Coleman | ||||||
| samijubal posted 2008 Jul 07 00:56 | ||||||
| The same thing has happened with TY lately too. Look at reviews at Supermediastore, some of them from people that have used them for a long time. I've never had trouble with either. | ||||||
| budz posted 2008 Jul 07 01:10 | ||||||
That's why you only buy TY from rima.com! :yeah: | ||||||
| FulciLives posted 2008 Jul 07 09:38 | ||||||
BINGO | ||||||
| samijubal posted 2008 Jul 07 13:55 | ||||||
| What difference does it make? They are the premium discs not the value discs. | ||||||
| budz posted 2008 Jul 07 17:50 | ||||||
Difference is in the past there were reports that some had bought from Supermediastore and the TY's weren't legit. I have never had any problems or issues when using TY media from rima.com. I have no use to use another online retailer who sells TY media at a lower cost. As the old saying goes, "You pay for what you get". :winky: | ||||||
| samijubal posted 2008 Jul 07 20:07 | ||||||
| I've never had problems with TY discs from anywhere, except the value discs. That doesn't mean other people haven't. Where are you seeing fake TYs from Supermediastore? I've never seen any such thing. | ||||||
| budz posted 2008 Jul 07 20:37 | ||||||
It was posted here a few years back and nope I'm not gonna search for those posts. To each's own when it comes to where you wanna buy TY media. :P :) | ||||||
| samijubal posted 2008 Jul 07 21:19 | ||||||
| I'm talking recent reviews. Maybe there were fakes a few years ago. The people that are having problems have been within the past year. Some of them say they have been using the discs for years. The reviews were enough to scare me off. I use Verbatim now. | ||||||
| budz posted 2008 Jul 07 21:39 | ||||||
| FYI VERBATIM's nowdays are flakey as well. Don't ever buy the 100 pack spindles of VERBATIM DVD-R because they are terrible. This is well documented at Cdfreaks.com. The 50 pack spindles are fine. I ran some quality disc scans on discs from that 100 pack and got scans of "0". Some of the discs played back fine but I had to end up dumping some that wouldn't play at all. | ||||||
| Midzuki posted 2008 Jul 07 21:41 | ||||||
Cyberdave wrote:
Anyway, never forget that the conspiracy-doers themselves are the first ones to try to make everybody believe that "conspiracies do not exist because conspiracies cannot exist". :wink2: :D | ||||||
| FulciLives posted 2008 Jul 07 22:33 | ||||||
I've never had any problems with the 8x DVD-R Taiyo Yuden discs I buy at RIMA.COM and I just bought a 100 pack a few weeks ago and so far I've gone through almost 1/3 without issues. - John "FulciLives" Coleman |
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